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#3 - lupislord (11/27/2014) [-]
When at first you don't succeed...
When at first you don't succeed...
#39 to #3 - raskullquake (11/28/2014) [-]
Add more rockets!!
User avatar #5 - okamiterasu (11/28/2014) [-]
I get the feeling that is a catholic school
#46 to #5 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
I go to a catholic school and I can confirm
User avatar #82 to #46 - psychosamurai (11/28/2014) [-]
It's true. I'm the catholic school, I can confirm this.
#121 to #82 - ultradar (11/30/2014) [-]
It's catholic, I am confirm.
#29 - linkofreek (11/28/2014) [-]
>Thankful for god

What, that makes no sense

I bet these are Americans

#40 to #29 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
carefull now, a lot of these morons still believe in a man in the sky and a chick who ate an apple and talked to a snake and messed up this world or whatever... ******* morons
#60 to #40 - commencingfailure (11/28/2014) [-]
EXTREME EDGINESS 2.0
EXTREME EDGINESS 2.0
User avatar #95 to #60 - qonetwothreefive (11/28/2014) [-]
The problem is that he is true about a whole lot of americans
Creationists barely exist out of Murica
User avatar #74 to #60 - kattr (11/28/2014) [-]
no ,not really, just common sense
#85 to #29 - atonial (11/28/2014) [-]
Come back when you have a flag on the moon.
Success breeds jealousy.
User avatar #52 to #29 - yisumad (11/28/2014) [-]
Of course they're Americans.
Thanksgiving is an American holiday.
#8 - pipeworks (11/28/2014) [-]
I never understood people who are thankful for God. If you believe God exists, then you believe he created everything and wasn't created by anything. Who the 			****		 are you thanking for Him?   
   
I don't know it just seems weird to me.
I never understood people who are thankful for God. If you believe God exists, then you believe he created everything and wasn't created by anything. Who the **** are you thanking for Him?

I don't know it just seems weird to me.
User avatar #54 to #8 - jokexplain ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
if you believe in the trinity, maybe you could thank God for birthing God, because he's his own father/son? dk just spitballing here
#10 to #8 - tehavatar ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
its more of like, im glad I have this, not i thank god I have this.
#17 to #8 - karenoniks ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
I always thought that we should thank the snake (whether it was Lucifer or Satan), after all he did technically save us, there is no good without bad, and there was no bad in Eden, which meant that human life was always tedious and boring, he gave us science, he gave us art, he gave us technology, he gave us mind!!
Why is he a bad guy?
He killed less people than God, he showed us how bad of a father God is in the book of Job, seriously, would you almost kill your son's wife, sons, daughters take everything from him just because somebody offended your ego?
If he is blamed for all the evil on the world then he should also be thanked for all the good in the world, for giving contrast, as good without evil is just as bad as evil without good.
#20 to #17 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
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User avatar #30 to #20 - karenoniks ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
By the way, I checked the sources, actually, Lucifer/Satan only killed the family of Job, which was the part of the bet, so God allowed him to do it, he even wanted for him to do it, so the blood of Jobs family is on God's hands too.
User avatar #31 to #30 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
Well being a God does entail the power to kill any species at any time with minimum effort.
User avatar #32 to #31 - karenoniks ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
But being a christian God also means that you are all-good, killing is bad, which creates yet another paradox and hipocrysy.
User avatar #33 to #32 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
Well he IS good. Good and bad are defined by the highest power.
User avatar #35 to #33 - karenoniks ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
So, Satan is bad and God is good because God is making up rules that make Satan bad and God good?
User avatar #36 to #35 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
Yup. That's why I try to avoid the "good and evil" duality. It's subjective, and thus useless in most debates.
#41 to #36 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
just as useless as debating something as silly as religion...so outdated and yet so clingy..
User avatar #45 to #41 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
Well if you debate the concepts mentioned (also known as theology), you can find some interesting philosophical and theosophical subjects.
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#51 to #17 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
gotta love those people telling this story as though it is fact
User avatar #55 to #51 - karenoniks ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
***** , christians believe it is a fact, why would they otherwise baptise their children?
User avatar #66 to #55 - thatguynine (11/28/2014) [-]
No, Christians don't believe it as fact. Creationists believe it is a fact, there is some overlap but it is not total.
User avatar #67 to #66 - karenoniks ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
Then why do they baptise their children?
If they don't believe this story as a fact, therefore the original sin, and baptising cleanses you from original sin then what's the point?
User avatar #68 to #67 - thatguynine (11/28/2014) [-]
It's more symbolic, like they're new and therefore pure and can always be forgiven.
User avatar #62 to #17 - thatguynine (11/28/2014) [-]
Keep in mind that by tricking Eve into eating the apple, the snake sets in motion every war, disease, famine, etc. to ever kill someone. It also gets kind of weird when discussing death in religion, because they believe in an afterlife; so death isn't an end-all-be-all. Essentially, God isn't evil for killing people because life is a trial for the afterlife. That's just my understanding anyway.
User avatar #63 to #62 - karenoniks ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
If you never experienced sadness can you really experience happiness? Being mindless zombies, just sitting in the garden, eating some fruit without ability to think, is that what you want?
Also, if God isn't evil for killing people because life is a trial for afterlife then why is murder bad when done by humans?
User avatar #65 to #63 - thatguynine (11/28/2014) [-]
You would still experience emotion in the Garden of Eden, remember, according to the Bible, autonomy is the most important thing God gave humans. Murder is bad when people do ii because they don't know what the other person has or hasn't done. God is supposed to be omniscient and therefore the only one that can make that decision.
User avatar #9 to #8 - victorydanceofc ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
O_O

