there's also very big problems with the game

So, other games are perfect? I mean, I get that there are problems, I understand if people dont like it, but I dont understand why people are getting so pissed off that there is a game they dont like. I mean, the developer is trying new things, there is a new game engine, and they are trying to keep it fresh

you're an idiot.. that is all

So, is everyone with a different opinion and idiot?

nah, just the people who refuse to even look at the other side

It's not that I refuse to look, it's that I looked and the extreme reaction of some gamers is neurotic

How? They changed the level system, it's different and as soon as I saw it I realized people were going to bitch about it endlessly.

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This whole discussion I had with kurtanglie pretty much covers why it's a lacking Fallout game.

Oh, you're one of those

Let me summarize it.


The reason Fallout 4 is a lacking Fallout game is because Bethesda pushed focus into places for flash, such as voiced PC, instead of bringing back the witty dialogue that the other Fallouts did. Another problem is the bias your given on the factions, every faction is pointed out to be the good guy except the Institute, listen to the ******* propaganda you get 24/7 in Diamond City.

"Oh, gee, those Institute guys are real meanies."

In Fallout: New Vegas, on the way to Novac from Primm, you meet the NCR and the Legion, and you're not given bias, they're like, "We're the blibbity, and we believe in blabbity.", and you choose from there who you agree with, instead of "OMG THESE GUYS SUCK LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL HATE THEM!!!!!!!".

It's a solid stand-alone game, but it lacks as a Fallout game, in a few areas, it's the little stuff that holds it back, like the dialogue system and the faction representation, if that were to be fixed in a major update or something (I dunno how that'd work.), then Fallout would be an okay Fallout game, but they kinda stumbled in areas where they exceeded beforehand.

Am I missing something here?
I haven't played NV in a couple years but I remember everyone's attitudes being " **** the Legion, they're dangerous and evil" and "NCR are good but their effort is piss poor".
Also I think what they did with the people's reactions to the factions is pretty realistic. The reaction to the institute is mass hysteria, because they know they exist and what they're capable of. Reminds me of the red scare. And everyone of course loves the minutemen because they help people just for the purpose of being the good guys. People do not welcome the BoS because they don't give a **** about anyone in particular.
I just clearly remember the Legion being portrayed as the bad guys. idk what you're talking about

Srsly, the propaganda? That's ******* realistic, because no faction, group, organization, or nation it this entire ******* universe comes out and says "we re the evil assholes." They all say they are awesome, they all **** allover the other guys. People in fear of the powerful vilify them, and the institute is powerful.

I found it retarded that in NV nobody would tell you about any faction, that's like nobody you know having a political opinion.

The reason no one talked about the factions in New Vegas, is to present them without bias.

You're supposed to form your own opinions about the factions, not have them fed to you through a spoon.

Instead of "Here, little Johnny, have a taste of anti-*insert faction* propaganda to make sure you're healthy!", it should be, "Here's x factions, here's x faction, and here's x faction, this is what they do, have a good day.", but what Bethesda gave us instead was "HATE THIS ONE OR YOU'RE NEW-AGE HITLER.", because if you go with the Institute, you lose nearly all of your companions, whereas if you pick the Brotherhood, Railroad or Minutemen, they'll like/have no opinion about it.

I dont like the dialogue options, its always either yes, yes, no, or question. I wouldn't have minded the new 4 option thing if it was done well, but all it really gives you is 2 options to every conversation, oh, and theres not enough guns, there were more in fallout shelter for some reason.

Hey, they did a game engine upgrade, you cant expect them to be fully able to utilize all the new features. Just like when they cam out with Fallout 3, it was a new type of game on an engine that had never handled ballistics before. FNV came along and polished the existing game engine, with out adding many new features or models, then FO4 comes along with an overhauled engine. They are playing it conservative with the game design till they find out how far they can push it.

>people only hate on it because they don't like it
wow really

Not being what they want is no reason **** allover it. I really dont like assassin's creed, but I will admit that it's not a bad game, if you are into that sort of thing.

its fallout 3 with a sims minigame tacked on

Seriously? Every RPG ever made has been "go to X, do Y, return to Z", the formula is so basic that complaining about it is like complaining that they put terrain in the game.

but it was **** tbh fam

"because it isnt exactly what they want."
Perhaps if you listen to some of the critique you'd see there are plenty of valid points
Stop trying to belittle all critique just because you like a game

people will do that about the same time people stop angrily ******** on Fallout 4 like it's a 0/10 ********* on gaming because it wasn't Fallout 2, you get both sides here so if you want one side to go away address the other

Rather it's because it's not FO:NV, a game from which Bethesda could've learned a lot

even if bethesda had been the ones to make New Vegas, people would have **** on it just because it was made by bethesda, and anyone calling them out for their irrational hatred would be a "bethesdrone" or whatever NMA retards call them, just like if Obsidian had made 4 the same people would be jizzing all over themselves

Except they will never be numerous without valid reasons to actually dislike a certain game. People have plenty of reason to dislike both FO3 and FO4 to deny this is either just ignorance or fanboyism

Obsidian actually knows what makes Fallout interesting

hate bandwagons always can get huge even on little material, New Vegas was good, but is without a doubt the most unstable steaming pile of barely functioning code I have ever seen in a game released by a large company, and yet it gets praised as utter perfection on obsidian's part, and every issue the game has is just bethesda's fault, somehow, because that makes sense to hate circlejerks

