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anon (11/05/2015) [-]
Publishers, not devs. Devs work their asses off and get ********** by the publishers. This is the thing that bothers me about the gaming community. Most people see no distinction between the game studio vs. publishers.
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psychadelicace (11/04/2015) [-] I don't pre-order games because they always have problems so i just wait a few months depending on the game to get it less bugged and even no bugs. Plus it's always cheaper later on
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sequel (11/05/2015) [-] Only games I've preordered was the Binding of Isaac Rebirth and Afterbirth.
I had absolutely no issues with Rebirth (despite the bugs I've heard about).
Afterbirth.. could use some fixing right now..
Well both were at a reduced price when preordering. I think it took half a year for Rebirth to have a sale larger than the preorder sale. Game is still keeping me busy from the moment I bought it, straight to now.
I had absolutely no issues with Rebirth (despite the bugs I've heard about).
Afterbirth.. could use some fixing right now..
Well both were at a reduced price when preordering. I think it took half a year for Rebirth to have a sale larger than the preorder sale. Game is still keeping me busy from the moment I bought it, straight to now.
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fuzzyballs (11/04/2015) [-] not if you include the pre-order DLC
the price doesn't drop THAT much in a few months
the price doesn't drop THAT much in a few months
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gongwiththewind (11/04/2015) [-]
Especially with AAA devs..
Skyrim cost the same as day one for almost a year....
not waiting that long to play FO4
Skyrim cost the same as day one for almost a year....
not waiting that long to play FO4
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fuzzyballs (11/04/2015) [-] FO 4 is easy
no online? no problem
just torrent it until you want to buy it
no online? no problem
just torrent it until you want to buy it
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fuzzyballs (11/04/2015) [-] torrents don't work that well with Origin, since you need to be connected with an account to play it, and Dragon Age isn't a very popular game series
and I lost interest after DA 2
and I lost interest after DA 2
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fuzzyballs (11/04/2015) [-] they went th Mass Effect 1 and 2 route
5 main quests which are decent, and a buttload of filler fetch quests
not bad, not great
not worth full price though
5 main quests which are decent, and a buttload of filler fetch quests
not bad, not great
not worth full price though
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fuzzyballs (11/04/2015) [-] didn't you just say you played 2? then you'd know 2 was done in stages
not 5 main quests and done
not 5 main quests and done
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fuzzyballs (11/04/2015) [-] good things? I had to slug through it to finish it, and when I tried to play through it again, I never got past the first stage
doing the same things, in the same, re-used locations (they didn't even bother changing the minimap, they just put like a grey square where the passage would be so you can't go through) gets old pretty ******* fast
with no likable characters, story, or gameplay, DA 2 is just ****
like
really, really ****
and I ******* LOVE Origins, I played through that at least 10 times, there isn't anyone out there more dissapointed by what they did than I am
and then there's Inquistion
good for one playthrough and done (even though I couldn't finish it on my first time because it was just stupid "go there get that/kill that" quests over and over in 4 big locations that, while different from eachother, the areas themselves get repetitive
doing the same things, in the same, re-used locations (they didn't even bother changing the minimap, they just put like a grey square where the passage would be so you can't go through) gets old pretty ******* fast
with no likable characters, story, or gameplay, DA 2 is just ****
like
really, really ****
and I ******* LOVE Origins, I played through that at least 10 times, there isn't anyone out there more dissapointed by what they did than I am
and then there's Inquistion
good for one playthrough and done (even though I couldn't finish it on my first time because it was just stupid "go there get that/kill that" quests over and over in 4 big locations that, while different from eachother, the areas themselves get repetitive
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miscreant ONLINE (11/04/2015) [-] I'm not sure, I might've been equally or more disappointed than you.
Origins is my most played game with 26 story playthroughs, 11 of which were 100% completion.
The combat in 2 was fairly enjoyable though, but I don't have time to make a list of the things I absolutely despised.
Origins is my most played game with 26 story playthroughs, 11 of which were 100% completion.
The combat in 2 was fairly enjoyable though, but I don't have time to make a list of the things I absolutely despised.
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fuzzyballs (11/05/2015) [-] we're talking about price drops after release
not prices on third party sites
it was €45 on G2A during their sales, big whoop
it's annoying when you're talking about one thing, and someone butts in to talk about another thing
what's the point even?
not prices on third party sites
it was €45 on G2A during their sales, big whoop
it's annoying when you're talking about one thing, and someone butts in to talk about another thing
what's the point even?
