Wish More Parents Would Realize This. .. Aw, man. Is that kid's mouth open? Wish More Parents Would Realize This Aw man Is that kid's mouth open?
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#1 - tapeworms
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Aw, man. Is that kid's mouth open?
User avatar #2 to #1 - metallicaone [OP]
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holy **** youre right...
User avatar #3 to #1 - metallicaone [OP]
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should i delete it? im kinda grossed out now
User avatar #35 to #3 - heartlessrobot
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Well, the torture collar on the dog would be a better reason to delete it.
User avatar #4 to #3 - tapeworms
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I... I don't know. I mean... The message itself is nice.
User avatar #5 to #4 - metallicaone [OP]
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thats why i posted it but now i cant look at it
User avatar #6 to #5 - tapeworms
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I don't know, man. I'd say leave it, it is kind of funny. In a gross way, but still.
User avatar #7 to #1 - totallyrelevant
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if you blur your vision a little it looks like the child is licking the dog.
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#96 to #1 - nicoquitemad
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You know, that stuff is going to boost that baby's digestion and immune system a *******.
You know, that stuff is going to boost that baby's digestion and immune system a *******.
#109 to #1 - kirkbot
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#8 to #1 - newall
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Dogs have cleaner mouths than humans. By a long ******* way.
#54 to #8 - shadowdong
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in terms of bacteria numbers, yes
in terms of the kind of bacteria, no

remember, dogs lick their own assholes so theyve got e coli bacteria and other yummy pathogens in their mouths
User avatar #131 to #54 - exotic
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I'd lick my own asshole if i could shadowdong
#181 to #131 - shadowdong
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we all would if we could
we all would if we could
User avatar #152 to #54 - nigeltheoutlaw
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Not really. Human bites will almost always get infected, while dog bites don't get infected all that often. We're like ******* Komodo Dragons.
#61 to #54 - newall
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read my other comments. Dog's mouth bacteria is FAR less harmful to humans than a human's. A human bite has a 100% chance of infection, a dog bite does not.
User avatar #128 to #61 - animedudej
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it's the same with cats, right? i mean i fight ROUGH with my cats and they fukken love it (i get bitten and scratched the hell out of in the process and to this day i have not gotten an infection)
User avatar #16 to #8 - hieronymous
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its still gross
#25 to #16 - newall
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well... yeah.
#11 to #8 - tjilaz
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That's not true though. Think about it dogs rarely brushes their teeth or use flush, most people do.
www.wisegeek.org/are-dogs-mouths-really-cleaner-than-humans.htm

Don't get me wrong, i love dogs.
#12 to #11 - newall
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again, wrong.

the same way there is "more bacteria on your chopping board than your toilet seat"

It doesn't mean it would be healthier for you to lick the toilet seat... it's about the types of bacteria. human bites have a 100% infection rate, dogs do not.
Oral bacteria of humans is far more harmful than that of dogs, butt licking or no. (not to mention, there are some humans that still lick butts.)
User avatar #118 to #12 - joehue
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We get that part, but *****, I ain't about to let my dog lick my face when she just ate her own **** or throw up. I don't care what your science says dat **** is just nasty.
User avatar #27 to #12 - corso
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I take it you didn't read the article.
Or have any common sense.
#37 to #27 - newall
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i read the article after posting. it changed nothing i said.

The article only mentioned dogs licking their own wounds. it made no mention of the fact that humans ALWAYS cause infections when they bite, dogs do not. a dogs mouth houses less HARMFUL bacteria, to a human, than a humans.
User avatar #64 to #37 - corso
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You know, I find it weird how it told you the exact reason that humans get more diseases from their own bites than from a dogs and you're still claiming otherwise.
#75 to #37 - letrollface
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Here is another article: www.livescience.com/32342-is-a-dogs-mouth-cleaner-than-a-humans.html

