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1' mayor of Rotterdam tells
fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the
freedoms' of living in the West to ‘pack your
bags and off‘ on We TV
Ahmed , s' r.. 1 .hra' rmw.. re," tlh%' Muslim, spoke after Paris attack
d The mayor said Dutch Muslims who ‘don' t freedom‘ '' f” off
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#63 - cheeseboyofdoom (10/28/2015) [-]
Reminds me of a Muhammad Ali quote. After a fight in Zaire. a reporter asked a Ali, “Champ, what did you think of Africa?” Ali replied, “Thank God my granddaddy got on that boat.”
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#151 to #63 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
He was such a smartass. When asked if he wanted to fight in Nam he replied : "No chink ever called me a ****** .."
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User avatar #1 - thekeeperofthumbs (10/28/2015) [-]
Absolutely ******* based.
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#4 to #1 - beastmawd (10/28/2015) [-]
why based? What freedom is he talking about? The freedom of choking on std dick?
Im all for alcohol and drugs which muslims hate but im against lgbtqmcjs crap in western countryes.
they have a right to disagree with something thats what democracy is
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#22 to #4 - fataliteehee (10/28/2015) [-]
Guys, maybe, just maybe, this is a troll account.
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User avatar #57 to #22 - badgoodass (10/28/2015) [-]
most people here want to be mad because they're idiots tho
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User avatar #130 to #57 - tevansroskos (10/28/2015) [-]
I'd be surprised if anyone took these people seriously. I enjoy the troll comments sometimes. They give me a good laugh about how ridiculous they are. Kinda like Ken M.
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User avatar #148 to #57 - wrpen (10/29/2015) [-]
It's fun being mad, tho. It get's you motivated to go punch the **** out of something.

protip: buy a punching bag
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User avatar #190 to #22 - enlightednatzie (10/29/2015) [-]
Ahh i see that you got trolled by no other than beastmawd. How do you feel after fallen for such shenanigans? Do you feel violated? Are you angry?
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#169 to #168 - fataliteehee (10/29/2015) [-]
I saw this notification, and thought I ****** up on something and pissed someone off, I was worried for a second there.
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#124 to #4 - Sevenseas (10/28/2015) [-]
**Sevenseas used "*roll picture*"**
**Sevenseas rolled image**Good on you for displaying your beliefs and how you feel about things, while I do not agree with almost 100% of your post I value your feelings and views on these subjects.

Have a nice day.
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#191 to #124 - literallynobody (10/29/2015) [-]
"Have a nice day"
Even though the gif is smashing his keyboard and monitor in rage.
Godly roll, sir.
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User avatar #5 to #4 - platinumaltaria (10/28/2015) [-]
Well, I mean if you're just a homophobe I guess that's ok then. Since you probably can't tell, that's sarcasm.
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User avatar #62 to #5 - theoldfritz (10/28/2015) [-]
its a troll account, dont even waste your time
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#93 to #5 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
Being a homophobe and not wanting to see all this lgbt crap is a big difference. I'm all in for equal rights yadda yadda yadda, but when all this crap "ACCEPT ME OR **** YOU" **** is being put down my throat ya'll can just **** off
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User avatar #158 to #93 - platinumaltaria (10/29/2015) [-]
What do you mean "see" it? Who the **** is forcing you to watch gay people?
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User avatar #7 to #5 - beastmawd (10/28/2015) [-]
doesnt that mean im afraid of gay ppl? im not
i just dont like them
nice pokeyman xD
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#8 to #7 - StealerShock (10/28/2015) [-]
that's called being a homophobe. It doesn't mean you're afraid of them, that's just the translation of the word from latin.

Why don't you like gay people anyway? As long as it's consensual and above the age of 16 I don't give a **** who people want to love
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#68 to #8 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
It's not gays as a whole that people don't like, it's the 'flamers' that have to shove it in everybody's faces. We get it, you're gay, now **** off and stop being a nuisance.
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#10 to #8 - beastmawd (10/28/2015) [-]
maybe because they act like women which is cringe worthy as ****
speaking of ******** , shiet isnt natural. Your ass has only 1 function - taking dump
i wouldnt care either if they kept their bs in private. But they have to let everyone know, like vegans do.
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#13 to #10 - StealerShock (10/28/2015) [-]
see, what you're talking about there is faggots, not gay people/ Just the same as I hate neckbeards but not atheists, dykes but not lesbians, and bronies not people who watch mlp.

