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DC itam .
goju Arel anthis:
do u guys inderstand how creepy the pledge
of allegiance is though like every day when or
a Edd everybody just chants how great america
is every morning it' s creepy
You do that every morning???
is this a real thing i thought that wasjust in the sing: -sons
no son
Wait, other we holes don' t do this-
Mobsters' Not even Russia
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User avatar #10 - JimmyRocketfingers (02/10/2014) [-]
I remember doing this in elementary school, that **** was fun. Getting to stand up and shout the pledge of allegiance. Then when the teacher yells at you for being loud you get to call them a commie bastard like the patriotic 10 year old you are.
#446 to #10 - boobjiggle (02/11/2014) [-]
And then you go to high school and you're lame if you actually say it.
User avatar #320 to #10 - walkerjam (02/10/2014) [-]
Damn son, you guys actually do this. K3 kids recites the Pledge Of Allegiance
I'm all for patriotism, but damn...
User avatar #476 to #320 - nthmetal (02/11/2014) [-]
It's not that we're forced to, we don't have to at all. But everyone does it for fear of being the odd one out. In elementary school everyone actually says it, but in high school everyone just stands up and listens to the intercom. All you have to do is stand up wait and sit back down. You don't even have to do that actually, it's all optional; but because of social norms people choose to do that. Like if you walk into class and no one is sitting at their desk, they're just standing next to the wall, you'd probably not sit at your desk.
#511 to #476 - John Cena (02/11/2014) [-]
even though teachers can't legally force you to say the pledge, some still yell at you if you don't.
Pic related.
User avatar #85 to #10 - nattyicesixtynine (02/10/2014) [-]
hell yeah
#1 - solarisofcelestia (02/10/2014) [-]
Although I will report that we Canadians do stand for the national anthem in public schools.
#6 to #1 - someoneforamoment (02/10/2014) [-]
fortunately the person that wrote the music did a decent job so we usually skip the lyrics. Growing up I usually hear the orchestral version. Now i find it disgraceful if anyone that is not a good singer starts singing the anthem.
User avatar #365 to #1 - kittenfarts (02/10/2014) [-]
That's because the Canadian national anthem is the **** ! I'm American and I know every word.
User avatar #201 to #1 - xxhadesflamesxx (02/10/2014) [-]
but its different because if America does it then its brainwashing but if its Canada does it its fine
User avatar #213 to #201 - derkarus (02/10/2014) [-]
But we are doing completely different things, Americans are doing the pledge of allegiance while Canadians are singing the National Anthem.
User avatar #215 to #213 - xxhadesflamesxx (02/10/2014) [-]
still fairly similar
User avatar #445 to #201 - cattestacles (02/11/2014) [-]
Last I checked, we don't sing the Canadian national anthem everyday. Only during special events. At least that's how it was for every school I went to here in BC
User avatar #3 to #1 - whycanticaps (02/10/2014) [-]
I am National Anthem and this is true
User avatar #166 to #1 - habanaro (02/10/2014) [-]
You should stand when any country's national anthem plays, I thought.
User avatar #253 to #166 - gatorade (02/10/2014) [-]
Yes you're supposed to. As a sign of respect.
User avatar #360 to #253 - solarisofcelestia (02/10/2014) [-]
But what if we're ignorant as to what is the national anthem of the one particular country that is currently being played?
User avatar #459 to #360 - gatorade (02/11/2014) [-]
That's a separate question. If you're ignorant enough to not realize a national anthem is playing then you're probably deaf.
User avatar #13 to #1 - assrocket ONLINE (02/10/2014) [-]
Our national anthem is in both Maori and English, but a lot of older people don't know the Maori lyrics because they were introduced officially within recent-ish years. So it's really funny when people have to sing the national anthem and it's all mumbly and **** for the Maori part then suddenly "GOD OF NATIONS AT THY FEET ************ !!!!!!!!!" and the entire audience wants to make up for their lame singing so everyone's suddenly scream-singing.

It's a pretty cool place to live.
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#168 to #1 - platinuminfernape (02/10/2014) [-]
Canadian anthem is the best anthem.
Canadian anthem is the best anthem.
#473 to #168 - John Cena (02/11/2014) [-]
oh canada built on stolen native land.....
#537 to #473 - John Cena (02/11/2014) [-]
You mean just like the U.S.? except they just flat out murdered most natives in the U.S., atleast in Canada there are still some native...
User avatar #18 - PTTN (02/10/2014) [-]
I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you and have a nice day.

