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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ' © Contact
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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User avatar #27 - mayormilkman
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Here's an explanation as to why it might not be valid:
User avatar #115 to #27 - traelos
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How do you fabricate a story to pacify a populace that includes actions they took?

Did they expect people to believe that a dude went around, meeting and preaching to all of them, changing their lives and performing miracles, then died at their own outcry, and no one remembers seeing him?
User avatar #116 to #115 - wiredguy
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Yes, because in those times it was very rare for anyone to leave their village in their entire lifetime, and would seldom hear news at any closer than a fourth or fifth hand.
People believed what they were told by travelling merchants.
User avatar #122 to #116 - traelos
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For one, this is the first century B.C., not 1000 A.D.. Rome had come, the roads were safe, money was reasonably plentiful, people left home.

For two, the people you need to pacify tend to be the kinds of people who would have heard of Jesus anyway, people who lived in cities. He's saying that nobody was bothered when the population of Jerusalem called out for Jesus's execution but no one in Jerusalem knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who was there? On top of that, many of them would have actually been there and known who was pardoned each year and would be aware that it was not Jesus.
#131 to #122 - anon id: 14b79acd
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People did not leave home moron, to this day people still remain in their original homes rather then leave.
#139 to #131 - mrmamric
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It's okay, little one. You can leave your parents basement and grow up in a house of your own.
User avatar #135 to #131 - traelos
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Really? Because my parents both moved across state when they got married. My uncle moved halfway across the country. My cousin lives in California now.

I went to high school three towns over and regularly visit my friends from that school who traveled similar distances.

I've spent at least a week in Alaska, Florida, Wyoming, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Vermont, Maine, Nova Scotia, Massachusetts, and I live in Connecticut.

My parents went to Niagra falls a couple months ago.

My best friend went to basic in Missouri.

I mean sure, 90% of my life takes place in my home, but I wouldn't exactly say I haven't been other places. Similarly, during the Roman era people generally lived where they grew up, but some didn't and almost everyone traveled at least a little bit. Tourism was a big deal in the first century B.C., housing was a big deal in the first century B.C. and obviously trade was a big deal in the first century B.C..
#144 to #135 - craigdavid
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dude youre pretty wrong here. evidence points towards it beigna pacification and money spinning method

i mean think about it, get everyone into one church with all the money going to one church worshipping one god to avoid having to take sides with different temples, a god that preaches morals everyone subscribes morals such as turning the other cheek. morals such as following the law of the land because of divine providence. yano those pacification methods.
User avatar #145 to #144 - traelos
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a) Regardless of the why, the how is still downright ridiculous

b) Christianity was the only religion in Roman history to ever be persecuted, the Roman's were very religiously tolerant

c) The Romans made money from donations to their pantheon, so creating Christianity would actually lose them money

d) There was only one major religion in the area until Christianity came around

e) Morals such as ignore any law that contradicts the bible?

Beyond the fact that Christianity isn't a very pacifying religion that wouldn't be a very Roman thing to do at all anyway.

Seriously, you're ******* insane.
#146 to #145 - craigdavid
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the main religion was multitheistic ergo multiple temples. yano mercury being messenger of the gods, and oh yeah i can see how poor the roman catholic church is. Imean just look at the vatican. worse than somalia in there :/

and it doesnt seem that the only religion to be persecuted and subsequently recieve sympathy and attention is the one that got adopted is a little suspicious?

******* hell man im not saying its for sure but you have to at the VERY least admit its a valid possibility
User avatar #151 to #146 - traelos
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I think you're mistaking the very small but loud area looking for a messiah to come save them (Judea) for the very large area that you clearly don't understand at all (The Roman Empire).

This guy's theory is that Christianity was invented to pacify the Jews, not anyone else.

