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User avatar #2 - cupcakescankill
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This is true in countries that aren't America.
#249 to #2 - flnonymousseven
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the **** ch'ou say 'bout murica?
User avatar #115 to #2 - guicosta
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America isn't a country, it's a continent sorry, it annoys me slightly, let the red sea come
User avatar #335 to #115 - Marker
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Actually it's two.
User avatar #323 to #115 - ruebezahl
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Yes, go ahead and call a Canadian an "American". Let's see how they react.
#200 to #115 - anon id: e4ef506d
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The word "continent" is vaguely defined and the names and numbers depend on your interpretation/culture.

In North America, 'America' is not a continent, but North and South America are two separate continents. Together they are 'The Americas', not 'America'.

Other ideas (such as your own) merge the two. Europe and Asia are also sometimes combined into Eurasia.

Watch this. What are Continents?
User avatar #221 to #200 - guicosta
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That's a cool video, but even then, North America is still Canada, USA and Mexico; even then calling the USA just America, or even North America, is still not correct. I know it's just a nickname, but sometimes bugs me a bit. I'm not going to call my country West-Europe, or just Europe.

PS: by the way, I only included 3 countries in North America because in my country we consider the middle as Central America.
#136 to #115 - anon id: 89557fc1
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Retard, that's the shortened version of The United States of America.
Next time we'll call it the United, or The States for specifically you.
#143 to #136 - anon id: cd9c601f
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Many people in Canada call it The States
User avatar #137 to #136 - guicosta
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Anon, you don't have to be pissed, it's not a matter of life or death.
#320 to #137 - anon id: ee54a066
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you stupid **** ofc. this is for life and death we are talking about hospitals dip ****
User avatar #395 to #320 - guicosta
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But the nickname of the USA isn't a matter of life or death, call it America, the States or 'Murica; it won't kill you either way. Again, no need to be pissed Anon.
#118 to #2 - icefall
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I mean, the US isn't the only country with private health care. Pretty sure most of the South American countries have it and many Asian countries as well.

Biggest problem with the US health care though, is that it is freaking expensive.
#127 to #118 - anon id: 60b01aaf
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Sadly, if it became privatized, the issues that make it so expensive would dissapear.
#134 to #127 - anon id: e86f7170
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it is privatized you twit
User avatar #359 to #134 - undeadwill
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He means that if deregulated.
#142 to #2 - anon id: 17351172
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When you pay taxes you're paying for it. And usually Socialized Medicine is incredibly inflated. It's worse in America because Keynesianism.
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#145 to #2 - envinite
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Except Indonesia and their free* health care   
   
 free* = only if your are 100% legit poor ****** and popular in receiving sympathy and good in begging sympathy out of TV show   
    
Oh hey, at least our politic isn't so bad
Except Indonesia and their free* health care

free* = only if your are 100% legit poor ****** and popular in receiving sympathy and good in begging sympathy out of TV show

Oh hey, at least our politic isn't so bad
User avatar #293 to #145 - indonesia
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sad, but truth
#167 to #145 - bann
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That's the US too
#349 to #2 - bocatadesesos
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USA*
USA*
User avatar #379 to #2 - lieutenantderp
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Actually people have to pay for ambulance in China.
User avatar #4 to #2 - Protagonistism
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Our taxes here in new zealand also pay for education and Medical treatment, not sure which countries besides America doesn't.
User avatar #24 to #4 - eddio
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Mine sort of. South Africa does have free healthcare but it's abysmal. The queues can last for (sometimes) days if you'e not a priority, and if you are, you're still going to be waiting a long time. A lot of crime also happens within the hospitals, mistreatment, harrasment, molestation, drugs, etc, etc.

We also have private hospitals that are far better quality, but also pretty expensive.
User avatar #52 to #24 - Protagonistism
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South Africa is pretty bad, just the public ones when comparing them to other countries, but still good. Clearly any private hospital in the word is better than public ones.
User avatar #60 to #4 - newsmyrna
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In America taxes do pay for education so... there is that.
User avatar #18 to #4 - jeengak
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I'm not trying to make China sound bad or anything, i'm Chinese myself, but around 15 years ago during my trip, a guy put his arm out the window while riding our tour bus and had it broken by an incoming car. The doctor wouldn't even look at him until he paid hard cash up front. Maybe it was just that one asshole doctor and i don't know how it works anymore, but yea, there's one country that made people pay for medical treatment at one point in time.
User avatar #59 to #18 - newsmyrna
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I live in China right now, and it is still like that they won't treat you if you can't pay.
User avatar #19 to #18 - Protagonistism
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Maybe because he thought this guy is a idiot and doesn't deserve treatment if he didn't learn his lesson about not been a total jackass.
User avatar #20 to #19 - jeengak
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Maybe...but he was bleeding everywhere and in a huge amount of pain and i'm not sure if the doctor knew how he broke his arm. however i do agree he deserves a back hand to the face afterwards for being a dumbass for sure.
User avatar #21 to #20 - Protagonistism
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I agree to what the doctor decided. Let natural selection do its work.
User avatar #35 to #21 - jeengak
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Really? So it is acceptable if someone comes into a hospital with a broken arm and doctors refuse to treat him BEFORE they know the cause? It could of been an ordinary accident, but according to your logic, if you break your arm you must be retarded and therefore totally deserve it. If you one day need medical attention, I hope the doctors treat you the same...
User avatar #49 to #35 - Protagonistism
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I support people getting medical treatment, but honestly your friend is a total *******. I honestly could not give a **** if someone fails to know the risks or ignores them.
User avatar #93 to #49 - tylermcall
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I think you need to stop and check your asshole meter. It's not like the guy pointed a gun at his stomach thinking he was getting free candy. He probably wasn't paying attention, which happens to everyone, and wanted to feel the free air during a bus ride. I hope you never have to deal with someone like yourself when you are caught in an unfortunate situation.
#168 to #49 - magicboudha
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Honestly you're a huge cunt. I'd even dare to say a Snookie sized cunt.
User avatar #353 to #49 - kinginyellow
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Ya because there's no such thing as the ******* OATH a doctor takes to not turn away a patient. Even if the guy is being an idiot, which all I see him doing was sticking his arm out, he's not trying to break his arm.
User avatar #166 to #2 - imnotkickthecat
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haha, who woulda guessed this exact comment would be posted.
User avatar #85 - leglesslegolegolas
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Why not just get a job? Most decent enough jobs have health insurance plans.
#191 to #85 - kanedam
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no job no healtcare?
User avatar #203 to #191 - leglesslegolegolas
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You can have insurance without a job, but the premiums are often like $400 a month.
#206 to #203 - kanedam
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well.... great! lol


sorry, i just cant understand the whole topic and the reason why americans (the citizens) so often argue against healthcare. its something completely normal in my country.
i just dont know enough details to really understand it.
what happens if you dont have a job and break your leg? who pays for that? i just know from the media... i remember episodes of roseanne where she couldnt get into the hospital while getting a child because she had no insurance for the hospital. or people getting debts for their whole life because of a sickness. if such things really happen then i dont understand why one would be against it...
User avatar #212 to #206 - leglesslegolegolas
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Because Americans would rather die than part with their hard-earned cash. It's ingrained in our minds that taxes are evil, a "scam" by the IRS that you're required to fall for. They don't realize that those taxes are used for public services, public areas, and keeping the government and economy afloat.
#213 to #212 - kanedam
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well, as a proverb goes where i live "a population always has the ruler it deserves..."
User avatar #255 to #206 - durkadurka
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Because you are responsible for yourself. We don't argue against healthcare. We have excellent healthcare. We argue against being forced to pay for someone else. A central bureaucracy is much less efficient at spending my money than I am. I'd rather have control over my money and where I'm putting it.
#328 to #255 - kanedam
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yeah right...
one of the big lies there is in the economy.

no private company has ever given such a good service to the people for the same price as a gov-owned company.
just look at veolia in france, post ag in germany, cases in uk and so on...

but well. nevermind, i slowly start to understand what it is all about.
"i dont want to pay taxes..." if you really think one is responsible for themself then you should also be against schools, (pay a private teacher!) and a lot of other things...
#367 to #328 - durkadurka
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>No private company has ever given such a good service to the people for the same price as a gov-owned company.    
WHAT?! Do you seriously believe that? You have it completely backwards. Central planners are NEVER as efficient as businesses. They simply can't be.   
Our government can't even ship packages better than the private sector. Businesses such as Fed-ex and UPS routinely outperform the post office despite being at the disadvantage. The post office hemorrhages money like an alcoholic with a gambling problem in Vegas, yet they struggle to compete with businesses that have to turn a profit. The federal government literally cannot do ANYTHING better than the people can, the military being the only exception. They used to do space travel the best with NASA, but even now they're resorting to paying private companies to do all of the work.    
The private sector routinely provides better services for less.   
I'm not too familiar with state run industry in Europe, but I imagine the only reason they could outperform private businesses is that those industries don't have to play by the same rules set for private businesses. This is usually how governments pull that off, and I'd bet something like that goes on.    
   