Every day for 12 ******* years.
User avatar #23 to #18 - kosicandavid ONLINE (02/10/2014) [-]
wow... it sounds similair to pledge of allegiance of the SS soldiers to the Hitler
#27 to #23 - Hyoukin (02/10/2014) [-]
Kids reciting the pledge in 1941. Of course the salute was changed when Hitler took power.
#232 to #27 - philss (02/10/2014) [-]
hitler took power in 1933 and WWII started in 1939.
User avatar #544 to #27 - kosicandavid ONLINE (02/11/2014) [-]
dear sweet mother of god what the hell happened to you America?
#32 to #18 - budva (02/10/2014) [-]
I'm a Britbong and when i lived in US for a few years they threatened to expel me if I didn't say the pledge. **** America man.
User avatar #62 to #32 - Hyoukin (02/10/2014) [-]
You know that's illegal, right? The Supreme Court has ruled on more than one occasion that no student can be forced to say the pledge in school.
#317 to #62 - budva (02/10/2014) [-]
I was like 8 man, what 8 year old is going to know that..
User avatar #178 to #32 - jakecrafted (02/10/2014) [-]
That's an obvious lie.
#316 to #178 - budva (02/10/2014) [-]
Except it isn't. You dense cunt.
User avatar #528 to #316 - jakecrafted (02/11/2014) [-]
it's illegal to force someone to say the pledge of allegiance, so it would have just been whatever ****** school you went to, not America in general.
User avatar #437 to #178 - anusdestoyer (02/11/2014) [-]
No No, you get in trouble if you don't say it, the kind of trouble depends on the school though. So his story could be true.
User avatar #340 to #18 - randomwanker (02/10/2014) [-]
Honor the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to thee Texas, one state under God one and indivisible I had to do both
#346 to #18 - unncommon (02/10/2014) [-]
"Thank you and have a nice day."
"Thank you and have a nice day."
User avatar #422 to #18 - dyllygaf (02/11/2014) [-]
To be fair, you don't have to do it though. I pretty much stopped by 5th grade and just stood to be respectful
User avatar #19 to #18 - mutzaki (02/10/2014) [-]
It's hard to believe that public schools would be allowed to force this onto kids. Especially the part about god.
User avatar #28 to #19 - Hyoukin (02/10/2014) [-]
They're not really allowed to "force" it on any student. Most schools conduct the pledge each morning, but students have the option to participate or not participate if they choose, and by law can't be punished for their choice. My middle school (6th-8th) stopped doing the pledge my 7th grade year, and my High School never did it while I was there - I assume other schools choose not to do it as well.
User avatar #29 to #28 - shunkahawolf (02/10/2014) [-]
in my school the kids who didnt want to do the pledge stood outside the classroom for five minutes after class started. then we were allowed back in.
User avatar #484 to #29 - slycoop (02/11/2014) [-]
FIVE minutes? The pledge is way shorter than that.
User avatar #514 to #484 - shunkahawolf (02/11/2014) [-]
yeah they were trying to make us feel bad and **** .
User avatar #520 to #514 - slycoop (02/11/2014) [-]
That's ******** , and not to mention a complete waste of instructional time.
User avatar #523 to #520 - shunkahawolf (02/11/2014) [-]
yep :/ but it was also like 18 years ago and i doubt they would get away with it now
User avatar #524 to #523 - slycoop (02/11/2014) [-]
Yeah, probably not.
User avatar #361 to #28 - adrilazzaro (02/10/2014) [-]
I was threatened to be suspended when i didnt sing it even though i didnt acutally know it (not american) glad i dont go to public school anymore
#521 to #361 - myshipsailedwoutme (02/11/2014) [-]
Sing it? It's not a song...
User avatar #522 to #521 - adrilazzaro (02/11/2014) [-]
chant it, whatever my point still stands
#527 to #522 - myshipsailedwoutme (02/11/2014) [-]
Well what your school was doing was illegal. You could have taken that to court if you wanted to. The Supreme Courst has ruled that public schools cannot force students to say the pledge.
User avatar #20 to #19 - localbees (02/10/2014) [-]
I don't know how it was for other people, but at all the schools I went to, you were allowed to leave out "under God" if you so desired
User avatar #289 to #19 - failtolawl (02/10/2014) [-]
they don't force you to say it.
User avatar #249 to #19 - gatorade (02/10/2014) [-]
Schools don't force it, the social stigma if you don't say it is what forces it.

It's very similar to the experiment where monkeys are sprayed if they go for a banana, and replaced every so often, sooner or later, none of us know what we do it, we just do.

I personally repeat it and stand at attention every time, I don't say "under God" just because this country was founded on freedom of religion, and some wussy congressmen added it during the Red Scare of the 50's.