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noburt (11/05/2015) [-]
I follow this, they'll post deals on it
teksyndicate.com/
example-
teksyndicate.com/news/2015/11/02/cod-black-ops-iii-4379-gtx-970-newegg-270
teksyndicate.com/
example-
teksyndicate.com/news/2015/11/02/cod-black-ops-iii-4379-gtx-970-newegg-270
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dirtypizza (11/05/2015) [-]
Well if it's a game that was developed by Bethesda you could just wait for the Game of the Year edition at the end of the year.
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nocakeforthetroll ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-] As much as people give triple a games, Bethesda in particular, **** for being buggy on release but it no near as bad as people make it out to be honestly. The bugs are almost never game breaking, at most the bug will get you stuck in a wall or lose an item. Off the top of my head the only glitch I remember in skyrim that broke my game on day one was a glitch where farkas the guy from the companions didn't turn into a werewolf and I was stuck there. Annoying, but a reload fixed it.
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JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-] And it also gives you time to realise if the game itself is completely ******* dog **** and its not worth the money.
Pre-orders force you into a commitment. The lazier the developers, the more keen they will be for you to commit your money, so the more bonuses they'll offer in return for your gamble.
As gamers, we should be highly suspicious of game developers that are eager for us to part with our cash before we've had the chance to watch gameplay and reviews. Perhaps its my mindset but does it not seem a little deceptive?
Pre-orders force you into a commitment. The lazier the developers, the more keen they will be for you to commit your money, so the more bonuses they'll offer in return for your gamble.
As gamers, we should be highly suspicious of game developers that are eager for us to part with our cash before we've had the chance to watch gameplay and reviews. Perhaps its my mindset but does it not seem a little deceptive?
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JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-] 1. only on steam
2. that was only introduced recently and it saved everyone's ******* ass that bought arkham knight
also the refund system has probably made a SERIOUS dent in the sales figure for many games companies and for good reason.
2. that was only introduced recently and it saved everyone's ******* ass that bought arkham knight
also the refund system has probably made a SERIOUS dent in the sales figure for many games companies and for good reason.
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cosmiccactus ONLINE (11/04/2015) [-] I get the hype, but no preorders. They were nice and there aren't really many bonuses for doing so.
Bethesda has a history of releasing buggy games and then for some reason not fixing them. The community should not be expected to patch your game.
I was never much of a fan, so I'm not part of the crazy hype, but I would suggest at the very least giving it some time after release before picking up a copy unless you are the most absolute of diehard fans.
Bethesda has a history of releasing buggy games and then for some reason not fixing them. The community should not be expected to patch your game.
I was never much of a fan, so I'm not part of the crazy hype, but I would suggest at the very least giving it some time after release before picking up a copy unless you are the most absolute of diehard fans.
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fuzzyballs (11/04/2015) [-] here's the thing
why would I NOT pre-order a game, from a major company that you KNOW will make a good game
it won't be perfect, but it'll be good
and there's no stupid pre-order bonus, so it doesn't matter if I pre-order, or buy it on the day of release
and I don't care about bugs because I already know the console because of Oblivion and Skyrim to get out when I'm stuck
why would I NOT pre-order a game, from a major company that you KNOW will make a good game
it won't be perfect, but it'll be good
and there's no stupid pre-order bonus, so it doesn't matter if I pre-order, or buy it on the day of release
and I don't care about bugs because I already know the console because of Oblivion and Skyrim to get out when I'm stuck
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instalation (11/05/2015) [-] This is why. This is why I don't preorder from devs that I "know" will make a good game. Bungie was great. Halo 3 was fantastic, Halo Reach brought some new stuff to the table. So when Bungie talked about leaving Halo, but going on to build their own new world? I was excited. Because Bungie had never let me down. Not with Halo 1, or Halo 2. Hell, even ODST was alright for a story driven game.
But then they released Destiny. They started acting like EA. I was highly disappointed with it. I know that Bethesda won't do the same. But then again, I used to "know" that Bungie would never do that.
But then they released Destiny. They started acting like EA. I was highly disappointed with it. I know that Bethesda won't do the same. But then again, I used to "know" that Bungie would never do that.
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fuzzyballs (11/05/2015) [-] I never thought Destiny would be a good game
and hey, I was right!
and hey, I was right!
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fuzzyballs (11/05/2015) [-] but there's no risk when it's a major company
you KNOW it's coming out
you KNOW it's coming out
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fuzzyballs (11/05/2015) [-] you KNOW they will fix most bugs, and you KNOW it has a big enough fanbase to mod out the rest, and then mod in all the good **** you want
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fuzzyballs (11/08/2015) [-] it's their third game in the series
right after two games
I KNOW I'm going to enjoy it
right after two games
I KNOW I'm going to enjoy it
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fuzzyballs (11/08/2015) [-] after two good games*
even though they didn't make NV, Obsidian did
and they should have let Obsidian make 4
even though they didn't make NV, Obsidian did
and they should have let Obsidian make 4
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guillem (11/05/2015) [-] I am sorry that you couldn't get it, but rejoice brother there is no reason to be sad! You'll be playing the **** out of the game anyway.
