Because cheesy as it sounds love cannot be put under the scope of facts and statistics, just do't marry someone you don't wanna live your life with too

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Because I love the woman and the woman loves me, and like my long line of relatives I shall follow in the tradition that is marriage, to show how strong them feelings are. Not all women are the same. You'd be stupid to marry someone who would then **** you over, but people fall out of love and **** happens, it's life. You're kind of talking about women like men are taking in a wild animal as a pet, and it could lash out and **** you up at any given time, what happened?

If I'm restless, I'll go look for an Escort.

Why get involved with a woman who doesn't think and act EXACTLY as you do? Men become possessed by this idea of Total Fulfillment, they start to see (thanks to a steady stream of propaganda) serious relationships and marriage as the way of attaining that fulfillment.

Most women who are actively seeking a relationship are solely out to capitalize on that. They're fed the same propaganda, but instead of seeing a woman, they see a man who will do anything for them.

Now throw in an economy that does not favor the Individual OR the Family Unit. What do you get? A recipe for disaster. One gets bored, starts playing fast-and-lose. Cheating, stealing money. Eventually they get bored of that and want to walk out on the whole charade with as much as they can. Back to Square One.

This is why we need Individualism more than anything right now. People keep viewing relationships as a simple goal, and not a natural phenomenon. They go after people they barely know in an unhealthy form of social maneuvering...

Unhealthy, simply unhealthy.

Sign a prenup

My plans were going to be like this.

I will love a girl, move in with her, and take our relationship to the point we're practically married, but I won't marry her for years, several years, probably more. Not until I'm sure. Because why get married? I can get all the relationship benefits of getting married just by not getting married. It seems like when people get married they instantly get tired of each other. I'ts possible she'll get tired of me before we even marry, so that's all the more reason I don't want to get stuck in a bad divorce.

Girl, I don't need to marry you to love you.

Well marriage provides several economic benefits, like joint taxes. You don't have to a big ceremony to be married.

Whats the economic benefit of losing half your stuff, your house, and your kids?
The point is that the law and society favor women, and they end up with alimony and child support and all kinds of goodies, if you're not married, and you break up, the women don't get **** , and you're life isn't ruined.

I won't disagree that Marriage has been uneven and has brought more long term pain than benefit for a while.

But that just proves to me that we need to rethink marriage a little as a culture. We need to understand that this is a lifelong decision you're committing to, you should be absolutely positive. You can either have one amazing marriage like you should, or have your first marriage ruin your perception of life.

We need marriage to be an incredible bond with your lover again, not a set of chains hooked to dynamite, with a divorce lawyer holding the bolt cutters.

These benefits enable or influence impulse decisions toward marriages, for military personnel especially.

Marriage should be more about you and her than anything, economical benefits should not even be part of the decision.

That wasn't my point. My point was that if you are living together as if you were married, I don't understand why you wouldn't just get married at that point.

Because you have no idea if that person is really right for you for the rest of your life. Marriage is meant to be eternal, you're only supposed to have and keep one forever.

getting laid and getting women =/= to marriage. people can still have an active sex life without committment, especially in this day in age.

wow thanks for that, very insightful

*more than dollars and sense

Yes, except in the case of divorces, women have the legal advantage: custody, kids, alimony, child support, your house, etc. You bear all the risk. You could argue that women bear the children, but this literally just gives them more legal leverage, and more money. The scales are tipped, but in womens favor almost every time.

The problem is people getting married for the wrong reasons. Someone get's knocked up, they feel obligated to get married. Some people rush into things without really thinking about it. Friend of mine knew this girl for about 6 months and got married. Lasted 2 years, she cheated on him.

Live with the person for at least a year. Really get to know each other. If things don't work, there's no bull divorce papers and losing half your things. Or take Bill Murray's advice, travel together. If you don't want to kill each other by the end of the trip then get married.

Marriage is supposed to be a commitment of love, not something you do because you feel obligated. People need to ask themselves why they're getting married more often.