I believe it's fine to not say it or put your hand over your heart, but not standing, I see is just as disrespectful as not standing or taking your hat off for a national anthem, of your nation or not.
User avatar #488 to #249 - slycoop (02/11/2014) [-]
Wow, you're exactly like me. I too think that as a minimum amount of respect you should stand during it. Personally, I stand and usually recite it, but never the "under God" part.
User avatar #319 to #249 - chezburgadominator (02/10/2014) [-]
The kids in my school aren't all that into school spirit. A few teachers suggest you do it but kids tend to rarely stand for the pledge and even when they do, no one ever does the pledge.
User avatar #460 to #319 - gatorade (02/11/2014) [-]
It's standing out of respect rather than love for a nation or flag.
User avatar #461 to #460 - chezburgadominator (02/11/2014) [-]
I'm aware.
User avatar #465 to #461 - gatorade (02/11/2014) [-]
Then it's a sign of disrespect to not stand. Those people who don't stand are disrespecting everyone who has fought for this country and everyone who has worked to build this country.
User avatar #467 to #465 - chezburgadominator (02/11/2014) [-]
I completely understand that, and to be truthful. I don't think High Schoolers in Brookyln could give any more ***** . Most of them are rude and lethargic and it's kind of sad.
User avatar #469 to #467 - gatorade (02/11/2014) [-]
That's what happens when a nation that was built on the back of hard working people ends up having everything. We get pampered because we have what our grand-parents didn't. We're spoiled brats now'a'days.
#125 to #19 - JHDog (02/10/2014) [-]
People, it's not that big of a ******* deal, we just say during the morning. It's not like we say it and then cut our wrist to draw blood in the name of the Virgin Guadalupe while sacrificing a small goat.
User avatar #190 to #125 - pooplol (02/10/2014) [-]
you're proving the posts point here
#530 to #190 - JHDog (02/11/2014) [-]
right, but you guys a reacting to it as if we are being brainwashed by some 'higher order'. it's not illegal if we don't say it, normally those who refuse to recite the pledge are normally the ones crave attention because they don't believe in "the under god part, the nation as a whole, or some other ******** ". When in reality here in the US no one gives a **** about the pledge. I guess to put it more simply, since almost every public school recites the pledge, it's not as dramatic or nationalistic as you may think it is.
User avatar #531 to #530 - pooplol (02/11/2014) [-]
I have to do this everyday too. I am American as well.
#532 to #531 - JHDog (02/11/2014) [-]
then you can see where i'm getting at. The pledge is more traditional than it is brainwashing.
User avatar #534 to #532 - pooplol (02/11/2014) [-]
I do, but you over reacting like this proves the posts point. I honestly don't care if overs think badly of our pledge as long as it doesn't actually do anything bad to us which it doesn't.
#535 to #534 - JHDog (02/11/2014) [-]
oh no, I wasn't over reacting haha. I was just trying to be funny while giving insight, but it backfired
User avatar #383 to #125 - mexicandudeinsd ONLINE (02/10/2014) [-]
my mom is virginguadalupe
i can confirm
User avatar #180 to #19 - lvlonemeepo (02/10/2014) [-]
Actually you don't have to, I didn't do it and they don't care they just play it because its patriotic.
User avatar #87 to #19 - hoponthefeelstrain (02/10/2014) [-]
They don't "punish" you but they make you feel guilty sometimes they'll threaten to write you up or give you a referral. You have to stand in my school and we have a moment of silence where you have to be silent.
User avatar #102 to #87 - metalmind (02/10/2014) [-]
What? What's the point of that?
User avatar #136 to #102 - myrtille (02/10/2014) [-]
It's for praying or meditating, or whatever you do.
User avatar #12 - kyubichan (02/10/2014) [-]
Isn't that brainwashing?
#63 to #12 - lenecroskullfuck (02/10/2014) [-]
Great book on the subject, worth the read.
User avatar #74 to #63 - lolzordz (02/10/2014) [-]
I trust you because James Clavell
User avatar #377 to #12 - elcreepo (02/10/2014) [-]
no its patriotic and everyone always yells that when you decide you don't want to regurgitate your country's chant for the fifth time in a week
User avatar #478 to #12 - italianchef (02/11/2014) [-]
no because hardly anyone even cares past middle school
User avatar #493 to #12 - slycoop (02/11/2014) [-]
If you guys think this is stupid, try going to school in Texas. They have a ******* TEXAS pledge as well.

"Honor the Texas flag; I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one state under God, one and indivisible."

I may have allegiance to a country, but I don't have allegiance to a single state in that country.
User avatar #162 to #12 - tealcanaan (02/10/2014) [-]
Whats so weird, we say the pledge of allegiance because we have pried in our nation, it's a pledge to our home and the unity we have with our fellow U.S. citizens in our sovereign nation. I think it's weird how much European nations try to downplay national pride in any form as if it were fascism. It's not and it's not brainwashing, it doesn't play toward any political group or movement, it is just a show of devotion to the nation that represents our interests (usually) and if not we will do what it takes to keep our nation free of tyranny. We support "The Republic" not just what ever the government does.
User avatar #371 to #162 - darrensankari (02/10/2014) [-]
Are half the kids who do it at an early age even smart enough to understand why they do it? Are they mature enough to understand "pride" ? It seems to me like to most of the kids it's just something they do at the start of every day for a reason they don't really give a **** about.
#83 to #12 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
This just in! Being patriotic and pledging to not be a traitor to the country that protects you is now brainwashing!
User avatar #96 to #83 - jukuku (02/10/2014) [-]
Repeatedly chanting something to yourself in a mass of people at an age when you don't even understand the words is indoctrination and it should be illegal. Any form of indoctrination or coercion into a religious of political body by force, threat of force or psychological abuse should be considered dangerous and inhumane.
User avatar #177 to #12 - jakecrafted (02/10/2014) [-]
It's not a requirement to stand up for the pledge, at least in my state, you can elect to sit down and not do it, which the majority of people do.
User avatar #367 to #177 - adrilazzaro (02/10/2014) [-]
I was threatened to be suspended when i didnt sing it even though i didnt acutally know it (not american) glad i dont go to public school anymore
User avatar #529 to #367 - jakecrafted (02/11/2014) [-]
Well I guess individual schools decide to go their own way, but it's a national law that you can not be forced to sing the pledge, so in this instance it would be your school that is in the wrong.
User avatar #533 to #529 - adrilazzaro (02/11/2014) [-]
yeah i guess, then again im in texas so i guess they're a bit more "american" about their patriotism than other places here
User avatar #536 to #533 - jakecrafted (02/11/2014) [-]
That would make sense, i'm personally from Michigan and we dont take the pledge of allegiance very seriously.
User avatar #82 to #12 - kaiyuni (02/10/2014) [-]
Not really because you have the right to decline at any time and not say the pledge; even as a child.

