carefull now, a lot of these morons still believe in a man in the sky and a chick who ate an apple and talked to a snake and messed up this world or whatever... ******* morons
I never understood people who are thankful for God. If you believe God exists, then you believe he created everything and wasn't created by anything. Who the **** are you thanking for Him?
I always thought that we should thank the snake (whether it was Lucifer or Satan), after all he did technically save us, there is no good without bad, and there was no bad in Eden, which meant that human life was always tedious and boring, he gave us science, he gave us art, he gave us technology, he gave us mind!!
Why is he a bad guy?
He killed less people than God, he showed us how bad of a father God is in the book of Job, seriously, would you almost kill your son's wife, sons, daughters take everything from him just because somebody offended your ego?
If he is blamed for all the evil on the world then he should also be thanked for all the good in the world, for giving contrast, as good without evil is just as bad as evil without good.
By the way, I checked the sources, actually, Lucifer/Satan only killed the family of Job, which was the part of the bet, so God allowed him to do it, he even wanted for him to do it, so the blood of Jobs family is on God's hands too.
Then why do they baptise their children?
If they don't believe this story as a fact, therefore the original sin, and baptising cleanses you from original sin then what's the point?
Keep in mind that by tricking Eve into eating the apple, the snake sets in motion every war, disease, famine, etc. to ever kill someone. It also gets kind of weird when discussing death in religion, because they believe in an afterlife; so death isn't an end-all-be-all. Essentially, God isn't evil for killing people because life is a trial for the afterlife. That's just my understanding anyway.
If you never experienced sadness can you really experience happiness? Being mindless zombies, just sitting in the garden, eating some fruit without ability to think, is that what you want?
Also, if God isn't evil for killing people because life is a trial for afterlife then why is murder bad when done by humans?
You would still experience emotion in the Garden of Eden, remember, according to the Bible, autonomy is the most important thing God gave humans. Murder is bad when people do ii because they don't know what the other person has or hasn't done. God is supposed to be omniscient and therefore the only one that can make that decision.
He created everything, including time (and therefore causality), the only real difference between the athiest view of the Big Bang and the Christian one is the latter believe it was a conscious decision and the former that it was probably a quantum event.
I think it all boils down to the idea that we live in a universe with time, whereas god doesn't live inside the universe, he lives outside of the universe, where there is no time. Since we are bound by the laws of time, and he is not, that basically means that he can always have existed, since there's no time. If he exists, of course.
Well time zone would imply that he lives on the Earth, and I don't think he would.
Besides, why would a bishop know much more? He's just a guy in a silly robe.
Clearly he just decided that he would exist. I honestly think it kinda went like this
"Huh... this whole "Not-existing" thing is kinda boring"
" **** it, I'm gonna exist now"
*Pop*
"There, I exist now... now I'm gonna make other things exist for the hell of it"
While I'm honestly not fond of religion, that isn't quite fair. If something had to of created God, then something had to have created the thing that created God too.
That's not quite how The Big Bang is theorized though. We KNOW the Big Bang happened. We don't know what happened before, because everything in our universe was created around the Big Bang. Thus whatever was before has only left its mark on a universe/place we cannot reach as of today.
The big bang happened because what exploded creating the big bang existed. There was no random explosion in empty space. The big bang happened because a huge mass blew up. The huge mass that was there before it blew up was the universe, in its singular mass state.
Exactly, but that mass had to exist in some kind of space. Also, if it could happen at one point in this theoretical "space", then it can and will happen more than once. So what happens when two realities expand? Can two separate realities collide?
I'm not really arguing against anyone, I'm just thinking questions out loud. I've been thinking about this for a while now. The Big Bang has most likely happened more than once. But where? And how? Where does a universe exist? What's behind the "borders" of the universe? Life is weird.
A question that can only be solved by saying God transcends existence. In our realm, He would be incomprehensible. IF anyone said they could comprehend God, then they are liars. Transcending existence would answer all both the Atheist argument and the Christian argument. He cannot exist as a sentient being to humans because He is above it, he transcends it. He cannot be created, nor destroyed because of this.
