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lean (09/01/2015) [-] Wolves can be trained to cooperate with humans, whereas a dog will submit to humans.
My Grandmother had pet wolves until she died. They were friendly, if a bit standoffish. They never wagged their tails and came running to greet you, but they would come when called and enjoyed being petted and talked to. My grandmother claimed that it isn't the wolf left in domestic dogs that made them attack people unprovoked, it is the human in them. Might be a bit ad hominem, but in 40+ years of having wolves as pets she never had anyone get bitten by them. She kept 2 at a time usually, and said they would never attack someone first unless she initiated it.
My Grandmother had pet wolves until she died. They were friendly, if a bit standoffish. They never wagged their tails and came running to greet you, but they would come when called and enjoyed being petted and talked to. My grandmother claimed that it isn't the wolf left in domestic dogs that made them attack people unprovoked, it is the human in them. Might be a bit ad hominem, but in 40+ years of having wolves as pets she never had anyone get bitten by them. She kept 2 at a time usually, and said they would never attack someone first unless she initiated it.
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xgeneration ONLINE (09/01/2015) [-] **xgeneration used "*roll picture*"**
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Bad ass grandma, was your grandpa a warrior or also a hunter?
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Bad ass grandma, was your grandpa a warrior or also a hunter?
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dracoslade (09/02/2015) [-] wait...are you saying your grandmother had to sic her pet wolves on somebody?
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thechosentroll (09/01/2015) [-] Kind of reminds me of my dog. The whole submission thing is mostly due to how the animal is raised. If ever since it was a puppy a dog has had strict rules enforced, it doesn't really develop any character or personality of its' own, so it acts like a pet. If it lacked said rules (for example, because my parents worked long hours and there was no one to watch me, so they'd leave a dog and a 12-yearold home alone all day, to do what they want), however, the dog actually learns to stand its' ground and develops its' own preferences and character. Which can be an issue, because you then have to actually EARN the dogs' respect instead of just getting it by default. If you manage it, the dog becomes more of a family member than a pet. Which, I assume, is what happened with your grandma and the wolves.
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skarrer (09/02/2015) [-] If my dog ever bit me when he was younger and learning not to bite, I'd get it into a loose headlock(not restricting breathing or anything, just holding him still) and hold my hand in front of its face until it stopped trying to bite my hand and instead licked it, and then I'd let him go. Safe to say he stopped biting me about 4-5 months before the rest of the family. Dogs are much more obedient and friendly if they respect you than if they, as you said, get it as default.
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
i suppose biting from my dogs is my fault. when i play with them i play rough, i let them bite me and i shove them around. so i end up letting no one else play with them do to bite laws and **** , god forbid some one tries to play with them, and he bites a little harder then he should, then there's a law suit and he has to be put down because of the way i like to play with them
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
That can work, but imo its not a great plan. if the dog is actually trying to bite you its going to get worse before it gets better. Then if it has a serious got at biting you and you withdraw you've effectively trained the dog to bite and its going to be that much harder to reverse.
Don't get me wrong, it definitely works. Just not the best way of doing it
Don't get me wrong, it definitely works. Just not the best way of doing it
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
I raised my dog since she was a puppy, and she has never been just a pet. I don't understand why you think training your dog at a young age equals them being lifeless furtoys, but my dog definitely has a personality. She just knows who the alpha is because I ******* spent hours training her to know that I am on top. Dogs don't just come out and instantly become obedient when they are puppies. Pups are ******* testy little ***** .
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thechosentroll (09/02/2015) [-] No, no, I mean strict rules, not any rules. Teaching it not to **** on the carpet is OK. Scolding it whenever it goes into a certain room or on the couch is not.
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DarkAngelLeo (09/01/2015) [-] My dog is a wolf hybrid and honestly she is the best animal I have every been around. We have not so much of a dominating relationship, but a partnership based off of trust. She senses that I trust her and she responds equally to that trust, but if I don't trust her she starts to pick up on it and will begin to be more independent. She also has a distinct personality and we both consider her a person.
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suttballion (09/02/2015) [-]
Are you trying to tell me your grandmother ran around with a pack of wolves getting them to attack others?
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ompalomper (09/01/2015) [-] a study was made about the difference between wolf and dog social behaviors with other wolves/dogs. i don't remember much aside from one thing. when wolves play fight they stopped immediately of the other wolf started indicating fear or pain while the dogs kept going. really shows that wolves are at least more socially competent than dogs
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
totally guessing here but it could also be that the wolves have a lot more at stake ie their lives in the case of injury so it suits them more in an evolutionary fashion to avoid unnecessary injury whenever possible. still, the bottom line comes down to being inbred anyway i guess.