And trust me, you don't understand the Roman Empire as a bigger picture.
#246 to #151 - craigdavid
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i didnt read the damn article i assumed it was retarded cos theres a screenshot of it on funnyjunk, im pitching my own theory and you claimed that people regularly travelled across the entirety of the roman empire to the point where news was spread by people other than travelling merchants, so i clearly have a better understanding than you
#183 to #115 - Hightower
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When there's at least 2 generation between the time it supposedly happened, and when the first person decided to write it down? Most people didn't know of events that took place in the next town over let alone hundreds if not thousands of miles away at least 50 years before they were born.
User avatar #160 to #115 - bearhandsahhh
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It's like that scenario where a crowd of people sees a crime and everyone just assumes that someone else has called 911 and no one really has.
User avatar #162 to #160 - revo [OP]
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe what you are referring to is called "The Bystander effect."
User avatar #163 to #162 - bearhandsahhh
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Yiss
#153 to #115 - macjigiddy
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They were superstitious and fearful. People, needed a crutch, something to believe in. And it helped keep order. A fantastic example of religion keeping order in general society is the Homily of Obedience, 1547 and 1571.
#168 to #27 - largilloquent
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ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS NEVER HAPPENED!
User avatar #181 to #168 - mayormilkman
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I don't know why, but FJ deleted my link. This isn't the first time this has happened to me. Replace "dot" with a period:

www.reddit dot com/r/badhistory/comments/1o2505/ancientconfessionsrecentlyuncoverednow_prov e/cco56am

What's the deal with this, Admin?
User avatar #196 to #181 - zzforrest
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Make a new comment & sticky it, dat ***** good.
User avatar #198 to #196 - mayormilkman
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I want to know why it got deleted in the first place, as well as why this has happened to me before.
User avatar #205 to #198 - zzforrest
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I dunno lol, maybe fagmin bans any reddit posts from being put up here?
User avatar #206 to #205 - mayormilkman
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I posted a link to DeviantArt once and it got deleted.
User avatar #207 to #206 - zzforrest
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I dunno, fagmin must just hate you lol.
User avatar #191 to #27 - mayormilkman
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Look below if you missed the link.
#141 to #27 - marlton
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This is why we can't have nice things
User avatar #32 to #27 - revo [OP]
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OP here;
While there are some valid point written there, all of the arguments are made just based off the article. The guy's actual points are still to be made. This could be some big conspiracy for all I care. I'm just here to sit back and watch the show.
User avatar #69 to #32 - Maroon
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Are you guys in on some joke I'm not aware of? His post literally says "Here's an explanation as to why it might not be valid: " then stops.
User avatar #107 to #69 - redstonealchemist
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he made that comment so people can comment their information on the matter
User avatar #208 to #69 - mayormilkman
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My link got deleted.
User avatar #176 to #69 - grimsho
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Because it's stickied, that post is at the top of the comments section. Because any content that's religious in any way has been proven time and time again to cause huge flamewares, now that comment is basically saying
"Here's an explanation as to why it might not be valid: [insert entire comment section full of arguments against the claims]"
User avatar #195 to #176 - Maroon
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Gotcha. It probably would have made more sense had it not had 3 comments replying to it as if he had listed actual reasons, lol.
#123 to #69 - anon id: d05d027a
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The joke is like this: "Here are some reasons to "x":"

There is nothing there to signify there are no reasons it is not valid.
User avatar #133 to #123 - Maroon
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Yeah, but people are responding like he made actual statements unless I'm reading everything wrong
User avatar #92 to #69 - soloparasiempre
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yes. yes they are
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#43 to #27 - head
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This guy's strongest argument, the Roman's persecuting Christians one, is only semi-valid because Constantine converted in the early 2nd century and the Jesus story was supposedly made up in the late 1st.    
   
The rest of it is mostly arguing semantics. Typical strawman fallacious ****.    
   
Taking out of context quotes and points out their flaws doesn't prove anything.
This guy's strongest argument, the Roman's persecuting Christians one, is only semi-valid because Constantine converted in the early 2nd century and the Jesus story was supposedly made up in the late 1st.

The rest of it is mostly arguing semantics. Typical strawman fallacious ****.

Taking out of context quotes and points out their flaws doesn't prove anything.
#48 to #43 - benjah
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Constantine was 4th century.

And he went through the article pretty thoroughly. So far what Atwil has said in defense of his theory is piss-poor academic work. The response was on level with that.
#11 - mattdoggy
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He is a lunatic who has never been taken seriously by the academic community   
   
His theory is based off of Jesus's travels being sort of similar to the Roman Emperor Titus based off of some guys accounts. He mad the FAR leap that the Romans Invented the Peaceful messiah to keep the warlike people of Judea in line.   
   
The only people attending his lecture are going because it's cheaper than going to a comedy club
He is a lunatic who has never been taken seriously by the academic community

His theory is based off of Jesus's travels being sort of similar to the Roman Emperor Titus based off of some guys accounts. He mad the FAR leap that the Romans Invented the Peaceful messiah to keep the warlike people of Judea in line.