It has very little to do with not wanting to pay taxes, quit assuming things. It's insulting, quite frankly. Some of us would rather take responsibility and control over our own lives than suckle at the government teat like you.    
I simply do not want some politician in Washington telling me what kind of healthcare I need, as if they know better than I do.    
I don't have the space here to educate you on the role of government (ie, what things the government should run and should not), the existence of things such as private and charter schools, and the implications of freedom.    
But I'll leave with this, doing the same thing you tried to do to me:   
I think I get what you REALLY want. You're simply too lazy to go out and take care of your own life.
>No private company has ever given such a good service to the people for the same price as a gov-owned company.
WHAT?! Do you seriously believe that? You have it completely backwards. Central planners are NEVER as efficient as businesses. They simply can't be.
Our government can't even ship packages better than the private sector. Businesses such as Fed-ex and UPS routinely outperform the post office despite being at the disadvantage. The post office hemorrhages money like an alcoholic with a gambling problem in Vegas, yet they struggle to compete with businesses that have to turn a profit. The federal government literally cannot do ANYTHING better than the people can, the military being the only exception. They used to do space travel the best with NASA, but even now they're resorting to paying private companies to do all of the work.
The private sector routinely provides better services for less.
I'm not too familiar with state run industry in Europe, but I imagine the only reason they could outperform private businesses is that those industries don't have to play by the same rules set for private businesses. This is usually how governments pull that off, and I'd bet something like that goes on.

It has very little to do with not wanting to pay taxes, quit assuming things. It's insulting, quite frankly. Some of us would rather take responsibility and control over our own lives than suckle at the government teat like you.
I simply do not want some politician in Washington telling me what kind of healthcare I need, as if they know better than I do.
I don't have the space here to educate you on the role of government (ie, what things the government should run and should not), the existence of things such as private and charter schools, and the implications of freedom.
But I'll leave with this, doing the same thing you tried to do to me:
I think I get what you REALLY want. You're simply too lazy to go out and take care of your own life.
#374 to #367 - kanedam
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its not an assumption about not wanting to pay taxes. its the main reason i get when i ask why americans dont want health care. just read through this thread...

and also: just look at the history of the usa, economic wise. or look up the examples i told you. veolia, wiener linien, and so on... just compare the public transport in the usa or uk (wich is often done by private companies) compared to those done by gov or provinces.
dont forget how often private companies would go bankrupt and get ****** up if the state wouldnt jump in to help them. (just look at the last 5 years of american history to validate that).
compare the quality of drinking water in countries in wich the gov takes care of it to those where private companies do it.
compare the safety and quality of electricity networks in countries in wich the gov takes care of it to those where private companies do it.


also i am not really sure why you think i am too lazy to take care of my own life. its just some stupid argument without any real value to be honest. if you went through with it logically you would have to also say: no firefighters, no cops, no doctors, no schools, no teachers... hell. if you want some of that either pay them or take care of it on your own! its your stupid life! take care of your own house and property! you want a street? build it yourself!
seriously. humans live in societys and groups, and therefor everyone has to give away some of his freedoms for all to benefit. also, with every right you have there is a duty you earn too. and its not like you are a little island that takes complete care of itself without caring or needing anything from someone else.
#321 to #85 - lolollo
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Alright, I'm not even gonna try to get involved in the mess below given everyone's already more than made the point that getting a job is a little more complicated than what you've said.

One thing I will say is that you're being overly optimistic about places giving you healthcare. Yes, any place that'd give you a career will also give you healthcare, but those job typically aren't given to you until you've had both school, and prior job experience. That's fine, I'm assuming that isn't the concern for most people, though, the concern is for all of the new kids who are either fresh out of high school, college, or are about a year away from graduating either. I fit the demographic of the lot who are about a year out from graduating with a bachelors degree. I needed part time work, but it seems I finally got it last week, which was a hell of a lot harder than just the power of friendship, like you lot always say it is (just for the record). The second issue is the healthcare. Is this new fancy Obamacare package requiring employers to provide healthcare to employees working full time? You bet your sweet ass it is.

Well ****, problem solved, just work full time somewhere and your healthcare needs are compensat- wait...what's that? You cut my hours at work so you wouldn't have to provide my healthcare? But with less hours, I can't pay my rent. Oh right, I'm sorry, it is selfish of me to not see it from your perspective. I guess I'll just go home and eat the rest of my ramen before the month closes out and my landlord starts wondering where my rent checks went.

What's that? A second job? Oh well would you look at that, back to square one...maybe I can look to the internet for help.

"Your employer should help pay for your healthcare!"
User avatar #368 to #321 - durkadurka
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There really isn't even a point to employer provided health insurance anymore. It started during WWII to get around federal salary caps, but really doesn't have a point anymore. The only reason why employers still provide insurance is because the government views it favorably when taxing (ie, it's cheaper to pay you in healthcare benefits than it is to pay you more money).

You gotta figure that a business factors in health insurance into the cost of hiring someone. So in theory, an employer could pay a higher salary with no healthcare benefits and the worker could go buy a plan in the free market. Unfortunately that sort of thing isn't going to happen right now thanks to all of the other problems with insurance, particularly the cost factor.
User avatar #356 to #85 - joshlol
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why are all you miserable ******* complaining about no job? Why would you want to slave 9-5 for some fat CEO?

Just get into arbitrage betting, I'm not sure how good it is in the US but I turned £1k into £3k within a month in the UK doing this
#87 to #85 - Shiny
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Which brings us to...
#269 to #87 - jaketasticness
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A truly relevant reaction picture. Wonderful job.
A truly relevant reaction picture. Wonderful job.
#341 to #87 - moggycore
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That ******* pic, describes my situation so good. To contain the urge to murder everyone within a 2 mile radius when someone says "Why don't you just get a job?" is so, so hard.
User avatar #388 to #341 - leglesslegolegolas
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Get a job.
#389 to #388 - moggycore
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Prepare yourself for a world of pain, elf boy
User avatar #390 to #389 - leglesslegolegolas
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Look at all the ***** I give

In all seriousness, all I see are a bunch of idiots and kids that are either too young to be taken seriously in the job market, or refuse to face the fact that there are indeed jobs out there, but they would rather use the excuse that it is "impossible" to get a job so they don't have to try. Because nobody wants to work. Wanna know how I know? Because I was the same way until I became employed. There are jobs out there. Go find them, and quit blocking out the truth. It's not idealism, it's truth.
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#391 to #390 - moggycore
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Dude, you've judged me all wrong. I try my best to get a job because I hate not having anything to do, just sitting in my room all day long is a ******* nightmare for me. Everyday I check out the web for jobs, I apply to everything I can; I'd take a job cleaning toilets if someone offered me it. I'm 20 years old in march and I've had jobs before so I have experience, I have good grades and no criminal record. I've sent in my CV and applying jobs in places that haven't even said they're hiring, just in case they are going to in the near future.
So, a lot of us are actually trying to get jobs, we don't like walking around like some bum
User avatar #88 to #87 - leglesslegolegolas
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Apply to every place you find, and practice interviews
User avatar #92 to #88 - Shiny
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Still no job. For a lot of people. You cannot magically fix a very strong employer's market with sheer effort.
User avatar #95 to #92 - leglesslegolegolas
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You might not have any qualifications or experience.
User avatar #97 to #95 - Shiny
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And what do you need to get qualifications and experience? A job.
User avatar #204 to #97 - Crusader
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Volunteer work (Working at the salvation army or doing other volunteer work looks great on resumes)

Create your own small business (Be a mover if you have a car capable of moving stuff , put an ad on Kijiji saying you do it for cost of gas, plus $20 for lunch) it isn't much, but it's a stepping stone that looks good on resumes.

