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lean (09/01/2015) [-] Wolves can be trained to cooperate with humans, whereas a dog will submit to humans.
My Grandmother had pet wolves until she died. They were friendly, if a bit standoffish. They never wagged their tails and came running to greet you, but they would come when called and enjoyed being petted and talked to. My grandmother claimed that it isn't the wolf left in domestic dogs that made them attack people unprovoked, it is the human in them. Might be a bit ad hominem, but in 40+ years of having wolves as pets she never had anyone get bitten by them. She kept 2 at a time usually, and said they would never attack someone first unless she initiated it.
My Grandmother had pet wolves until she died. They were friendly, if a bit standoffish. They never wagged their tails and came running to greet you, but they would come when called and enjoyed being petted and talked to. My grandmother claimed that it isn't the wolf left in domestic dogs that made them attack people unprovoked, it is the human in them. Might be a bit ad hominem, but in 40+ years of having wolves as pets she never had anyone get bitten by them. She kept 2 at a time usually, and said they would never attack someone first unless she initiated it.
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dracoslade (09/02/2015) [-] wait...are you saying your grandmother had to sic her pet wolves on somebody?
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picamix (09/02/2015) [-] well yeah we domesticated dogs so they would submit to us. but most dogs tend to attack unprovoked because either they had bad experience with humans in the past, or if their owner becomes agitated the dog often follows their emotions and does the same but doesnt know why and so lashes out at anything
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veryfahnyjokes (09/02/2015) [-]
Where did she live? And where and how did she keep them?
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suttballion (09/02/2015) [-]
Are you trying to tell me your grandmother ran around with a pack of wolves getting them to attack others?
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Dember (09/02/2015) [-] Did you ever happen to get any pictures of them? I'm curious if they were real wolves or not - many people own huskies, malamutes, german shepherds, or mixes of any or all and truly believe them to be wolves (or wolfdogs) when they actually aren't. I'd like to know what the animals really were if possible though, since everyone and their great uncle has had a "pet wolf" these days unfortunately, and about 99% of the claims are completely inaccurate because they actually had a wolfy looking everyday dog.
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lean (09/02/2015) [-] I'll have to dig through some photo albums. She died five years ago. She lived in Florida and needed a class 2 wildlife permit involving 1000 hrs experience. Former zoo worker in Minnesota. She had red wolves, adopted from various sources out west. I guess there is a list because often zoos and conservatories don't have room. A couple were injured, most were abandoned and would have been killed in the wild. My mom said she had a total of nine or ten total during those 40 years
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Dember (09/02/2015) [-] Red wolves? You're sure? Because those have been critically endangered (extinct in the wild) for more than 35 years... all remaining individuals are well documented in zoos and sanctuaries, they are not kept by any private owners or breeders who might cross-breed them with dogs. Sounds kind of fishy to me honestly, or at least like some facts got confused.
Florida does have some very well known wolfdog breeders, but their animals are wolf-dog mixes, not pure wolves. The father of our litter this year was from Southern Breeze lines from Florida, upper mid content 70% timber wolf.
Florida does have some very well known wolfdog breeders, but their animals are wolf-dog mixes, not pure wolves. The father of our litter this year was from Southern Breeze lines from Florida, upper mid content 70% timber wolf.
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cormy (09/02/2015) [-] It's not anecdotal, nor is it ad hominem.
What he meant to say was that it might be a bit paraphrased (since he can't recollect the exact words spoken to make a proper quote)
I don't think he embellished the tale enough for it to be considered anecdotal, he was just trying to recall what she said.
What he meant to say was that it might be a bit paraphrased (since he can't recollect the exact words spoken to make a proper quote)
I don't think he embellished the tale enough for it to be considered anecdotal, he was just trying to recall what she said.
