Regardless of how bad an idea it was, it's done and can't realistically be undone. It's long past time people accepted the fact that there's a country there and there's going to continue to be a country there. I'm sure Israel does a lot of things we over here in our comfortable first world countries would consider terrible and barbaric, but then we don't face daily struggles with enemies whose stated purpose is our total annihilation, do we? It's easy to criticize, but put in their place, you'd probably do the same thing.
1. You know we did it to ourselves. If it wasn't for the USSR Jews, we'd be in Uganda
2. The difference is that you can cross Israel lengthwise in less then a day, and Russia spans a third of the globe
The only reason So many people hate on Israel is because it's fashionable to do so. It's trendy. We are no different then any other nation. Don't get me wrong, this country is ****** up on so many levels, but not for the reasons you might think.
But remember this. We exist only because you permit your government to support us.
Many people hate on Israel because Israel has one of the most manipulative government.
And the government supports you because there are many Jewish lobby groups have undue persuasion in US foreign policy in the Middle East. For example, the EU does not recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization while the US does. UN wanted to try Israel for crimes, but the US vetoed. The UN wanted to come up for a plan that could make Israel and Palestine two separate countries. The US vetoed.
>Hating on israel is trendy
Yes, because israel is not the enemy of the people currently bombing the west or anything. Not like pro-semite **** is jam-packed into western media or anything to boot. The average college student in the west that isn't a /pol/ degenerate is stupidly pro-israel. I never would have changed my views myself if I hadn't spent a fair amount of time with a Jordanian girl in my first year of uni.
>"We exist only because you permit your government to support us"
People have been trying to get rid of **** like AIPAC for years. Quit playing the victim.
What was it exactly that made you change your views?
On your quote of me:
I don't play victim at all. I simply say, that there are ways to undermine their influence.
Instead of blaming me do something about it.
I'm just some guy who happens to live in Israel, but lived in Ukraine before.
Said Jordanian was of muslim descent, and had a lot to say about the whole palestine-israel conflict. I'd attended a preppy boarding school prior where I'd made a few mexican-jewish buddies (most of whom I actually thought were pretty cool guys), and I had heard the Jewish point of view on the matter through them. Once I heard both opinions it prompted me to do a bit more research, until eventually I just concluded that neither the muslim nor jewish sides of the conflict are worth supporting, because they're both retarded.
And concerning me telling you "not to play victim": The way you said that Israel only exists because the US government (whose actions you somehow attributed to American citizens and voters, lol) allows it to sounds a lot like "Oy vey! It's not our fault we got put in this mess! It's not the jews fault America sends us billions every year and continues to support our side of the conflict! It's you voter and taxpayer goys! You don't want to support Israel? Then just vote not to!"
See the problem with saying this is that Israel has infected the American government like a bad case of dormant genital herpes. At face value it looks like America truly supports Israel's side of the conflict, but seriously, check out AIPAC if you haven't already. Kinda disgusting. And, American people have been trying to get rid of it, for a long time.
Disclaimer: I'm not saying that the American government is corruption-free aside from the Jews. Far from it. But a Jewish person implying that the people of America have a choice in supporting Israel isn't just lying, they're really being a dick. "Undermine their influence"? Good luck, man. People have been trying to do that for a long time.
In one of the last sentences they say ''Israel has an option to attack Iran''.
Israel doesn't even border Iran.
That statement is already laughable but then look at the option after that.
Kill a US president. Haha. Good times.
US has a full blown navy with amphibious capabilities. This is something the jews do not have at a scale as the US has. And if they indeed did attack Iran they would have needed world wide support as US had when they attacked Iraq. It is just something I don't see happening.
Also it doesn't take a lot to kill a president. It does take a lot if you are representing a country and trying to kill a president. But the main problem I have with the last statement is that the guy thinks that if a US president gets murdered the vice president will go and help Israel. I know Joe Biden is a Zionist. But going that far for more help seems absurd.
The real problem I have with this is that a guy, head of the Atlanta Jewish Times has connections with the Mossad and would publicly give the secrets away.
just a warning, you really aren't going to find many people in the comments around here who haven't sipped the /pol/aid and are just gonna spew **** they find on that board of degenerate neonazi whitetrash here
Palestinian Muslims and Jews got along fine before the influx of Eastern European Jews that forced Palestinians out. Putting a large group of minorities and making them the majority anywhere is going to have bad consequences.
Yeah a **** load of the Ukrainians (esp. in Crimea) want to be a part of Russia whereas not a single Palestinian wants to be in a state that treats them as second class citizens and bombs them to **** over the drop of a hat
exactly, imagine you come home from work and there's a guy there he says his ancestors lived in your house and he wants to live there too. you protest but theres this biker gang around the street that say its ok.
so you let it slide you live with him but day after a day a few more relatives of his come over and never leave, eventually you find yourself locked in the upper floor with just a bathroom and a small kitchen,while the rest of your house is overrun. you call your neighbours for help and they agree.
your neighbours drop by but get their asses handed to them by the bikers and the guys relatives so now you find yourself trapped in the upstairs bathroom with no way to even leave. a few days go by and the electricity and water go off the door opens up and you get your first of mainy daily whippings.
The difference is if you are allowed to post the right side in europe/murica but you get ****** if you complain about kikes and the crap they are doing because muh antisemitism.
The same **** happened with Nazi Germany wasnt it? They annexing Austria, the war, was all because they want more living space for Germanic people.
So, same **** with Israel and Russia.
I love posts like this because I can see who's actually crazy and stupid enough to believe there's some crazy world domination scheme involving the Jewish people, possibly spearheaded by Jon Steward or whatever those retards at /pol/ believe