People like to point it out as brainwashing though as if kids really give a single **** about the words they're saying and they aren't just going along with the motions. I honestly didn't even understand half the words in the pledge until like a year or two after I learned it, and didn't understand the full meaning until high school when I had government class and say what each and every word combined actually means.
#392 to #12 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
Isn't anything you teach a child technically brainwashing? Math is brainwashing, you spend every day of a child's life teaching them to do it and repeat it until they accept it to be true.

Either way, it's not really because kids are no more patriotic for saying pledge. No one even means it. It's just a tradition.
#24 to #12 - bigmanblue (02/10/2014) [-]
basicaly yeah
they ingrain into kids that america is the greatest ever which makes it easier to keep the population stupid as a whole
User avatar #196 to #12 - xxhadesflamesxx (02/10/2014) [-]
no not really you don't have to say it and also a lot of people insert jokes into it
#25 to #12 - angelwithashotgun (02/10/2014) [-]
why do you think americans are so buthurt whenever you point out even a little flaw with their country?
#34 to #25 - swagloon (02/10/2014) [-]
Same can be said about other nations.
User avatar #119 to #34 - nazo (02/10/2014) [-]
The difference is that Europe is a continent and not a country, every country has its pros and cons and most of them do not share culture.

So, saying something to Europe, its saying something to all the different countries.
User avatar #132 to #119 - swagloon (02/10/2014) [-]
And the US. is made up of states the size of Europes' countries, every state "has its pros and cons and most of them do not share culture" and the only thing holding them together is the National Govt.

My point still stands. Don't give me that Europe isn't a country it's a continent **** , it's irreverent here. Plus I said Nations.
User avatar #142 to #132 - Faz (02/10/2014) [-]
Time for red thumbs from people thinking im insulting their country but if you think that the American states are as different to each other as the countries in Europe then you need to stop commenting, the most radically different states in America are still more similar than one country to the next in Europe (with the obvious exceptions of the countries in the UK)
User avatar #149 to #142 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
Except the more populated states are filled with immigrants from all over the world and the big cities in said states have more cultures in a few square miles than most european countries. You cant really talk about diversity and **** like that when most of your national boarders are made based on where one culture starts and ends and many nations that are multicultural over there explode into tons of smaller states.
User avatar #155 to #149 - Faz (02/10/2014) [-]
"You cant really talk about diversity and **** like that when most of your national boarders are made based on where one culture starts and ends" except when talking about the difference between one country and another (which we are) yes, yes you can.
User avatar #159 to #155 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
The culture from state to states is as different as the culture difference between Frankfurt and Bavaria.
#182 to #159 - moggycore (02/10/2014) [-]
Well, I'd say that the difference between Spain and France is like two different worlds compared to Wisconsin and Minnesota where the only real difference is the football team and the area code.
User avatar #187 to #182 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
The difference between Spain and France is the about the same cultural difference that Pennsylvania and Tennessee has.

Comparing those two states is like taking Orleans and Nantes, looking at their differences and saying that all of europe is like that and there is no cultural difference across the whole thing.
#208 to #187 - moggycore (02/10/2014) [-]
Dude, do you even european history? Every european country has it's own unique history, with lots of changing borders, wars and different cultures. Most countries have it's own unique language and some have incredibly different dialects which can sound like different languages to the untrained ear. Each country has it's own characteristic landscape. You need to read up on some history, son, because the U.S. might have some history, but it is unparalelled to the diversity that Europe has to offer.
User avatar #243 to #208 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
Yea, maybe if you would look at Europe from a timescale that america has you would see that you are not all that different at the core from each other you just had more time to butcher your old languages and traditions and caused the making of new ones. That is what is happening with just a few hundred years in america.

The difference between a northern state like Pennsylvania and Texas in just a short hundred or so years is the exact same difference the franks and anglo-saxons had a few hundred years after the fall of rome.
#248 to #246 - europe (02/10/2014) [-]
New Zealand
User avatar #250 to #248 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
so like a 7?
User avatar #251 to #250 - europe (02/10/2014) [-]
No you don't understand
User avatar #252 to #251 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
America understands everything.
#546 to #252 - jamiemsm (02/11/2014) [-]
couldn't reply to the other one. no i thumbed down when you wouldn't answer me. i will thumb up again ofc. if you can educate me on how you are the most free country in the world?
#516 to #252 - jamiemsm (02/11/2014) [-]
i dont hate on america or anything. actually i dont know much america. i just really wanna know what all the freedom talk is? i mean, how are you more free than us? (danish btw) : )
User avatar #541 to #516 - imnotkickthecat (02/11/2014) [-]
You thumb down things when you dont understand them and you want me to explain stuff to you?
#548 to #246 - John Cena (02/20/2014) [-]
was anime iz that ?!
#547 to #246 - John Cena (02/20/2014) [-]
what anime iz thiz ?!
#260 to #243 - moggycore (02/10/2014) [-]
But dude, you're not getting the point. The point is that we've "had more time to butcher your our old languages and traditions and caused the making of new ones". We are very different now, which is caused by us being really different kinds of people from different cultures. You haven't reached this point yet, if you're ever getting there. You're saying it yourself, you won't be as different as we were a couple hundred years after the fall of rome, untill a couple hundred more years.
User avatar #288 to #260 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
Yea. you are right.
User avatar #219 to #187 - europe (02/10/2014) [-]
***** you talk about Europe alot yaknow
User avatar #498 to #149 - Scorch (02/11/2014) [-]
conmparing to states is like comparing 2 substates or provinces. All european countries are divivded as well and there's differences between the parts!