Embelish, I worked for a cement factory from June 27 to July 13, a week of which I was off for wisdom teeth. I still put down that I was there from June-July, making it look like 2 months instead of a week and a half. Another good trick, is if you do have experience at a job, put your start date as when you had your interview. If you got training, it's still experience. I worked in Insurance for "6 months" I had my interview in August, my contract was up in January, I didn't actually start working until October.

Also, put any work, if you did odd jobs consistently, put that down, that means if you shoveled driveways of snow put "General Labour, 2004-present, Seasonal" making it not only look like you have more experience than you do and making your resume look fuller.

Also, a lot of employers that use things like monster, indeed, etc. don't check your actual resume until the interview, and you can cover and holes in person.
User avatar #252 to #204 - hellsjester
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or .... here is a though or... we could just kill people for a living across seas to get experience. ohh **** guess what even being a ******* mercenary needs experience. i wander if samalia is hiring more pirates. maybe ones that can make large head plates for the rest of the crew and maybe just maybe i can afford my ******* healthcare......
also the resume crap is **** to begin with. they never read the **** until interview to test this i applied to a place i knew i had 0 qualification too. and wrote **** i did in video games. stuff like take down a major terrorist organization and put down pest controll above it in bold letters after basically describing mercenaries the game. i descibed in detail bank robbery from grand theft auto v and made the summary in bold money management skills. finally i wrote down in bold i knew foreign languages and was fluent. what i didn't tell them is it was piglatin and elvish from jrr tolken. sent it in and a real resume. guess which one i got a call for an interview for.
User avatar #205 to #204 - Shiny
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Sounds like I could just lie about half of this and get away with it easily.
User avatar #208 to #205 - Crusader
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Don't just straight up lie.

Don't say you worked for Wal-Mart, or something, because if they do check, you're screwed.

Embellish
User avatar #209 to #208 - Shiny
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Well, yeah, but **** like sparse manual labor? What're they gonna do, call every one of my neighbors?
User avatar #99 to #97 - leglesslegolegolas
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You could also look around for small companies looking to grow. My employer hires new people every so often because we keep growing in size and business.
User avatar #101 to #99 - Shiny
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This can be extremely hard to find anymore. My town, for example, is almost entirely filled with major business chains, all staffed by the friends and family of the owners, and the few local businesses aren't hiring.
User avatar #98 to #97 - leglesslegolegolas
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Volunteer work.
User avatar #100 to #98 - Shiny
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Yeah, that puts bread on the table.
User avatar #104 to #100 - leglesslegolegolas
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It does when you use it to get the experience needed for a job. If you're a college student you can also do internships. My point is, there are a million ways to get a job or make money, and as far as I'm concerned, any explanation for not having one as an adult is an excuse. If you really want a job, you'll really try to get one. Don't tell me there are no jobs out there.
User avatar #106 to #104 - Shiny
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Of course there are jobs...for people with a minimum of a bachelor's degree and several years' experience, or personal connections with the existing staff base.

Seriously, **** is getting worse by the year when just a few decades ago, employment was plentiful. If we keep having this "unemployed people are lazy" attitude, it will invariably hit the fan.
User avatar #108 to #106 - leglesslegolegolas
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I didn't even graduate high school, and yet I can pay for my own apartment with high speed internet, a modern smartphone with unlimited 4G LTE, good food, and still have money left over. If you look in the right places, education is unimportant. In my opinion unemployed people aren't trying hard enough. Not lazy, but not trying hard enough.
User avatar #111 to #108 - Shiny
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Then your opinion is silly and shortsighted. I know plenty of college graduates (no, not America's bastard definition of "liberal arts", before you jump that gun) that struggle like hell to even find part time work.

Each person's career experience is different, and opportunity is extremely variant between locations, even between cities.
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Getting a job is not that hard. Finding a career is. Quit justifying your laziness in looking for a ******* job and apply at applebees as a busser, dumbass. Hate people using the "you need experience to find a job" ********. Nah, you're just lazy as **** who applies once and calls it a day. I dropped out of highschool and have maintained side ****** retail/restaurant work to pay off my rent monthly. Please stop with your nonsense
User avatar #322 to #140 - lolollo
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And we can all see that your plan has left you nothing but good feelings, and emotional sustainance, right?
User avatar #171 to #140 - Shiny
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Mandatory passive aggressive [X] Post as anonymous reply that says nothing objective and reasoned?
User avatar #275 to #171 - Kulthozuer
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Boom! Wrecked.
User avatar #162 to #111 - Kulthozuer
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Also my sister has gotten like 20 different jobs in the past five years, she usually stops showing up to work and quits. If she can get a job I'm pretty sure anyone who is willing to try and give it a good effort can as well. I wouldn't say people who don't have a job are lazy but clearly they are not doing something right you can't just expect to get a job because you apply you need to be aggressive and passionate about what you do. Practicing job interviews isn't bad advice I don't understand who would thumb that down half the jobs I got were because I was ready for important questions during the interview.
User avatar #176 to #162 - leglesslegolegolas
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Who would thumb it down? Kids and lazy people that are mad because jobs aren't being handed to them.
User avatar #174 to #162 - Shiny
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This only reinforces my point. If getting a job is only a matter of effort, then why the **** are there lazy people who can get 20 of them?
User avatar #324 to #174 - lolollo
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Getting a job is an oxymoron. When you finally get that gold nugget, you look back on the whole experience and realize that THAT specific job was almost thrust in your lap. The place usually calls you within 12 hours of you sending the application, and hand you the contract when you walk in the door for your interview, or not even that, you had a friend wedge you in without any effort expended on your part.

What everyone forgets, however, is that for every 1 time that happens, there are 99 application that you've sent that get ignored, or 99 store visits that have ended in the manager telling you to beat it, or 99 interviews that have ended in clammy awkwardness. Everyone always conveniently forgets about all of that mess that goes on before you apply to that one place who sees your application, and then latches on to your dick.

Yes, you just "apply everywhere" to increase you're odds, but it's rediculous how tedious sending in a million applications is, and how much of an asshole your brain can be for constantly telling you "This is no guaruntee! You could do all of this work for nothing! You can work twice as hard at this as the next guy and still end up homeless!" throughout the whole thing.

If you want to help someone, don't be that asshole who regurgitates the same ****** advice, ACTIVELY help them. Trust me, you're not revealing some new peice of revolutionary philosophy by telling people some adive you can get just by googling "get a job." The stress from unemployment doesn't come from not knowing the steps to get a job, it comes from the steps already being employed and not working.

Telling someone to just apply to more places is like telling a homeless guy to just work a job to get money for a house.
User avatar #251 to #174 - durkadurka
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Because getting a job really isn't that difficult. Getting a good job is a different story.
Perhaps maybe what makes it so difficult for YOU is the "I can't" attitude you seem to carry around with you. Employers find that reeaaaaaaal attractive.
User avatar #157 to #111 - Kulthozuer
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Honestly anyone can get a job at Wal-mart, sure you have to sell your soul and don't get payed well but jobs are out their. I have only ever been turned down by a job once because I look where I know I will be a great fit and I don't have any degrees I just graduated high school and will work for minimum wage.
User avatar #178 to #157 - Shiny
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A Walmart recently opened up near my town; so new that the sales floor is still neat and tidy. I can assure you that every damned position was filled in a matter of weeks, and a lot of people ended up with a rejection. These people are willing to work part time with no benefits and are still desperate for whatever work is out there.
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Okay maybe you can help me find a job
-Teenager (16)
-No license
-No car
-My town has been expanding rapidly, but I'm still at the edge of its city limits
-Too far away to walk to potential work
-Too far to bike
-Nowhere is hiring because everywhere set up shop before I was of working age
-Stores like Target, Subway, HEB, etc. Big franchises
-Only places close enough wont hire me till 18; after high school
-No nearby opportunities to volunteer
-Best thing I have going for me is I'm really smart
-Haven't taken any of them 'tests' to 'prove' that fact


Find me a job
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-Teenager (16)
That's your problem. Unless you don't mind a paper route, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone besides maybe fast food that will hire a teen.
User avatar #192 to #175 - warrenzthehero
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You said that "unemployed people aren't trying hard enough". I've tried. I'm unemployed. Do I need to "try hard enough" to grow by two years? Or am I some sort of unspoken exception to the rule? It's perfectly within legality for me to be hired. Or do I just say "Well, I'm a teenager, so I guess I'm SOL. Might as well not try at all"? Because that sounds like the opposite of "trying hard enough".

