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User avatar #42 - gijigsaw (11/29/2013) [-]
God that ******* irritates me so ******* much. To think how ******* stupid people are. I'm Christian, but I believe that evolution is real, just caused by God. It truly makes me sad to know that there are people out there who truly believe that the earth is 6000 years old and God created the Earth in 7 days. Just the ignorance of people is so ******* irritating. The Bible is not scientific fact. It is a guideline, a rulebook almost, using stories to make more sense to you (originally the people it was meant to teach way ******* back when) but is not meant to be taken literally. It's like Jesus' teachings. He used parables. He didn't actually want you to cut your ******* eye out if you looked at someone lustfully. He's just saying "Don't look at people lustfully". Go **** yourselves all you stupid **** ignorant Christians who won't listen to any type of reason and obviously have no sort of any Bible study or experience,
A fellow ******* Christian.
#727 to #42 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
pst, macrosopic evolution is a hypothesis. its the microscopic portion thats a theory.
#614 to #42 - daisuke (11/29/2013) [-]
How can you still believe in god and jesus if you think evolution is real. If you believe in evolution you believe in science and therefore you believe that humans dont have free will. Any religion states that humans have a choice; you have to ask for forgiveness for something you didnt choose, (you didnt choose your life, and the mere concept of conciousness states that you are just a simulation, stating that "you" dont have freewill would be contradicting my previous statement, but i dont have any way to put it in words)
The fact that we as humans think we have freewill and that we want the best for ourselves is just a part of our evolution and that we have to care about ourselves first. We are somewhat lonedogs in that sense compared to ants for example.

The randomized factors in my life has led me to write this, this isnt my choice, but as a human i have to be able to express my point of view. If you get upset i understand, you didnt choose your life or feelings either.
#802 to #614 - fnoogernooger (11/29/2013) [-]
mfw reading your post.    
   
Initial reactions aside, I, being a Protestant Christian, believe that God caused all of the "random" genetic changes which led to human beings and that He is "in the details" as the saying goes; we have choice in our lives (which most religions actually believe in, sorry to have to correct you there) and the choices which God makes are the ones which are only controllable by a supreme, divine being.    
   
I'm not up for much of a debate tonight, but if you have a simple question I'll answer it.   
   
Further reading for your betterification: Descartes' Meditations. Start at the first meditation, and actually read through up until the sixth. Around the 4th he proves how God can exist in a scientific world.
mfw reading your post.

Initial reactions aside, I, being a Protestant Christian, believe that God caused all of the "random" genetic changes which led to human beings and that He is "in the details" as the saying goes; we have choice in our lives (which most religions actually believe in, sorry to have to correct you there) and the choices which God makes are the ones which are only controllable by a supreme, divine being.

I'm not up for much of a debate tonight, but if you have a simple question I'll answer it.

Further reading for your betterification: Descartes' Meditations. Start at the first meditation, and actually read through up until the sixth. Around the 4th he proves how God can exist in a scientific world.
#835 to #813 - fnoogernooger (11/30/2013) [-]
He sounds very Neo-Freudian. I disagree with Freud's philosophy. Auguste Comte has a very interesting Law of Three Stages which discusses why not rejecting religion is necessary for a society which wants to continue advancements.
He sounds very Neo-Freudian. I disagree with Freud's philosophy. Auguste Comte has a very interesting Law of Three Stages which discusses why not rejecting religion is necessary for a society which wants to continue advancements.
User avatar #568 to #42 - gunthar (11/29/2013) [-]
my parents are really religious my mom even more; yet she belives in evolution and doesnt care about gay people, she goes every week to church and prays every night. My dad is a really smart and rational guy so i have asked him a few times why he believes in god, he told me that all the science only makes him believe more in a god because something so beautiful and perfect as nature can only in his opinion come from something bigger than us
User avatar #550 to #42 - sandez (11/29/2013) [-]
Wow how can you be so quick to dismiss her views but still believe in a God without evidence? You are both equally foolhardy.