Don't judge a group of people based off of the loudest, most annoying minority
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User avatar #19 to #13 - zorach ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
Check his comment level.
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#177 to #13 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
Why are you arguijg with him? He's completely yanking your chain.
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#14 to #13 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
I don't think there's anything wrong with effeminate guys if they're not obnoxious about it. Dunno if youre referring to tomboys/butch girls whatever as dykes. Or you mean feminists, sjws and such? If it's the latter, then I agree. I like ponies so that makes me a brony I guess, even though I don't like calling myself one. clopper sounds way cooler anyway I don't care about the other bronies or their spaghetti **** can be pretty funny though
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#12 to #10 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
The male g-spot is prostate which can be stimulated directly thru ur a$$. You can reach the orgasm which, people say, comes in waves and feels way better than just stroking your shaft. I've never tried it. Will do, probably Try it! No reason to be ashamed. I'm sure you would moan like a sissy gril.
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#194 to #12 - zmranger ONLINE (10/29/2015) [-]
Obbligatory honorary mention.
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#55 to #10 - bakista (10/28/2015) [-]
If ever you get a girlfriend one day, try anal and come back.
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User avatar #76 to #10 - valax (10/28/2015) [-]
How old are you?
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#77 to #76 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
20
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User avatar #79 to #77 - valax (10/28/2015) [-]
Did you switch to anon so you don't get -thumbs?
I'm not going to shame you for it, just want to know if you're beastmawd.
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#81 to #79 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
its me
if i wanted red thumbs i would login
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User avatar #83 to #81 - valax (10/28/2015) [-]
Where are you from? What kind of an environment did you grow up in? Were your parents homophobic/serious about people behaving according to their gender norms and such?

I'm just curious as to why you'd end up being so annoyed by people not behaving as the society in the past would expect them to behave.
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#85 to #83 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
check out my profile and you'll see that im was not being srs
most ppl from my country share 'my' views above
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User avatar #86 to #85 - valax (10/28/2015) [-]
Ah, you were just thralling.
Alright.
Where are you from? If I may ask
Thanks for clearing things up for me.
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#88 to #86 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
croatia. Nice place. People can be really nice too. Unless you're different in one way or another
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User avatar #89 to #88 - valax (10/28/2015) [-]
Is the culture very Greek?
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#90 to #89 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
greek as in...
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User avatar #66 to #10 - elementfall (10/28/2015) [-]
"shiet isnt natural"
Because computer and clothes grow in the wild apparently,so it's "natural"
Srs,that argument is total ********
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User avatar #78 to #66 - valax (10/28/2015) [-]
That's a fun argument.
Computers and clothes.. o:

But, uh. Homosexuality's not that uncommon in other animals.
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User avatar #24 to #10 - sircrocodile ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
Dude. Just. Be a real man and just learn to not give a **** . why does hearing gay **** make you cringe? Right now these things upset you. But eventually this stuff will hopefully not phase you. The earlier the better. If you can put an image of some ahrdcore gay **** in your mind and not be effected by it. Then you're the real man. Be strong!
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User avatar #21 to #10 - italianfrosttroll (10/28/2015) [-]
If ass ******* isn't natural then you may want to take that up with dozens of species of animals that seem to think so. But clearly you know better than the beings that live off of their instincts and nature. Not to mention I've met manly ass gays that could probably twist you into a pretzel.
Sounds like you're pretty far in the closet honestly.
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User avatar #9 to #7 - platinumaltaria (10/28/2015) [-]
I means you're biased against them. I wonder why that could be?
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User avatar #26 to #9 - thelastamerican (10/28/2015) [-]
Not that this is actually related to the conversation, but why did homophobe become a word to describe a person who does not agree with homosexuals? I mean... phobe is specifically used to describe fear. Some people don't fear homosexuals, but they're still called a homophobe because they disagree with the life.
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User avatar #44 to #26 - thesovereigngrave (10/28/2015) [-]
Because "phobia" doesn't just mean "fear". It can also be used to describe dislike or aversion. For example, the term "hydrophobic" describes substances that are 'repelled' by water, such as oil. Essentially, -phobe is the opposite of -phile.
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User avatar #60 to #44 - thelastamerican (10/28/2015) [-]
True, and it's an excellent point, but when its brought up it seems like people are using in the context of a mental disorder, and that brings me back to fear. I don't know, I just think it's odd that we decided that homophobe was the best word to use for people who don't like gay people.
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User avatar #56 to #44 - satansferret (10/28/2015) [-]
Go you!
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User avatar #30 to #9 - trollmobile (10/28/2015) [-]
put him on hide-all, he's just a spamming troll account.
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User avatar #193 to #5 - tarabostes (10/29/2015) [-]
>platinumaltaria is so stupid she can't tell that this beastmawd is baiting