I am starting to feel the physical symptoms of the hype, I can't sleep well at night and I'm on a freaking permanent ecstasy state.
The hype is ******* real this time, FIVE ******* DAYS TO GO!
I am starting to feel the physical symptoms of the hype, I can't sleep well at night and I'm on a freaking permanent ecstasy state.
The hype is ******* real this time, FIVE ******* DAYS TO GO!
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megaflak (11/05/2015) [-] gonna stop implying for practical reasons
removing all customization when it comes to armors is a terrible idea for bethesda to do for a series that used to have more depth than a kitty pool made for all ages
back to fallout however, the story was atrocious, and was a huge turn from 2 to 3. The problem with 3 was the fact that is was extremely generic in a game series that had pretty good plot and amazing characters. This was brought back whenever obsidian took over for nv, but they've resorted to crowdfunding by now so they're a long way from triple a
removing all customization when it comes to armors is a terrible idea for bethesda to do for a series that used to have more depth than a kitty pool made for all ages
back to fallout however, the story was atrocious, and was a huge turn from 2 to 3. The problem with 3 was the fact that is was extremely generic in a game series that had pretty good plot and amazing characters. This was brought back whenever obsidian took over for nv, but they've resorted to crowdfunding by now so they're a long way from triple a
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Visual (11/06/2015) [-] Honestly now?
I see your point, but I still don't believe your point is valid in saying that the games are "dumbed down" now. They've veered away from focusing everything on story-telling (because let's be honest, the combat in the original isometric Fallouts is an acquired taste and not nearly as fun as the combat now) and focused on having a whole lot more elements come together rather than a few.
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that dialogue options take a hit mainly due to the constraints that voice acting brings but I see what Bethesda is trying to do, they're trying to make it as "life-like" (and therefore streamlined) as possible by not having time stop, not having you locked into place, not having you stare dead center into the persons eyes and weird, "uncanny valley" dialogue where you can ask one thing to the NPC, get one kind of response that obviously indicates a certain mood (i.e. angry response, happy response, etc.) and then another dialogue option instantly changes it to another mood that really takes you out of it (i.e. saying something to piss off an NPC and then say "later" and they say goodbye super friendly and smiling).
I honestly don't get the whole "dialogue is dumbed down" complaint when really the difference with the dialogue options in the old games were just wittier and fleshed out responses but the entire atmosphere of the conversation was just immersion-breaking. They did the conversation differently with Skyrim because of everyone's complaints that Oblivion had a weird as **** conversation system. I watched the leaks of Fallout 4 and the dialogue system still seems fleshed out and even better than the old games. The descriptors on the conversation options aren't vague like Mass Effect and truly say what they describe (most of the time anyway, there was the odd option here and there that wasn't very descriptive but most of the time those options didn't have much impact).
And what do you mean about the armor customization? Honestly they also took out the unnecessary fluff that comes with armor customization, and leaves you with the parts you really care about; the overall stats and the looks.
I honestly really like where Bethesda is going but they've dug themselves into a hole just because the open-world nature of the game. They can't please everyone because everyone likes to play the game differently. People complained about the Oblivion conversation system being weird and obtuse and then complained about Skyrim being shallow. They need to attract more customers because they're still a company that needs to make profits and the old games won't retain as many fans like the new games have been doing but they also can't appease the complaints of everyone.
They just can't win.
I see your point, but I still don't believe your point is valid in saying that the games are "dumbed down" now. They've veered away from focusing everything on story-telling (because let's be honest, the combat in the original isometric Fallouts is an acquired taste and not nearly as fun as the combat now) and focused on having a whole lot more elements come together rather than a few.
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that dialogue options take a hit mainly due to the constraints that voice acting brings but I see what Bethesda is trying to do, they're trying to make it as "life-like" (and therefore streamlined) as possible by not having time stop, not having you locked into place, not having you stare dead center into the persons eyes and weird, "uncanny valley" dialogue where you can ask one thing to the NPC, get one kind of response that obviously indicates a certain mood (i.e. angry response, happy response, etc.) and then another dialogue option instantly changes it to another mood that really takes you out of it (i.e. saying something to piss off an NPC and then say "later" and they say goodbye super friendly and smiling).