It's kind of a... "thanks for not ******* us up even though we ******* suck" kinda thing
#12 to #8 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
If god created everything then who created God?
User avatar #13 to #12 - exceeding (11/28/2014) [-]
he created himself apparently.
#14 to #13 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
But he can't create himself when he doesn't exist. There have to be a point where he does not exist and things that don't exist can't create anything.
But he can't create himself when he doesn't exist. There have to be a point where he does not exist and things that don't exist can't create anything.
#16 to #14 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
He created everything, including time (and therefore causality), the only real difference between the athiest view of the Big Bang and the Christian one is the latter believe it was a conscious decision and the former that it was probably a quantum event.
#42 to #16 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
haha good one, always cracks me up when people pretend to believe fairy tales.

But seriously wake the **** up you indoctrinated idiot..what would you believe in if you were born in an islamic country?
User avatar #56 to #42 - jokexplain ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
approximately the same thing
it's still a monotheistic religion m8
User avatar #116 to #42 - penileburglar (11/28/2014) [-]
...How are you calling him indoctrinated when he didn't even state what he believed in?

All he did was explain what each belief entails. That's just knowledge, something you seem to lack.
#37 to #16 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
you know... it shows when someone has no idea when they mention time as a thing that exists.
User avatar #59 to #14 - grovylethewhite (11/28/2014) [-]
I think it all boils down to the idea that we live in a universe with time, whereas god doesn't live inside the universe, he lives outside of the universe, where there is no time. Since we are bound by the laws of time, and he is not, that basically means that he can always have existed, since there's no time. If he exists, of course.

That's how I'm understanding it, anyway.
User avatar #70 to #59 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
But why aren't we the same then? Since we were created in His image?
User avatar #119 to #70 - grovylethewhite (11/29/2014) [-]
late reply, but just because we were created in his image, doesn't mean we're created in his time zone

in my own personal opinion, if god actually does exist, he created us as a test, to see what humanity can do

but i'm not a bishop, i can only really answer so much on this topic
User avatar #120 to #119 - Kairyuka (11/29/2014) [-]
Well time zone would imply that he lives on the Earth, and I don't think he would.
Besides, why would a bishop know much more? He's just a guy in a silly robe.
#106 to #70 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
Because you're using "God" to refer to the Abrahamic faiths
User avatar #118 to #106 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
Right now I'm referring to the Christian God, as he's the one I know the most about (excluding fictional religions)
User avatar #98 to #12 - redbannerman ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
Clearly he just decided that he would exist. I honestly think it kinda went like this