Bill Murray got ****** over in his divorce, and was publicly disgraced and called all manner of things. Got called a wife beater, drug addict, cheater, etc. A terrible monster. The media attacked him and assumed that his wife wasn't lying as women often do. Feminists rushed to take the wife's side, as usual, and this REALLY isn't the only time that wives have screwed over celebrities. This is what we mean when we talk about risk, as a man you bear all of it. If a woman decides to accuse you of anything, or screw you over, the media, the courts, and society will take HER side, and she will take all of YOUR stuff. Whether or not you even did anything wrong. Prenups are always a must, even though many women have done everything they can to attack prenups in divorce cases.

A lot of young men are naive and optimistic they think "nah my girl isn't like that" or "it will never happen to me" but in reality you're setting yourself up to get burned. Just don't let it happen to you. More than one man has had his life ruined that way.

The harsh reality is that nobody gives a **** about men.
Everyone will defend women but nobody is going to defend men.
Not feminists and not white knights. In fact they will attack you.

The cards are stacked against you.
50% survival rate for marriage says everything.
Except when a man gets divorced, he loses everything he worked his life to build,
when a woman gets divorced, she loses a man but gets to keep all of his stuff.

The lesson is clear, here:
Don't let it happen to you.

I never said that. I said that marriage is too risky for men. Super not risky for women, in fact, the only people who shame men for not wanting to get married is other women who are scared of not finding someone to provide for them, or whiteknights, but any woman who does the same is "empowered". Nice logic and double standards.

Basically, be smart about it. Noone has to get married, but if they do, be careful who you marry. Make sure you really know them first. I'm lucky, I live in a small town where the feminist wave hasn't really hit. Everyone's pretty chill where I live and don't get wrapped up in all the drama.

You've clearly never met anybody you've cared about. You're lumping people together. Don't be so judgmental

>something must be wrong with him

It's always the mans fault, you go around making this baseless assumptions when I'm trying to warn people. Every think that part of it comes from experience? My ex gf, a childhood friend I loved more than anything, loved unconditionally and would do anything for just ended up cucking me, turning into a slut, becoming a feminist, SJW, man hater, spent her fathers money studying useless **** like womens studies, and has become pretty much everything wrong with the modern woman and feminism incarnate. She goes through so much dick she caught an STD and I wager it's only a matter of time before she ends up with pregnant or whatever else.

Can you ******* imagine if I had ended up marrying this bitch?
There's is this crazy notion ya'll got to understand; women are people.

And people be ****** up, except women get to take all your stuff.

No, he's just saying that people in general can't be trusted today.

>he irrationally hates women and assumes they're all out to oppress him
Think you're getting me confused with modern day feminism.
I'm just trying to warn people of the immense risk the modern man must face.

Because not all of us are psychopaths and we like to feel emotions.
Unlike yourself, of course.

For one, you meant sociopath.

Second, don't be a douche.

Do you know who infinite retard is?
He is always on rants about how he wants to take over the world and how he thinks he's better than everyone....

Yes. He's my friend. I've lost count of how many times I've argued with him.

Friend? I didn't know sociopaths could have friendships...
huh

It's not uncommon in the least bit. You don't even know what the definition of sociopath is.

"a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience."
Keyword: Antisocial

The keyword being attitudes and behavior.

Also the word anti-social can be more literal in this regard, it can also not be present at all. And simply be the attitudes and lack of human empathy or desire for social interaction. Doesn't necessarily mean they detest it. I have known a couple sociopaths that weren't opposed to the concept of friendship, just not nearly as interested (or desperate rather) than the average person.

So what's your point?

point is: he's not a real friend bruh

Well that's entirely subjective, and debatable depending on how you perceive friendships.

Not that you'd even know what a friendship is like. Considering your judgmental and salty ass attitude will probably make most people tired of you quite quickly.

Nah, people like me. I'm charming in real life, I just don't give a **** about random people on a website.
Especially sociopaths with no regards for human emotion.

Clearly you do. Given you went out of your way to be a douche.

Giving a **** =/= making a point, m'boy

You gave enough of a **** to make your salty ass point.

You sure use that buzzword a lot, I'm not sure you know what it means.