And if I should just not try because it's unlikely someone will hire me, then why should other unemployed people who want a job try hard if it's unlikely they'll get one?

See how this logic works? The unemployed are either not trying hard enough or simply shouldn't try because it's unlikely they'll get a job.

I'm not by any means saying it's impossible to get a job. In fact, I believe there's more jobs available than most people think. But my point is: it's not always a matter of "trying hard enough", and there's a large group of people (and not just teenagers) who sit in an awkward zone where their prospects for a job are little or nonexistent, with or without the motivation to "try hard enough".
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I don't think about teenagers when it comes to unemployed people, because teenagers are minors. Most employers won't hire teens because they're a liability, because of their parents, and also because they're limited by how many hours they can work because of school. And because most places require you to be 18 except for fast food. Why do you even need a job? Aren't you still with your folks?
User avatar #211 to #202 - warrenzthehero
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Yes I'm still with my parents, but in the future, you know, want to
-Get a car
-Get an apartment
-Get a house
-Attend university
-Have stuff
-Pay for dates
Among other things. What's the best way to start saving up for stuff? A job. With a wage. It may not be much but its a start.
And again, I'm in that awkward zone people don't pay attention to because I'm a teenager. You saying you "don't think about teenagers" is not an argument. It neither gets me a job nor proves that it's easy to get one. You're just trying to brush this under the rug by saying "Oh, you don't count. You're not a person with plans or dreams for a future. You don't need money."
If it so easy for an unemployed person to get a job by trying hard enough, why do you you keep dodging me? I'm unemployed. I'm a person. I'm legal to work. I'm actually wanting to work. Where's my job? I've tried. I have put in applications. Even at a local Burger King, of all places. So why am I still unemployed?

Or am I just not a person because I'm a minor so my problems and dreams and plans don't count?
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You don't seem to understand that being a kid by the legal definition literally means that you don't count. Nobody's going to care if you're employed or not, because you live with your parents and they have to support you until you're an adult. That's the truth. When I was a kid none of my peers had jobs, except for one guy that got a summer job at Jack in the Box.

Also.

Don't expect to get a car before you turn 22, unless your parents help, or you get a really good job. Even if you get a cheapo car. If you're on your own, a car will be way out of your budget.
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I count for census, I count for taxes, I count for attendance in school, even if I'm not an adult, I'm still a person, even legally. And I still have ambition and I still have hopes. Even if I live with my parents, why can't I help support myself? Why can't I lighten the load? Also keep in mind that not all parents can support their kids properly.
As far as the car is concerned, I never stated when I want to have one. Just that I want one. Same for the house and apartment and all that stuff. Eventually I will need one. So why can't I start early? Because I don't count, apparently.

Again, you're not making an actual argument here. It's like some weird form of ad hominem. You're entire point right now is constructed around the idea that since I'm a minor, I don't count. That's not solving for me having a job or for the apparent ease of acquiring one. If anything you're proving my point: You're agreeing when I say it's difficult for me to get a job.

And what about in a couple years? I still won't have a job. I will have my license, but no car to drive every day. I'll [hopefully] be going to college ( which, I'd like to note you earlier mentioned something about college kids being interns, but then later mentioned to me an argument about how it's even harder for me to get a job because I have to go to school ). None of this gets me a job. I'll be 18, so I can get a job at a couple more places which have age restrictions, but there's still the issue of places hiring and of distance.

So again: Where is my job? Or where will it be?
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You've made it clear I'm talking to a wall here. Since you don't want to listen (which makes a pretty bad case for yourself, since it's considered typical for kids not to listen), I'm not going to waste my breath. I've told you where your job is. Accept it.
User avatar #326 to #225 - lolollo
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Dude, you can't just look at some guy who doesn't fit your canned advice and say he's the exception. He's not the exception, he's the same part of the population who's having stress over emloyment. Your foolproof plan of getting a job 100% of the time obviously doesn't work for everyone.
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He's AN exception, not THE exception. He's a kid. And I get a feeling you are too.
User avatar #394 to #225 - lolollo
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Then our employers are precisely the way everyone says they are, with their heads up their asses. Are you saying you agree with it? Because if so, your head is up your own ass to the exact same degree.
User avatar #392 to #225 - lolollo
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No he's not even AN exception. I am simply based on the fact that I have a job currently, but he is still a part of the population who wants to get a job, but can't for this that or some other reason. It's not even legal reasons, they're social reasons you came up with. He's legally allowed to work, and an employer is legally allowed to employ him, just like I'm legally allowed to work, and anemployer is legally allowed to employ me. Yet for some reason, he can't find work for the completely ludicrous reason that an employer can't be expected to hire him. No, the ideal situation is that someone who is able to work, and is looking for work, should be able to find it.
User avatar #393 to #392 - leglesslegolegolas
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I'm being accused of idealism while you're spouting out the same exact thing. It doesn't matter if he's part of the population looking for a job. He. Is. A. MINOR. Under 18. He doesn't NEED a job, in the eyes of employers. They're legally allowed to, not required to hire him, or even consider him. Get it through your thick skull.
User avatar #248 to #192 - durkadurka
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************, you're under 18. Almost nobody will want to pay you $7.25 when they can hire adults. If there wasn't a minimum wage it'd be easier for you to find a job. You wouldn't make a whole lot right away, but you'd be gaining experience to make more later. But that's not the way things are so you gotta make due.

You gotta get off the "poor me" express and ******* work under-the-counter. Make money for yourself. It's not up to us to ******* figure it out for you, that's you're job. I did work on/sold computers and whatnot at a farmers market before I was 18.

Don't mistake "try harder" to be easy.
User avatar #342 to #88 - mikaelkid
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Plus you need to work FULL TIME to get those benefits. kinda hard for a college student
User avatar #233 to #88 - rockamekishiko
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to pay a bill at a good hospital for the services and a stay of about a week in America you would have to earn up to like 80K a year.
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Not sure what that has to do with my comment.
User avatar #236 to #235 - rockamekishiko
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well i was trying to reply to your first comment, sorry.
User avatar #239 to #236 - leglesslegolegolas
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Oh. In that case. You know what my bill is at a good hospital for the services and a week long stay here in America? $250. Thank you, health insurance. Granted it ought to be free like other countries, but I'd rather pay a measly co-pay fee than tens of thousands.
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there is more to insurance than just "oh i have insurance kick-ass!" they have all sorts of policies, exceptions and they are expensive.
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Nope. In America people buy "health insurance" which does the same thing, except you can choose how much coverage you want to have.

Except for freeloading ***** who live off of other citizens taxmoney anyways. ******* like that are why we're going through healthcare reform right now.
User avatar #46 to #9 - abesimpson
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Yeah because being poor equals being a freeloader, right?

Goodluck with life when you don't have mommy and daddy´s support (and if you work, pray you never lose your job). I don't wish for you to live that kind of life, 'cause there probably isn't a greater sorrow than to have a love one die from a treatable disease because you couldn`t afford it. But still, you sound like a total douche who never sampled the harshness of reality (and that is a blessing). its true that freeloaders are everywhere, but hey, im freeloading from my parents, so who am i to have an opinion?

