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I hate that people are just painting GMOs with a broad brush and assuming anything that is genetically modified must be bad. There's so much good that can come from modifying crops, but people just think that GMO = poison
The thing that always bothered me about the subject of GMOs is how the discussion is ruled by corporations on both sides. You've got Monsanto pushing to completely eradicate all regulation over extend control of key markets on one side, and the Organic food companies looking to use disinformation via social networking and expand control of key markets in their own way on the other side.
I think GMOs should not be banned, but I agree that GMO products should be labeled, at least in the US.
There are inherent risks to them. We don't know how they affect people over a long period of time, for all we know there could be some stuff people have allergies to or it could increase the risk for cancer, and if nothing is known about it we may well not even know it's killing us. Now obviously it depends on the organism and what they actually do to modify it, but there still are risks to changing the proteins.
I know the reason they are modified is for the benefit of the people and the industry, but I still think we need to know more about the long term effects of GMO foods and as such they should be labeled as such if possible.
There are inherent risks to them. We don't know how they affect people over a long period of time, for all we know there could be some stuff people have allergies to or it could increase the risk for cancer, and if nothing is known about it we may well not even know it's killing us. Now obviously it depends on the organism and what they actually do to modify it, but there still are risks to changing the proteins.
I know the reason they are modified is for the benefit of the people and the industry, but I still think we need to know more about the long term effects of GMO foods and as such they should be labeled as such if possible.
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endospore (07/28/2015) [-]
The one legitimate argument is that GMOs are very new and most people don't want to be test subjects, especially where labeling is not required for GMOs. And if you care about farming, there is quite a bit of gray area from the business side, but that's a whole other issue.
I disagree with that argument on every single level since there has not yet been a single sickness linked to GMOs, but it is a valid argument.
I disagree with that argument on every single level since there has not yet been a single sickness linked to GMOs, but it is a valid argument.
we've been using genetically modified foods for the past 30 years, they are not as new as you think
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endospore (07/28/2015) [-]
GMOs as a whole, yes, but new GMOs are patented every year with no requirement to test on humans beforehand, and each new season could theoretically present new risks.
Again, it's an argument based on 'what if?' with no factual backing and I disagree with it, but it is a legitimate worry.
Again, it's an argument based on 'what if?' with no factual backing and I disagree with it, but it is a legitimate worry.
You are right about that, while past GMOs have not been any problem there do need to be laws regulating the passing of newer strains of foods.
However those might not come around until a company ***** up and produces a GMO that is harmful to people or the environment.
And when that happens you'll have people screaming about how they were right from the beginning and it'll lead to a huge ban on both good and bad GMO's. It should be a preventable problem but what can you do when there is a profit to be made.
However those might not come around until a company ***** up and produces a GMO that is harmful to people or the environment.
And when that happens you'll have people screaming about how they were right from the beginning and it'll lead to a huge ban on both good and bad GMO's. It should be a preventable problem but what can you do when there is a profit to be made.
But what are companies using them for?
Enriched white rice (I won't go into the fact that non-white rices already have the nutrients needed) is the poster child for "our companies are feeding children!" but the main pricepoints of the gmo producers are products such as roundup ready soy, wheat, corn, and flax. GMO producers don't focus on feeding people-- they focus on selling chemical-tolerant GMOs that work with the chemicals that they produce.
TL;DR both sides are full of **** . The public needs truth more.
Enriched white rice (I won't go into the fact that non-white rices already have the nutrients needed) is the poster child for "our companies are feeding children!" but the main pricepoints of the gmo producers are products such as roundup ready soy, wheat, corn, and flax. GMO producers don't focus on feeding people-- they focus on selling chemical-tolerant GMOs that work with the chemicals that they produce.
TL;DR both sides are full of **** . The public needs truth more.
What GMOs actually do is make crops disease ans pest-tolerant, by giving them specific toxins - for example Bt cotton, which produces specific toxins from the bacteria bacillus thuringiensis that only affect target insect species that actually eat the crop and are completely harmless to humans. This drastically lowers insecticide use. An example of disease resistance is papaya, which was done about 20 years ago in Hawaii, making the papaya entirely resistant to a virus. These are well known examples, and there are plenty more. Just need to Google
Chemical-tolerant GMO's make it vastly easier to grow the crops in many countries, the issue is not with them focusing on making it chemical-tolerant, the issue is that they patent these things and sue the **** out of you if you don't have a license to use them.
The people know what they're getting into when they sign up for that, though, you act as though they're hiding the fact that it doesn't make parent plants.