Now, you post an article that supports your stupid claim!
#158 to #75 - newall
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#172 to #158 - letrollface
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The article you linked does not speak about the cleanness or filthiness of dog mouths vs human mouths - it mentions that human mouths contain more bacteria, but it's the TYPE of bacteria that determines which is cleaner.
#175 to #172 - newall
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it also cites the infection rates for human bites compared to cats or dogs.
User avatar #68 to #12 - fuzzysixx
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There are humans who do not?
User avatar #176 to #8 - tapeworms
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Well, excuuuuse me for not wanting to french kiss a dog. They lick their balls and eat cat ****.
User avatar #123 to #8 - niggernazi
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but humans dont eat their own **** and lick their balls all day
#28 - gare
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that kind of collar
User avatar #47 to #28 - xxmemesxx
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that kind of collar is literally the only way i ever got my dog to listen. there is a little entertainment value to it too, though it sucks when they start bleeding and make such a ******* mess
User avatar #74 to #47 - BubsyB
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If your dog is bleeding as a result of it then remove the collar immediately and never put it back on, it is only made for dogs like German Shepard's because to them it does nothing but get their attention. If your dog's skin is sensitive enough that it is irritated let alone bleeds then you should not be making the poor thing wear it.
#77 to #74 - chrislee
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Look at his username. He's only "trolling."
User avatar #78 to #77 - BubsyB
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haha I guess so, I'm not mad or anything just trying to better his or her dog's life.
#79 to #78 - chrislee
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Oh no, I completely understand your implications. I just didn't want you falling into bait (so as the trend seems to be going, lately).
User avatar #80 to #79 - BubsyB
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okay sweet, yeah everyone desperately wants that pink username o_0
#82 to #80 - chrislee
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Unfortunately.
If everyone leaves the "trolls" alone, they should eventually die out.
This is also admins way of creating more traffic.
It's stupid and annoying as hell, but for some reason or another, it works.
User avatar #124 to #47 - niggernazi
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go hang yourself fag
User avatar #70 to #47 - cannibislover
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ok.
#72 to #28 - anon id: 4e07fae5
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it's called a pinch collar and they look worse then they are.

I train dogs for a living and they are useful tools and MUCH safer than regular choker chains.
#99 to #28 - anon id: 5f2dc857
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That collar is pretty safe. It gets a dog to pay attention. My dog is a 150 pound labrador and is all muscle. If i dont have that on then if he sees a cat or a person riding their bike he will take me down the street with him.
#53 to #28 - daemascus
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I agree that on certain dogs it an be quite cruel, however my Dog has such a thick coat that the spikes don't ever touch her skin
#71 to #28 - pxthreezerothree
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That kind of collar is practically necessary for the German Shepherd. They are very good dogs but they are also headstrong. That collar simulates a nip on the neck, it's how their mothers' keep them in line. It's not terribly painful, doesn't choke them but it does get their attention.
#86 to #28 - Dember
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It really depends on the quality of the collar. A pinch or prong collar should never cause pain or harm to an animal.
Some that are very cheaply made are not smoothed at the tips, and yes, those CAN be dangerous and they should certainly never be used on anything with, well, skin.
You hardly ever see those and anyone who picked one up would notice that it's much too sharp to reasonably put on their pet.

However, the typical smooth-pronged ones are completely harmless and, as has been said, are a much better deterrent than a choke chain which is liable to bruise or crush a dog's throat and even cause a trachea collapse.

The purpose is to cause mild discomfort and help the dog learn to associate pulling and yanking on the leash, or otherwise disrespecting the human's authority, to be unpleasant.
Likewise, if the dog is not misbehaving and there is no pressure on the collar, they can't feel it at all.

For larger and more powerful dogs, they can be a useful tool that often work better than "no-pull harnesses" and "gentle leaders" or other facial harnesses.

A warning about pinch/prong collars, though - they are only held together by the little metal links, which can be taken out or added to fit the dog's neck.
That means if you give the dog too strong of a correction by tugging on the leash to get their attention, the collar can completely break apart and you now have a disobedient dog running loose.
These collars should ALWAYS have the leash attached to a back-up collar as well. Aside from that, I don't have anything against them - but I have to agree, they look pretty terrible for anyone who doesn't know much about them.