Yeah... that's the freedom we all dream of...
User avatar #117 to #9 - mrcowll
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Yea because someone who is broke can afford that. It helps break the poverty cycle so people don't get sicker and can work. It's a ******* shame to see someone who has to work through college get something like an appendix removal and can't afford it so they are basically ****** over. And y'know what pisses me off the most about this? If some ****** stabs me then I have to pay for it, at least I take solace in the fact that he pays taxes.
User avatar #131 to #117 - noblexfenrir
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It's not meant to be there for someone who is broke, because insurance is literally someone paying your bill for you, they need to get paid and their business model is made so they can pay for you when you need it and they still make profit off of people who aren't sick and using their services. If you can't pay, they can't help you. Sounds cruel but without profits, they wouldn't be there in the first place to help anyone. I prefer them over tax covered healthcare.

Also most hospitals offer payment plans that you can set up, generally with discounts if you don't have insurance because of savings behind the scenes. In which they will look at your income and set up a charge plan with you. Wanna know how I know? Because I went through it before when I turned 18 and my insurance didn't cover an injury I had sustained previously in the freshman year of highschool. Regardless to say, the surgery cost me around 25,000. Not only was I able to negotiate the hospital to lower it to 17,500 but I had a payment plan setup with my current income.

They were actually incredibly nice about it because I worked 3 jobs at the time and instead of taking my full income, they only applied the base hours of each employer, and didn't account in my average overtime.

Once I got my business up and running, and a few other sources of income, when I still had $6,000 left on the bill, I offered them $4,000 cash if they dropped the other $2,000. They said okay and in the end I paid $15,500 and got the surgery I needed at the time.

I don't regret a single moment. Was it hard? Yes, but I wasn't making enormous amounts so I really expected it to be. This is why planning ahead is very important.
User avatar #312 to #9 - jukuku
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"Except for freeloading ***** who live off of other citizens taxmoney anyways."

You drive on public roads, you eat subsidized crops that exist so you can afford them, you're likely using the internet that has received massive investments from government for telecommunications infrastructure. Get your head out of your ass, idiot.
User avatar #314 to #9 - jukuku
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And if you could do math, you'd realize that the United States gets mediocre care despite spending the most on healthcare in the world.
User avatar #13 to #9 - Loppytaffy
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"I'm terribly sorry, but your leg has multiple fractures. Fear not, we provide the best care and aftercare for our patients here; we'll have you fixed up in no ti- oh, you don't have health insurance. Good luck walking that off."

I'd sooner pay taxes into a national pot where everyone helps eachother, than have cover for something I'll probably never need. Taxes are having eachothers back, insurances are every many for himself.
#124 to #13 - madmaxx
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The thing is though, a hospital MUST accept you and give care. It doesn't matter whether you can afford to pay it back or not, they cant turn you away.
#330 to #124 - hairibar
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Not in a private hospital. Or, if they still are obligated, the obvuosly don't care
User avatar #25 to #13 - treepump
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Smell that? It's the smell of freedom. The freedom to not give a **** about poor people.

I wish I had the money to move to a different country...
User avatar #30 to #25 - lolollo
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And then you become poor, and everyone else laughs and laughs and laughs.
User avatar #40 to #30 - abesimpson
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read the spoiler
User avatar #41 to #40 - lolollo
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My computer doesn't let me.
User avatar #333 to #13 - frantasium
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Also, insurance is a method of gaining profit, unlike healthcare.
User avatar #36 to #13 - gatorade
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I'd do that if the country wasn't populated with over 300 million people. That's a lot of money. A LOT.
User avatar #43 to #36 - mutzaki
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Why does that matter?
User avatar #44 to #43 - gatorade
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That's a **** ton of money, money that some people don't have which means more taxes on us, which leads to us not having money. A country of 80 million can afford social healthcare. A country the size of the US could not afford to pay that.
User avatar #122 to #44 - deathstare
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Um, 100 people pay 10% taxes, and 1/3 of them are injured. 1000000000000 people pay 10% taxes, 1/3 of them are injured, still amounts to the same amount of coverage.
The more people tossing in to the pot, the more people that can be covered, that's just plan and simple logic, it's not even advanced, like the content. Anyone could figure it out.
User avatar #128 to #122 - gatorade
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Well see, not everyone makes enough money to even pay more taxes. Like my family who has free healthcare due to my father being a police officer. My family can't pay anymore. We're struggling to even pay now, thinking that we can pay even more taxes for someone elses health... I can't.
User avatar #186 to #128 - snowshark
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That's not a problem with the amount of people in the country, that is a problem with how the country handles wealth. The reason that the US will struggle with that kind of health policy or even any kind of communist policy (which universal healthcare is) is that the country is just an awful place to exist at the moment unless you're filthy-stinking rich.
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But tax money ends up being a percentual thing. Is it optional to pay taxes in the U.S.? No, as long as a fairly equal amount of people pay taxes, there shouldn't be an issue. More required health care from a higher population also means a proportionally higher amount of tax money.
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OF course, but in this country of different cultures, races, incomes, and classes. The fact that the Rich pay for the poor or the struggling middle class(Like my family) has to pay for someone else would just put us even further into the hole. I receive government healthcare because of my father who is a Cop and my grandfather who is a vet. Social healthcare sounds great but in a country where I'm paying for some obese man who couldn't put down a burger, or a drug addict, it seems like BS to me. It's selfish but when I can barely get by even with free healthcare, then I feel it is a bad idea.
#54 to #51 - obese
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I can put down a burger, but I don't want to because they are ******* delicious. Also, this is murika I can be as fat as I want. And if I die, well then I'm one less ****** who's sucking up your air. If you wanna make life more comfortable for yourself, do something about it.
I can put down a burger, but I don't want to because they are ******* delicious. Also, this is murika I can be as fat as I want. And if I die, well then I'm one less ****** who's sucking up your air. If you wanna make life more comfortable for yourself, do something about it.
User avatar #55 to #54 - gatorade
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*****, I'm ******* working on it. I'm 17, can only do so much!
User avatar #305 to #55 - hermaeousmora
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Gatorade, I, hermaeousmora, lord of knowledge, have something for you.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M
#193 to #44 - tonyxx
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Proportionally speaking, we pay more as is in the current system for healthcare (%34 of ou GDP) than countries with socialized healthcare (Germany comes in at a close second of %17)
#57 to #44 - kez
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Thats a very stupid answer.

You should delete your account and **** off
User avatar #77 to #57 - gatorade
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Actually it's a very intelligent answer. Due to the fact that a nation so huge in population known for all the health problems would essentially drain the people dry.

If you can't add to the conversation then don't say anything at all.
#91 to #77 - kez
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theres loads of problems, thats not one of them.

one of the major ones is usa pay too much for their medical suppliescos they cant haggle so well
#354 to #13 - joshlol
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> Good luck walking that off.
> Good luck walking that off.
User avatar #96 to #13 - tylermcall
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You realize that isn't how the health system works in America...
User avatar #264 to #13 - durkadurka
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Taxes are not having each others back. They necessary for funding government, that is all.
Why do you need to be forced to help someone pay for their medical treatment? What's stopping you right now from going and helping someone who is struggling with medical costs?

I've never understood how people can sit there and say "I'd gladly pay if some government is demanding it", yet won't lift a damn finger to help someone on their own free will.

How on Earth does yet another massive federal bureaucracy spend your money more efficiently than you do? Someone else's money is easily spent and wasted, but your own hard earned money is spent more wisely.

And besides, a "national pot" would never work, just like every other failed centralized system.
Say I'm paying taxes and I can access healthcare for no cost. If a doctor's visit costs me nothing, why wouldn't I go for every little sniffle I get? It's smart on my part; I'm trying to get the most bang for my buck. In this way, a national pot would waste resources, either raising the costs of paying for everyone's healthcare or creating a system of rationing. It's a simple fact that if people are presented with something they perceive as free, they will take as much of it as possible. It's only natural.

I'd sooner pay less for health insurance that I choose and then use the money I save to help someone else.
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What lol?

First of all, hospitals can, and most will, set you up on a payment plan when you don't have insurance. Majority of places (Atleast that I've seen in my personal experience) offer cheaper rates if you don't have insurance, this is because directly paying the hospital saves them a lot of money in clerical services and what not. Yes it most likely will be more than if you did have insurance, but what would you expect?