Every issue is with the engine
Engine developed by Bethesda
People loved the writing
Writing written by Obsidian

fallout 3 was far more stable than new vegas

Fallout 3 had plenty of time to develop, Obsidian had 1,5 years. Again, Bethesda/Zenimax fault, for pushing the game out before it was completed

correction! Fallout new vegas had 1.5 years to develop with an engine, basic gameplay, ui, stats, etc all made for them, as well as somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of the assets, models, and the like already made and fully available for use, and they still couldn't fix ANY bugs, even after it came out

Only those who were new to Bethesda games or were extremely optimistic were disappointed with Fallout 4
I (and a lot of people) expected them to improve the FPS part of the game while watering down all RPG aspects (including story). It's the trend with all Bethesda games since Morrowind
I certainly was surprised with some things, like the Settlement system (and how shallow it is) and the Dialogue Wheel/Voiced Protagonist. I didn't think they would go this far, but AAA studios never cease to amaze me
So don't try to brush off the flaws saying that it was overhyped

I find I enjoy games a lot more when I dont build up expectations, just comparing the game play to Fallout New Vegas I can see a lot of improvements. I like the new perk system and that there are no tag skills.

I didn't build up any expectations, tho.
I've never said I didn't enjoy the game...I played like 15-20 hours? doing the main quest and some sidequest/settlement building. I liked the combat, weapon mods, gunplay basically, and that's it

Sooooo.....do you like it or not?

No, as a Fallout game it's a 6/10, I played and forgot about it the same week
I would have liked it more if it was another IP (without the Fallout elements)
Maybe when mods come around and we can transform it in some kind of STLAKER-like game, I'll play it again

When you say "stalker like" what exactly do you mean, keeping in mind that I never played stalker

STALKER games are basically you, your AK-47, some vodka and the Zone aka mutant and bandit infested hellhole
So basically, remove RPG elements (they are already pretty useless) and become a full FPS survival orientated
Something like this www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/57927/?

That's gay

why?

If I wanted to play another game I would go play another game.

But because Fallout 4 is **** , I prefer it to be STALKER 2 than Fallout, so....

>What you want is a game like fallout 1 & 2 [...] where its mainly story focused
>Thats not what these games(talking about Fallout games) are.
Give it another thought and we will talk
btw, New Vegas seemed to do pretty good with the exploration+story thing. Witcher 3 too, good grahics, combat and story.
I don't know where do you get that they are mutually exclusive

Choices matter a lot, but they don't have much to say in the epilogue if that's what you mean.

You can choose to help or refuse to help someone at more or less any time. For example help Triss or not extracting mages? If you help Novigrad will vent out it's rage on non-humans instead.

Small details like that all over the place makes the game come alive and your choices meaningful.

What you want is all different outcomes and the result of all your helping etc to be mentioned in the ending? Most of them are not. These details that I mentioned and 99% of all quests will have a conclution then and there and will or never be mentioned again or barely mentioned in passing (like the thing with Priscilla). In some cases there will be something different at a place if you visit it again later.

When it comes to the main story there are only a few choices as you said
Major spoilers: Kill Djikstra or not? Make Ciri an empress, a witcher or kill her. Kill Radovid or not. Triss or Yen.

But that's just not true. You don't see those kind of titles so often because it's hard to make, specially when you can do what F4 did and call it a day
I ask again, what about New Vegas? Sure, Obsidian already had engine+some assets, but the same thing can be said about Fallout 4 reusing Skyrim's engine
What about Deus Ex: HR? Recent title, with more than 1 way to tackle the missions, super detailed enviorments, 400-something ebooks/newspapers/books to read an immerse yourself in the story...
Again, you are just making excuses for the lazy devs to keep pumping shallow open world games
Hey, another example comes to mind, MGS:V. At least the first chapter: good graphics, amazing open world, good story

It's a Fallout game, there's some things that are assumed. Or were assumed at least

Don't know what your point is... I'm complaining about how the Fallout franchise is heading the inevitable path all franchise seem to follow nowadays and Fallout 4 is a perfect example of this
You are saying I can't complain because nobody is saying otherwise? That's ********

Extreme example here, If Fallout 5 is a MOBA, would you complain, even if Bethesda described it as a MOBA? Following your logic, you couldn't complain, but I think we can agree it would be a ****** thing, right?

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As you said, it would be pretty stupid to buy it if I know what I was getting
you are sending me mixed messages, man
pic related to your faggotry

I was going to be excite for the game until I realised that bethesda hasn't made a game I enjoyed since Oblivion (the first TES I put time into)

Skyrim was a shallow flop, Fo3 didn't catch me enough to explore the wasteland as much as I did and New Vegas, and Fallout 4 not only looks UGLY as hell everything looks like the fake plastic you see on halloween toys but it watered down the rpg systems from before

I don't hate fallout 4.

It's just "meh" because it's extremely forgettable and bland. Characters are boring & without much of any personality and quests are even more so.

Besides, it's very linear without choices.

Aye, with 3x dmg increase mod (both taken and given) I find it to be a fun shooter. There are games like Wolfenstein that does that way better however.

It was marketed heavily and hyped up It gets most gamers all the time.

Definitely. AAA Games like Fallout 4 have weird development budget to marketing budget ratios. CoD had for example 3x as high marketing budget as their development budget.