Fortunately, I've never really had any need to use them - my huskies generally do really well with just a slip collar or chain; not to prevent pulling, because they usually only do that in a sledding harness - but because they are so skilled at slipping out of any collar that doesn't tighten up a bit when they try to back out of it.
#143 to #86 - harbingerwolf
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Are there any downsides to those bandana style collars?   
Just curious, i know they look pretty pimpin, but i would imagine there are probably issues with them like getting caught in the way or something.
Are there any downsides to those bandana style collars?
Just curious, i know they look pretty pimpin, but i would imagine there are probably issues with them like getting caught in the way or something.
#155 to #143 - Dember
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I haven't actually used those, so I can't really give you a fair review - but I do tie regular old bandannas around my dogs' necks upon occasion, so I'll try to answer your question.

I would imagine that they might pose a tripping problem to shorter little dogs (though my hyperactive little torpedo of a pomeranian wouldn't even notice), but I kind of doubt there would be any real problem for larger dogs.

The only reason I never leave the bandannas on my dogs unsupervised is because they'd all eagerly converge on the poor snazzy-dresser and either drag them around by it, shred it, or possibly even take it off and swallow it whole - I've got one who likes to do that when it comes to fabric; she's gagged down whole stuffed animals in the past only to puke them up or pass them a day or two later.
It's kind of horrifying to witness, truth be told.

The main reason I like to slap bandannas on mine is because I have big, "intimidating" dogs - husky/shepherds, low-content wolfdogs and so on, and I love taking them with me everywhere I go so it's inevitable that people who don't know them are sometimes afraid or concerned about them.

In my experience, a cute little bandanna goes a long way toward making a dog look more friendly to strangers - likewise, when I walk my boy with nothing but his big manly (and expensive, high quality leather, because he somehow damages everything else) spiked collar, people are noticeably more deterred and less likely to approach.

It's all in how they're portrayed - although I must admit it's quite a sight to see a ninety pound "wolfish" husky or shepherd mix trotting along with a fluffy white five-pound pomeranian.

Mine are all social lovebugs who adore people, so the bandannas can be a good way to encourage people and children to feel more comfortable if they want to interact with them. One lick in the face is all you really need to see how gentle they are.

Also, thanks so much for the adorable gif. I'm definitely keeping that one. c:
#157 to #155 - harbingerwolf
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Dont mention it, thanks for the info
Dont mention it, thanks for the info
#178 to #157 - Dember
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#179 to #178 - harbingerwolf
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#180 to #179 - Dember
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I am out of sibe gifs so have this instead.
I am out of sibe gifs so have this instead.
User avatar #21 - funnaa
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and neither are THE THE dogs...
#10 - swordmasterredman
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**swordmasterredman rolled a random image posted in comment #528929 at Pokemon ** what else is dangerous
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#130 - kalvissh
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Soldier returning home.
Soldier returning home.
User avatar #18 - xgrandmoffx
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I wonder if bestiality will be considered socially acceptable a couple of generations from now, kind of like how homosexuality, previously thought a taboo, is becoming socially acceptable.
#19 to #18 - xgrandmoffx
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#20 to #18 - duvallwhitey
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If not, its only a matter of stupidity and time.
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#23 to #18 - anon id: 2312ce3d
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With all these pony loving faggots its only a matter of time
User avatar #62 to #18 - rhetoricalfunny
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Animals cannot give consent
No
It won't
#134 to #62 - mutzaki
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They also can't not give consent.
#66 to #18 - anon id: a79c605d
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Sorry if you haven't noticed but a great amount of STDs actually started out as bestiality. AIDS came from humans having sex with monkeys, for example. It's very unhealthy, both with illnesses and physical damage as animals have differently shaped penises and so on. (See what happens if you get ****** by a horse...) Also an animal can't give consent in the same way a child can't give consent.
#84 to #18 - cawpikolo
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it is already accepted. in some states people can marry their horses and in the middle east they're ******* their goats.
#87 to #18 - anon id: 36827157
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I don't really think a horse/cow mind if you stick your 13cm dick in it as it has a doctor arm up its ass/pussy a couple of times a year.
However if you decide to **** a small animal. Like a cat or something.
I would classify that as animal cruelty.
User avatar #42 to #18 - pioneermhm
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Homosexuality is okay, Bestiality caused aids
User avatar #51 to #42 - fanfiction
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homosexuality is NOT okay!
User avatar #55 to #51 - pioneermhm
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It's interesting how opinions could differ.
User avatar #56 to #55 - fanfiction
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this isn't an opinion
this is fact
User avatar #58 to #56 - pioneermhm
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It's interesting you think so, it is an ethical issue with two sides after all. Some people like you think it's wrong, others like me think it's not. That is the beauty of society, everyone is different
User avatar #59 to #58 - fanfiction
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No. The Bible says homosexuals are an abomination. The Lord is infallible.
User avatar #145 to #59 - takesomemorewater
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News flash, you can't really reach -400 thumbs at this point.
User avatar #146 to #145 - fanfiction
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sure you can. It ain't easy, but it's doable.
User avatar #147 to #146 - takesomemorewater
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So sorry, I meant to write that you can't do it as the first one. Curse it's doable. Reach for the stars.
User avatar #149 to #147 - fanfiction
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Eh, I know it's pretty unlikely that I'll get it. I'm sure some people are well into the 200s.
But it gives me something more to do than just hitting the right arrow key for hours a day.
User avatar #150 to #149 - takesomemorewater
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True, true. Go for it.
User avatar #148 to #147 - takesomemorewater
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******* typos...
User avatar #76 to #59 - truemox
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You're trolling so hard you're off the rockwell scale.
User avatar #60 to #59 - pioneermhm
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Thank you for sharing your belief
You're trying a bit too hard there
User avatar #24 to #18 - demandsgayversion
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Why does everyone only think of homosexuality as a type of sexual intercourse?