Course, rude, aggressive, pissed, upset, agitated.

You're super salty towards "Infinite Retard" for whatever reason.

I'll admit, I have been rude. It's only in my nature.
The other ones, not so much.
Not really salty towards him, just have a distaste for sociopaths/psychopaths

I appreciate that, but you should probably work on that. Nothing good ever came of a salty nature.

Attack arguments not people. All of our goals should be to leave these comment sections better than when we found them.

I don't like feeling feelings because I go too deep into them and lose control of myself... either I just have issues, or you've enlightened me on the fact that I'm a sociopath....

Sociopaths never care that they're sociopaths.

Let me enlighten you further. A sociopath is a person that does not care about any other person at all. That doesn't mean they hate people, doesn't mean they like people, they're completely indifferent to what happens to anyone besides themselves. This leads to a lack of human empathy, sympathy, or healthy concern of the welfare of others. More cruel sociopaths can be known for narcissism and manipulating people around them, or "using" them.

Don't worry bro, if there are just a few people you care about, you're most likely not a sociopath. And people that are sociopaths, don't have a desire to not be a sociopath most of the time. I feel more comfortable when I refuse to ultimately trust anyone, doesn't mean I would throw them to the wolves, because I'm not a sociopath, it's just one of my survival mechanisms.

I don't have a whole lot to say on you being "cautious of feelings". Don't know a whole lot about that. But you could look into meditating.

Ah yes, a perfectly logical and reasonable argument attack my points instead of directly attacking me. Hm, I wonder if there's a phrase for that? Furthermore you've just proved my point. If a guy doesn't want to get married and tries to warn his bros about all the risk, something must be wrong with him, and like the classic whiteknight, you go out and attack them. Society will shame any men who doesn't give in to the feminist doctrine.

I'm not shouting some crazy ideology or telling men to destroy women, I'm just advising against getting married, because I'm stating facts. You bear all the risk, if things go bad (50% chance that it will) (70% chance that SHE will initiate it) YOU are the one who gets ****** over. That's just how it is. And society, the law, whiteknights *cough* you *cough* will attack you while supporting the female even if she did terrible things. That's just how it is.

the modern man can only rely on himself,
and he can do so by being smart and avoiding risk,
get a prenup, don't put up with ******** , and don't let yourself get ****** over

That is all.

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I just don't want to ******* die alone. I also plan on making it clear early on that I won't get married without a prenup just in case. Don't know how, but I'll cross that bridge if it ever gets built.

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**kongdong rolled image** I want to get married because i love the idea of having someone special to love and spend time with. and obviously, I'm not going to marry someone who is a complete ******* cunt

How to avoid all the ******** you just posted:

Don't marry a ******* dick.

Damn, didnt know you still hung around.

Very rarely now. Might make a comeback.

Sites problems have festered, dont blame you. Does seem like its getting better, though.

I think that you meant "don't marry a cunt"!

because I love her.

I loved a girl too once, she turned out to be a feminist, man hating vegan slut.
She was a pure religious, virgin, level headed waifu before all that.

Women are never who you think they are.

> virgin waifu

I think the problem is that you idealized her and thus never really new her for who she was. then when you finally started to se her flaws (flaws that had been there the whole time) your illusion was broken and you were, understandably, hurt.

I never idealized her, I just gave her something she never ever deserved: my unconditional love.
I was hurt, for a long time, but I got over it, to this day however, she's an utter mess.

Truth is I got lucky. I got off Scott free, no baby, no marriage, no nothin.
No alimony, no child support, and no having my life destroyed by a crazy slut.

"Because I love her" is your one way ticket to getting ****** over.
Because love is a foolish emotion.

Think with your head,
not your heart,
and not your dick

This is real talk *****

I remember when I was like you. Bitter, angry at the world and at women, and the scary part of most of it,
it was all in my head. I came to the realization that thinking like that wasn't helping myself or anyone around me and it wasn't a way to live life. I really hope you learn this soon. Women aren't all like that, you just need to think of a filter to find the right one.

How old were you when you met her?