"Huh... this whole "Not-existing" thing is kinda boring"
" **** it, I'm gonna exist now"
*Pop*
"There, I exist now... now I'm gonna make other things exist for the hell of it"
User avatar #71 to #12 - dsgbiohazard (11/28/2014) [-]
While I'm honestly not fond of religion, that isn't quite fair. If something had to of created God, then something had to have created the thing that created God too.
User avatar #72 to #71 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
And that would be paradoxical. Wouldn't that mean that the assumption that God exists is wrong, based on inductive reasoning?
User avatar #73 to #72 - dsgbiohazard (11/28/2014) [-]
You could use the same idea for science. If the universe could 'just exist', then so could God.
User avatar #75 to #73 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
That's not quite how The Big Bang is theorized though. We KNOW the Big Bang happened. We don't know what happened before, because everything in our universe was created around the Big Bang. Thus whatever was before has only left its mark on a universe/place we cannot reach as of today.
User avatar #77 to #75 - dsgbiohazard (11/28/2014) [-]
The big bang happened because what exploded creating the big bang existed. There was no random explosion in empty space. The big bang happened because a huge mass blew up. The huge mass that was there before it blew up was the universe, in its singular mass state.
User avatar #79 to #77 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
Exactly, but that mass had to exist in some kind of space. Also, if it could happen at one point in this theoretical "space", then it can and will happen more than once. So what happens when two realities expand? Can two separate realities collide?
User avatar #80 to #79 - dsgbiohazard (11/28/2014) [-]
The point is that the mass that created the big bang existed, with science believing it always existed.

I'm not sure if you read my first comment, but I said I'm not fond of religion. I don't believe in anything spiritual.
User avatar #81 to #80 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
I'm not really arguing against anyone, I'm just thinking questions out loud. I've been thinking about this for a while now. The Big Bang has most likely happened more than once. But where? And how? Where does a universe exist? What's behind the "borders" of the universe? Life is weird.
#83 to #81 - dsgbiohazard (11/28/2014) [-]
Yeah, it definitely is.
Yeah, it definitely is.
User avatar #61 to #12 - RiflemanFunny (11/28/2014) [-]
A question that can only be solved by saying God transcends existence. In our realm, He would be incomprehensible. IF anyone said they could comprehend God, then they are liars. Transcending existence would answer all both the Atheist argument and the Christian argument. He cannot exist as a sentient being to humans because He is above it, he transcends it. He cannot be created, nor destroyed because of this.
User avatar #69 to #61 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
So basically "It's magic bitch" then. That's lazy writing. Reality's author should read some good fiction.
#90 to #69 - RiflemanFunny (11/28/2014) [-]
No. "Incomprehensible". Meaning we cannot conceive the idea of God's existence and reason. The Jews tried to personify Him, as being a subject of a Male, yet even then our comprehension cannot be. God isn't a being, he transcends existence. Meaning He would be above all human labeling. Magic can be comprehended, thus it is of human design. God cannot be labeled as such, nor can He be characterized. Of Human design, all concepts of God are all false. We cannot prove nor disprove His existence because of this. An atheist cannot prove what cannot be comprehended to not exist, and a theist cannot prove what cannot be comprehend to exist as well. He is the mathematical Singularity. The unsolvable problem. J R R Tolkien nailed the concept of God on the head with Tom Bombadil. Now Tolkien stated that the One was not Tom, but his description of him fits God the most. "He is". Such arguments over God's existence is futile on both sides, where as we try to comprehend "something that does not exist" in our imperfect comprehension. The question remains, and the answer is clear. We don't know. That's the best answer to fit that question. Any other answer is just as foolish as its negation is.
#15 to #12 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
nothing created him, he just was is and always will be.
User avatar #19 to #15 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
So if he doesn't start or stop, why did he suddenly decide to create the world after a theoretical infinity of waiting? Not to mention that infinity is not a thing in reality, only in theory.
#27 to #19 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
The answer is the same as to "what was before the big bang?" Time didn't exist before it, so there was no "infinity of waiting".
User avatar #28 to #27 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
But with the Big Bang we acknowledge that we know very little to nothing about what was before. With God people just assume that not only did something exist before, that something had consciousness AND omnipotence.
User avatar #43 to #28 - bluerangermartin (11/28/2014) [-]
beginning is a human construct, humans cant fathom there being no such thing as a beginning. But yeah I'm an atheist, I always just found that interesting to think about.
User avatar #44 to #43 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
The reality we current reside in dictate a beginning and end to everything. I cannot speak for the quantum state before this reality existed however.
#111 to #44 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
I hate people like you. Being needlessly picky. Science would have no explanation for God, even if it did exist. It would be completely unfathomable to our minds, you can't assign characteristics to something that can't be described, or even imagined.