Nothin' new here....
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#58 to #4 - sneperker (10/28/2015) [-]
Comment Picture
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#104 to #4 - bann (10/28/2015) [-]
>Paris attacks

Killing others is not within the grounds of your protected freedoms
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#100 to #4 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
I'm a racist homophobic asshole, but even your comment was retarded enough to make me side with the ******* and sand ******* .
The thing is they're not peacefully protesting they're causing massive issues and crime. They are the reason I'm such a bigot or whatever you wanna call me. Ship all illegals and foreign a back where they came from and segregate every race, it's the only way in this absolute **** society that we can have relative peace until ********* start acting rational.
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User avatar #64 to #4 - foxxywithpaws (10/28/2015) [-]
They also have the right to **** off to a different country that shares their barbaric beliefs instead of trying to force their ****** Shariah law on us.

I'm from the Netherlands and a liberal socialist, but **** the muslims trying to change my country to reflect their ****** views.
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#94 to #4 - adrixtheslayer (10/28/2015) [-]
**adrixtheslayer used "*roll picture*"**
**adrixtheslayer rolled image**Keep scrolling, only braincell loss is the result of reading this
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#153 to #67 - hpcghia (10/29/2015) [-]
Here, have this.
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User avatar #174 to #153 - mcmanybucks (10/29/2015) [-]
thankayoooo
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#189 to #4 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
ill just say what everyone is thinking:
Any ******* muslim country you go to, either you adjust to their customs or you **** off.
there are even behavior police where when women dont cover up adequately they get beaten with stick until they do. If you even mention building a church in one of those countries they will not only laugh at you they will tell you to be very careful with such thoughts or you might get stoned.
look at any first world country and you have one ******* mosk after the other, you get treated like the last piece of **** if you say anything against it and are instantly a racist nazi piece of scum eventhough almost everyone thinks the same, so **** off you ******* turban cocksucker!
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#138 to #4 - nerfhead (10/29/2015) [-]
its the part where they force islam and their traditions and cultures on everyone. if its not ok for others to do it, its not ok for muslims to
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User avatar #109 to #4 - superflyingcookie (10/28/2015) [-]
The bait is real
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User avatar #39 to #1 - lotengo ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
Aboutaleb is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
The more influence he gets, the more his inner muslim is starting to show.
He wants to draw more power and control for his city at the expence of the national government.
He claims the national government is an obstacle to economical growth, he wants to have a say over the small tows that surround Rotterdam.

Also, when Geert Wilders states the exact same message, he gets frowned upon.
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User avatar #95 to #39 - talpss (10/28/2015) [-]
But what does that have to do with Islam?
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User avatar #96 to #95 - lotengo ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
the more influential islam becomes in a country, the more demands they make.
Plus, what he states in the content is a lie. There are several people who traveled to Syria to fight along side of ISIS that returned to Rotterdam that are still in Rotterdam evn as we speak.

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#99 to #1 - splyt (10/28/2015) [-]
i don't know what based means
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#142 to #1 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
wtf does based even mean?
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#152 to #142 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Based

Just in case anons cant link.