Second, insurance isn't "every man for himself" in the way you put it, it's deciding the level of care you want covered, and the amount you're willing to pay to have this care available whenever you need it. Most people hope that what they pay they'll "Probably never need". I'm sorry you apparently see insurance as a waste of money, when a majority of the people who have it, through their job or their own personal insurance, see it for what it is, a safety net. However, insurance is a business, it is someone literally paying your bill for you.

Thirdly, cool, you'd rather pay taxes into a pot. (Why you don't just use that money more effectively on an insurance policy or/combined with a healthcare savings account is beyond me but whatever mate. However, saying you'd rather have a tax collective implies you think that because you are perfectly fine with you paying for everyone else, I should be okay with that as well. I'm not. I don't want to pay for other people, well I don't want to be forced to pay. If I want to give to a charity or fund then I will.

So where do you find the right to tell me I have to pay for you and everyone else?
#266 to #125 - rakoom
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Ever heard the expression "Look upon a woman who can't feed her child"?

Spending quite a lot of time on social medias, I hear on a daily basis how people - often people at the age of 16-25 - talking about the problems in their families. Lower-class family? Well good ******* luck to you when your mother gets injured, breaks a hip-bone or something similar, and you have to hear her in pain on the couch, incapable of getting off of it, while trying to scrape together enough money to go to the doctor to help her. Families often stick up for one-another, because the state sure as hell won't, and the banks often go "**** you" with their strict rules that eventually leads in you losing money because of how their system works. Losing money, when you REALLY ******* needed it.

And what you're saying is that people get a discount.
Not that they don't have to pay, when their pockets are dry, or close to it.
So everyone has to pay, wether it's a splinter from their wallet, or everything they have left?

****. That. No wonder that the poor stay poor in the US, when the upper-class citizens and the government doesn't give ******** about them.
User avatar #112 to #13 - nought
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I'm not payin' for some dimpy ass dude who had multiple leg fractures. Not my problem
User avatar #50 to #13 - damping
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In the US it is different. In case you haven't noticed our greatness was built off of unregulated capitalism not socialism. We don't like to pay for freeloaders. Every man for himself has proved to be the best system.
User avatar #56 to #50 - Loppytaffy
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Nice fire service, police service and military you got there.
Hell, nice government, too.
And schools.
I wonder, oh I do wonder, how they are funded.
User avatar #378 to #56 - damping
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Those are necessities. Healthcare is not.
User avatar #427 to #378 - Loppytaffy
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You're saying teachers are more important that blood tranfusions and chemo therapy?
User avatar #428 to #427 - damping
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Yes. One effects the entire population. One effects 5% of the population.
User avatar #429 to #428 - Loppytaffy
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That's a very selfish way of thinking.
I'm begining to see why guns are a big thing and manners aren't.
User avatar #430 to #429 - damping
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People are much nicer in the US than in Sweden or France. So I don't know where you get that from.
User avatar #431 to #430 - Loppytaffy
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********. I've been to France. As an Angleman, of course they didn't like me, but they were still polite and helpful, and I'm not talking about people who are paid to be, I'm talking about the general public.
Swedes are wonderful people. I've never heard a bad thing about a Swede.
User avatar #432 to #431 - damping
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Swedes are anti social as ****. French people are assholes. There is really nothing else to that.
User avatar #434 to #432 - Loppytaffy
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Have you ever even met French people?
I went skiing, and was struggling down some steps in my ski boots with my skiis in my hand. French person walked past, took my skiis from me and took them to the bottom of the steps. They waited for me, then gave them back and walked off without a word.

Swedes live in a cold and dark place for most of the year. Of course they're anti social. Who socialises in winter?
User avatar #435 to #434 - damping
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I've been to Paris, and they were true to stereotype. Elitist assholes most of them.

Yes I expect people to socialize in the cold and dark. I live in the Northern US were it hasn't been above freezing in a month and I still socialize with people. And guess what mostly at night!
User avatar #436 to #435 - Loppytaffy
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Every captial city is full of elitist assholes.

And the Nordics are different; they have 4 hours of sunlight in the winter, if that. Any car made in Nordic countries has compulsary permanently on headlights, because it's always dark. Don't you ever compare north US to the Nordics.
User avatar #437 to #436 - damping
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My point still stands. I mostly socialize in the dark. Why would that stop socializing?Also in the summer they have 20 hour days and they still don't socialize. Your points make no sense.

PS. It snows more in the Northern US than it does in Stockholm where most of the Swedes live anyway.
User avatar #438 to #437 - Loppytaffy
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Stockholm produces a lot of carbon emissions. Doesn't snow that much in the Scottish capital, either. The hills still get covered.
User avatar #53 to #50 - mutzaki
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M
According to this, you actually pay a lot more tax money on health care than we do. And also, if you hadn't noticed, the American economy hasn't exactly been without issues lately, and you're really not so "great" anymore. No offense.
#31 - optimussum
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Americans dont pay for healthcare


they just leave massive tips
User avatar #257 to #31 - mrhotwings
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So I just started watching anime recently and do you mind telling me the name of this one? I need a new one to watch.
User avatar #265 to #257 - kohgilgamesh
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It's called Plastic Nee-san. The full series is a little more than 20 minutes long, but it's well worth the watch.
User avatar #268 to #265 - mrhotwings
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Thanks.
#38 to #31 - mutzaki
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It's the only place where jews leave more tips.
#70 to #38 - dameush
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circumcision...
#81 to #70 - anon id: d7f829a2
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yes...that's the joke
#83 to #81 - dameush
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oh... I am not a smart man..
User avatar #6 - rottens
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I never understood this, I can understand paying a hospital for something that you went in and asked to get done, i.e plasctic surgery, check ups, etc. But when you go in there because you were seriously hurt in an accident or whatever the case may be, as long as it was not of your free will, you have to pay for whatever they did on you. It's like putting a cost on human life.
User avatar #33 to #6 - somedumbcomics
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Okay, so where does the money come from to pay for:

The Doctor
The Nurses
The Medical Records Technician
The Administration staff
The medicine
The sutures, instruments, scalpels, whatever else was used to save your life
The electricity
The janitors
The night shift nurses who check on you
The maintenance contracts to keep the instruments running
The ongoing training so that the staff can do their jobs
The electricity
The water
THE LIABILITY INSURANCE that's required because truly greedy people have sued for millions of dollars in frivolous lawsuits (some are legitimate...too many are frivolous)

Keep in mind, that even if it is a "public" hospital the money has to come from somewhere. Anytime someone suggests that something should be "free" ask them, who's going to pay for it? Because unless everyone in the hospital is a volunteer and everything is donated, someone has to pay for it.
User avatar #67 to #33 - adrilazzaro
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Perhaps if you didn't spend over 40% of your taxes on military expenses all that would be affordable 10 times over
User avatar #361 to #67 - undeadwill
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Yes lets now then are you ready ti build up an army, navy, air force, set up diplomats, and train troops?
Because as it stands we have been paying for a great deal of Europe's military, Asia's military, and in the middle east that 40% goes to Egypt and Israel. Along with military aid to those poor oppressed people around the globe.
You willing to do all that? Good, because we sure as hell aren't. Let someone else die for a change.

I would say that the 60 percent on welfare would be a much better to cut than the 40 on the military that is necessary.
#300 to #67 - anon id: dfe2e604
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If the US spent 40%< of the tax money, they would've ended every war from here to eternity, tomorrow.


Instead there are people making menthol-diet-coke-experiments and keeping fu$#ing tigers as pets (no offence towards the tigers here).
The tax money is needed to pull light bulbs, action figures and what-not out of the average Joe-american's ass
User avatar #74 to #67 - somedumbcomics
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I don't mind an honest debate, but where in the world did you get such a ridiculous figure? Military spending is a fraction of the total US budget.

Besides, that would have nothing to do with the cost of health care.
User avatar #76 to #74 - adrilazzaro
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pulled these out of my ass, don't remember where exactly i heard it but from what i'm seeing it doesn't see too far off
www.commondreams.org/view/2010/04/13-4
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User avatar #316 to #74 - anthraxpotato
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In other cuntries all of that is payed with your taxes money.
Health care is free , staying in a hospital is totaly free and operations that you need don't get you in depth for the rest of your life. Their always helped paying by the govern and even if they weren't they wouldn't top 10k.