>Gets irritated by people believing in creationism
>Believes a God created everything

One doesn't "believe" in evolution like you say, evolution is FACT. No amount of faith or believe in evolution or any other path of life is relevant because evolution did happen and is ongoing.
#542 to #42 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
you are my hero
#539 to #42 - furiousmarshmellow (11/29/2013) [-]
You're a good man.
You're a good man.
User avatar #532 to #42 - jukuku (11/29/2013) [-]
You think the driving proponent in evolution is god gradually changing species? Or you believe that god set the universe in motion. Also do you believe in the big bang or not?
User avatar #496 to #42 - datlaugh (11/29/2013) [-]
Amen to that.
#485 to #42 - keybladewarrior (11/29/2013) [-]
THIS. ALL OF IT.
THIS. ALL OF IT.
#386 to #42 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
By that same token though, why don't you believe that Natural Selection (not chance, or some intelligent designer), causes evolution?
#382 to #42 - rakaka (11/29/2013) [-]
FINALLY THERE IS SOMEONE ELSE

I like to think that the Bible is what you say as well as the story of how Christianity came to be, just like the Torah is the story for Judaism
User avatar #356 to #42 - kilik (11/29/2013) [-]
well christianity actually accepts evolution, just not the Origin Of Species
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#501 to #350 - pimpelipom (11/29/2013) [-]
You are making some sense but...

Science doesn't come up with solutions, it comes up with EXPLANATIONS. There are no problems to be solved, only mysteries to be explained.
#368 to #350 - thecrayzeeman (11/29/2013) [-]
How do you explain dinosaurs then?

I know, weak argument, but come on.

I swear, if you say Satan put them there to throw us off, or that God put them there to test us, I will invent a way to slap you through the internet.
#346 to #42 - TexMex (11/29/2013) [-]
As an Atheist, you're the guy I like. Nice job being a good person.
As an Atheist, you're the guy I like. Nice job being a good person.
#344 to #42 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
I like you.
#338 to #42 - theplogyr (11/29/2013) [-]
You're not a Christian, you're an uncultured and delusional piece of **** who refuses to stop being stupid. Do you know what "Christian" even means? It does not mean to simply follow randomly selected moral values from the New Testament, but actually respecting the Bible a s a whole, thinking everything written in there is real, especially the existence of Jesus of Nazareth and his Divine nature. He actual;ly wanted you to cut your ******* eye out, because most people in the Bible were immoral, primitive pieces of **** .

TL;DR JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK KILLING AND STEALING ARE BAD, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE A CHRSTIAN, EDUCATE YOURSELF, YOU PIECE OF **** !
#330 to #42 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
You're not a christian. You have your own interpretation of the bible, Jesus and god. Religion is nothing more but a group of deluded idiots.

You say that evolution is caused by god. That's like saying evolution is caused by Santa. Both are fictional characters. If I said that I believed the world was created by a tiny communist duck with a top hat, you'd probably laugh at me and call me crazy. Claiming that god exists is just as crazy. You claim knowledge of a being that you also claim you know nothing about and no one can possible know anything about. That's crazy.

If religion never happened, and someone today explained to a doctor what god was, they'd be put in a mental institution. Why? Because it's crazy.

I apologize for this short argument, I can't do much more with the character limit.
#369 to #330 - thatsadpotato **User deleted account** (11/29/2013) [-]
you're focusing more on trying to make religion look bad and awful than trying to make your simple opinion on it instead.
User avatar #328 to #42 - iamaniceperson (11/29/2013) [-]
Now let's see all the angry Atheist rage over another tough!
#279 to #42 - erooo (11/29/2013) [-]
Are you ******* right now? Good for you mate.
User avatar #261 to #42 - eddio (11/29/2013) [-]
Amen, brother. You're my kinda guy.
#243 to #42 - theincrediblelegs (11/29/2013) [-]
You are just as bad as those people, you are ignorant to have a belief with no evidence to support it. It is fine if someone wishes something was true but it is irrational to use faith as a means of believing something so important.
User avatar #349 to #243 - TexMex (11/29/2013) [-]
I think it's fine because he won't hurt anyone, just by believing in God. Y'know he doesn't deny facts, he just adds beliefs.
User avatar #240 to #42 - finni (11/29/2013) [-]
Yeah 7 days is really stupid. God is way more badass than that. He did it in 6 days and then chilled for a hole day.

i'm just trying to be funny, can't blame a guy for trying
User avatar #237 to #42 - blbrian (11/29/2013) [-]
Who's christian and why are you ******* him, you perverted fellow?
#233 to #42 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
Well said, I couldn't agree with you more.
User avatar #220 to #42 - tittentei (11/29/2013) [-]
Instant top comment in discussion about evolution: "I'm a Christian, but..."
#207 to #42 - fnnijnkpls (11/29/2013) [-]
Thank you!, This is exactly like my words.
I just can't understand how some people can't understand that bible is written by men, and it is written using parables and myths, just to clarify its teachings to more easily to
their own time contemporaries. But what they did not take account of that it looks like the evolution is going backwards and future people are getting more stupid...
User avatar #192 to #42 - robertolee (11/29/2013) [-]
I honestly believe organised religion as a whole is the most arrogant thing humans have ever done. An organised religion actually tells me what God meant and what Jesus meant when they have no idea what he meant, there are a million different interpretations I could take from the bible but the fact that another human is telling me what the creator of the universe meant when they only have their own interpretation and they're telling me their word is the word of God is the height of human arrogance.