The only people attending his lecture are going because it's cheaper than going to a comedy club
#58 to #11 - anon id: 7e95b5be
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So you're telling me it's laughable to think that Christianity was founded as a deliberate fabrication to keep people under control. Yes because that notion is silly! Absolutely ridiculous, it's far less silly to believe a man could walk on water

You and William of Ockham need to have a serious chat i suspect
User avatar #87 to #58 - secretary
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Believing that he existed as a historical person does not equal believing he walked on water. You're retarded
#93 to #87 - anon id: 1b40c7b1
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yea, so why are you arguing the point? christianity and jesus are different. odds of humans living named "Jesus" over a hundred year period are pretty good at least one guy was named that.
#89 to #11 - witislimited
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Cheaper then a comedy club...
Cheaper then a comedy club...
User avatar #157 to #11 - turtletroll
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More then likely you are right but you can`t write him off totally.

He might surprise us.
User avatar #35 to #11 - ronyx
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Well to be honest a lot of common folk back then were utterly stupid and would try to explain natural phenomena to acts of angry gods.
User avatar #31 - infinitereaper
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Guys... guys...

listen guys...

I-no seriously listen...

I think Jesus was probably some Jewish guy who was religious and stuff...

and things just got blown way out of proportion and exaggerated.
User avatar #105 to #31 - metalmind
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A bit like Chuck Norris.
Because over time, and over 60-100 years of it beeing passed on, without any actual written accounts, things can be distorted.
I, an atheist, think that he was real, but not the son of god but rather the leader of one of the many religious cults in that region at that time, that worshiped gods that usually had the ability of ressurecting.
User avatar #70 to #31 - commontroll
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I'm Christian and respect your opinion, because it's a rational one. This theory in the post is just ignoring plenty of evidence, and the guy might as well be wearing a tin foil hat.
#2 - teranin
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Quick, BLAME OBAMA
Quick, BLAME OBAMA
#29 - pedobearandson
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#53 - nephritho
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mfw a religious **** storm
#20 - winsauceiswin
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i'm excited
i'm excited
#118 - warlockrichard
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I think wether or not he was real does not stop the fact that there was some pretty good stuff being taught that we should follow
also
User avatar #187 to #118 - redcookiemonster
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Yea. Totally. Like intolerance towards those with different beliefs.
User avatar #199 to #187 - zzforrest
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Please site an example, because there really isn't one. Intolerance is political. The only form of forced conversion is repention; you don't even have to convert, you just have to recognize that you have done wrong. PLUS the new covenant as well as "faith" christians ( a new trend following closer to Jesus's teaching ) shows the sins that you would have to repent for are now null; ergo, if you faillow faith christianity you find that intolerance towards those with different beliefs is not what they follow, but rather what you yourself are following.
User avatar #200 to #199 - zzforrest
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follow not faillow
User avatar #76 - Loppytaffy
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Well if the Holy Roman Empire can make up 300 years of history (and by the gods try to prove that false by finding anything that happened in Europe between 655 and 955ad), I'm sure some aristocrats (at the time, the only people who were literate) can make up something like that.
#78 to #76 - europe
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User avatar #80 to #78 - Loppytaffy
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I'm sorry, but this is going to keep happening.
Of my top ten favourite countries to talk about, 8 are in Europe. You are just going to have to live with it.

I cannot be the only person on here who mentions Europe a lot.
User avatar #81 to #80 - europe
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I wouldn't be surprised if you mention me the most of all users on this site
User avatar #82 to #81 - Loppytaffy
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Well you did name yourself after a continent, and a band.
#83 to #82 - europe
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What do you mean "name myself after"?
I am Europe.
User avatar #84 to #83 - Loppytaffy
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What did you think to Eurovision this year?
User avatar #85 to #84 - europe
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'twas fabulous
User avatar #225 to #78 - buttinspecter
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Damn. And to think, that's Carl from Aqua Teen.
User avatar #67 - roflcopterkklol **User deleted account**
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No ****, Horus lived the same life as jesus 3000 years before he supposedly existed.

#147 to #67 - lulusaurus
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#109 to #67 - bigrog
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No he didn't. Bill Maher is just full of ****. Please refer to number 4

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