So what's the problem with USA? Gonna say that the goverment is too poor to pay the docters and nurses?
#319 to #74 - anon id: 40fac67d
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you know that it cost tehm 12 cents for a iv bag and they sell them on your bill for 400 right?
#347 to #33 - anon id: c6d15702
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Where do you think that policemen come from?
#304 to #33 - anon id: eca8b084
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Why do so many other countries manage just fine then?

And offer high quality care at that mind you.
User avatar #126 to #33 - rottens
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I understand paying the hospital for it's services, but the ridiculous amount they expect is killer. Say you get shot in the shoulder, they would charge, my guess, is at least 300+ just because you spent a day in their room. Removing a bullet from the shoulder doesn't seem so difficult, I know I am not a doctor, so I might be wrong, but most likely, they just make a small incision, and remove the bullet, then sew it back up, and bandage it. All that, and they charge you an arm and a leg. Of course, there's always insurance, and they will get maybe half of the cost, depending on your numbers. Even then, you'll still end up paying the exact cost if you don't miss a payment, basically, you're just putting your medical bill on layaway.
#62 to #33 - keroberios
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As they say in the picture. That's what taxes are for.
User avatar #240 to #62 - lumpymandude
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Trust me when I say, taxes go to many other things
User avatar #15 to #6 - lumpymandude
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Just because it did not happen of your free will does not mean you are not responsible for it.
User avatar #123 to #15 - rottens
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Like keroberios said, you can get hurt without it being your fault. Which means the guy who hurt you is responsible. If you are at a liquor store, buying whatever it is youre buying, some guy walks in, sprays bullets, and leaves... You get hit, that wasn't your fault, so why should you be responsible? The guy who hurt you should be responsible. You didn't know you were gonna get hurt at the store. Now if the case was, you see the store being robbed, and still walk in, and get shot, then yes. You are the responsible one because you still walked in when the robber was there, you were aware of the consequences, and you still walked in.
#151 to #123 - anon id: e7e02138
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You do realize that's what civil courts are for right? If some guy comes up and breaks your legs and you lose you job you have the right to sue him for lost wages as well as assaulting you.
#64 to #15 - keroberios
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Hey, that guy in the street stabbed me! But I guess that's my fault, right?
User avatar #254 to #6 - rockamekishiko
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"you're poor so you'll probably die"
User avatar #154 to #6 - yusay
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It's incredibly obvious you have no clue how it works. If you have a life threatening emergency you will be treated no matter if you can pay, or hell, no matter if you're a citizen or not and you won't have to pay a cent.
User avatar #7 to #6 - biscuitsunited
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"Better they had die, and decrease the surplus population!" Ebeneezer Scrooge, A Christmas Carol
#16 to #7 - anon id: f6656a22
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But we can handle the current population just fine.
User avatar #8 to #7 - rottens
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That guy was a true dick.
User avatar #26 - jonathankitty
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The huge problem is that if hospitals were free, we'd have plenty of people getting themselves hurt in stupid stunts without thinking about how they have to pay for hospital bills.

Just thin out the herd a little...
User avatar #66 to #26 - penguinsinc
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Shut your face. You are making the people who like economic freedom look stupid.
User avatar #72 to #66 - jonathankitty
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Your aggression shows that you fear the judgement of others upon yourself.
User avatar #80 to #72 - penguinsinc
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Im just saying that's not why it is better to have a private healthcare system. And the reason you gave is making it look like anyone who wants a private system is as dumb as you because well, you gave a dumb reason.
User avatar #82 to #80 - jonathankitty
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You have said I have given dumb reasoning, without elaboration. And you've proven that we agree on a private healthcare system.
User avatar #90 to #82 - penguinsinc
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Yes... well, then I will elaborate. The reason we need a private system is because capitalism has been proven to work the best to a certain degree... not because people would do stupid things. you cant stop dumbasses from being dumbasses...
User avatar #103 to #90 - jonathankitty
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It seems I've pulled the wind from your sails, although I do not disagree with you.
User avatar #105 to #103 - penguinsinc
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I don't know you so you may not be dumb but, do us logic people a favor. Think before you speak. Even smart people do that.
User avatar #114 to #26 - bronybox
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"Ad Absurdum" at its finest.
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User avatar #376 to #26 - avengerofthenight
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Most countries in Europe have a free healthcare and you I doubt that Europe has stastically more self cause accidents. Also when you look at the reasons why people are brought to a hospital and need medical treatment, the percentage of accidents, let alone self cause accidents is not the major part. So even if what you said would happen, and I don't think it would, it wouldn't cost America so much more that it would actually make a difference. There are so many reasons that would suggest that America needs a dramatic change of its healthcare system, that your pseudo reason really is no argument against it.
That is like some people saying, that you shouldn't give birthcontrol to teenagers because then they will have sex. No, they will have sex anyway, with giving them birthcontrol you just control and reduce the damage.
#58 to #26 - electrictroll
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Yes because noone in the US gets hurt while doing stupid ****, while in Europe all we do is travel to and fro the hospital.
User avatar #119 to #26 - fuelnfire
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Student, working, living on his own, barely afford tuition/ is on loans, eating crap food to cut down on living costs. Drunk driver comes around corner, slams into him/her. Massive damage, broken ribs, crushed organs, broken limbs. Driver runs off.

"oh hey, you've been in a nasty accident, here's your hospital fees ********"

Really thinning out the herd eh?

Will there be people that abuse the healthcare system? Yes. If it saves one person that needs it though, is it not worth the cost?
User avatar #120 to #119 - jonathankitty
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This is not the case in most situations. And in the long run a fueled economy might actually help people by decreasing the price of living and being able to be successful in making problems a thing of the past.

By the way, a doctor needs to work on his bedside manner if that's what he does after patching him up.
User avatar #315 to #26 - jukuku
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The fact that there is no data in existence to support your claim, leads me to say this;

You're an idiot.
User avatar #340 to #315 - jonathankitty
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And you haven't said anything to disprove that.

So you've become a hypocrite.
User avatar #404 to #340 - jukuku
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I don't have to disprove baseless claims, first you have to prove them. You haven't the faintest grasp of logic, so next time you insinuate that people are just going to injure themselves because they can go to hospital for free, you should provide some sort of data indicating that actually happens.
#32 to #26 - Elemental
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From somewhere where we never have huge hospital bills (inb4 "free" healthcare), stupid people will do stupid **** with out thinking no matter free healthcare or not because they are stupid. Any rational person doesn't go; "That sounds like a bad idea, but I have free healthcare so **** it".
User avatar #65 to #32 - SRsoccerstar
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I'm not going to say you're wrong because OP's idea is very flawed, but in the same sense it probably isint as black and white as you're making it out to be either.

There WILL be people that are more inclined to take risky actions knowing a huge medical bill wont follow. I'm not trying to say you're wrong, just trying to clarify what you're saying is right for most instances.
User avatar #42 to #32 - jonathankitty
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When did I say a rational person will do that? That was merely an assumption you just made without any context.
#45 to #42 - Elemental
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My point was stupid people don't think at all before doing things. Thus your point is invalid.
User avatar #71 to #45 - jonathankitty
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All you've proven is that what I said will happen will happen.
#139 to #26 - kingpongthedon
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I've done a lot of stupid **** in my life. I've also not done a lot more stupid **** I thought about doing. Not once has the potential financial cost of injury affected my decision. I've never thought "Gee, if I break my leg, it'll cost a lot of money", but I have frequently thought "Gee, if I break my leg, it'll hurt a whole ******* lot." You see, people already have a system in place to prevent dangerous stunts, it's called pain. It's like the first thing your brain understands. You are hard-wired to respond to physical pain, while money is a much more abstract concept. If you aren't thinking enough to figure out that your stupid stunt might hurt a ********, then you probably aren't thinking too much about it's potential financial consequences. Free health care would have precisely zero impact on the amount of stunts performed.
User avatar #37 to #26 - abesimpson
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Yes, this is totally true, because we all know that hospitals can fix anything.
#414 to #37 - anon id: 3ec28cdf
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its a fair point - look up moral hazard
User avatar #39 to #37 - jonathankitty
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Stupid people will think that. So they will do stupid things.
User avatar #48 to #39 - abesimpson
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Then let nature take its course, in time all the idiots would die and the rest of us would use healthcare wisely.
User avatar #73 to #48 - jonathankitty
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I had said in small text to thin out the herd, therefore what I just said.
User avatar #3 - avengerofthenight
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Why Are American Health Care Costs So High?
I watched that the other day and I found it really informative.
User avatar #34 to #3 - tylermcall
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I love John Greene.
User avatar #246 - hellsjester
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usa government- health care is not only effecting our people's health, but our economy now. to many people are uninsured and some can't afford to goto hospitals.

