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(untitled). I've said this much recently and had a lot of negative feed back mixed in with positive feed back, so I figured I'd make a puffin off it cause it ce

I've said this much recently and had a lot of negative feed back mixed in with positive feed back, so I figured I'd make a puffin off it cause it certainly seems to be a negative opinion based on those that were vocal about it.

All things considered while Legal immigration CAN and typically IS good in any given country Illegal immigration causes tons of issues, yes I know a lot of the illegals are fleeing horrible conditions, yes I can imagine what those conditions are( Machete massacres, outrageous amounts of rape of both women and children, public torture, people using battery acid in peoples faces, whole sell genocide of a culture, REAL oppression by religious or cultural belief systems), but as it is Illegals create massive amounts of problems maybe not intentionally but they still do. Some instances of this are crippling of infrastructure, contributing to a countries increase of poverty (in multiple ways) use tax payer funded programs while at the same time paying very little back into the system( mostly because they have off the books jobs because they don't want to be deported and thus aren't paying income taxes), often contribute to an over all increase in the low skilled job work force which reduces chances for younger generations to start off in such fields as their first jobs ( I know " damn immigrants stealing jobs' rhetoric ). There is also the issue that illegals have the tendency to bring some of their problems with them mostly in the form of their culture or beliefs that were at the heart of what was wrong with their home country to begin with.

I know there are those that are going to say I'm horrible for saying this but lets be realistic adults about this, Walls will not work they have never worked and probably will never work, Simply finding and deporting them does not work and costs tons of time and money to do and typically the illegals will just come back until they get away with it, The idea that making them legal once they get over to a country is equally absurd as it basically says "ya come on over we wont stop you use up all our resources." Boarder patrols are also extremely ineffective and excessively costly as it would require considerable numbers of people constantly working to patrol up and down areas and then to capture people normally missing a good few while they run after those that flee.

Its not an easy to stomach solution but it is an effective one that helps limit repeat offenders.

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User avatar #8 - arkis [OP]ONLINE (08/27/2015) [+] (29 replies)
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Since I already see people pointing and basically saying " Ya that will TOTALLY work, you're an idiot" I issue this challenge, provide an idea that you think will work better for keeping illegals out
User avatar #46 - funbaggy (08/28/2015) [-]
Obviously its the most effective option. However you could just use this logic for anything. Tax evaders? Just kill them. Theft? Just kill them. Smoked a joint? Just kill them. Ran a stop sign? Just kill them. It might be the most effective method, but its not the best.
User avatar #2 - communistutopia (08/27/2015) [-]
Because killing people won't create new problems.
Like organised VIOLENT illegal immigration.

But points for unpopular opinion.
#23 to #2 - iamhereforthestory (08/28/2015) [-]
I'd like to see them nigs try. We could film it and stream it on Television. Make Rankings and stuff. Sounds hella fun.
#53 to #48 - iamhereforthestory (08/28/2015) [-]
Actually realistic. You think they would get far with their sticks and stones?
#132 to #53 - randomwanker (08/29/2015) [-]
>sticks and stones
#107 to #2 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]
Bro, it's already violent, 20 - 30% of Americas prisons are filled with illegal immigrents who commited violent crimes, and that's not even half the number that are still walking free thanks to the racialist groups and retarded sactuary cities. Something extreme needs to be done if you want the country to continue existing. No sovreign nation can continue exist with no boarders and a never ending influx of foreiners who do even try to assyimate.

And don't' start screaming about how America is a country of immigrants. we are a country that has had a lot of immigration, but that immigration was heavily regulated, there were only a few places immigrants could come in from, and they were heavily vetted, checked for diseases and impairments, they had to prove they wouldn't be a drag on society, that they either had skills to bring or family to take care of them, and they were regularly checked up on to make sure they were assimilating by learning the language and so on. Besides all that there were long periods of time were immigration was halted to a very small trickle at best, giving the country time to "digest" it's new citizens and giving them time to assimilate to the American culture. this open, unending stream of illegals flooding the country is a result of progressive ideology and stupidity that has been in place and steadily destroying the country for the past 100 years. (though the horrible immigration policies have only been around about 50 - 60)

