Victor. . made on imgur. "The difference between rebellion and revolution is the victor"- Love that quote Victor made on imgur "The difference between rebellion and revolution is the victor"- Love that quote
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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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User avatar #1 - dairybun
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(10/17/2013) [-]
"The difference between rebellion and revolution is the victor"- Love that quote
User avatar #11 to #1 - chaoticfox
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So if the industrial revolution could have been called the industrial rebellion?
#50 to #11 - anon id: d807ae9a
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no way man, the robots won. they got them drones and ****
User avatar #29 to #1 - thinegame
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Yeah because one would be useless if there wasn't a difference.
User avatar #30 to #1 - xplosevdiarrhea
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Yeah, but I think civil war works better than rebellion.
User avatar #6 to #1 - ihaveakeyboard
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while I agree with the sentiment, technically, the conotation is that a revolution is domestic and a rebellion is by some sort of foreign group
#48 to #6 - ainise
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Wait, What? Sorry, but can you explain? I was under the assumption that both a rebellion and a revolution are when the people of a nation revolt/rebel against its government. Rebellion is just the more negative side of it. Sort of like a religion and a cult.
User avatar #65 to #48 - ihaveakeyboard
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there is a connotation that a rebellion is carried out by some foreign element, such as if a colony was to rebel. however, a revolution is thought of to be within the nation itself
#4 - killercondom
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Now your getting it!
#63 to #4 - dovanerrevarine
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#5 to #4 - wtf man
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#7 - FightClub
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victor is the scribe of humanity
#28 to #7 - macabrealucard
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who let the ******* goat out again mfw
#3 - Nahyon
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Exactly, that's why everyone is talking about me if it's about the WW2
User avatar #17 - InglushMayjur
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"History is a set of lies, agreed upon"
-Napoleon Bonaparte

Although, as a history major (and hopeful future historian) I have to disagree with that statement, as well as the statement that "history is written by the victors." I don't mean to say that, in some cases, these statements are inaccurate. Tyrannical governments have often used inaccurate histories as propagandas, and considering the state of America's public education, and especially high school history programs, you could make the argument that history was indeed written by the victors.

But within the actual historical community, that claim is about as relevant as the argument "Evolution is JUST a theory." Like any academic community, historians are incredibly skeptical, constantly refuting prior theses, and always bickering over the theses of their contemporaries. This is all part of the process to uncovering the "truth."
I think it's actually rather amazing when you look back and consider the evolution of the historical process. It's incredibly similar to how the scientific community operates as well. Historians build upon the work of their predecessors, expanding and improving the historical narrative, each time getting closer and closer to the truth.

TL;DR
History isn't really written by the victors in my opinion.
Also, I'm a bit high right now, so if any of that needs some further explanation, let me know, I'd be happy to oblige.
User avatar #38 to #17 - fgtometer
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Popular representations of history (particularly those taught to children, which IMO is the most crucial) are definitely biased, though.
#57 to #17 - Hurtz
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Your Username says one thing; your post says another - -
EXPLAIN THAT
User avatar #18 to #17 - dagold
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You have a point though. When I was a kid and learning about history, Thomas Edison and Christopher columbus were made out to be these great men, when they were actually bastards who manipulated and stole. But since these were the men who came out on top, they are made out to be great men.

On the opposite end, we are aware of how bastardly they really were because the losers do have their own history to write, it just isn't as popular. Dig a little, and you will see both sides.
User avatar #19 to #18 - InglushMayjur
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Yeah man, and the big part of that is our public education. Americans just don't give a damn about history anymore, and they certainly don't want any history to be damage our precious childrens' view of America.