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cormy (09/02/2015) [-] It's not anecdotal, nor is it ad hominem.
What he meant to say was that it might be a bit paraphrased (since he can't recollect the exact words spoken to make a proper quote)
I don't think he embellished the tale enough for it to be considered anecdotal, he was just trying to recall what she said.
What he meant to say was that it might be a bit paraphrased (since he can't recollect the exact words spoken to make a proper quote)
I don't think he embellished the tale enough for it to be considered anecdotal, he was just trying to recall what she said.
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Stamyham ONLINE (09/02/2015) [-] You did read the picture I posted, right? While an anecdote can be a literary device, when one is attempting to use personal experience to make general statements (or as proof in an argument) it is referred to as anecdotal.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal+evidence
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
an·ec·dote
ˈanəkˌdōt/
noun
noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes
a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal+evidence
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
an·ec·dote
ˈanəkˌdōt/
noun
noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes
a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
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mehturtlesareok (09/01/2015) [-] "they would never attack someone first unless she initiated it."
Are you implying she did initiate an attack on someone with her wolves?
Are you implying she did initiate an attack on someone with her wolves?
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acivcrusader (09/02/2015) [-]
And thus, the first canadian police-wolf team came to be.
but seriously, they could easily be used in other things like hunting
but seriously, they could easily be used in other things like hunting
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civilizedwasteland (09/02/2015) [-] did she get rid of them when they got older, cause wolves usually compete to get alpha status
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picamix (09/02/2015) [-] well yeah we domesticated dogs so they would submit to us. but most dogs tend to attack unprovoked because either they had bad experience with humans in the past, or if their owner becomes agitated the dog often follows their emotions and does the same but doesnt know why and so lashes out at anything
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veryfahnyjokes (09/02/2015) [-]
Where did she live? And where and how did she keep them?
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Dember (09/02/2015) [-] Did you ever happen to get any pictures of them? I'm curious if they were real wolves or not - many people own huskies, malamutes, german shepherds, or mixes of any or all and truly believe them to be wolves (or wolfdogs) when they actually aren't. I'd like to know what the animals really were if possible though, since everyone and their great uncle has had a "pet wolf" these days unfortunately, and about 99% of the claims are completely inaccurate because they actually had a wolfy looking everyday dog.
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lean (09/02/2015) [-] I'll have to dig through some photo albums. She died five years ago. She lived in Florida and needed a class 2 wildlife permit involving 1000 hrs experience. Former zoo worker in Minnesota. She had red wolves, adopted from various sources out west. I guess there is a list because often zoos and conservatories don't have room. A couple were injured, most were abandoned and would have been killed in the wild. My mom said she had a total of nine or ten total during those 40 years
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Dember (09/02/2015) [-] Red wolves? You're sure? Because those have been critically endangered (extinct in the wild) for more than 35 years... all remaining individuals are well documented in zoos and sanctuaries, they are not kept by any private owners or breeders who might cross-breed them with dogs. Sounds kind of fishy to me honestly, or at least like some facts got confused.
Florida does have some very well known wolfdog breeders, but their animals are wolf-dog mixes, not pure wolves. The father of our litter this year was from Southern Breeze lines from Florida, upper mid content 70% timber wolf.
Florida does have some very well known wolfdog breeders, but their animals are wolf-dog mixes, not pure wolves. The father of our litter this year was from Southern Breeze lines from Florida, upper mid content 70% timber wolf.
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greyswordsman (09/01/2015) [-] yeah, i prefer it when girls take the other part into their mouths
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icameheretotroll (09/01/2015) [-] I'd do it, just for the achievement of having french kissed a ******* wolf
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thechosentroll (09/01/2015) [-] While gross, it's actually perfectly safe. Wolf saliva kills bacteria, so technically a wolfs' mouth is cleaner than your mouth. The wolf should be more grossed out.
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thechosentroll (09/02/2015) [-] I looked it up, turns out it only kills certain bacteria, but that's still killing bacteria. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wound_licking#In_non-human_animals
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mathmatical (09/02/2015) [-] In wolf packs, they will lick the teeth/mouth of the other wolf as a way to say "glad to see you" or "hello I like you". If you deny them this they will take it as a "I don't like you" or "I am not happy to see you" and things may turn violent.