But to answer your question, probly not. Animals aren't free thinking enough to give consent, and even an animal in heat can't understand the implications of what it's doing (like having it's ass or vag torn open by a giant human penis).

The reason homosexuality is becoming socially acceptable is because it's natural and healthy. It's not the idea of 'lets make everything sexual legal, starting with tihs', it's 'there's no reason for this to be illegal, let's be less bigotty in this future world'.

And not to mention it's a romantic attraction, not just sexual.
#45 to #24 - anon id: e42aca64
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That logic is a bit flawed.
A baby is not old enough to think and give consent, yet it's given in adoption to those same homosexual parents.
Implying that consent from all the parts involved in a familiar relationship is required to validate it, you invalidate the child adoption for homosexual couples.
Instead, since the child has no age to consent, it's implied that one part (the parents) is responsable for the well being of the other (the child).
In a similar way, the person stablishing a bestial sexual/familiar relationship with the animal could be responsable for making the decission for the animal, and caring for its well being for it, considered that it can't consent by itself.
#57 to #45 - daemascus
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There is an enormous difference between adoption and Rape.
There is an enormous difference between adoption and Rape.
#65 to #57 - bobbyshallunite
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Why can we kill and eat an animal without their consent but not **** it? not saying i want to
User avatar #83 to #65 - robertolee
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Because eating an animal is required for nutritional needs. ******* it is not.
User avatar #48 to #45 - demandsgayversion
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The baby doesn't give 'consent' on the race of it's parents, or the socioeconomic status of it's parents, or the general responsibility of those parents - and I have yet to see a homophobic baby, so why does it matter if a gay couple adopts a baby? And plus, a baby doesn't care who raises it, as long as it gets the care it needs and isn't mistreated, it'll grow up to be a perfectly healthy individual. You're obviously implying that a homosexual parents can't care for a child as well as heterosexual parents, which all studies and common sense proves incorrect.
User avatar #49 to #45 - demandsgayversion
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We're talking about ******* animals! Sticking your dick into non-human creatures for sexual pleasure! That's not the same as adoption!
#38 to #24 - anon id: cc511f8f
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i have one question
are cat-girls in or out of the question
User avatar #46 to #38 - jaggedherp
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Never. Catgirls are never out of the question. Keep dreaming anon, keep dreaming.
User avatar #34 to #24 - heartlessrobot
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What about a human anus being torn apart by a giant horse penis?
#32 to #24 - deckbox
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**deckbox rolled a random image posted in comment #135 at Damn it, Ash. **was a doc about it, bloke shagging horses n whatnot, went blind and disabled from all the diseases he caught from doing it.