I honestly don't get the whole "dialogue is dumbed down" complaint when really the difference with the dialogue options in the old games were just wittier and fleshed out responses but the entire atmosphere of the conversation was just immersion-breaking. They did the conversation differently with Skyrim because of everyone's complaints that Oblivion had a weird as **** conversation system. I watched the leaks of Fallout 4 and the dialogue system still seems fleshed out and even better than the old games. The descriptors on the conversation options aren't vague like Mass Effect and truly say what they describe (most of the time anyway, there was the odd option here and there that wasn't very descriptive but most of the time those options didn't have much impact).
And what do you mean about the armor customization? Honestly they also took out the unnecessary fluff that comes with armor customization, and leaves you with the parts you really care about; the overall stats and the looks.
I honestly really like where Bethesda is going but they've dug themselves into a hole just because the open-world nature of the game. They can't please everyone because everyone likes to play the game differently. People complained about the Oblivion conversation system being weird and obtuse and then complained about Skyrim being shallow. They need to attract more customers because they're still a company that needs to make profits and the old games won't retain as many fans like the new games have been doing but they also can't appease the complaints of everyone.
They just can't win.
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Visual (11/06/2015) [-] They're a company, they need to make profits for how stupidly expensive these games get and the quite frankly, there's a reason traditional RPG's aren't mainstream. It's because they're initially boring and require a good amount of conditioning (depending on what kind of player you are) to start enjoying. And usually those kind of games require that you sit down to play for at least an hour at a time to have fun and most people might not simply have the time nor patience to do it. So they start streamlining their games to make it accessible WHILE trying to appease the fans. That's why they implemented a bunch of mods from previous titles as features the game offers such as sprinting using AP and heavily modifiable weaponry. Everything can't be perfect dude, it's business but they're trying to make it a fun game in general.
Game design is a bitch now, it's not as simple as it used to be back in the day.
Game design is a bitch now, it's not as simple as it used to be back in the day.
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megaflak (11/06/2015) [-] One thing however is that f3 has sold around 4.7 million copies by today, whilst fnv sold more than 5 million by 2010, so streamlining fallout games isnt making them sell better. Besides, making a game approachable probably has more to do with a learning curve, not the complexity of a game. For example, civ v has a well balanced learning curve, whilst a majority of paradox games (eu4, ck2, vicky2, etc) have a steep learning curve. The thing is, both titles have roughly the same amount of complexity, but paradox has no real difficulty setting or true tutorial, whilst civ v handles this perfectly.
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megaflak (11/15/2015) [-] well I've finished the game, and it's honestly beat all my expectations except for ui, that's **** Armor layering is gud, varied voice actors, a lot of extra quests, extremely hard choices when it comes to which faction to join. I will forgive the ending for not giving what happens afterwards, and your future with the other characters as the game continues after the end
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megaflak (11/06/2015) [-] With all the preorder sales and hype and new fans the game has attracted, I'm sure they could handle the cost of new assets. Also, they have been working on the game for 7 years, 4 years full time. Is it really that hard to surpass a game which was worked on for 1 year (nv)? Also, it took them about 2 years to make fallout 3, assets voice casting quests story and the whole potato. I know that it's now current gen, and they had to work on more stuff than usual, but they still need to look back at the previous titles or else it will be just 4 years wasted.
At this point though, we've entered the realm of theorizing, and I know my little brother preordered it, so I'll tell you about it on release date
At this point though, we've entered the realm of theorizing, and I know my little brother preordered it, so I'll tell you about it on release date
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orangelightning (11/05/2015) [-] Inb4 obsidian starts a kickstarter saying they will make a fallout game only if they reach 1mil while still being contracted by Bethesda
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pocketstooheavy (11/05/2015) [-] Jeez, I didn't know so many people on FunnyJunk hate video games...
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anon (11/05/2015) [-]
I don't know how you haven't seen the reasoning yet. Pre-ordering allows game devs to have guaranteed sales even if their game is unfinished or buggy. (See Assassin's Creed and the Batman games) And if you're a PC gamer, there is literally no point in pre-ordering since digital copies are pretty much infinite.
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JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-] Pre-orders tell game developers that hype will make them money. Then they'll just generate hype instead of making good games. It's already happening.
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pocketstooheavy (11/05/2015) [-] Because they hurt the industry? If you pre-order, you're telling the publishers that you're OK with paying a whole bunch for a product that hasn't even been finished yet, and that you're willing to blindly accept anything they give you, regardless of its quality.
Pre-orders are anti-consumer. Make an informed decision and wait until it comes out so you can see reviews, gameplay footage, or whatever else you want to ensure it's something you want to put your money towards. If you do that and make an informed decision about a purchase you make, good for you. If you blindly pre-order, you're telling the companies you don't want to make actual decisions and that you want what they push out.