And no our countries are not as united as the countries in the states the only thing that's keeping us from total war is the european union.

The above picture about the ****** pledge or something shows that you guys give a massive **** about u.s.a.

the only reason we give a flying **** about the union is trade benefits, gaurentee for human rights and unity in military force. We cant even understand the languages 80% of the countries around is speak
User avatar #145 to #142 - swagloon (02/10/2014) [-]
I don't know I would figure New York, Louisiana, Hawaii, and Texas aren't that similar but you must be right their all the same.
User avatar #148 to #145 - Faz (02/10/2014) [-]
You should learn to read, I didn't say they were the same, i said there weren't as different as countries in Europe, you know since almost every single country in Europe has its own culture, language and a rich history.
#204 to #145 - ieatbengay (02/10/2014) [-]
yeah and there is no difference in different areas of different countries in europe right?
User avatar #206 to #204 - swagloon (02/10/2014) [-]
never said that. How ever its the same with the states then.
User avatar #211 to #206 - ieatbengay (02/10/2014) [-]
you really think states in america are as different as the countries in europe?
User avatar #235 to #211 - gatorade (02/10/2014) [-]
The culture, people, economy, accent, and social interaction between Maine and New Hampshire is HUGE. Of course it's not as huge as Europe since thousands of years of tribes warring with each other and conquest has driven wedges in cultures.
User avatar #256 to #235 - ieatbengay (02/10/2014) [-]
but you have within each country in europe
User avatar #259 to #256 - gatorade (02/10/2014) [-]
I do believe that US states are much more different to each other than German states are to each other.

Look at the size of the countries compared to the US, the distance itself is enough to make little pockets of separate American subcultures.
User avatar #267 to #259 - ieatbengay (02/10/2014) [-]
in every country in europe there are rich and poor ares and places with different resources etc which are the things that cause most cultural differences
User avatar #274 to #267 - gatorade (02/10/2014) [-]
Same thing in the US.

In Maine for example, People 50 miles inland are much different than people on the coast. Now multiply that by 50, and much more than that.
User avatar #500 to #206 - Scorch (02/11/2014) [-]
exactly the states are as diverse, I'll admit a little bit more diverse, then the different areas. not the countries.
User avatar #153 to #145 - rokkarokkaali (02/10/2014) [-]
Louisiana and Texas are pretty similar as far I've seen.
#185 to #153 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
One has a heavy French culture the other has a heavy Spanish culture. For the most part.
User avatar #198 to #153 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
Maybe if you are on the boarder, but go to Austin and watch the people. Then go to new Orleans and then say that the cultures there are the same.

In fact the Texas Louisiana culture difference is probably the biggest in such a small distance in the states because of the massively difference histories those two states have.
User avatar #147 to #132 - nazo (02/10/2014) [-]
Dont use the "the states are the countries size" EU is not the United states of Europe. If you desire to compare US with a country its size compare it with Rusia.

Plus, since US dont even work like a normal country it cant even compared to one. Even less to a continent or union.
#174 to #147 - personz (02/10/2014) [-]
Are your comparing Russia to the USA in size? Geographically, Russia is about twice as large as the USA, dude.
User avatar #205 to #174 - imnotkickthecat (02/10/2014) [-]
Except the part of Russia that is considered European cuts off at the Ural mountains. And then you only have what two or three population centers in the Asian part?
User avatar #277 to #205 - personz (02/10/2014) [-]
true, well then let's compare Russia to the US by population
< sorry how awkward the picture is, I tried my best to make the scales match
As it is clear, they aren't actually very close in population either, with the US having a clear larger number of people than Russia.
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#382 to #132 - kez (02/10/2014) [-]
You're a ******* idiot hahaha
#181 to #132 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
#35 to #34 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
Not really.

I know my country has a ******* of issues and the European Union is a load of ******** , run by criminals.
User avatar #101 to #35 - metalmind (02/10/2014) [-]
Wow, you really are not very well informed about the EU, are you?
#140 to #101 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
Barosso runs a commitee. In this commitee half its members are convicted fellons, things like corruption, fraud, intimidation. These are people with a prominent, leading, role in the European Union.
User avatar #156 to #140 - metalmind (02/10/2014) [-]
Wow, what a good troll.
Care to cite your sources?
User avatar #99 to #25 - jukuku (02/10/2014) [-]
Empathy is limited to borders for many people.

Sad, isn't it?
User avatar #16 to #12 - traveltech (02/10/2014) [-]
pretty much, yeah
#11 - thepastryistrue (02/10/2014) [-]
Guess who'd like that.
Guess who'd like that.
User avatar #137 to #11 - meloftw (02/10/2014) [-]
That's a tough one..... please tell me who...
User avatar #163 to #11 - tealcanaan (02/10/2014) [-]
Whats so weird, we say the pledge of allegiance because we have pried in our nation, it's a pledge to our home and the unity we have with our fellow U.S. citizens in our sovereign nation. I think it's weird how much European nations try to downplay national pride in any form as if it were fascism. It's not and it's not brainwashing, it doesn't play toward any political group or movement, it is just a show of devotion to the nation that represents our interests (usually) and if not we will do what it takes to keep our nation free of tyranny. We support "The Republic" not just what ever the government does.
#192 to #163 - moggycore (02/10/2014) [-]
Well, for me having it mandatory seems rather brainwashing. But, on the other hand, if it's optional, then I think it's great. I live in Norway, where nationalism is really frowned upon, which is really ****** up, because being proud of our nation is completely understandable. I wished we had the option to sing our national anthem of our country so that maybe people would understand how amazing our country really is. Same for every nation, have some pride! Except Uganda; **** Uganda
User avatar #241 to #192 - useroftheLOLZ (02/10/2014) [-]
it's not mandatory at all, on a federal level. There were times in grade school, where I wouldn't say the pledge, and I would be threatened to be suspended, (which is what a lot of people are saying, that's what happened to them), only for the principle to call my parents, and have them lay the smack down on him, for doing something illegal, that being, schools forcing you to pledge something you disagree with. It happened a few times later during my school career, and not once did I get in trouble, because my parents choose to be educated about it.