And, I'm not sure if you'll try and say our immigration system is broken or not, but I'll throw this out there too, The American immigration system is not broken, it works, and it works well, however the laws are not being enforced, 40% of the people here illegally have violated their visa's, this is actual documentation that the government has and can act on, but refuses to do so.
#58 to #2 - ByeliVolk (08/28/2015) [-]
Organised violent immigration would constitute invasion which would render military aggression which would lead to a DMZ which would lead to UN Sanctions which would lead to public shaming because no one gives a **** about UN sanctions.
#4 - ronaldtrump (08/27/2015) [-]
Your solution is worse than the problem.
User avatar #49 to #4 - wellimnotsure (08/28/2015) [-]
no?
User avatar #3 - savethedinosaurs (08/27/2015) [-]
Well, it is unpopular. I'll give you that.
#95 - davidgigant (08/28/2015) [-]
what horrible conditions ? are they hunting muslims in italy or greece ? no.
they are running to rich european countries where they can live out of wellfare and our elders or poor people in our country gets **** i am with you i hope we get another reich soon instead of europeans running from him they would join him.
here you have a picture of spaniards getting food from the trash meanwhyle in some parts illegals get paid about 1000 euros the month
User avatar #104 to #95 - vulcanrainbow (08/28/2015) [-]
sauce?
User avatar #105 to #95 - vulcanrainbow (08/28/2015) [-]
like any sauce whatsoever for the spanish eating in bins to the illigals being paid a grand a month,which isn't even that much really. Also nice bait
User avatar #111 to #105 - davidgigant (08/28/2015) [-]
can you read spanish ?
here you have the poor inmigrants
www.abc.es/sociedad/20150213/abci-renta-social-pais-vasco-201502122206.html
and here you have our privilege people i have a Neighbour too who takes food out of the trash want me to take a picture too ?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJDzjKqZmJU
User avatar #113 to #111 - vulcanrainbow (08/28/2015) [-]
Sorry, I don't understand much spanish, but thank you for sauce. I understand the part about people eating out of bins, things aren't much better in England, but the immigrants taking **** tons of money are generally isolated cases. It isn't a tsunami of welfare stealing immigrants, it's a few bad people doing bad things. Benifits stealers are a thing, but they aren't just an immigrant thing, and relatively few, (1.8%) immagrants actually come to England

www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/oct/29/todays-key-fact-you-are-probably-wrong-about-almost-everything
#86 - improbable ONLINE (08/28/2015) [-]
fix one problem, create another, ignore second problem.

fixed
#21 - iamhereforthestory (08/28/2015) [-]
U know, Immigrants could stay in their country and try to fix their ******* issues instead f running away from them... not like europeans were abel to do that during the dark age etc.
User avatar #22 to #21 - arkis [OP]ONLINE (08/28/2015) [-]
Basically that IS what I would like to see happen, though that's not going to happen while they have the option to flee to other countries, its fair easier to flee and start a new life elsewhere than it is for them to fight to fix their own country, but in fleeing **** just stays the same. Many countries made themselves better by fighting against a corrupt or failing government and making changes.
#44 to #21 - nanglo ONLINE (08/28/2015) [-]
So... Shall we take in count the several dozens of millions of europeans who fled famine, wars and religious persecutions into America/Australia/South Africa, even if this meant ******* up natives ?
History repeats itself mate. The roles have just changed.
#54 to #44 - iamhereforthestory (08/28/2015) [-]
What you are talking about is colonialism. What I am saying is that around this time everything was ****** and there was noowhere to go.
User avatar #133 to #54 - nanglo ONLINE (09/01/2015) [-]
The way you call it matters really few. Europe was a ******** back then, and if nobody left Europe back in the Dark ages, it was because they had nowhere else to go.
#134 to #133 - iamhereforthestory (09/01/2015) [-]
Thats exactly my point... they think they can get over here but we can't support/save all of them. So it's basically the same situation only that they are in complete denial and think we can take care of them.
User avatar #135 to #134 - nanglo ONLINE (09/01/2015) [-]
Well, natives couldn't take care of us back in 1492 (We ****** them up, though). But the thing is that immigrants car very little how bad our place could turn into **** , because no matter what, it'll probably never be worse than their native place.
#136 to #135 - iamhereforthestory (09/01/2015) [-]
But we do, because it's our home country. So they can **** off
#137 to #136 - nanglo ONLINE (09/01/2015) [-]
Sitting Bull cared about his homeland as well.
#138 to #137 - iamhereforthestory (09/01/2015) [-]
Theres a difference between ****** criminal refugee and ****** criminal ursurpers
User avatar #50 to #44 - undeaddog (08/28/2015) [-]
Are you saying the natives didn't try to defend themselves but were outarmed unlike the US right now that doesn't defend itself while being vastly superior on these issues?
User avatar #47 - ihatekrauts (08/28/2015) [-]
aka be old timey japan and achieve near 100% purity
#24 - battletechmech (08/28/2015) [-]
**battletechmech used "*roll picture*"**
**battletechmech rolled image** create a reality TV show with 100 illegal immigrants a season that pits them in dystopian future gameshow scenarios where the 10 remaining are allowed into the country with "dream jobs"
User avatar #15 - fishandkids ONLINE (08/27/2015) [-]
Becaue it's not like this could potentially start a ******* war or anything...
User avatar #97 to #15 - heartlessrobot (08/28/2015) [-]
If people are fleeing a country, it's probably not strong enough to go to war.
User avatar #51 to #15 - ayumu (08/28/2015) [-]
would their government care about people making an illegal attempt to leave their country?
User avatar #38 - komandantmirkoo (08/28/2015) [-]
most of my liberal hippie tree hugging friends changed their view from "oh those poor muslim refugees" to " **** those bastards, we need to tear gas them" when they started doing **** near to our borders.