"Is when you dont care what people think
its a way of life
Doing what you want
how u want
wearing what u want
the LV book bag looks gay on you
idc im based"

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User avatar #20 - chrisel (10/28/2015) [-]
He said something like ''Rot toch lekker op''. Although that is rather impolite it is nowhere near '' **** off'' but more like ''get out of here''
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#23 to #20 - rimbo (10/28/2015) [-]
A lightly milder way of saying 'get the **** out' is how I would put it,
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User avatar #40 to #23 - lotengo ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
Its more like 'get lost'
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#74 - marcx ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
i agree with this. your migrating to a country or are a refugee. You are entering someone elses country respect their customs and ways. dont complain and try to make them change there ways to match the country u left.

U enter another mans house u respect his rules. If u dont like it leave.
Sweden should have done this instead of being extra neutrak
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User avatar #97 to #74 - leonhardt (10/28/2015) [-]
Unless they're mexicans swarming into America.
Then it's insensitive if you expect them to speak English!
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User avatar #129 to #97 - bodeejus (10/28/2015) [-]
Actually I work with and have a lot of Mexican people as customers. Most I have encountered speak at least a little English, or are actively trying to learn it. They know for certain jobs and activities you need to at least know a little English. I feel like the people who complain about this is small. Most Mexican people know to get further in their jobs and life here, they should learn English because most people speak it here. I also know it's beneficial for me to know a little bit of Spanish since I live in California and we have a lot of immigrants.
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User avatar #111 to #97 - ronyx (10/28/2015) [-]
I really don't care if they speak English, unless I'm talking to one directly. Hell, half of Americans can barely speak properly, specially white trash and ******* .
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User avatar #118 to #111 - heartlessrobot (10/28/2015) [-]
I don't hear people talking **** on the Scottish for doing that.
Or the Austrailians.
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User avatar #119 to #118 - ronyx (10/28/2015) [-]
I don't get your point
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User avatar #120 to #119 - heartlessrobot (10/28/2015) [-]
It doesn't matter that they have their own dialect of English, at least they speak english in an english speaking country.
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User avatar #122 to #120 - ronyx (10/28/2015) [-]
Also the US doesn't have an official language and since it's America everyone has the right to speak or not speak whatever they want. People get butthurt over **** that doesn't affect them at all.
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User avatar #121 to #120 - ronyx (10/28/2015) [-]
Uh yea I would rather some people say they don't speak English rather than spend the next 30 deciphering whatwhat they're tryingsay. It's bad enough when Asians or Africans are talking to add more thick accents.
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#110 to #97 - revelent ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
It's not insensitive to expect them to speak english, but it is if they're talking between themselves and you just barge in, in a conversation you shouldn't have any sort of interest in in the first place, and yell at them to do so.
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#102 to #97 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
pretty sure they have the right to speak their language.

i mean we do this **** too all the time, but when someone does it against us, were xenophobes
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#25 - maddboiy (10/28/2015) [-]
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#59 - kingdaniel ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
I'm Dutch and saw it on Television and I have to say that's kinda ******** . He said in Dutch "Rot toch op" which is isn't as rude as " **** off" it's means more like "Buzz off"

He's a mayor, he has to keep it clean.
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#72 to #59 - marcx ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
if he could say **** off bloody cunts he would have
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User avatar #61 to #59 - nanako ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
wtf happened in that video
context pls
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User avatar #65 to #61 - kingdaniel ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
This dutch lady is demonstrating the fact that too many refugees (1400) are being placed in her village (Oranje) where only 140 people reside. The car (BMW) she's standing for, is the Minister of Immigration's vehicle
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User avatar #199 to #65 - nanako ONLINE (10/29/2015) [-]
those numbers are insane
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User avatar #84 to #61 - enlightednatzie (10/28/2015) [-]
Whale wars
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#146 - kanadetenshi ONLINE (10/29/2015) [-]
I'm from The Netherlands. This guy is part of the Labour Party.