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Stamyham ONLINE (09/02/2015) [-] You did read the picture I posted, right? While an anecdote can be a literary device, when one is attempting to use personal experience to make general statements (or as proof in an argument) it is referred to as anecdotal.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal+evidence
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
an·ec·dote
ˈanəkˌdōt/
noun
noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes
a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal+evidence
yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
an·ec·dote
ˈanəkˌdōt/
noun
noun: anecdote; plural noun: anecdotes
a short and amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
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DarkAngelLeo (09/01/2015) [-] My dog is a wolf hybrid and honestly she is the best animal I have every been around. We have not so much of a dominating relationship, but a partnership based off of trust. She senses that I trust her and she responds equally to that trust, but if I don't trust her she starts to pick up on it and will begin to be more independent. She also has a distinct personality and we both consider her a person.
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xgeneration ONLINE (09/01/2015) [-] **xgeneration used "*roll picture*"**
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Bad ass grandma, was your grandpa a warrior or also a hunter?
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Bad ass grandma, was your grandpa a warrior or also a hunter?
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thechosentroll (09/01/2015) [-] Kind of reminds me of my dog. The whole submission thing is mostly due to how the animal is raised. If ever since it was a puppy a dog has had strict rules enforced, it doesn't really develop any character or personality of its' own, so it acts like a pet. If it lacked said rules (for example, because my parents worked long hours and there was no one to watch me, so they'd leave a dog and a 12-yearold home alone all day, to do what they want), however, the dog actually learns to stand its' ground and develops its' own preferences and character. Which can be an issue, because you then have to actually EARN the dogs' respect instead of just getting it by default. If you manage it, the dog becomes more of a family member than a pet. Which, I assume, is what happened with your grandma and the wolves.
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
I raised my dog since she was a puppy, and she has never been just a pet. I don't understand why you think training your dog at a young age equals them being lifeless furtoys, but my dog definitely has a personality. She just knows who the alpha is because I ******* spent hours training her to know that I am on top. Dogs don't just come out and instantly become obedient when they are puppies. Pups are ******* testy little ***** .
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thechosentroll (09/02/2015) [-] No, no, I mean strict rules, not any rules. Teaching it not to **** on the carpet is OK. Scolding it whenever it goes into a certain room or on the couch is not.
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skarrer (09/02/2015) [-] If my dog ever bit me when he was younger and learning not to bite, I'd get it into a loose headlock(not restricting breathing or anything, just holding him still) and hold my hand in front of its face until it stopped trying to bite my hand and instead licked it, and then I'd let him go. Safe to say he stopped biting me about 4-5 months before the rest of the family. Dogs are much more obedient and friendly if they respect you than if they, as you said, get it as default.
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
That can work, but imo its not a great plan. if the dog is actually trying to bite you its going to get worse before it gets better. Then if it has a serious got at biting you and you withdraw you've effectively trained the dog to bite and its going to be that much harder to reverse.
Don't get me wrong, it definitely works. Just not the best way of doing it
Don't get me wrong, it definitely works. Just not the best way of doing it
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
i suppose biting from my dogs is my fault. when i play with them i play rough, i let them bite me and i shove them around. so i end up letting no one else play with them do to bite laws and **** , god forbid some one tries to play with them, and he bites a little harder then he should, then there's a law suit and he has to be put down because of the way i like to play with them
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ompalomper (09/01/2015) [-] a study was made about the difference between wolf and dog social behaviors with other wolves/dogs. i don't remember much aside from one thing. when wolves play fight they stopped immediately of the other wolf started indicating fear or pain while the dogs kept going. really shows that wolves are at least more socially competent than dogs
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anon (09/02/2015) [-]
totally guessing here but it could also be that the wolves have a lot more at stake ie their lives in the case of injury so it suits them more in an evolutionary fashion to avoid unnecessary injury whenever possible. still, the bottom line comes down to being inbred anyway i guess.
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mehturtlesareok (09/01/2015) [-] "they would never attack someone first unless she initiated it."
Are you implying she did initiate an attack on someone with her wolves?
Are you implying she did initiate an attack on someone with her wolves?
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acivcrusader (09/02/2015) [-]
And thus, the first canadian police-wolf team came to be.
but seriously, they could easily be used in other things like hunting
but seriously, they could easily be used in other things like hunting
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civilizedwasteland (09/02/2015) [-] did she get rid of them when they got older, cause wolves usually compete to get alpha status