Roundup(glyphosate) inhibits certain catabolic enzymes in plants, which in GMO crops is countered by overproducing these enzymes. Other plants normally don't have this excess of essential proteins, so they die. However, these competing plants(tares I think they're called in English?) have already found ways to take up the crops' gene in their own genome, therefore making the original modification obsolete.
Sustainability of GMO's is a big issue.
Sustainability of GMO's is a big issue.
But not relevant to the previous statement, it's easy for farmers to use currently.
Why does every time GMO is brought up everyone screams the companies are trying to sue poor farmers, the only legal cases of them suing farmers is when the farmers continue to store and use GMO grain after their agreement with the company is ended. It's akin to someone renting a laptop and then being sued when they refuse to stop using it.
"B-but cross pollination happened and then the farmer was sued!" No legally documented cases such as these exist, those who did cry this when they were being sued were found to have reused the GMO grain from previous harvests (when they still had an agreement with the GMO company) after said contract has ended and they didn't renew it. In fact relatively recently farmers have attempted to sue GMO companies for the RISK of their harvests being cross pollinated.
In short, study the subject before you spread misinformation. Terribly ironic I have to post this on content such as it is.
Here are a few reputable sources from the last time I had to post this:
www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/07/24/top-10-myths-about-crop-biotechnology-and-gmos-heres-the-real-story/
naturalsociety.com/top-7-myths-about-gmo-foods-monsanto/
www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted
"B-but cross pollination happened and then the farmer was sued!" No legally documented cases such as these exist, those who did cry this when they were being sued were found to have reused the GMO grain from previous harvests (when they still had an agreement with the GMO company) after said contract has ended and they didn't renew it. In fact relatively recently farmers have attempted to sue GMO companies for the RISK of their harvests being cross pollinated.
In short, study the subject before you spread misinformation. Terribly ironic I have to post this on content such as it is.
Here are a few reputable sources from the last time I had to post this:
www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2013/07/24/top-10-myths-about-crop-biotechnology-and-gmos-heres-the-real-story/
naturalsociety.com/top-7-myths-about-gmo-foods-monsanto/
www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted
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anon (07/28/2015) [-]
There are actually rulings from both sides, actually. If a non-gmo farm has documented cases of gmo strains in its fields, two outcomes occurred in two separate countries. In America, the farmers got sued for utilizing Monsantos intellectual property without their knowledge (despite me believing owning an organisms DNA sequence is dangerous all ready, think Jurassic Park but with plants.) whereas in other countries the owner of the gene is sued, due to failure to prevent bio-contamination in the surrounding areas, as it is initially their responsibility.
Dont get me wrong, GMO (and remember Genetic modification does not mean Genetic Engineering) are one of the greatest biological feats of human nature. However, its peoples abuse of it which leads to issues, which i guess, is the same problem with guns, nuclear power, wealth, etc.
Dont get me wrong, GMO (and remember Genetic modification does not mean Genetic Engineering) are one of the greatest biological feats of human nature. However, its peoples abuse of it which leads to issues, which i guess, is the same problem with guns, nuclear power, wealth, etc.
Yeah this is my number one disagreement with the anti-GMO effort. They always make a claim regarding lawsuits and the claim is just not true.
There are still other issues that need to be addressed-- The lack of conclusive testing regarding their new pesticides that have come to replaced roundup one pesticide is a chemical that makes up 50% of Agent Orange, which is a bioangent made by Monsanto that was used in Vietnam and caused millions of people to experience ****** up genetic defects. But instead of testing this chemical to prove conclusively that it's harmless to the environment and consumers. Monsanto suppresses public concern for GMOs by having several dozen high ranking connections in government.
Case of gmo companies suing states over labelling theantimedia.org/monsanto-sues-vermont-claims-first-ever-gmo-labeling-law-in-u-s-violates-free-speech/
There are still other issues that need to be addressed-- The lack of conclusive testing regarding their new pesticides that have come to replaced roundup one pesticide is a chemical that makes up 50% of Agent Orange, which is a bioangent made by Monsanto that was used in Vietnam and caused millions of people to experience ****** up genetic defects. But instead of testing this chemical to prove conclusively that it's harmless to the environment and consumers. Monsanto suppresses public concern for GMOs by having several dozen high ranking connections in government.
Case of gmo companies suing states over labelling theantimedia.org/monsanto-sues-vermont-claims-first-ever-gmo-labeling-law-in-u-s-violates-free-speech/