The fact that a ******* Marrocan born muslim from a left-wing party has to be the one who is now defending our own ******* culture says a lot about the multiculturalist ******** Europeans are facing now.
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#149 - thatawesomesexyguy (10/29/2015) [-]
subliminal messaging. wake up america.
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User avatar #3 - distortedflare ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
Why can't we just bomb the ever living **** out of ISIS and the likes and just put him in charge.
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User avatar #164 to #3 - toosexyforyou (10/29/2015) [-]
When you have so much power, you tend to pity the weak even if they try to harm you.
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User avatar #165 to #164 - distortedflare ONLINE (10/29/2015) [-]
True and I can't even say bomb just them because ISIS and the sorts hide amongst the innocent so america is more hesitant to attack.
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User avatar #166 to #165 - toosexyforyou (10/29/2015) [-]
If the EU had a pair of balls it would be easier to rough them up.
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User avatar #167 to #166 - distortedflare ONLINE (10/29/2015) [-]
Maybe.
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User avatar #6 to #3 - platinumaltaria (10/28/2015) [-]
Because that would kill millions of innocent people.
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User avatar #54 to #6 - heartlessrobot (10/28/2015) [-]
Like setting the field on fire to kill the weeds.
Yeah, it would work, but it would **** up a lot of **** .
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#69 to #6 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
"innocent"

Besides, collateral damage happens in war, no matter how hard you try to avoid it. You're best bet is to end the war sooner to minimize the timeframe in which it can happen at all.
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#105 to #69 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
Ah, the age old "Im too stupid to figure out an actual solution to a problem, so I'll just resort to the simplest violent act and that will totally not cause more problem"

**** off moron.
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#91 to #69 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
When those "goshdurn muzlins" take over your neighborhood, I hope the local police and/or military take your advice.
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User avatar #162 to #91 - distortedflare ONLINE (10/29/2015) [-]
Last time those "gosh darn" Muslims came to Scotland we beat one to near death whilst he was on fire. Why because he tried to bomb Glasgow airport. They have had the brain power not to attempt that **** again with people that will kick the ever living **** out of them if they try that **** .
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#70 to #69 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
*your
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User avatar #143 to #6 - furiousmarshmellow (10/29/2015) [-]
*cough*Vietnam*cough*
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User avatar #11 to #3 - willindor (10/28/2015) [-]
Do you have any idea how hard it is to find a good mayor here?
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#28 - goldfangz (10/28/2015) [-]
maybe theres still hope
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User avatar #101 - ldial ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
Yet when Trump talks about free loading immigrants he is racist. Seems legit.
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#103 to #101 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
he's white tho
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#125 to #103 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
white ppl can't be racist hurdur.
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#106 to #101 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
1-Ahmed Aboutaleb is a Muslim himself
2-he has largely assimilated (aside from his religion, but you cant expect people to change their faith on command)
3-He is telling the Muslims in his country who make things ****** for the locals to **** off.

A different scenario than Trump. If Marko Rubio or Ted (Rafael) Cruz said the things Trump has, there would be no issue.
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User avatar #173 to #101 - taniv (10/29/2015) [-]
There's a difference
Trump: "Mexico is sending rapists", "some are good people, I assume"
This Mayor: "Fellow Muslims who don't like the idea of freedom should leave".
One paints a government with malicious intent yes, that is what he intended, he defended his remarks by saying that he heard from a US border guard that's what they were doing and implies that the majority of Mexican-Americans are not good people.
The other addresses an ethnically related group of people, but he specifies that he's only speaking to those who are causing problems or will cause problems. If he said "Islam sends us terrorists" or "Islamic people are murdering us", he'd probably get some more flack.

Illegal immigration is a problem and so is terrorism. Mexicans and Muslims are not the problem. If and when Trump says "Illegal immigrants are ruining this country", while he's being dramatic, he's not being racist because it doesn't paint an entire ethnic group with a single stroke, but instead talks specifically about hte population of people taht are causing problems.
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User avatar #114 to #101 - pleuradispensor ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
he's not brown so he's racist by default
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#108 to #101 - lordraine (10/28/2015) [-]
Well, obviously. According to leftists and the media, only white people can be racist.

White people aren't allowed to have Anglo Pride or European Pride. They can't want to preserve their own culture or protect the integrity of their own race. Everyone else is, but not them. When asians want asian communities and asian families with asian culture and religion, free of outside influence, that's empowering and progressive. When whites want white communities and white families with white culture and religion, free of outside influence, that's dangerous and evil and needs to be stamped out with some involuntary immigrant relocation to enrich the area.

It's going to be a very interesting day when the shrill accusation of "racist" stops holding any meaning or value from overuse.

