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Pick one, laptops were never really designed for gaming

I never said it was for gaming

I didn't realize
I would still go for desktop, you can upgrade parts 10x easier, also making one yourself is cheaper rather than buying one.

It's cool
How much cheaper would it be, on average?

No idea, but a desktop made with parts worth 600 dollars/euros etc would be sold for 1000+

thanks :)

Hello I need some help as well, I'm saving up for a desktop but only for gaming really do you know anything that could help, like what parts, any good sites or if I should get it custom built. Thanks :)

Tell me what your budget is and I can either direct you to something or pull something together with my PC building knowledge.

Around £600-£700

Ah, British. Okay, lets see...

case - www.amazon.co.uk/CiT-Vantage-Type-R-Gaming-Reader/dp/B0064LFTR8/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347886788&sr=1-2

motherboard - www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Motherboard-CrossFireX-Intelligent-Processors/dp/B007KZQE7Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347886843&sr=1-1

cpu - www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Sandybridge-i5-2500K-Quad-Core-Processor/dp/B004FA8NX2/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347886904&sr=1-1

memory - www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-1600MHz-Vengeance-Memory/dp/B004CRSM4I/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347886989&sr=1-1

gpu - www.amazon.co.uk/EVGA-GTX-560Ti-Graphics-Card/dp/B006FVIGTU/ref=sr_1_204?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887316&sr=1-204 (motherboard has 2 slots so you can SLI in the future)

cpu cooler - www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-120mm/dp/B0068OI7T8/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887414&sr=1-1 (have it myself - awesome performance for value)

and last but not least the DVD drive: www.amazon.co.uk/LG-GH24NS90-AUAA50B-SATA-Internal-Rewriter/dp/B007267YRC/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887517&sr=1-2

Price: $651 before tax, shipping will probably be free for most of those items. If it comes up too high, you could just drop the quad core i5 and go for the dual core i3 which is 92 pounds instead of 167 pounds. You can overclock to make up the difference. Overall the system is high end. Similar systems would cost the exact same but they wouldn't include the graphics card, they would use dedicated chips which won't run most games. As for the PSU, you can easily go for the 650 watt but if you plan to SLI for more performance in the future you should keep the one I recommended. Corsair PSUs rarely fail. All parts I recommended are compatible with each other.

Good luck!

And on second thought if you want dual cards you'll have to use AMD. I notice their similar card is significantly cheaper and occasionally outperforms the 560. www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-11179-09-20G-6870-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B004R7MTPQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347888256&sr=1-1

So get that instead if you plan on building.

Okay with the harddrive and that graphics card it comes to 642 pounds. I believe British value tax is 20%? So the tax would be around 129 pounds. Okay, well to make that work you need the i3 which is www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Sandybridge-Dual-Core-Processor-Warranty/dp/B004FA8NXM/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887648&sr=1-4

So the price before tax would be 567 and after would be 680 pounds. So thoughts together:

case - www.amazon.co.uk/CiT-Vantage-Type-R-Gaming-Reader/dp/B0064LFTR8/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347886788&sr=1-2

mobo - www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-Motherboard-CrossFireX-Intelligent-Processors/dp/B007KZQE7Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347886843&sr=1-1

cpu - www.amazon.co.uk/Intel-Sandybridge-Dual-Core-Processor-Warranty/dp/B004FA8NXM/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887648&sr=1-4

mem - www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-1600MHz-Vengeance-Memory/dp/B004CRSM4I/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347886989&sr=1-1

psu - www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMPSU-750TXV2UK-Enthusiast-Series-Performance/dp/B004O0P9VC/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887099&sr=1-1

gpu - www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-11179-09-20G-6870-GDDR5-Graphics/dp/B004R7MTPQ/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347888256&sr=1-1

cpu cooling - www.amazon.co.uk/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-120mm/dp/B0068OI7T8/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887414&sr=1-1

dvd drive - www.amazon.co.uk/LG-GH24NS90-AUAA50B-SATA-Internal-Rewriter/dp/B007267YRC/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347887517&sr=1-2

HDD - www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Caviar-Green-Internal/dp/B006GDVREI/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1347888012&sr=8-12

All of those items ship free thanks to super saver. Putting it together will be your challenge if you do go for it. Do it away from carpet in a static-free environment, to remove static from you just touch the metal of the case. Make sure you've got a good screwdrivers and light. Besides that if you second guess something just read the manuals. Putting it together is mostly common sense. Also, as I was imaging the process I forgot about the thermal paste which you need to put a bit on the cpu before you install the heatsink. 6 pounds... www.amazon.co.uk/Arctic-Silver-3-5g-Thermal-Paste/dp/B0002VFXFE/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1347889043&sr=1-1

Oh crap, forgot the hard drive. www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Caviar-Green-Internal/dp/B006GDVREI/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&qid=1347888012&sr=8-12

That is a good one. It appears I've hit your budget limit with that. Don't worry about the i5, the i3 is just fine. They overclock extremely well. xD

I mean I've never done anything like it before :P

Thank you so much! massive help I'm not to good at building them though any good guides on how to?

Sure! Although it's pretty basic. Open up your case, put in the power supply, screw it in, put all the wires to the side until you need them. Lower in your motherboard, put all the screws where you can, where matching holes on the back of the case are. At this point you can easily add the memory. You'll have 4 slots. 0:0:0:0, put the 2 slots of memory in the odd slots so it is 1:0:1:0. At this point you can throw in the hard drive and dvd drive in the side areas. Install fans where you can as well. Don't worry about power yet. Then put in the cpu. Don't force it in, just turn it around and place it on, should fall into place. At that point you add the artic silver, a dab, not too much. You can use a video for reference. You can now lower the hyper 212 heatsink onto it once you've applied some of the thermal paste. Screw it into place and then add the fan it comes with to whatever side supports it. Now since you got everything important in you would start with the power cables. Look at the motherboards manual to see a diagram of where things go. HD sound, led lights, fan connectors, hard drive, dvd drive and so forth. Once all that is done you can add the graphics card into the uppermost slot. For some motherboards it can be annoying but it's generally an easy part. Remove whatever guard it has and then plop it in, be sure to screw it on the side, also remove whatever metal blocks the exhaust and connector areas. Those require a bit of force. A butterknife works well. Make sure you power it with the connectors it requires or the GPU won't work to normal capacity, it will probably just function as a display device. Also make sure you got yourself an operating system so you aren't booting into nothing. You can easily pirate it instead of paying a fortune for an OS.

Thanks :)

Will do thanks again :)

A bit of warning though is that the hyper 212 can be a bit annoying to screw in, just go for each side a bit at a time. If you screw in one side too far then the other side diagonally won't be able to reach etc. So just like 3 turns, 3 turns, 3 turns until it's all the way in. Besides that the process is exactly how I explained. It's pretty easy to do yourself but if it's overwhelming I'm sure you can find a PC builder on craigslist to pay a bit to to have him do it, it will probably take around 2 hours of his time. That should eliminate any damage caused by human error. Also note that everything electrical has some small chance of being dead on arrival (not functioning), Just file an RMA ticket or send the component back to Amazon (probably quicker). And remember Google and YouTube are your friends! There are probably a hundred relevant guides.