Pre-orders are anti-consumer. Make an informed decision and wait until it comes out so you can see reviews, gameplay footage, or whatever else you want to ensure it's something you want to put your money towards. If you do that and make an informed decision about a purchase you make, good for you. If you blindly pre-order, you're telling the companies you don't want to make actual decisions and that you want what they push out.
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JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-] Some games release gameplay footage before they come out and some don't.
Gameplay footage is pretty much all that matters. Cinematic trailers can suck my dick im not here to watch a movie.
I'd pre-order a game that I'd seen gameplay footage of. Anything else is blindly supporting a developer.
Gameplay footage is pretty much all that matters. Cinematic trailers can suck my dick im not here to watch a movie.
I'd pre-order a game that I'd seen gameplay footage of. Anything else is blindly supporting a developer.
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JonathanNowFuckYou (11/05/2015) [-] yes they overhyped it. On purpose. Like destiny as well that fizzled out so quick I literally didn't even notice. That same overhyping is what made them a lot of money for a sub-par game. This tells developers that all they have to do is generate enough hype, make an overbloomed lens flare cinematic trailer and they can forget about making a game that is fun. It is totally about the message it sends to devs.
They are out to make money. We need to tell them that fun games will make them money. Not shiny trailer graphics. Not ******* ****** bonus bait content for a game we haven't even played yet. Not the piggybacking of an already successful series like with all these horrible "reboots" that are laughably lazy and ill-received (Thief).
They are out to make money. We need to tell them that fun games will make them money. Not shiny trailer graphics. Not ******* ****** bonus bait content for a game we haven't even played yet. Not the piggybacking of an already successful series like with all these horrible "reboots" that are laughably lazy and ill-received (Thief).
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vbss (11/05/2015) [-] so you cant ever trust somebody, like smash if you know its ganna be good why not gibe em the money already is saves time. and i never knew 5$ was a holy bunch pfft.
i would not blindy accpect anything anyone gives me, they need to gain my trust. if the company has a good track recorder (Nintendo) ill give em my 5$ becuase i KNOW it'll be a good game
i would not blindy accpect anything anyone gives me, they need to gain my trust. if the company has a good track recorder (Nintendo) ill give em my 5$ becuase i KNOW it'll be a good game
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pocketstooheavy (11/05/2015) [-] It's not about the money, it's about the message as Jokerly as that sounds .
And no, don't trust game companies. Why would you anymore? We've seen time and time again where game companies put the interests of their shareholders over their customers. I refuse to be treated like that, so I don't pre-order. If you want to be treated like ATMs, go ahead, continue to pre-order, but keep in mind that you're hurting everyone else in the industry.
And no, don't trust game companies. Why would you anymore? We've seen time and time again where game companies put the interests of their shareholders over their customers. I refuse to be treated like that, so I don't pre-order. If you want to be treated like ATMs, go ahead, continue to pre-order, but keep in mind that you're hurting everyone else in the industry.
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vbss (11/05/2015) [-] tell me your time and time again? besides cash cows (microsfot, EA). Ohhh share holders. you dont want their opinion when there keeping you up float. how am i being treted like an ATM at anytime i can change my mid. i am hurting no one, im just showing trust to a companies i know will come out with da good stuff. get your head of of the big gamea theroy
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pocketstooheavy (11/05/2015) [-] Q: How do you know if TotalBiscuit's arguments are better than someones'?
A: Don't worry, they'll say something poor about TB.
A: Don't worry, they'll say something poor about TB.
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pocketstooheavy (11/05/2015) [-] Well, I think TB and I won this one.
Good luck next time!
Good luck next time!
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respirator (11/05/2015) [-] >Fallout series has amazing lore from day one
>Every game in the series has amazing replay value
>Me, and a bunch of other people have every fallout game preceding this one
I mean we all know Fo4 is going to be hours and hours of playtime in the world we have all come to love so damn much. All pre-ordering and by extension pre-loading accomplishes is being able to play the game slightly before everyone else.
I'll admit that I pre-ordered Borderlands The Pre-sequel and even though it was ultimately a disappointment and imo not worth the $90, I'm still not sorry I got to play it with my friends the second it came out because it was pre-loaded.
>Every game in the series has amazing replay value
>Me, and a bunch of other people have every fallout game preceding this one
I mean we all know Fo4 is going to be hours and hours of playtime in the world we have all come to love so damn much. All pre-ordering and by extension pre-loading accomplishes is being able to play the game slightly before everyone else.