Here's a personal example. Growing up, and throughout high school, I, not once, learned ANYTHING about Latin America aside from the cursory talk about the Aztecs. When we discussed the Cold War, the entire context was based around Europe. So, imagine my surprise my senior year of high school, when in SPANISH class, I was assigned a project on Argentina's Dirty War. This sparked my interest in Latin American Cold War history, which I'll try to keep brief for you, but it was basically a long, bloody story of America going from country to country, overthrowing democracies and establishing dictatorships. And this was a KEY part of our Cold War strategy. Why wasn't any of this taught in any of my history courses? Why did it take an elective class to teach me? Man, public education is just ******.
User avatar #20 to #19 - dagold
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Yep. It is why I'm not surprised so many people hate america. We are literally bred to be entitled, self righteous little *****
User avatar #21 to #20 - InglushMayjur
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****, man, I can relate to that. Nothing destroys your sense of patriotism more than historical truth. Probably why most historians are alcoholics.
User avatar #22 to #21 - dagold
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Never really thought of that. But overly patriotic people are obnoxious because they constantly just yell about our 'freedoms' when we aren't anywhere near the most freedom filled country. I'm a soldier, but not because I'm a big flag waving patriot, but because I want to be able to protect those I care about. Not many people realize that is all most soldiers really want.
#32 to #17 - RageGuyyourmom
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You're the dick who actually chose the question that says "evaluate this statement" in exams didn't you? Haha
User avatar #10 - tredbear
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wow, so if the nazi's took over the world, and they would write history, as the good guys, and the alllies, would be the bad guys? that's weird
#24 to #10 - anon id: aaaf641c
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Not really, the Germans never hated anyone except for genetic psychopaths. They didn't want war, but the international bankers did, and they wanted Germany to suffer so they could get in the door to mass raping the people via debt again. Like the current USA system bringing them to their knees. The Germans only wanted the counterfiet bankers gone, but counterfieters can print unlimited money and propaganda to go with it. Had Germany won, the world wouldn't be any different, apart from China to stay as a backwater country.
User avatar #33 to #24 - seras
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Okay, what? As a german, I gotta tell you that this is the dumbest **** I ever read. But that's why you posted it as anon, right?
User avatar #53 to #24 - darkfuzion
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Yea, I quit reading this after "but the international bankers did". Nice try though.
#26 to #24 - dwarfman
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Please do not breed. Ever.
#61 to #10 - comradewinter
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Most likely. Remember that nobody cares about how 90% of the Indian population was wiped out during the colonization, while 50% of the Jews is considering the stupidest act of mass murder done by psychotic bastards ever in history? It's not just about the victors, but also what is focused on. I'm sure nobody would care if the Nazis won and the Jews were annihilated.
User avatar #12 to #10 - YourLordAndMaster
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Well yeah..it'd be written by the Germans that the Allies were fighting against their noble cause or something.
User avatar #13 to #12 - tredbear
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that boggles my mind
User avatar #14 to #13 - YourLordAndMaster
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It's all perspective
User avatar #40 to #13 - heartlessrobot
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It's really not that difficult of a concept. In their eyes, everyone else was evil, and the Nazis were the ones doing good.
User avatar #44 to #10 - heroofkvatch
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the allies where the bad guys
User avatar #23 - squalllionhart
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"Right and wrong are not what separate us and our enemies. It's our different standpoints, our perspectives that separate us. Both sides blame one another. There's no good or bad side. Just two sides holding different views."
#46 to #23 - ainise
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Was that a ******* quote from Final Fantasy 8?
User avatar #49 to #46 - squalllionhart
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yep
User avatar #54 - callan
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God dammit Victor! Why you gotta write lies?!
User avatar #9 - demigodofmadness
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In an alternate universe

"And then the great and noble Hitler, sent down from the heavens by God himself cleansed the world of the hideous deformed creatures and united the world under one rule."
#42 - steezyman
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But that still means good has always won, doesn't it?
#45 to #42 - ainise
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The point is good is only a hind sight thing.

Who is bad: Someone who is fighting because people in their country are starving, or someone who doesn't want the people in their country to starve so refuses to trade?

Good, bad, it's all dependent on the times. No one is considered bad by everyone, and everyone has done something good in someones eyes, if they aren't blinded by hate.
User avatar #47 to #45 - steezyman
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Oh wow now i feel dumb. Thanks though m8.