In high school, it wasn't even a problem, but many teachers still asked for you to stand, as a sign of respect, because my high school had a tremendous number of ex military teachers, and the vice principle was actually an ex Army Ranger, so it wasn't so much a matter of obligation, and brainwashing, it was a matter of respect towards the servicemen who had decided to teach in the school.

Heck, on Fridays, a small section of my performance choir group, would volunteer to sing the anthem, if no one wanted to do it, they would play a recording. It wasn't indoctrination, nor was it brainwashing. I often said the pledge, and stood for the anthem, but I still grew up to realize that there is a vast amount of corruption in America, and was able to realize that much of the history books embellish history, but I also learned that every country does it. And I'm not a special case, many students in my class were able to realize this too, even students from other schools, all the way from california, to ******* flordia, grew up to be able to realize this, (I learned this in a choir trip to flordia, in a choir contest, so that's the relevance.)

And you know what, it is kind of nice being able to be proud of your nation, and being able to pledge yourself to something good, something better than what many nations don't have, or struggle to uphold.

God damn Uganda
#275 to #241 - moggycore (02/10/2014) [-]
It's good to hear from someone who has pride in their nation, but still realizing that it has some flaws. We have flaws here too, but I choose to try to better it while still having pride in what we have.
Your school years Except the suspension, **** that actually sound really good.
I hate Uganda with an unreasonable hate
User avatar #453 to #275 - useroftheLOLZ (02/11/2014) [-]
There's surprisingly more people like me, than what most people figure america for. Sure we have our MURICA types, but those are like the minority of the minority, of the redneck minority, and live in their own little bubble, and sometimes, this bubble bleeds onto the internet.

Most Americans know that their is quite a bit of corruption, but we still love it, because of the fact that despite of this corruption, the standard of living, and the chances we can have, and get, are a hell of a lot more, and better, than say the Chinese Republic, or Great Britain. And even then, despite of the corruption, we're trying to remove it, and make the system work, and we are ready, willing, and able, to use force if necessary. Hell, there is a new movement in America, an enlightened generation, as Marilyn Manson put it, we have a generation that is growing up in the filth, and wretchedness in the world, they have the truth of the eyes, they can see what's wrong with the world, and are wanting to change it.

And for many of us, this is our home, we may hate it, see it's faults, and loath how it lets corrupt men rise to power, but we still love it for the fact that, well, we can change it. You don't have that chance in say Great Britain, you are labeled a terrorist if you so much as wear a Guy Fawkes mask. You don't have that ability in China, were your government will kill you, just to quell the riots, and to make an example of you. Do don't even have the right in Russia, where you, your family, and all trace that you ever existed, will disappear under the night sky, by the hands of the GRU or SPETSNAZ.

That's why I don't call the pledge, a form of brainwashing, or indoctrination, because we swear to uphold all that is great within America, and to defend it.

I ******* hate Uganda with an unhealthy amount of hatred, comparable to the burning intensity of a thousand suns. The reasons are too many to list.
User avatar #487 to #453 - tealcanaan (02/11/2014) [-]
That's what I was trying to say, also I was trying to say that it gave the extremely diverse America an identity instead of having people divided on racial and ethnic lines. Apparently the Europeans in here disagree completely and say you shouldn't have any semblance of devotion toward your nation or to the protection of you and your countrymen's rights.
User avatar #197 to #192 - tealcanaan (02/10/2014) [-]
It's not mandatory. Also I heard about some school in either Norway or Sweden made it were you couldn't wear a shirt with the nations flag in any type of class photo, "because it could offend immigrants". Do they not want the immigrants to be apart of their new nation?
#217 to #197 - moggycore (02/10/2014) [-]
Most of Norway is really scared to be thought of as a racist, because they really think about their image. So they do everything they can to make sure that no immigrant is offended that it's started to take away our freedom of speech. Some areas around the capitol has been declared under Sharia Law by the muslims in the area, since they are more than 50% of the inhabitants in those areas. Do the police do anything? no. The government? no. The media? no. It's really went down the crapper
User avatar #222 to #217 - tealcanaan (02/10/2014) [-]
That sucks bro. Sorry to hear that, you would figure they would want to assimilate into their new homes culture.
#224 to #222 - moggycore (02/10/2014) [-]
Yeah, but at least we got a new government now, a blue one. So hopefully they'll try to fix up some of these integrationproblems that the red government has been making.
User avatar #225 to #163 - thepastryistrue (02/10/2014) [-]
I suppose the problem most Europeans and especially Germans have with something like the Pledge Of Allegiance may come from the fact that there's no real seperation between nation and government over here.
Pledging allegiance to one's nation would therefor be considered as pledging allegiance to one's government. And that's something, that is mostly known from social bodies that have a certain liability to oppressive behaviour and social classification.
A pledge of allegiance towards a nation as an idea instead of a nation as a social body is something that certainly can be a wonderful thing. But considering what I said before, it's something that can be read as a symptom of a fascistic system (and the Third Reich, the Italian Fascism, the Franco Regime and communist Russia and so on all had their equivalents of pledges, oaths and rituals).
I don't say it's a bad thing. All I'm saying is, that a ritualistic form of expression of commitment towards a nation (both as an idea and as a social body) has to be taken very seriously and be viewed critically at all time.
It's not missing pride in our nation(s) that keeps us from pledging allegiance to our nation. It is indeed a deliberate decision to avoid this ritualistic form of expression of commitment. We burnt our fingers often enough with stuff like this.
User avatar #266 to #225 - tealcanaan (02/10/2014) [-]
I don't know, I think it is a good way instill unity and identity as Americans instead of their ethnic identities at a young age. After all that is what the U.S. is, a great mix of people form different backgrounds coming together as Americans.
#170 to #163 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
that...is ****** true