Buy a gun.
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User avatar #123 to #108 - Ruspanic (10/28/2015) [-]
White people can be proud of their heritage. But your heritage isn't "white", it's whatever European country your ancestors came from. There's no such thing as "white culture" or "white religion", because if you know anything about history, Europe has always been a fractured and multiethnic continent with everyone fighting everyone else.
I'm Russian-American. I speak Russian with my family, I decorated my college dorm with a Russian flag, and if I wanted to I could start a Russian Students Association without any controversy. Or even an East European club. Most of my classmates here are more liberal than I am, but no one would take issue with that.

The Asian students on campus don't have an "Asian Club", because like Europe, Asia is a diverse continent full of people who don't necessarily associate with each other. Though America lumps all of them together as "Asians", my university has specific student organizations for Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, Singaporean and South Asian students. They each have their own cultural events. Outside the college campus, one rarely sees generic "Asian" communities. What you do have are "Chinatowns" and "Koreatowns" and even Vietnamese or Hmong communities that live together but do not mingle much with other Asian groups.

The reason Black Americans are all simply "black" is because, generally speaking, they lost their African heritage when their ancestors came to the US as slaves. Most black Americans don't know which country their ancestors were taken from and even if they do, have little to no knowledge of the culture of that African country. But for those who are of recent African or Afro-Caribbean origin, there are organizations and neighborhoods specifically for them.

When there is such a phenomenon as "Asian" pride in the US, it's either because 1) East Asians are a small enough minority that splitting it up further would create very small, marginalized groups; 2) they have enough in common cross-culturally to distinguish themselves from Americans as a whole; and/or 3) the people forming such groups are Westernized Asian-Americans whose "original" cultural heritage has become diluted to the point that being perceived as racially "Asian" has a larger impact on their lives than whatever culture their parents or grandparents came from.

White people are the majority and have no need for such special interest groups. "White culture" in the US is simply American culture.

Enough with your goddamn victim complex.
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#176 to #123 - taniv (10/29/2015) [-]
You just dropped hella wisdom man. Glad to see the rationale there. Being proud to be British, Spanish, German excluding years 1939-1945 of course , Canadian, American, or even French Portugese is supported, and actually pretty popular in modern days. I've met black people who know their heritage, and I can tell you, they would much rather be seen as Jamaican, or Kenyan, or Tanzanian, than "black", but that's the brush North American has been painting them with and most of the black community don't know their roots except for the continent of Africa.

Not to mention "Black Pride" and "Gay Pride" movements were responses to direct and obvious oppression, but that's a whole different ********* to get into.
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#163 to #123 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
alright, I can agree with that


it's not letting me reply to your other comment
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#157 to #123 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
""White culture" in the US is simply American culture."



So.....naturally....I have the right, as an American..... to influence this culture in the direction I choose.....Like everyone else.

Meaning, if I don't like sagging pants or the thug look, i'm allowed to want a city without that, no? I feel like you're contradicting yourself. then again I hardly paid attention. It seemed like you were legitimizing your culture because you're russian and then slamming everyone else because they don't have a specific European identity
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User avatar #160 to #157 - Ruspanic (10/29/2015) [-]
Yes, of course you have the right to influence your own culture. You don't have the right to actually stop people from dressing a certain way if they want, but you can attempt to promote your desired cultural norms. Of course.

All I meant is that there's not really an identifiable "white" culture that's distinct from the overall culture of the US. They're the one and same. On the other hand, there certainly are minority subcultures within the US, including minority subcultures of white European groups.
It's not politically incorrect for a white person to take pride in his heritage, it's just that usually that heritage is specific European ancestry rather than "whiteness".

I'm not making any claims about the "superiority" or "legitimacy" of having a European identity, I'm just recounting what I've observed. White Americans who are proud of their nationality/ethnicity identify either as Americans, or as Russian-/Italian-/German-/Greek-Americans. In practice. They don't think about being white in the same way that most straight people don't think about being straight, unless it's specifically pointed out to them.
White people who do pride themselves on being white are the ones who feel threatened by nonwhite minorities and foreigners.
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#159 to #157 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
Okay, I actually went back and read it all.