I'll admit that I pre-ordered Borderlands The Pre-sequel and even though it was ultimately a disappointment and imo not worth the $90, I'm still not sorry I got to play it with my friends the second it came out because it was pre-loaded.
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anon (11/05/2015) [-] All this time when FunnyJunk preached "no pre-orders!" and as soon as it's the fanboys own game, then that **** is a-okay!
Don't do the talk if you can't walk the walk.
Don't do the talk if you can't walk the walk.
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anon (11/05/2015) [-]
Because pre-ordering is just pure greed these days. Back in the day there were only a limited number of physical copies to be had on release day, so pre-ordering would ensure you could get one and not have to camp outside the store for a week before launch waiting in line. In the era of digital distribution a la Steam, there simply is no such thing as a limited supply any more, so the only way game publishers can sell pre-orders nowadays is by offering exclusive stuff and jacking up the price of this special edition.
As long as people keep buying into it, publishers will keep doing it. And it's only getting worse. Just look at Evolve, you needed a ******* spreadsheet to figure out which of the half-dozen pre-order editions contained the most/best stuff or the stuff you wanted most, or which was simply the best value for the money. Or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided when they tried that egregious "augment your pre-order" ***** where more people shelling out the cash unlocked higher tiers of "rewards" where you literally had to pick between 2 or more things that in one instance included actual game content. Missions that effect the ******* story. As a pre-order. All because people keep falling for it. Thankfully they realized what a huge mistake that was when just about everyone on Earth got pissed off at them for it and decided to do away with it, but that it even happened at all just goes to show how the game publishers will go to extremes to try and wring more cash out of you.
As long as people keep buying into it, publishers will keep doing it. And it's only getting worse. Just look at Evolve, you needed a ******* spreadsheet to figure out which of the half-dozen pre-order editions contained the most/best stuff or the stuff you wanted most, or which was simply the best value for the money. Or Deus Ex: Mankind Divided when they tried that egregious "augment your pre-order" ***** where more people shelling out the cash unlocked higher tiers of "rewards" where you literally had to pick between 2 or more things that in one instance included actual game content. Missions that effect the ******* story. As a pre-order. All because people keep falling for it. Thankfully they realized what a huge mistake that was when just about everyone on Earth got pissed off at them for it and decided to do away with it, but that it even happened at all just goes to show how the game publishers will go to extremes to try and wring more cash out of you.
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malinko (11/05/2015) [-] because when you pre-order and it turns out to be a ****** game, you are lost out of your money, the customer loses confidence in the companies. consumer confidence was the cause of the crash back in the 80's.
but, if you dont pre-order, wait and find out if its a good game, it forces the company to make sure their games are good, or no one will buy it.
I dont know why people pre-order anyway. you can just wait for the game to come out, watch some review videos, read some articles, then decide if you want it. its not like you wouldn't be able to get the game if you didnt pre-order.
but, if you dont pre-order, wait and find out if its a good game, it forces the company to make sure their games are good, or no one will buy it.
I dont know why people pre-order anyway. you can just wait for the game to come out, watch some review videos, read some articles, then decide if you want it. its not like you wouldn't be able to get the game if you didnt pre-order.
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captainprincess (11/05/2015) [-] sure but
what would humans be if we didnt try to tell everyone "hey I think the way Im doing it might be pretty good yall should try this"
thats kind of how the basis of society works
what would humans be if we didnt try to tell everyone "hey I think the way Im doing it might be pretty good yall should try this"
thats kind of how the basis of society works
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Greevon (11/05/2015) [-] But as society we also need to understand that nothing is right for everyone. We all have different wants, needs, and means to get those wants and needs.
It stops being helpful when it turns from "Hey, I'm trying to help you out, you might consider doing this" to "Don't do this, you're stupid if you do, I know best."
And that's what this dumb "no preorder" **** has become. It's a bunch of people acting condescending and acting like they know best for everyone as individuals. Instead of saying what they have been and being increasingly militaristic and acting as thought police, they should just tell people to be mindful and pay attention to what they are getting out of a purchase.
It stops being helpful when it turns from "Hey, I'm trying to help you out, you might consider doing this" to "Don't do this, you're stupid if you do, I know best."
And that's what this dumb "no preorder" **** has become. It's a bunch of people acting condescending and acting like they know best for everyone as individuals. Instead of saying what they have been and being increasingly militaristic and acting as thought police, they should just tell people to be mindful and pay attention to what they are getting out of a purchase.
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captainprincess (11/05/2015) [-] yeah yeah I know
but I mean it's the habit of doing it that way that's the driving force behind why we approach even this like we do
but I mean it's the habit of doing it that way that's the driving force behind why we approach even this like we do
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ADeadlYLepricoN (11/05/2015) [-] It also doesn't fit my g4, so I can't use it for the game. Yet here I am. not cancelling the preorder.