+756756757656757 if its a pony roll
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User avatar #136 - efdinthea
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Neither of these are true. both can be a terror no matter what you do
#137 to #136 - evanxzile
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Neither can be a terror if you put them down.
User avatar #122 - werfgh
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The The Dogs?
User avatar #135 - mutzaki
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It's funny, because I think you should require a license for both owning a large dog, and for becoming a parent, since it's been made very clear over the time that not everyone is suitable for taking care of either.
User avatar #26 - fjisforfgts
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Serious question, if anybody wants to reply.. Are all humans born a clean slate personality wise? If two babies experienced the EXACT same life until they were 20, would they be the same or different?
User avatar #29 to #26 - sirhyden
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If you were to gaurentee them being identical, and I mean identical, down to having the exact same sickness's at the exact same time, they they would be very similiar....
User avatar #30 to #29 - fjisforfgts
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well, would they be very similar, or completely 100%, without a fault, identical?

And yes, every single thing they ever experience is identical, hypothetically. Would they have the same exact thoughts? Or is some of it simply chance?
User avatar #31 to #30 - sirhyden
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I'd say there would be an element of chance, not everything is down to expierence....
User avatar #36 to #31 - fjisforfgts
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It's always fascinating to talk about the unprovable, eh? If our earth restarted itself under the same conditions as it had 4.6 billion years ago (distance from planets, etc.), would it end up exactly like it is now? That's a relative question.
User avatar #39 to #36 - sirhyden
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It's not unprovable, just highly unethical, if you could put both subjects into a simulator....effectively wasting their hold lives, building bonds with people who don't exist then when the time comes to let them out just expect them to adapt no hassle....



As for the other one, that depends on the conditions around, impacts on her and such....
User avatar #41 to #39 - fjisforfgts
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Well, that's why the 50's exist. Nothing like that was unethical back then. Unfortunately I can't have this conversation over ****** Fj comments, I need a lot of alcohol and quite a few hours of free time. Thanks for the responses though. It's definitely the most interesting topic i'd like to study if it weren't so futile.

If you DO care to reply. Just assume the earth had the same conditions from it's moment of creation up until this very second. In this hypothetical duplicate of a reality, would we be having this exact conversation? Or would we be flying in cars and whatnot? It boils down to if luck is a factor in evolution.

User avatar #52 to #41 - mrswagly
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Hey I know what you're thinking. I've had thoughts really similar to what you're saying. It's called environmental and genetic variables if you weren't aware, not trying to sound like an ass. If all the environmental variables were exactly the the same then yes everything would be the same.
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No, not necessarily, genetics influence your personality. For example, shyness is a very genetic trait.
User avatar #92 to #67 - schnizel
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I'm really shy. I go like may I kill you mister Goldenberg, if that's ok? B-baka!
User avatar #69 to #26 - TwiztidNinja
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No, as someone with ASPD i have had to study human emotions very ruthlessly throughout my life and can confidently say that if someone experienced everything you had in the exact same way they would still be different.

That really is kind of like asking if identical twins think the same thing.
User avatar #94 to #26 - Sethorein
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our personality is defined by genetics. Environment affects the degree to which a genetically predetermined trait will be expressed.

You might say we have clean slates at birth, but the slates already have a story that is going to be written on them, all that can change is whether or not the inscriber decides to drink before he sets chisel to stone...
User avatar #95 to #94 - daentraya
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Are you talking about Epigenetics?
User avatar #98 to #95 - Sethorein
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more phenotypic plasticity, though epigenetics is part of that.

we have genetic predispositions towards literally everything we can ever be. The only variable is the degree to which our genes express themselves. They will only be expressed if they are activated by persistent stimulus from the environment interacting with the cells and providing the right combination of hormones and ions to cause the production of new proteins creating a novel phenotype.

a great example involves closing your eyes and imagining a rose. Not only can you picture it, but you seem to smell it too, no? That is because of a learned association in your mind between the presentation of a visual representation of the rose being paired with an olfactory representation of it. The neuron in your hippocampus that the two sensory neurons synapse two will actually develop barbs along its dendrites to accomodate this association.