in my country every type of patriotism is classified as fascism by the yugo-nostalgic and leftist goverment and press (guess which country i live in...)
User avatar #172 to #170 - tealcanaan (02/10/2014) [-]
User avatar #14 to #11 - metalmind (02/10/2014) [-]
And the north koreans.
User avatar #8 - twentytwelve (02/10/2014) [-]
It wasn't bad until I realized I was pledging my allegiance to a country before I understood what exactly that meant, and some people just decide not to say it, while others turn into a Captain America/Hulk fusion and insult those who don't say it.
#113 - superintrovert (02/10/2014) [-]
This seriously isn't a thing in other countries? Damn, it's like we're being trained straight from the start to love and die for our country.

. . .Wait a minute. Are. . .are Americans the hive mind aliens from sci-fi movies? We have the best military, we're basically trained to love our country from a young age, so much so that we'd die to keep it safe and we have weaknesses to both guerrilla warfare and Will Smith.

My god we're the bad guys.
#131 to #113 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
Every country has a weakness towards guerrilla warfare..
#134 to #131 - superintrovert (02/10/2014) [-]
Yeah but it's that plus the other stuff I mentioned that makes us the aliens.
#89 - slimeywaffles (02/10/2014) [-]
I live overseas in Germany now, but thinking back on how I actually did that through elementary ... is so weird. I remember my teacher would yell at us if we weren't saying it out loud or something.   
It must seem like some Nazi 			****		 to people who grew up elsewhere
I live overseas in Germany now, but thinking back on how I actually did that through elementary ... is so weird. I remember my teacher would yell at us if we weren't saying it out loud or something.
It must seem like some Nazi **** to people who grew up elsewhere
User avatar #158 to #89 - flyingfeces (02/10/2014) [-]
Yeah to me that's pretty indoctrinating, that does explain why Americans are so patriotic and offended when you make a joke about your country. If you would talk trash about our politicians/goverment here in The Netherlands we would happily encourage it
#278 to #158 - John Cena (02/10/2014) [-]
I feel the same about it and I live here still. I won't lie I do take pride in my country but the politicians not even slightly. I'm all for fighting for your beliefs even if they differ from my own but I don't see how a law degree and false promises should entitle you to a position of power and the gross over payment and benefits senators and congressmen get. not to mention the added bonus of a kick back from big businesses if they're corrupt, which I'm sure plenty are.

tl;dr I agree, but I like my country not the politicians.
User avatar #309 to #89 - hammarhead (02/10/2014) [-]
cuase it kinda is.
#68 - boomboomsha (02/10/2014) [-]
You HAVE to put your right hand on your heart too.   
When I was in elementary school, I put my hand over my right pec, and the teacher told me it had to be exactly over my heart.   
When I asked why, she said &quot;The heart is the most important part of your body. You have to hold what's most dear to you when you make a pledge.&quot;   
Every single boy in the class moved their hands onto their balls.
You HAVE to put your right hand on your heart too.

When I was in elementary school, I put my hand over my right pec, and the teacher told me it had to be exactly over my heart.

When I asked why, she said "The heart is the most important part of your body. You have to hold what's most dear to you when you make a pledge."

Every single boy in the class moved their hands onto their balls.
User avatar #425 to #68 - dyllygaf (02/11/2014) [-]
Except you don't HAVE to do the pledge or put your hand over your heart, and any teacher that told you otherwise was wrong
User avatar #512 to #68 - bronybox (02/11/2014) [-]
Your heart is like, in the middle of your chest tilted diagonally from right to left.
It's almost impossibly to actually put your right hand over your heart unless you want to look like a retard. So. I mean. It's the thought that counts.
#378 to #68 - troxell (02/10/2014) [-]
I highly doubt this ever happened
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User avatar #81 - chuckbillrow (02/10/2014) [-]
the pledge of allegiance started after the civil war to "one nation indivisible" was the key phrase meant to discourage secessionist thinking, latter during the cold war the words "under god" were added between nation and indivisible as propaganda against the godless communists
#111 - bangala (02/10/2014) [-]
America recites an anthem in school. BRAINWASHING. EVIL. DUDE THATS JUST ****** UP