Not having a specific culture to tie myself to doesn't eliminate my freedom to have opinions of others or to find their cultures offensive or more importantly oppressive and controlling .

Even if I can't celebrate my culture, because I supposedly don't have one which is false because there is an american culture. Like the obsessive love of football or the 4th of july, or thanksgiving, and i'm sure there are other specific american things that other countries don't share I still have the right to point to a group and say that one part of their culture or another is doing something wrong. It could be small things like price gouging another group, and it could scale all the away up to accusing them of sexual misconduct and so many other things. I find myself thinking middle-eastern cultures are a safe haven for pedophiles and I certainly have the freedom to at least voice a concern without being immediately branded a racist and ignored.
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#147 to #123 - lordraine (10/29/2015) [-]
'white people aren't even real'

Is this some new SJW meme from Tumblr or leddit? Is this how you justify it? It's okay to **** on these people and deny them the pride of their heritage afforded to everyone else because they aren't even a real people? Do you even listen to yourself sometimes, or is the cognative dissonance just too huge?

'implying that America is not just as diverse as China, beyond everyone (mostly) speaking the same language'

'implying a world where saying "I'm proud to be black" is fine but "I'm proud to be white" is not is fair'

'implying the majority cannot have a culture or defend it'

I can't help but wonder if you would be saying any of this if it wasn't America and whites we were talking about, here. Would you go to Japan and tell them this, that they don't have the right to defend their culture because they aren't even really real?

I doubt it. Hell, you clearly are uneducated on the subject. You claim we don't know where American blacks even came from, which is why they "lost their identity." A flat-out falsehood. If they are former slaves, then they are West African. In fact, around 80% of them belonged to the same three tribes.

Typical liberal nonsense, moving the goalposts to avoid admitting the truth. You don't know the first thing on the subject, but weasel words to try and make the truth fit your desired narrative, which is that it's okay for the alledged little guy to "punch up," but it is never okay for the alledged big guy to "punch down." Every minority can have and defend a culture, but the (white) majority cannot, and it is evil if they do. In fact, they aren't even a real race or people, and don't even have a real culture.

That's socal justice. It's a construct of Marxism. It is a lie created by Communism, because Communism only works if there is no culture or differences between people besides skin color and sexual organs. You claim to be Russian? You should ask an older Russian how that turned out for them sometime. There's a reason your parents or grandparents live here, and not over there.

And you think I have a victim complex? You need to check your own privilege. And maybe think for yourself and do some of your own independent research and fact-checking before vomiting whatever rhetoric your sociology professor taught you onto the internet.
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User avatar #154 to #147 - Ruspanic (10/29/2015) [-]
What are you on about? I didn't say white people aren't real, I said they don't have a shared identity, for the most part. They're a diverse category of people encompassing a wide variety of cultures, countries, languages, religions, ethnicities and histories. There's not just one "White-esia" that all white people come from.

America is much more diverse than China, but white people are the dominant culture in the US, so they usually don't give much thought to being white, in the same way that Ethiopians probably give little thought to being black, in everyday situations. In the US, most white people either just think of themselves as Americans, or as "Italian-Americans" or "Polish-Americans" or whatever their specific ethnic background is. Being white is just taken for granted. Actual "white nationalists" are rare.

People should be able to say what they want and it's not fair that they can't, but that's a relatively minor issue in this case.

The majority does have a culture and it does defend it. It's called American culture. America and Canada are a bit unusual because those nationalities aren't related to ethnicity, but in countries that do have a shared ethnic origin they do also defend their cultures, and they have full right to do it.

My point about American black people is that they no longer have any tie to their ancestors' African culture, and the average black person doesn't know his ancestry before slavery and certainly doesn't maintain their African culture. Black Americans act as though "black" is a single ethnicity because in recent American history they do all have a shared culture and history, regardless of which African tribe they're descended from.

I never said anything about punching up or down, you're putting words in my mouth here. I'm not a progressive or a social justice warrior or a Marxist or a Communist or a feminist. I suspect you make those assumptions because you're used to arguing with caricatures of who you think your opponents are, i.e. straw men.