If you'd never seen a rose before you'd not have this novel trait.
User avatar #102 to #98 - daentraya
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I can't really smell it. I only remember what certain roses kinda smell like, and now i kinda forgot in trying to remember it. Well, perhaps its just because I have **** attention to smells. But aren't we talking more about the brain right now and the connections it makes as life goes on, rather than what is predetermined by genetics?

And as for something only ever so slightly related. I know someone, who when in a lovey dovey mood claims to smell some kinda rosey smell in the air. He also has a kind of hyperactive imagination or whatever, and pictures flowers coming out of his wall and stuff like that. Do you by any change know about such things, too?
User avatar #104 to #102 - Sethorein
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he is suffering from classical conditioning

he associated a conditional stimulus (a random smell) with the unconditional stimulus (the feeling of love. Likely, he has smelled this smell when in love, thus has created a learned association between the two. If you want to cause an exctinction of the pairing just present the smell a bunch of times and kick him in the balls. It will cause a blocking effect.
User avatar #108 to #104 - daentraya
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Oh, this is interesting. I was rather skeptical as to why the hell he would claim to smell stuff. Other manifestations of feelings, like butterflies and other stuff. Is there more causes of stuff like this, other than adrenaline doing stuff? Im just interested in how the brain, and what it releases and what it does, can be felt in other ways than thought
User avatar #111 to #108 - Sethorein
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i haven't studied anxiety much yet. From what I can tell the butterflies and whatnot are a result of constriction of blood vessels, increased heart rate, decreased metabolism, and a whole host of other implicit bodily preparations for a stressful encounter.
User avatar #113 to #111 - daentraya
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In some cases, it doesnt make sense that it's adrenaline being send out, and rather a stimulation of the happy-reward-center of your brain. I guess that the brain might just be triggerhappy with adrenaline, and sends it out anyway for any provocation, and it was a mixture of the two
User avatar #114 to #113 - Sethorein
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I don't know all of the hormones of the body.

Glutamate, Acetylcholine, seratonin and adrenaline are just a few... we have hundreds for different functions... glutamate is the most important though...
User avatar #116 to #114 - daentraya
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Geez, it's incredible how such basic hormones are each in charge of so much, yet gets so varied results and work.. ***** crazy. Well, i know what I'm doing until Christmas now
User avatar #103 to #102 - Sethorein
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the structure of your neuron changes as these associations are made. New synapses ARE how genetics manifest in the nervous system at least.

Epigenetics just looks at the carbocation of certain genes leading to higher expression of them...
User avatar #105 to #103 - daentraya
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I have a ******* to learn about stuff.. Too much to learn. I don't even understand how instincts work, and how they're manifested in us from the beginning. Perhaps i should learn more of history, rather than the intricate parts of behavioral biology and save my brain the puzzling
User avatar #107 to #105 - Sethorein
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take some neuroscience courses.

Instinct can be explained as sensory loops without cognitive input. You put your hand on a stove and an excitatory pain neuron innervates two neurons at the spinal cord. One that will send another excitatory response down to your bicep to pull your hand back and one to an interneuron that will send an inhibitory response to your tricep to get it to relax.

if you'd needed the c neuron to fire all the way to your brain then have more axons descend from your brain to your hand to tell it to move, it may take an extra hundred or so milliseconds which could be very dangerous.
User avatar #110 to #107 - daentraya
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I understand the pain and what causes you to retract your hand instantly, but not the more complex instincts, like that of a wild feline and how it will want to play and hunt. How the behaviors will show up even if it's been held captive it's whole life, and cant be fully tamed since it takes many generations of taming to get a properly tame animal
User avatar #112 to #110 - Sethorein
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that's a result of innate behaviour. when there is a behaviour that will be beneficial to an animal across many generations it will eventually code itself into the genes because it is more costly to have to learn it every generation than to have it be part of the genetics of the animal.
User avatar #115 to #112 - daentraya
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But how can this bee. I dont understand how genetics can affect behavior like this. What is the process that translates genetics into behavior? Sorry that im asking so many questions. I should find some proper books and get some solid understanding going on. This puzzlement is bothering me and should be defeated by throwing books at it until my poor brain comprehends it
User avatar #117 to #115 - Sethorein
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we are all drug addicts. Seratonin/oxytocin etc. etc. are wonderful pleasure inducing neurotransmitters.