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catkyte (09/01/2015) [-] i remember seeing a special where they were testing the inborn mindset differences between wolves and dogs, so they took a dog that grew up with people, and also a couple wolves that had just as much human contact, and then gave them challenges, stuff like pulling a rope attached to some food out of a cage, the wolves and dogs both passed, but when they made it so the food was impossible to pull out they found the difference, the dogs would after having tried everything they could think of go to the humans and bother them for help, while the wolves would just keep trying and not even think to look towards the humans for help, so basically dogs have been with us for so long that its ingrained in their dna to work with/for us.
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veryfahnyjokes (09/02/2015) [-]
My dog's an asshole he never even thinks of doing stuff himself instead he goes to me and starts pulling my arm towards the thing. But I love him.
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mattdoggy (09/01/2015) [-] Rewatching this and seeing the first wolf with their teeth being shown, ears back, and the hair standing up on the back of their neck i'd say that the issue is with the persons gender. Wolves either will be dominant, submissive, or equals with humans. When you get down and make yourself small never try it though, this is also a sign of i'm stupid please eat me in the animal kingdom you are showing you are non threatening and willing to cooperate. The smelling is them investigating his scent which the wolf will remember. I'm guessing the bigger one that did the first smelling is the pack leader and the other two are smaller followers. They follow the leaders defensive posture but immediately perk up and wag their tails when the alpha is gone. Wolf males are less threatened by females and he's likely placing his scent onto her and letting her know she's part of the pack. Sometimes they will rub on you, lick you, or pee on you to scent mark you.
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egosumproxi ONLINE (09/01/2015) [-] Or it has nothing to do with gender and they just know her already, and she is introducing the guy to the pack. That seems more likely to me.
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wellimnotsure (09/02/2015) [-] The whole alpha wolf mentality was proven to be false a few years ago theres a really good documentary on it, though I can't remember the name. Wolves, like all animals are not the same across individuals, while some wolf packs do have a hierarchy based on the alpha theory, many do not.
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lapsushominum ONLINE (09/02/2015) [-] io9.com/why-everything-you-know-about-wolf-packs-is-wrong-502754629?utm_expid=66866090-48.Ej9760cOTJCPS_Bq4mjoww.0
Related article. Turns out that the study that came up with the oversimplified "alpha" theory was done on captives wolves so they behaved odd, whereas wild wolf packs have leaders in that the leaders are usually parents and so have respect associated with being a parent, it's a really good example of animal social behavior being more complex than we assumed.
Related article. Turns out that the study that came up with the oversimplified "alpha" theory was done on captives wolves so they behaved odd, whereas wild wolf packs have leaders in that the leaders are usually parents and so have respect associated with being a parent, it's a really good example of animal social behavior being more complex than we assumed.
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Dember (09/02/2015) [-] The wolf is showing its teeth to the other wolf in its face, not to the human - it's a dominant gesture to let a lower-ranking pack member to mind their manners.
You see it a LOT in any human - to - (captive-born) wolf interaction; much of the time there will be some growling and bared teeth, and if you pay close attention, it's always aimed at the other wolf or wolves, not the person.
It may even progress to muzzle-grabbing or pinning the other to the ground -- they have something new and interesting in their midst (wolves find anything new to be at least a little intimidating, but also irresistible) and that can make them forget to be respectful of their superiors; which sometimes calls for a reminder of who's in charge.
In this instance, notice how the other wolf (from what little you can see of it) has its ears back and head lowered to assure mr (or miss) snarly that he or she doesn't mean any disrespect.
You see it a LOT in any human - to - (captive-born) wolf interaction; much of the time there will be some growling and bared teeth, and if you pay close attention, it's always aimed at the other wolf or wolves, not the person.
It may even progress to muzzle-grabbing or pinning the other to the ground -- they have something new and interesting in their midst (wolves find anything new to be at least a little intimidating, but also irresistible) and that can make them forget to be respectful of their superiors; which sometimes calls for a reminder of who's in charge.
In this instance, notice how the other wolf (from what little you can see of it) has its ears back and head lowered to assure mr (or miss) snarly that he or she doesn't mean any disrespect.
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sickreality (09/02/2015) [-] shes giving that wolf more tongue then her boyfriend there... it ends well for the wolf
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
1st Wolf: Grr you smell like **** dont touch me
2nd Wolf: Okay lets take a look at yo- omg you ugly ************ -ahhh my eyes my eyes!
2nd Wolf: Okay lets take a look at yo- omg you ugly ************ -ahhh my eyes my eyes!
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batterybun (09/02/2015) [-] That's cute and all, but unless that is a wildlife zoo or something like that, wolfes being so non-evasive near people would cause problems.
