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Wikipedia on Islamophbia. I've been lurking on Wikipedia when I came across this interesting definition of Islamophobia made by the Runnymede Report ( ), which

I've been lurking on Wikipedia when I came across this interesting definition of Islamophobia made by the Runnymede Report ( You need to login to view this link ), which is a British progressive think tank with /sarcasm incredible works like "Who cares about the white working class?"


Let's examine their definition of "closed" (and therefore in their eyes illegitimate) views on Islam point by point, and hit them with a reality check."


1. Islam is seen as a monolithic bloc, static and unresponsive to change.
While it may not be completely static, it certainly is very resistant to change, and even though many Islamic nations made some great developments towards civilisation during the middle and late 20th century, most of them quickly reverted back to fundamentalism through reactionary movements.

2. It is seen as separate and "other". It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them.
There are definitely some values that are unique to Islam, but naturally, Islamic cultures were affected by outside influences, and have affected other cultures themselves, just like any other culture on this earth. My criticism of this is that I've never heard anyone make the argument that is has NOTHING in common with other cultures.

3. It is seen as inferior to the West. It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive, and sexist.
It is.

4. It is seen as violent, aggressive, threatening, supportive of terrorism, and engaged in a clash of civilizations.
It is, by large.

5. It is seen as a political ideology, used for political or military advantage
It most definitely is. That was the whole point of the creation of the Religion. Mohammed needed a way to gain followers, to control them and to strife for world domination. The entire Religion of Islam is specifically made for this goal.

6. Criticisms made of "the West" by Muslims are rejected out of hand.
That's because most of them are utterly ridiculous. Muslims talk of "the West" like feminists talk of "the patriarchy". There certainly is legitimate criticism of western society, but the general mainstream Islamic discourse is completely void of it.

7.Hostility towards Islam is used to justify discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society.
While it is true that criticisms of Islam are often times used to justify discrimination against people who might not even adhere to the ideology, very often it is the inability or unwillingness of Muslims to integrate into western societies that is the cause of their own marginalisation.

8. Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural and normal.
There are always some knobheads who can't tell the difference between a religion and the people who identify with it. There are always some morons who rather use violence against something they don't like rather than reasoning and logic. While a hostility towards Muslims as a demographic might be questionable, hostility towards Islam as a religion and an Ideology is 100% justified.

In the last paragraph they talk about how we need to respect Islam to be critical about it. We don't need to respect anything. I don't respect Islam, nor do I respect Fascism or Marxism or any other cancerous ideology.
Sometimes it is best to respectfully disagree, and sometimes it is best to tell them to **** off.

Contrasting views on Islam [edit]
The Runnymede report contrasted "open" and "closed" views , and stated that the following eight "closed" views are equated with Islamophobia:
Islam is seen as a monolithic oloi, static and unresponsive to change.
It is seen as separate and "other". It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected Dy them and does not influence them.
It is seen as interior's the West It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive, and sexist.
It is seen as a political ideology, used for political or military advantage-
Criticisms made of "the West" Dy Muslims are rejected out of hand-
it Hostility towards Islam is used discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society.
8. hostility is seen as natural and
l It is seen as violent, aggressive, threatening, supportive , and engaged in a clash of civilizations.
These "closed" views are contrasted, in the report, with "open" views on Islam which, while founded on respect for Islam, permit legitimate disagreement, dialogue and critique? According
to Benn and ..lawed, The Runnymede Trust whoesthat discourse is increasingly seen as respectable, providing examples on how hostility towards Islam and Muslims is accepted
as normal, even among those who may actively challenge other prevalent forms
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User avatar #4 - Maroon ONLINE (4 hours ago) [-]
"open debate allows for discussion and criticism of Islam"
"all of these criticisms of Islam are Islamophobic"
#2 - anon (11 hours ago) [-]

6. Criticisms made of "the West" by Muslims are rejected out of hand.
That's because most of them are utterly ridiculous. Muslims talk of "the West" like feminists talk of "the patriarchy". There certainly is legitimate criticism of western society, but the general mainstream Islamic discourse is completely void of it.

I know right? I mean how ridiculous are Muslims have to be to criticize the west for killing 4 million Arabs in the Iraqi war, sheesh.

hostility towards Islam as a religion and an Ideology is 100% justified.

No it's not you idiot.
#1 - umbrage (11 hours ago) [-]
My problem is with their use of the term 'phobia'. That's not what phobia is. A phobia is an irrational fear.

You can hate Islam, for good reasons or awful ones, that doesn't make you Islamophobic. You can think it's wrong for gay people to get married, that doesn't make you homophobic. It means you're stupid, but it's not a phobia.

Now if the very sight of a Muslim enrages you, and/or you lose sleep at night worrying about refugees, that's Islamophobic. That's irrational fear. If you see two guys kissing and get grossed out, you're not homophobic. If you can't stand the idea that somewhere right now two guys are ******* , you're homophobic.

It's stupid. Racism/Sexism/whateverism isn't a mental illness. It's natural. Often illogical and wrong, but still a natural way of thinking, and it can't be fixed by punishing people's thoughts.
User avatar #3 to #1 - fatsigurd [OP](11 hours ago) [-]
My best friend in school was an Albanian Muslim.
I am very well capable of differentiating between a Religion and it's followers.
Many Muslims are only Muslim by name, they don't follow the atrocious commands of the Quran, they are well behaved, and they are functioning members of society. They are not my problem.
My problem is not with Arabs, or Turks or Indonesians, my problem is with the fundamentalists and political islamists, the people who actually do what the Quran tells them. Sadly, they make up a majority of the followers of Islam, some being more extreme than others and some being more moderate, but I've heard of many ex-Muslims and secular Muslims that even many of the "peaceful" Muslims silently support jihad.

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