i've been saying it for a long time. hardcore liberalism only thrives when things are ok. the second something threatens the status quo everyone goes into full nationalism mode.

i've also been a massive libtard in the past but you tend to change your worldviews when neighbouring countries have issues such as "innocent immigrants throwing rocks at police officers and shouting allahu akbar"
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User avatar #43 to #38 - arkis [OP]ONLINE (08/28/2015) [-]
It has nothing to do with 'liberals' there are a lot of people on any political spectrum that are more apt to give a soft hand approach and try (usually in-vain) talking things out, sadly there are some groups you just can't reason with, they feel they are just in their actions, or they have no other alternative.

For the record I have some views that people would consider very liberal, but I do not ascribe to the political party **** , I'm a realist and I honestly think political parties are ******* retarded and the key reason why a lot of countries, especially America, are going to **** . It shouldn't be about towing this line or that, it should be about whats best for your damn people end of story. In America as it stands the political parties are full of nothing by bickering children that take childish actions to try and get their way, that's EXACTLY why the government shut down awhile back, it was because they held the budget hostage to try and force Obama to back down on his care act, it had NOTHING to do with the ******* budget but they still acted like children and didn't sign on the budget.
User avatar #103 - vulcanrainbow (08/28/2015) [-]
I agree, in fact I believe than if somebody commits any moderately bad crime, even if they're doing it to get away from horrors at home or to save their family, should be shot. Steal some bread to feed your kids, bam. nick a tenner to pay for water, kaboom. It would also limit repeat offenders, meaning crime rates will plummit
User avatar #56 - kyoutu (08/28/2015) [-]
Just because something works doesn't make it a good idea. Stabbing someone in the eyes would prevent the need for glasses.

Shooting every illegal hat attempted to enter a country would not only waste resources but would also most likely start a war. You can't just go shooting families that are trying to escape war torn countries in the hope of giving their children a better life, something that any loving parent would want.

Shooting everyone is a short term solution which would not end well.


#62 to #56 - teamrocketninja (08/28/2015) [-]
>thinking Mexico would go to war with the US
User avatar #114 to #62 - kyoutu (08/28/2015) [-]
> Thinking the entire world revolves around America.
User avatar #120 to #114 - badsamaritan (08/28/2015) [-]
Realistically it does
User avatar #124 to #120 - kyoutu (08/28/2015) [-]
I have my doubts.
#10 - anon (08/27/2015) [-]
You don't need to " provide an idea that you think will work better for keeping illegals out" to know your idea is ******* stupid. Also you say "lets be realistic adults about this" but this idea is something a child would think of. Your idea boils down to "I have no clue how to solve this problem, so lets just kill them all", except you seem to actually think you're being smart.
#20 to #10 - anon (08/27/2015) [-]
he probably is a child
adults aren't this edgy
#112 - ljxjlos (08/28/2015) [-]
"So, we have this problem here and we don“t really know..."

SHOOT IT.

Are you seriously ******* retarded? If your only reaction towards people fleeing rape, torture and war is to shoot them because they might cause mild problems to your life, you honestly deserve death just as much as you believe that they deserve it.

What the **** is wrong with ******* people thinking that ******* shooting everything that mildly annoys them is in any ******* way a ******* option? **** .
#32 - anon (08/28/2015) [-]
Canada's biggest illegal immigrants are American's. How well do you think that would go over?
User avatar #33 to #32 - arkis [OP]ONLINE (08/28/2015) [-]
well assuming that other places were doing it, im sure people would adjust and just say that they shouldn't have been trying to enter illegally, ya know like they do with a lot of things that are illegal. Sure some would be certainly pissed off, but ya know some americans think its ok to put the ten commandments in a court house or creationism into schools, or that the war on drugs has any actual effect on drug distribution
User avatar #5 - solidderking (08/27/2015) [-]
wow, you are doing it right, you`ll get a thump for that a green one
#7 - anon (08/27/2015) [-]
#6 - anon (08/27/2015) [-]
that's real stupid, buddy
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