My thoughts are my own.
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#200 to #154 - lordraine (10/29/2015) [-]
'white people dont have a shared identity because I said so'

'what is America'

'what is white people from all over the world coming together and giving up their previous identities to create a new one'
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User avatar #201 to #200 - Ruspanic (10/29/2015) [-]
As I said several times, white people in America identify as either Americans or [insert country]-Americans, not as "whites".
White culture in the US is simply called "American culture". Most white people don't really think about being white.

When the average white American sees another white American, they don't feel any particular attachment to that person. He's not "my brother" or "my kinsman", he's just "that guy over there". We don't give thought to their race because being white is basically just "normal", by virtue of being the majority.
By contrast, many black people literally refer to each other as "brothers" and "sisters", and essentially give special treatment to people of their own race whenever they're among other races. The same is true of other minorities, simply because they're minorities. I spent about six months in China last year and yes, I did feel a special connection to other white people or Westerners that I saw, because they were rare enough to stand out and because I felt like we had a shared experience as foreigners in China. This was even more the case if those they were English-speakers. It's essentially the "in-the-same-boat" phenomenon.

The reason you care about being white and "white pride" while living in a white-majority country is because you feel threatened by minorities.
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#115 - thearcher (10/28/2015) [-]
Could really use some of that attitude over here....
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#73 - cameraguy (10/28/2015) [-]
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User avatar #132 - esmebuffay (10/29/2015) [-]
Can anyone tell me why so many of these refugees are men? I heard like 80% or something like that, almost no women or children. Why is that?
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#155 to #132 - sacrilegious (10/29/2015) [-]
Because usually they send people to work (yeah, yeah, I know, sand ******* don't work). The man can save up and bring his family over later.

Families would send their sons, not their daughters, basically.
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#192 to #132 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
That myth has been debunked. Women and children make up 3/4 of the refugees. Source on statistics:
data.unhcr.org/syrianrefugees/syria.php

"UNHCR’s data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age 18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age group make up 21.8 percent... The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6."
source: www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/

The "80% male" myth comes from a much more specific statistic- the number of migrants arriving by sea. They represent only a small fraction of the refugees, but sensationalists and dishonest bigots are trying to claim those figures represent the entire refugee population- they do not.

"We have seen a different set of UNHCR numbers cited on a few conservative websites — figures for refugees and migrants who have tried to enter Europe by crossing the Mediterranean Sea. There have been more than 400,000 such “sea arrivals” in 2015, and 51 percent are Syrian. The rest have come mainly from nine other countries. Most of these refugees and migrants have been men — 72 percent — but these are not figures on Syrian refugees or even solely the 200,000-some Syrians who have been willing to take some type of boat to reach Europe by sea."
source : www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/
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User avatar #134 to #132 - legoseed ONLINE (10/29/2015) [-]
Sand people don't give half a **** about women or children
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#141 to #137 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
u wot?
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#156 to #137 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
A pretty graph, with no cited sources, and every picture I've seen would contradict it entirely. I'm more likely to believe my eyes than some graph that could be ******** or from something completely unrelated.
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#87 - anon (10/28/2015) [-]
U FKIN WOT M8000
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#179 - aranthusick (10/29/2015) [-]
Its good that these kind of people exist. This is a hard one for the discrimination shouters to crack because hes a muslim from Morocco.

If reform is to come to Islam, it has to come from the inside. These kind of people bring hope.
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#195 to #179 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
I love how some of the politicians act like the politically correct crowd is tying their hands behind their back when most of them don't give a **** about the people and haven't listened to their demands before.
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#181 to #179 - anon (10/29/2015) [-]
>pretend to be muslim
>begin reforming muslims
>convince other activists to do this
problem solved.
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User avatar #182 to #181 - Sinrik (10/29/2015) [-]
holy balls an anon who isn't a piece of **** go you with an interesting idea
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User avatar #52 - thedutchs (10/28/2015) [-]
Kind of what I feel like right now.

Just get out. If You Don't Like America, Then You Can Get Out - South Park
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#75 - lmOldGreg ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
tfw mudslime
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#71 - infinitereaper (10/28/2015) [-]
Is there still hope for brother Europe?
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User avatar #80 to #71 - Einsty ONLINE (10/28/2015) [-]
V4 stronk
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