I would prefer if all organised religions just disbanded and humans worshipped separately or in groups, religion for me is a very personal thing and I don't need another person telling me what religion means to me.
User avatar #190 to #42 - toosexyforyou (11/29/2013) [-]
As much as I found her annoying and stupid, she can believe whatever she wants. It would not be fair to tell her that she can't have her own version of the bible when every other Christian has their own version.
User avatar #269 to #190 - feffog (11/29/2013) [-]
she does but she doesnt have the right to erase it from school books and replace evolution studies with creationism
User avatar #180 to #42 - womd (11/29/2013) [-]
I like you.
User avatar #171 to #42 - sockswithsandals (11/29/2013) [-]
i like you
#148 to #42 - publicservice (11/29/2013) [-]
Muslim here, I'm with you bro on what you had said.
User avatar #552 to #148 - pwnigator (11/29/2013) [-]
I'm right there with you. Good to see a muslim, who isn't going: "You'll burn in hell for living a sinful life!" I can't stand islamists. Greetings from a fellow muslim from germany.
#553 to #552 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
Don't suppose you could answer some questions and clear up some misconceptions I have about Islam? I'm terrified of Islam and all the scare stories you see on the media and whatnot.
User avatar #555 to #553 - pwnigator (11/29/2013) [-]
You see, these people, terrifying the world and telling everyone islam is the only real religion and that they will go to hell for not being muslim, aren't muslims in the eyes of most of our religion. Islam means peace, and that is the way of life, I live.
#559 to #555 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
What is your take on non-muslims? It states quite a lot in the quran to kill them this is what is scary.
User avatar #712 to #559 - pwnigator (11/29/2013) [-]
As I said, Islam means peace. Living peacefully and killing people who are non-muslims sounds a bit paradox, doesn't it?
User avatar #831 to #712 - publicservice (11/30/2013) [-]
I think 99.9% of people believe they have the right to defend themselves and their family. We Muslims have the same right whether they be Muslim or not. That whole part of the Qur'an is to tell people that it's permissible to kill if absolutely necessary. If people read the aya (line after) it talks about how peace is the preferable solution.
#85 to #42 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
thank you for being a rational Christian. This is representative of myself, and 90% of all other Christian's beliefs.
User avatar #324 to #85 - admiralen (11/29/2013) [-]
"rational"
he decides to believe in a christian god, even though he thinks what it says in the bible is ******** .
thus he has no reason to believe in a christian god, even if you think of them as just guidelines, then that means that the god in the bible is just a metaphor as well
#536 to #324 - furiousmarshmellow (11/29/2013) [-]
He doesn't say what's in the Bible is **** .


He's saying it's just a guideline, not a book of facts.