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mcmanybucks (11/05/2015) [-] how is preordering ruining industries? isnt it just like saying "hey, i want that", "its not out yet", "k, but whne its out, save one for me please?" "k"
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battledude (11/05/2015) [-] there are more than enough now you dont need one saved for you
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mcmanybucks (11/05/2015) [-] I was gonna go digital though..i havent bought a disc game since 2003
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whitie (11/05/2015) [-] Its really about what companies you pre order from, bethesda is a reliable company that makes quality products consistently, its not as bad to to pre order from companies that have a "pedigree" of quality
But the activisions and the ubisofts of the world use this to take content that they would otherwise just give to you, and make it a bonus insentive to pre order it, and once they have your money theres nothing stopping them from delivering a ****** regurgitated product that doesn't change anything from the previous entries of its series
But the activisions and the ubisofts of the world use this to take content that they would otherwise just give to you, and make it a bonus insentive to pre order it, and once they have your money theres nothing stopping them from delivering a ****** regurgitated product that doesn't change anything from the previous entries of its series
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icedcarbon (11/05/2015) [-] Are they really that reliable? watch in 3 months when 4 DLCs with extra stories or some **** comes out and you can either pay $20 for each one or buy the "Special Game of the Year Premium Expansion Packs Digital Deluxe Edition" for double the price of the original release.
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mcmanybucks (11/05/2015) [-] Well..ive only ever really preorered Battlefront 3, Fallout 4, and i think i was a part of the Archage amber or whatever..
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lincolnpenis (11/05/2015) [-] Don't pre-order from companies you know are dirt, yeah. Much like Rockstar or Naughty Dog, Bethesda simply aren't.
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lincolnpenis (11/05/2015) [-] I believe that's exactly what we had in Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim and that is was absolutely fine. Except in this one they've crammed even more per foot than before.
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anon (11/05/2015) [-]
Except when you pre-order, you aren't supporting just the developer, you're supporting the publisher too. It's the developer's job to make a game, it's the publisher's job to sell it, and the publishers take a cut. It's very rare that a studio is both the publisher and the developer (Bethesda and Rockstar), and in the cases where the developer isn't the publisher (Naughty Dog), the publisher can influence the final product.
If a publisher that owns a developer (like EA owns BioWare, Microsoft owns 343 Industries, and Sony owns Naughty Dog), wants something about a game changes because it doesn't "appeal to a wider audience" they can lean on the developer until they change it, or simply refuse to publish at all in its current state.
The publishers come up with the pre-order packages and then have the developer do what they need to to create or lock up the exclusive content. Exclusive content = more expensive package = bigger cut of profit. These days pre-ordering is little more than a greedy scam by publishers to nickel and dime the consumer.
If a publisher that owns a developer (like EA owns BioWare, Microsoft owns 343 Industries, and Sony owns Naughty Dog), wants something about a game changes because it doesn't "appeal to a wider audience" they can lean on the developer until they change it, or simply refuse to publish at all in its current state.
The publishers come up with the pre-order packages and then have the developer do what they need to to create or lock up the exclusive content. Exclusive content = more expensive package = bigger cut of profit. These days pre-ordering is little more than a greedy scam by publishers to nickel and dime the consumer.
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anon (11/05/2015) [-] >Be Bethesda fan because dank RPG's
>Start cutting RPG content
>People still buy
>Cut even more RPG content and visuals and dialogue
>Get even more preorders.
I loved Bethesda, they were one my favourite devs, it hurts me to see their new RPG-LITE status quo succeed like this. I feel like we'll never get a great, deep RPG from them again.
>Start cutting RPG content
>People still buy
>Cut even more RPG content and visuals and dialogue
>Get even more preorders.
I loved Bethesda, they were one my favourite devs, it hurts me to see their new RPG-LITE status quo succeed like this. I feel like we'll never get a great, deep RPG from them again.
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StickyTissueLoLz (11/05/2015) [-] >Go to Gamestop
>Pre-order game
>Put down $1
>Cancel pre-order if game gets bad reviews.
Lmao, guess I'm just ruining the industry by not giving any money to the developers unless I actually get the pre-ordered game instead of cancelling. You guys are ******* idiots. Have fun being butt hurt about other people's decisions while I have fun playing video games.
>Pre-order game
>Put down $1
>Cancel pre-order if game gets bad reviews.
Lmao, guess I'm just ruining the industry by not giving any money to the developers unless I actually get the pre-ordered game instead of cancelling. You guys are ******* idiots. Have fun being butt hurt about other people's decisions while I have fun playing video games.
