ahh rome. .. Common misconception. The emporer had the final word, and a thumbs down meant life. ahh rome Common misconception The emporer had the final word and a thumbs down meant life
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User avatar #1 - agrofenlas
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Common misconception. The emporer had the final word, and a thumbs down meant life.
#4 to #1 - stanone
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Where did you hear this? Thumbs up meant like and thumbs down meant down meant death, and often the crowd had the final say since the emperor didn't see all the games and they often agreed with the crowds on weather someone should live or die
User avatar #48 to #4 - Crusader
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No, no one knows for sure.

It's up for debate because the only reputable record was ambiguous as to what the signs were
User avatar #7 to #4 - theincorrigibleone
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This guy is correct. The movies popularized it the other way because they felt it made more sense to the viewers not familiar with the culture of the time.
User avatar #8 to #7 - theincorrigibleone
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By "this guy" i mean lucysback.
User avatar #49 to #7 - Crusader
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No, no one knows for sure.

It's up for debate because the only reputable record was ambiguous as to what the signs were
User avatar #68 to #1 - traelos
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Nobody said anything about a thumbs up.

If whoever was hosting the games liked your performance you lived, literally a "like" to save your life.

And if we're being pedantic like that it's worth noting that it was almost never the emperor who decided these things since he only really ever watched the games in Rome itself and they happened all over the empire.

So yeah.
User avatar #71 to #68 - agrofenlas
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The 'like' we have on things like facebook, are thumbs up.
Hence my comment.
User avatar #2 to #1 - commontroll
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This, though the crowd could sway the emperor's choice. If there was a fan favorite, he wouldn't have them killed.
#9 to #2 - kez
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Gladiators were rarely killed.

They cost a **** ton to train and feed and equip and buy.

If they win 50% their matches so die every 2 games on average, there is absolutely NO WAY they could afford to do it.

tl;dr Gladiators were rarely told to die. Movies just do it because its more interesting and entertaining to have characters die.
User avatar #37 to #9 - Mahazama
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Although if one of the gladiators was a massive pussy or fought super dishonorably he was usually ******.
User avatar #13 to #9 - commontroll
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I was going to mention that, but my computer decided to post the comment incomplete.
User avatar #11 to #9 - thechosentroll
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Plus, a gladiators' merchandise sold better while they were alive. I **** you knot, they had action figures.
User avatar #3 to #1 - grandlordchicken
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Thumbs up actually meant sodomize him.
User avatar #18 to #1 - jacobclabough
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Although the emperor had the final word he usually listened to the crowd
#27 to #1 - thevsamoviessecond
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And the times Rome didn't have an emperor? Like the hundreds of more years that they were run by a senate instead?
Also generally I'd imagine the emperor liked to go along with what his people like in order to appease the crowd.
User avatar #32 to #1 - akkere
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Actually, that's also a misconception. There's no certain way which direction of thumb meant life or death.
Part of the belief that the decision of the thumb, also known as Pollice Verso, originates from a poet named Juvenals who wrote,

"These men once were horn-blowers, who went the round of every provincial show,
and whose puffed-out cheeks were known in every village;
to-day they hold shows of their own, and win applause by slaying
whomsoever the mob with a turn of the thumb bids them slay;"

The bit where thumbs down leading to death originates from a painting by the same name of Pollice Verso as well.

But which thumb direction leads to which is still up for debate.
User avatar #54 to #32 - clittyrubquick
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Actually, that common misconception's misconception is a misconception.
User avatar #41 to #1 - cloooud
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Sometimes the crowd chose the fate. They could cheer or stay quiet, or boo. Sometimes the answer was biased to the emperor because of the crowd, and most of the time the crowd were the ones who chose.
sorry for bad english it's my third language
User avatar #46 to #1 - Crusader
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No, no one knows for sure.

It's up for debate because the only reputable record was ambiguous as to what the signs were
#100 to #1 - anon id: 1606d09c
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No one said "thumb" they said like.
Or are so stupid you can't even read?
User avatar #10 to #1 - explore
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Actually, if the emperor was there, thumbs up meant death and a thumb enclosed in a fist meant he lived, it was meant to symbolise a sword, sheathed he lived, unsheathed or drawn, he dies.
#16 - erpetrich
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as a guy from Rome, I can assure you that this is still true, but with more touristsc
as a guy from Rome, I can assure you that this is still true, but with more touristsc
User avatar #40 - enkmaster
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Fun Fact: The majority of professional gladiator fights, especially the big important ones, weren't fatal. After all, whats the point of spending a small fortune to train your fighters when they could very well die in their first show?
#75 to #40 - comradewinter
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Depends on the way you look at it. Emperor Caligula made a reform that made the weapons received more random, so a guy with a dagger could face a guy with a shield and a spear. Naturally, there was more blood shed, and the battles finished much quicker. In addition, it became more usual to pit slaves against trained gladiators, and we can only assume how that went. I'd say most of the fights were very fatal.
#76 to #40 - comradewinter
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Nevermind, I assume you meant gladiator against gladiator. Caligula still demanded more bloodshed, but the fatality of the combat was generally much lower. They lost a few limbs now and then nonetheless, and many died in treatment, though.
User avatar #79 to #40 - Loppytaffy
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And yet they'd kill thousands of imported animals? Rhinoceros, hippopotamuses, elephants, giraffes, aurochs, wisents, Barbary lions, panthers, leopards, bears, Caspian tigers, crocodiles and ostriches. Battles staged in sets with movable trees and buildings. On a huge scale; 11,000 animals and 10,000 gladiators over the course of 123 days. That's a loooooooot of death
User avatar #80 to #79 - rakuraimasuta
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Yeah but it was probably easier to just buy an animal than to train a gladiator. Especially if he is a good fighter.
#62 to #40 - tyraxio
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Gladiators were the "pro" wrestlers of their day.
User avatar #63 to #62 - enkmaster
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Pretty much.
#12 - mistafishy
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Grumio approves.
#15 to #12 - anon id: 95bda95b
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Ohh goodness. I know this guy. He was the chef in my old Latin workbook... you are awesome for this.
User avatar #26 to #12 - erpee
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Holy ****, I used that same workbook you glorious ************.
User avatar #36 to #12 - fazo
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Holy ****, LIke, Grumio Grumio? Like, The one from Latin textbooks?
#39 to #12 - cbrollinfire
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I can't believe i remember that guy
User avatar #84 to #12 - chaseford
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Grumio was the man. RIP, taken out by the mons iratus de flammae, Vesuvius.
User avatar #93 to #12 - undeadwill
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Grumio was one cool mother ******.