You ******* dumbass.
User avatar #580 to #536 - admiralen (11/29/2013) [-]
if its just a guideline then none of the god **** matters anyway.
since its all just metaphors and **** you should do nothing of it means anything.
its just a dont be a deuchebag guide in that case, and do you really need one?
#650 to #580 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
You are... pretty ******* dumb aren't you?
User avatar #681 to #650 - admiralen (11/29/2013) [-]
says an anon.
really mate, what the hell does your religion mean when you start chosing just the parts you like to be part of it? then why even bother picking an existing one...
just make your own damn religion if you cant follow an existing one
#636 to #580 - furiousmarshmellow (11/29/2013) [-]
...I'm not going to engage in a religious debate. I'm not that low.
...I'm not going to engage in a religious debate. I'm not that low.
User avatar #648 to #636 - klavi (11/29/2013) [-]
Sorry bro, you called someone a ******* dumbass, you better fight it out till the end.
#651 to #648 - anonymous (11/29/2013) [-]
Oh god wow
User avatar #81 to #42 - skullzer (11/29/2013) [-]
youtu.be/pM8QA5ZX6fI
yfw?
couldnt find it in gif format
User avatar #75 to #42 - dharkmoswen ONLINE (11/29/2013) [-]
Thank you with everything that I am.
User avatar #48 to #42 - nommonsterbaa (11/29/2013) [-]
Scary how close that is to what I wanted to say
User avatar #47 to #42 - mrgreatnamess (11/29/2013) [-]
It's funny how the christians who think the bible is literal would say you're the one who has no knowledge of the bible.
User avatar #76 to #47 - dharkmoswen ONLINE (11/29/2013) [-]
And yet most of these people will sit there and say "well look at the parables. Of course he's not being LITERAL" when it benefits them.
User avatar #250 to #76 - mrgreatnamess (11/29/2013) [-]
And they'll just just as right as the person saying it's all parables, metaphores, etc.
User avatar #722 to #250 - dharkmoswen ONLINE (11/29/2013) [-]
And then there's the reasonable people. Some parables mixed in with some facts and all been edited by fallible man
User avatar #50 to #47 - gijigsaw (11/29/2013) [-]
I know it's irritating, especially because I actually have a great knowledge of the Bible. I went to a Catholic school for high school and we had to take 4 years of "theology" which was basically glorified Bible study, instead of actually studying other religions.
User avatar #53 to #50 - mrgreatnamess (11/29/2013) [-]
I wasn't agreeing with you.
I was just pointing out that you could just as easily be a "literal christian" and say the exact same thing about the "non-literal christians" and it would be just as valid as what you just said.

Both sides have interpretation and (I suspect) bible passages to support their case.
Just like the peaceful muslims and the extremist muslims use the same book to justifiy peace/violence.

User avatar #54 to #53 - gijigsaw (11/29/2013) [-]
Well there isn't really much of an argument, because if it was taken literally, the Bible would be completely irrelevant because it contradicts itself so much. It says not to kill, but then it says that whoever does certain things needs to be put to death. So by following the laws of the Bible, you're breaking the laws of the Bible. (And this is the point where most people agree with me.)
User avatar #78 to #54 - dharkmoswen ONLINE (11/29/2013) [-]
Meh, I don't really agree with that argument personally. I think it's because I see a difference between executing someone for wrongdoing/ threatening harm and murdering. The "Do not kill" is more along the lines of Murder whereas "if someone does 'X' wrong, kill them" is more along the lines of execution.

There ARE places where the Bible seems to argue with itself, however. Some can be explained, some can't... and I think that's ok when someone takes the point from the book rather than taking it so literally.
User avatar #58 to #54 - mrgreatnamess (11/29/2013) [-]
I'm sure they've found some way around that
User avatar #61 to #58 - gijigsaw (11/29/2013) [-]
No, not really, and that's where the blind, ignorant faith comes in, denying any logic or reason just cause "the Bible says so". Even the Catholic Church recognizes that it's supposed to be taken metaphorically and applied to our daily life. Also, very few Christians actually fully follow the rules of the Bible, because if there was any Christians who did, every time they wore two different kinds of cloths at the same time, they would have to bathe for 2 days. Also, any time someone committed adultery, they would have to stone them. So even the people that take the Bible literally, don't ACTUALLY take the Bible literally, they're just ignorant assholes.
User avatar #62 to #61 - mrgreatnamess (11/29/2013) [-]
Can't use logic with religion

Also, do you believe in the miraculous jesus?
As in, walking on water, healing sick, removing sin yadda yadda
User avatar #63 to #62 - gijigsaw (11/29/2013) [-]
No, once again I believe that it wasn't supposed to be taken literally, it's just saying that Jesus is divine as well as human because he's a part of the Holy Trinity. It's like the water cycle. H20 is H20 when it's water, and H20 is H20 when it's ice, so God is God when He's God, and God is God when He's Jesus.
User avatar #249 to #63 - mrgreatnamess (11/29/2013) [-]
I'm confused

If you don't believe in anything in the bible, what do you believe and why?
#45 to #42 - delboy (11/29/2013) [-]
That's not very Christian of you.
User avatar #46 to #45 - gijigsaw (11/29/2013) [-]
Or that's not very "what you define as Christian like" of me.
#51 to #46 - delboy (11/29/2013) [-]
yeah pretty much. (I agree with you somewhat and was joking)
User avatar #52 to #51 - gijigsaw (11/29/2013) [-]
Oh okay sorry I was kind of on an anger roll
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