No. "Incomprehensible". Meaning we cannot conceive the idea of God's existence and reason. The Jews tried to personify Him, as being a subject of a Male, yet even then our comprehension cannot be. God isn't a being, he transcends existence. Meaning He would be above all human labeling. Magic can be comprehended, thus it is of human design. God cannot be labeled as such, nor can He be characterized. Of Human design, all concepts of God are all false. We cannot prove nor disprove His existence because of this. An atheist cannot prove what cannot be comprehended to not exist, and a theist cannot prove what cannot be comprehend to exist as well. He is the mathematical Singularity. The unsolvable problem. J R R Tolkien nailed the concept of God on the head with Tom Bombadil. Now Tolkien stated that the One was not Tom, but his description of him fits God the most. "He is". Such arguments over God's existence is futile on both sides, where as we try to comprehend "something that does not exist" in our imperfect comprehension. The question remains, and the answer is clear. We don't know. That's the best answer to fit that question. Any other answer is just as foolish as its negation is.
So if he doesn't start or stop, why did he suddenly decide to create the world after a theoretical infinity of waiting? Not to mention that infinity is not a thing in reality, only in theory.
But with the Big Bang we acknowledge that we know very little to nothing about what was before. With God people just assume that not only did something exist before, that something had consciousness AND omnipotence.
beginning is a human construct, humans cant fathom there being no such thing as a beginning. But yeah I'm an atheist, I always just found that interesting to think about.
I hate people like you. Being needlessly picky. Science would have no explanation for God, even if it did exist. It would be completely unfathomable to our minds, you can't assign characteristics to something that can't be described, or even imagined.
Anyway, beyond all your pseudo intellectualism, science has no better explanation for the origin than religion does. We simply don't know what happened, or why, and science will never be able to explain. Try to imagine god as sentient... ethereal even. God isn't a thing, nor a person, it is an... idea of sorts. Applying rationality to a subject that has no rational response or reasoning is just full retard dude.
I appreciate the insults, they really add to the debate I feel. I'm simply thinking out loud. I'm not pretending to have any answers, I'm merely asking questions, for my sake as much as for anyone who'd look at this. People who talk about science in fiction also do it because they're interesting thought experiments, much less because they actually take it seriously, but surprise, talking about science fiction science has actually lead to some interesting breaks in technology. So I won't apologize for talking nor for thinking. You, however, represent a backwards step in philosophy.
it's kind of sad seeing very young children be religious, you know they don't have a ******* clue what they're talking about and are just obeying whatever their parents told them to believe, defeating the point of religion entirely.
I agree to some degree thank you, thank you
But all children reach an age where they can make that decision for themselves. Almost every christian realizes at some point that they've yet to make a decision on their religion, and the church usually supports them in making that decision without bias or parental intervention.
My church recommends that each member speaks to the pastor about it when they turn 16. A good third of the teens leave after that conversation, because they realize that out denomination, or our religion, or religion in general isn't for them. Tearful goodbyes are said.
Point is, it seems like our biology alone keeps us from believing these things without personally wanting to.
Thanks for reading, religifags
Yeah, but they aren't being forced into anything of import. They don't have to make big tithes, or donate too much of their time.
But if they have to read the bible an hour a day, or go to seminary every morning, that's too much. That's why I said I do agree to some degree.
You're assuming too much from one image
I went to a uk protenstant school, so it wasn't even that orthadox, but we had to sing religious songs everyday, go to church twice a week on school time and the teachers made us speak a passage before the end of school. Out of about 30 of us in the class, i think only 2 are believers now, according to facebook
It's ******* stupid educating a child the fundamentals of life, then adding religion which is choice, which is only going to make the kid feel like it's as much as a fact as 2+2=4. It wasn't until i was about 16 i made my decisions on my own, since leaving the school at 12
I see you got nothing from those years, but did they really have any negative effect on your life? It didn't seem to brainwash anybody if 28 out of thirty decided not to go along with it.
I hate how much FJ is so strongly atheist, and a lot of times it's not even "real" Atheism. It's always people trying to bandwagon to try and seem edgy. I don't have a problem with Atheists in the most part, but when you're saying "children shouldn't be religious!" or "don't be religious at all lol!" it makes you look pretty arrogant.
While, yes there are some children who are force-fed religion, there are also a lot who are force fed Atheism, same as any other belief. Please, stop trying to ignore double standards here. The main issue is that parents as a whole don't let their kids believe what they want, regarding politics, religion, or even race.