Anyway, beyond all your pseudo intellectualism, science has no better explanation for the origin than religion does. We simply don't know what happened, or why, and science will never be able to explain. Try to imagine god as sentient... ethereal even. God isn't a thing, nor a person, it is an... idea of sorts. Applying rationality to a subject that has no rational response or reasoning is just full retard dude.
User avatar #117 to #111 - Kairyuka (11/28/2014) [-]
I appreciate the insults, they really add to the debate I feel. I'm simply thinking out loud. I'm not pretending to have any answers, I'm merely asking questions, for my sake as much as for anyone who'd look at this. People who talk about science in fiction also do it because they're interesting thought experiments, much less because they actually take it seriously, but surprise, talking about science fiction science has actually lead to some interesting breaks in technology. So I won't apologize for talking nor for thinking. You, however, represent a backwards step in philosophy.
User avatar #48 to #19 - tosatsu (11/28/2014) [-]
Read Asimov's "the last question"

www.multivax.com/last_question.html

User avatar #50 - jokexplain ONLINE (11/28/2014) [-]
might be a poorly worded thanks to the soldiers or something
she emerged from the american soldier circlejerk machine a little confused
#64 - anon (11/28/2014) [-]
it's kind of sad seeing very young children be religious, you know they don't have a ******* clue what they're talking about and are just obeying whatever their parents told them to believe, defeating the point of religion entirely.
User avatar #84 to #64 - aguycalledlee (11/28/2014) [-]
You are so ******* right.
User avatar #87 to #64 - ubadubba (11/28/2014) [-]
I agree to some degree thank you, thank you
But all children reach an age where they can make that decision for themselves. Almost every christian realizes at some point that they've yet to make a decision on their religion, and the church usually supports them in making that decision without bias or parental intervention.
My church recommends that each member speaks to the pastor about it when they turn 16. A good third of the teens leave after that conversation, because they realize that out denomination, or our religion, or religion in general isn't for them. Tearful goodbyes are said.
Point is, it seems like our biology alone keeps us from believing these things without personally wanting to.
Thanks for reading, religifags
User avatar #88 to #87 - upfordownsyndrome (11/28/2014) [-]
But these kids are like 8.
User avatar #89 to #88 - ubadubba (11/28/2014) [-]
Yeah, but they aren't being forced into anything of import. They don't have to make big tithes, or donate too much of their time.
But if they have to read the bible an hour a day, or go to seminary every morning, that's too much. That's why I said I do agree to some degree.
#94 to #89 - scottysglasses (11/28/2014) [-]
You're assuming too much from one image   
I went to a uk protenstant school, so it wasn't even that orthadox, but we had to sing religious songs everyday, go to church twice a week on school time and the teachers made us speak a passage before the end of school. Out of about 30 of us in the class, i think only 2 are believers now, according to facebook   
It's 			*******		 stupid educating a child the fundamentals of life, then adding religion which is choice, which is only going to make the kid feel like it's as much as a fact as 2+2=4. It wasn't until i was about 16 i made my decisions on my own, since leaving the school at 12
You're assuming too much from one image
I went to a uk protenstant school, so it wasn't even that orthadox, but we had to sing religious songs everyday, go to church twice a week on school time and the teachers made us speak a passage before the end of school. Out of about 30 of us in the class, i think only 2 are believers now, according to facebook
It's ******* stupid educating a child the fundamentals of life, then adding religion which is choice, which is only going to make the kid feel like it's as much as a fact as 2+2=4. It wasn't until i was about 16 i made my decisions on my own, since leaving the school at 12
User avatar #110 to #94 - ubadubba (11/28/2014) [-]
I see you got nothing from those years, but did they really have any negative effect on your life? It didn't seem to brainwash anybody if 28 out of thirty decided not to go along with it.
User avatar #112 to #110 - ubadubba (11/28/2014) [-]
I apologize profusely for saying '28' and then 'thirty'
I will devote the rest of my life to making up for this great error.
User avatar #93 to #64 - bloodredspark (11/28/2014) [-]
These thumbs.

I hate how much FJ is so strongly atheist, and a lot of times it's not even "real" Atheism. It's always people trying to bandwagon to try and seem edgy. I don't have a problem with Atheists in the most part, but when you're saying "children shouldn't be religious!" or "don't be religious at all lol!" it makes you look pretty arrogant.

While, yes there are some children who are force-fed religion, there are also a lot who are force fed Atheism, same as any other belief. Please, stop trying to ignore double standards here. The main issue is that parents as a whole don't let their kids believe what they want, regarding politics, religion, or even race.
User avatar #103 to #64 - danniegurl (11/28/2014) [-]
I knew what I was talking about at that age. At 8 I asked to be baptized because I wanted to be.
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