Now you can grasp that babies have a blueprint. When they're being formed they follow a specific plan.

This plan doesn't really stop. Innate behaviours are just the continuation of it post utero. There are certain sensitive periods in life where traits will be acquired because that is when the hormonal balance of the body is just right for it. This balance was created because for several generations that behaviour was favoured by nature, so those predisposed towards having that hormonal balance at the right time were able to achieve the greatest fitness

You mentioned cats. They did studies on the development of cat vision. There is literally a 5 day period where cats develop most of their vision. If you sew their eyes shut during this sensitive period they will be forever visually impaired.
User avatar #119 to #117 - daentraya
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So the genetics affect the hormones which affect our behavior and lots of other things?
User avatar #120 to #119 - Sethorein
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hormones literally control every action you will ever do and every appearance you may take.
User avatar #160 to #120 - fjisforfgts
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Thanks for teaching me an anusload..
User avatar #161 to #160 - Sethorein
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SCIENCE
User avatar #165 to #161 - fjisforfgts
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******* right, eh? This short read was more fascinating than anything I have learned in 3.5 years of high school.
User avatar #168 to #165 - Sethorein
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Highschool teaches you the fundamentals, university teaches you the higher order information. You couldn't start with the info I've explained here, gotta start with "this is a cell"
User avatar #121 to #120 - daentraya
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And now it makes sense to me. Genetics, hormones, us. That was the bridge i was looking for. Thank you for your patience. Now that i understand this, learning about both us, hormones and genetics will be quite a bit easier
User avatar #97 to #26 - daentraya
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Blank slate theory is not favored. Genetics can mark more than instincts, and the real argument is how much they effect. Another solid argument is how brains can malfunction ever so slightly. People with autism, psychopathy and other mental stuff, can get this via genetics, and it majorly shapes a person later in life

Youtube 'epigenetics'. It kinda talks about that, but opposite way, i think
User avatar #159 to #97 - fjisforfgts
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Thanks.. that's a good answer.
User avatar #162 to #159 - daentraya
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Sarcasm? Pardon me, but i'm a bumbling idiot at explaining things, and i don't know **** about this, i just know that blank slate is only kinda true in one way, and not at all if you think of it in a deeper way which is what you're supposed to do
User avatar #164 to #162 - fjisforfgts
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No, not sarcasm. It seems as if you at least know a SLIGHT bit about what I asked, and that's already loads more intelligent than I am on the topic.
User avatar #166 to #164 - daentraya
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You can read the comments below of me and Sethorein. Its basically me being all 'waat me no understand' and then going 'oh, like that, i wish somebody just told me those three words in order'
User avatar #167 to #166 - fjisforfgts
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Haha well you further-alonged the conversation, didn't you? Was fascinating to read.
User avatar #169 to #167 - daentraya
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I like me someone to cut things into little bits for me. I also learn things in a disconnected way, kinda freelearning whatever is interesting, and building a rackety bridge leading to nowhere, which isnt particularly useful. At least I'll get psychology classes in school one day, and if it's not enough, at least i can build off something
User avatar #170 to #169 - fjisforfgts
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That's what YouTube's for. For unintelligent, lazy-when-it-comes-to-school ******* like me, there's videos that explain exactly what you want to learn in science in nice 20 minute videos. I don't remember a time where I was interested for 20 consecutive minutes in a classroom.
User avatar #171 to #170 - daentraya
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I've found that physics and psychology is difficult to get a nice solid course off. On the subject of youtube, do you know the full list of educative fun channels there are, especially CrashCourse and SciShow?
User avatar #173 to #171 - fjisforfgts
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No, not those. I usually watch Vsauce and MinutePhysics. I'll check yours out though.
User avatar #174 to #173 - daentraya
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Let me add SmarterEveryDay, Vihart, ZeFrank, TodayILearned, Big Think, Mental Floss, Periodic Videos, CGP grey, ASAP science, PBS idea channel to the list, and to check out Vlogbrothers because they're wonderful human beings of wisdom, learning, silliness and caring and makes me all happy inside and love humanity and stuff like that
User avatar #133 to #26 - shinku
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No and only because the brain will never develop the same way even in identical twins.