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kingderps (11/05/2015) [-]
pre-ordering should only debit 20% of your money, the 80% should stay in a buffer account until after the game is full release, then anyone that wants their 80% refunded get's it and their game is removed from their account.
What this does:
Devs get upfront finance to help pay the rest of development (even big AA games get cancelled) and they can get more leeway from their bosses to continue development.
Devs know that if they don't follow through with the game to a solid finish it can still go sour.
More players are willing to pre-order knowing their can get most of their money back hassle free if the game sucks ass after full release.
What this does:
Devs get upfront finance to help pay the rest of development (even big AA games get cancelled) and they can get more leeway from their bosses to continue development.
Devs know that if they don't follow through with the game to a solid finish it can still go sour.
More players are willing to pre-order knowing their can get most of their money back hassle free if the game sucks ass after full release.
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graboidzero (11/05/2015) [-] Remember lads, if you just wait for the full release and then some, patches will be out, bugs will be fixed, the designated wikia page will be bursting with info AND on top of all that, the game will be cheaper.
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pkashp ONLINE (11/05/2015) [-] Now, see, here's the thing.
Pre-ordering is a system built on trust. The deal is that you give a Dev/Publisher money to help them get the game finished and, in return, you get a little bonus to thank you for trusting them to deliver a good game. But most publishers have taken advantage of this deal by pushing devs to get unfinished games out the door as fast as possible, creating ****** games. This has ruined gamers trust in the very idea of pre-ordering, because Devs are forced by publishers to go back on their word by taking the money and handing over a steamy pile of **** that gamers are expected to take a big ol bite out of.
All this is commonly accepted fact.
Normally, I never pre-order, because I do not trust this system. Some are willing to give a Dev/Publisher the benefit of the doubt and pre-order without establishing a history of trust first. This is almost invariably a mistake, as most publishers will happily take your trust (and money) and ******* book it without ever looking back. ******* looking at you Bungie. I'm glad I didn't preorder that **** , and never even glanced at the Downloadable Turd Sandwiches. Eat my cock. However, there is one Dev/Publisher whose games I have come to love, every single one I've played that they put out.
Bethesda. Of course it's Bethesda. Every single one of their games that I have played, I've loved. Fallout, Dishonored, Elder Scrolls, etc. This isn't to say I've been interested in everything they've made, cause I'm not. Didn't care for Doom, or Evil Within. Never touched them. But my point is that everything I've played from them felt complete, not rushed, and I was completely satisfied to the point where replays were mandatory. According to Steam, I've put hundreds and hundreds of hours into Bethesda. This never-failing love for what Bethesda gives me has finally built a history of trust, something I've not had for a Dev before. I feel confident that what they give me will be, in a word, complete.
As such, for the first time, I have happily and unhesitantly pre-ordered Fallout 4. This hype train earned its lack of brakes.
Pre-ordering is a system built on trust. The deal is that you give a Dev/Publisher money to help them get the game finished and, in return, you get a little bonus to thank you for trusting them to deliver a good game. But most publishers have taken advantage of this deal by pushing devs to get unfinished games out the door as fast as possible, creating ****** games. This has ruined gamers trust in the very idea of pre-ordering, because Devs are forced by publishers to go back on their word by taking the money and handing over a steamy pile of **** that gamers are expected to take a big ol bite out of.
All this is commonly accepted fact.
Normally, I never pre-order, because I do not trust this system. Some are willing to give a Dev/Publisher the benefit of the doubt and pre-order without establishing a history of trust first. This is almost invariably a mistake, as most publishers will happily take your trust (and money) and ******* book it without ever looking back. ******* looking at you Bungie. I'm glad I didn't preorder that **** , and never even glanced at the Downloadable Turd Sandwiches. Eat my cock. However, there is one Dev/Publisher whose games I have come to love, every single one I've played that they put out.
Bethesda. Of course it's Bethesda. Every single one of their games that I have played, I've loved. Fallout, Dishonored, Elder Scrolls, etc. This isn't to say I've been interested in everything they've made, cause I'm not. Didn't care for Doom, or Evil Within. Never touched them. But my point is that everything I've played from them felt complete, not rushed, and I was completely satisfied to the point where replays were mandatory. According to Steam, I've put hundreds and hundreds of hours into Bethesda. This never-failing love for what Bethesda gives me has finally built a history of trust, something I've not had for a Dev before. I feel confident that what they give me will be, in a word, complete.
As such, for the first time, I have happily and unhesitantly pre-ordered Fallout 4. This hype train earned its lack of brakes.