>Can cook
>Full beard
>10/10
User avatar #105 to #12 - mistafishy
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This is just ******* glorious.

I didn't realize this would be so duurrrgigglesyayGrumio!!!!

I bought a mug from Cafepress with grumio on it and gave it to my teacher today. He also approved.
#77 - ilovetexas
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**ilovetexas rolls 43**
#81 to #77 - buddhadom
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#87 to #81 - doubledisme
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**doubledisme rolls 88**
a third gladiator jumps in trying to save Ilovetexas
#89 to #87 - doubledisme
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out of sheer luck the Andabata (a gladiator with a helmet that had no eye slits)
saves the day
User avatar #90 to #89 - buddhadom
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God i don't have that one reaction pic of the roman guy going "Dud da fuk..." anyone has it?
User avatar #109 to #81 - ilovetexas
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actually thumbs down meant they were saving them.
#78 to #77 - ilovetexas
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#50 - killerblue
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I demand entertainment
#28 - aceboy
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AAAAAAaaaaaaannnnnnndd my wallpaper collection
#73 to #28 - dragonax
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My wallpaper
#85 to #73 - notstill
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your computer screen is the size of a cracker?
your computer screen is the size of a cracker?
#86 to #73 - yaybacon
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Mine
#91 to #28 - xtremedeath
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i half expected the text to be that whole "WTF did you say" thing. but still that is pretty cool
#92 - asasqw
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Funnyjunk, the only site where a thumb decides your fate
Funnyjunk, the only site where a thumb decides your fate
User avatar #103 to #92 - thetom
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is his wrist ok?
User avatar #88 - SteyrAUG
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Well, when the gladiator looked up to the emperor for approval, the thumbs up meant "Go ahead and kill him" and the thumbs down meant "Spare his worthless ass"

So yeah, likes didn't save anyone's life back then either.
User avatar #102 to #88 - reican
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there were no thumb down. thumb up meant " finish him" bit if he formed a knuckle. hiding the thumb that meant " spare him"
#20 - phantomi
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You are wrong...

A thumb enclosed in your fist, representing a sheathed sword...
also this was not seceded by the emperor but by the publicist who was currently throwing the match, remember gladiators were worth a lot of money (training, weapons etc...) so it was very rare for a gladiator to die in combat (at least the trained ones... there were others known as noxii who went straight to the arena to fight to the death.)

So remember children a Gladiator fight would hardly ever end in death but an untrained fight probably would.
User avatar #43 to #20 - Crusader
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No, no one knows for sure.

It's up for debate because the only reputable record was ambiguous as to what the signs were
#64 to #43 - tyraxio
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Are you actually pasting your own 2 line comment on different comments?
User avatar #65 to #64 - Crusader
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Yes.
Because the information is the same, but it would be a pain to sit here and do a list of all the people posting incorrect information in one of these spoiler icons
#67 to #65 - tyraxio
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Point taken, but maybe that means you should just leave it.
User avatar #69 to #67 - Crusader
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And let someone sit there are spread misinformation on the internet?
What do I look like?

I Wikipedia editor/mod?
#72 to #69 - tyraxio
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Good luck on your holy quest to delete all falsehoods on the internet, truth-Crusader
#70 to #65 - flyingchink
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maybe you should stop trying to ******** people
User avatar #83 to #70 - Crusader
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How am I ************ them?
#29 to #20 - icametocomment
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I know that guy's face from somewhere...
#58 to #29 - dogziller
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isn't that lord vetinari? yup it is mr google search!
User avatar #59 to #58 - icametocomment
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Vetinari...

Vetinari?

OH YEAH, Discworld Vetinari! I have yet to read his stories, but I love Terry Pratchett.
User avatar #60 to #59 - dogziller
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metoo. i recently wrote about Ankh Morprok government in my gov. class. regardless the teacher now has a reading assignment.
#61 to #60 - icametocomment
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Gotta love these crazy *************.
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