usa people- finally they realize this and will give us a better health care system. maybe this time one that is not that is not based on mental retardation and greed.

usa goverment- we will fine you if you don't get insurance that costs 300$ a month minimum.(just check out government **** and that was my quote) it won't give you half the **** you need but you still need to pay it because **** you i'm the government.

usa people- most of us are struggling with college debt right now and can barely afford that. most people right now only make under $1000 a month in this current generation and we are paying an average of 200$ a month for rent 500$ a month for college debt 200$for miscellaneous (gas and food etc) and you want us to go 200$ in debt a month because we might get sick.....

usa government- yes
usa people- can you at least legalize marijuana.
usa government- sure what ever
User avatar #263 to #246 - lotengo [OP]
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Thats sucks bro

Im on welfare at this moment, at least for the next 1,5 months. Then my new job starts
i get about 1100 a month before taxes
Rent is 615
fuel is expensive, i need at least 80 or 100 a month.
food, i buy at the cheapest store, guess 50 wil do. Dont care about going to cheap stores because laws and requirements for food and hygiene are insanely high in my country.
After all of that and TV and phone bills etc etc etc i'm still able to afford take out 2 times a week.

I laugh at my insurance bills, they are about the same as a large big mac menu wih extra sauce.

And weed is already legal
User avatar #273 to #246 - miklthepikl
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you're only paying 200 for rent? jesus christ, im looking at a monthly bill of 800 dollars and im not even out of sophomore year of college...
User avatar #311 to #273 - thelastamerican
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Jesus Jumping Crist. Where do you live?
#377 to #311 - miklthepikl
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Los angeles, 800 is after splitting with a roommate. mffw
User avatar #400 to #377 - thelastamerican
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A nice apartment where I live is about 300 a month. A really nice apartment can get you into the 800 range, but we're talking, granite counters, comes with a badass TV nice.
User avatar #401 to #400 - miklthepikl
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dude, my place has basic counters, an old as **** stove, and we had to bring our own TV
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I don't understand why people continue living in places like that. Especially when there are places with lower rent a couple hours away. I mean, if you've built a career, and a family, then yeah, I get it. But I would have to move away from that kind of insanity.
User avatar #406 to #405 - miklthepikl
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the thing is, thats the cheapest rent in the city more or less, unless you want to be in south central, which i dont. it would cost about per month the same to commute every day due to gas/traffic, so it makes more sense to live in the city and ride the bus'
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I mean I would have to leave the city entirely. Apply for jobs outside the city until I found on that's hiring, find an apartment near the new job, and go. I couldn't imagine throwing $800 at an apartment for too long.
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its not fun, but its better then doing a 2 or 3 hour commute to school on the daily
User avatar #409 to #408 - thelastamerican
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I don't like not having fun. I'm working and in school, and I still manage to have fun. Where do you work that allows you to pay that kind of cash for living?
User avatar #410 to #409 - miklthepikl
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I work a couple jobs. Real estate management, art supply store down the street, and oddjobs including babysitting and dog walking. Its life in LA, its never cheep
User avatar #411 to #410 - thelastamerican
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Fuuuuuuuuck all of that. Like I said, I'm amazed that you're willing/can do all that, but I would have to move away from that kind of craziness.
User avatar #412 to #411 - miklthepikl
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All together, it pulls in about 3.5-4k a month, i dont really /need/ the oddjobs, but the money from that goes into saving for future investment. sure, ***** tough now, but im hoping it'll turn around in the next few years
User avatar #413 to #412 - thelastamerican
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Dude, with that kind of cash you could go to school, rent a house, and have a car where I live. And still have money.
User avatar #271 to #246 - durkadurka
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The insurance costs so much because the whole thing is a ******* pyramid scheme. Insuring the sick and elderly is rather expensive, so the idea was to require insurance and make many younger, healthy people pay more for it in order to offset the costs of the sicker people.
User avatar #288 to #246 - undeadwill
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" mental retardation and greed" You mean government regulation and special interests? America's government spends more money on healthcare than any nation on earth.
User avatar #318 - thebtardist
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Its kinda ironic, Americans are ok with not paying health care (some people) becuase they dont want to pay taxes for other peoples mistakes or health problems.



But their country spends over 650 Billion every year on wars and defence budgets, which ultimately results in action in other countries, nothing to do with defence. The last time America actually was involved in a war that truly meant the defence of its people was WWII. Korea, Vietnam, Kosovo and Iraq. None of them involved the defence of your people.



But you wont pay for the health of your people? Wat?
#327 to #318 - verby
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Shhh. The overlords don't like it when we examine the budget to closely
#343 to #318 - xxdremisterxx
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First understand and analyze the U.S stance on Terrorism, and then tell us its not for defense. Its called pre-emptive defense. The best defense is a good offense. Ever heard of that before?
First understand and analyze the U.S stance on Terrorism, and then tell us its not for defense. Its called pre-emptive defense. The best defense is a good offense. Ever heard of that before?
User avatar #357 to #343 - kinginyellow
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Ya but the US is just looking for a fight at this point. Gonna be a total dick, but terrorist attacks on the US weren't just random or purely for being the US. They were attacked for the way their troops treated civilians in a country far from theirs and trying to force their idea of justice on the country even if it means a total ***********. Some of those countries still aren't stable and it's why Canada has just given up helping; we don't want to become a target.

Not saying those attacks are justified, the civilians knew nothing about what went down and shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of other people, but they made enemies and just won't stop trying to strong arm into other countries.
User avatar #371 to #343 - thebtardist
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Also what you just described is basically the idea of a pre-emptive total invasion of a country because a small, mobile and weak terrorist force lives there.
User avatar #370 to #343 - thebtardist
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Loads of developed countries have terrorist attacks. Spain, france, germany, UK, italy.... they have all had one or another form of terrorists attack them. You dont see them invading countries.


The only exception is the uk in terms of Northern Ireland, and Iraq. In NI however they technically see it as their own land so that is defence and iraq was a war pressured by America.
User avatar #344 to #343 - xxdremisterxx
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Btw, I'm not advocating for my gov, i'm simply trying to get people to do more digging because looking at the facts at a surface level will lead to a lot of assumptions.
User avatar #350 to #318 - scorcho
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yeah that's right. they always go on about how they wanna protect their people and how they are one patriotic community, but they are not solidary enough to pay a tiny bit of taxes so little timmy's mommy can get her cancer treated?
User avatar #286 - undeadwill
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America's government actually spend more on healthcare than every nation on earth.
#296 to #286 - kuchen
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Thats why America is known for its good and free healthcare
User avatar #306 to #296 - thelastamerican
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Another reason that other nations can have free healthcare is because the US is busy being to world cop. I say we stop trying to be the world cop and put that money into the health care system.
User avatar #382 to #296 - undeadwill
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For the poor and old yes.

But its only expensive due to government regulation. As healthcare companies are forced to pay for treatments that doctors prescribe the healthcare companies make it so that the docters can only use drugs A, C, and D.
At the same time the FDA makes sure that the US people can only buy drugs A, B C, and D. While at the same time drugs 1, 2 , 3 , 4 are cheaper than A,B, C, D however because you can't sell them it allows the drug companies to sell at what ever price the healthcare company will pay.

Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.
User avatar #332 to #296 - Marker
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Even with the ACA, which is designed to make it Affordable (hence the name), it's not free.