Candida recites an anthem in school. No one says anything about that.
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User avatar #123 to #122 - bangala (02/10/2014) [-]
same for America.
User avatar #324 to #111 - ecomp (02/10/2014) [-]
It's different in every school about the policies regarding the anthems, it's really up to the principals.
I was in 4 different elementary schools growing up. The first one I went to had us recite the national anthem only once a week on Mondays. The second one had us sing the national anthem and recite the lord's prayer every day. (It wasn't even a Catholic School) The third one had us listen to it every day, and the final one just didn't have it at all, except for big assemblies. My highschool didn't play it either. Keep in mind that the first two were in the same school district, and the rest were each in different ones.
User avatar #456 to #111 - rhetoricalfunny (02/11/2014) [-]
We sang the anthem once
at the beginning of each month

It was optional, we could stand sit, we could sing or not.
User avatar #117 to #111 - critality ONLINE (02/10/2014) [-]
I have never, ever had to sing the national anthem in school. the only time I even need to listen to it is once during school wide assemblies. Not sure what kinda crack you're smoking
User avatar #118 to #117 - bangala (02/10/2014) [-]
Then explain the others who sang the national anthem in school.
User avatar #120 to #118 - critality ONLINE (02/10/2014) [-]
All I know is I'm canadian, I've been in dozens of different schools from my mom moving around when I was younger, and I have never seen a single school or class do that.
#128 to #120 - huidaman (02/10/2014) [-]
In Ontario (Ottawa in particular, being the nation's capital and all...), we stood and sang the national anthem from J-K to grade 8.
Grade 9-12, we only had to stand for it.
You were scolded if you spoke to a friend during it, and if you were walking to class during the anthem, you were sent to the office.

Now University, last time I heard it was Canada Day.
User avatar #129 to #128 - critality ONLINE (02/10/2014) [-]
see, I'm in B.C. probably a little different here
User avatar #173 to #129 - habanaro (02/10/2014) [-]
Grew up in BC, and my school only ever sang the anthem (standing was considered polite, singing was optional) at assemblies. We never sang it in class.

On the other hand, my friend who went to another elementary school (rural) told me she had to sing it everyday and at assemblies they sang God Save the Queen.

I think it's a regional thing, I think.
#214 - muffinssnuffims (02/10/2014) [-]
Fun facts:

The Pledge of Allegiance was originally written by a socialist in 1892 in order to sell some magazines better, which worked very well. Poor guy REALLY got ripped off by capitalism there (sarcasm).

It was not officially adopted until 1942. That's right. FOURTY TWO. Which means that for the majority of the most prideful, unified years of our nation, there was no official pledge. Kinda shows how unnecessary it is.

Furthermore, if you didn't think it was creepy enough before, it was originally done with a Hitler style salute. Officially called the Bellamy Salute (named after the guy who wrote the pledge), many places around the world adopted this, not just us. But it's still creepy as **** , and I personally don't find the hand-over-heart salute to be much less creepy since it's the same idea.

I mean, it's a ******* flag. We did just great without this cultish nonsense for almost 2 centuries. I think it's safe to say it's at a minimum completely pointless, and at worst enforcing collectivism.

#280 to #214 - muffinssnuffims (02/10/2014) [-]
Btw I'm an Eagle Scout who no longer says it. If you're a scout and wondering how to get away with that: just explain that the BSA was founded a full 32 years before the pledge was adopted, and lots of those badass scouts from back then didn't say it.
User avatar #490 to #214 - civilizedwasteland (02/11/2014) [-]
Romans did that salute
User avatar #220 to #214 - butteryweiner (02/10/2014) [-]
greatings mighty sauceror
User avatar #279 to #214 - gatorade (02/10/2014) [-]
The bellamy salute has been turned into a salute with tons of social stigma built around it. It's very similar tot he swastika, they were made for peaceful, happy symbols, only to be turned into symbols of hate and disgust. Just like the word cult as well. A cult is just a small religion, every religion we know of started as a little cult that was probably seen as blasphemous.

#281 to #279 - muffinssnuffims (02/10/2014) [-]
It's the mindless collectivism I have a problem with. I really don't find the hand over the heart to be much better.
User avatar #290 to #281 - gatorade (02/10/2014) [-]
Ever read on the experiment that involved monkeys being placed into an enviroment with a banana in the middle, and if a monkey tried for the banana they would all be sprayed with water, resulting in them hating if a monkey tried for the banana. They then slowly replaced all the monkeys with the same repercussions if a monkey went for the banana. A new monkey wouldn't know why they would be attacked for a banana, but would just go along with it in fear of being attacked.

That's what the PoA has turned into. It saddens me since I love this damn country more than anything, I love what it was built on and what it stands for, but what the social ways of teenagers and naive adults has caused it to turn into a volatile, almost "Nazi partylike" ceremony.

Also, a sign of good faith, have a thumb, friend!
#292 to #290 - muffinssnuffims (02/10/2014) [-]
******* this. Thanks man. You articulated what I was trying to quite well.

Right back at you.
User avatar #169 - thegamegestapo (02/10/2014) [-]
In China we gathered for morning exercise at the start of each day and stood at attention for the flag raising. On special occasions we also sang the national anthem.

I haven't lived in China for years and I still hum that tune in the shower.
#334 - oxYKellark (02/10/2014) [-]
Personally i liked saying the pledge of allegiance. I thought it was a nice way to start the day. Also i could have sworn other countries also did this.

If not oh well.
#341 to #334 - noschool (02/10/2014) [-]
from what i heard Hitler really destroyed the strong sense of patriotism a lot of countries had in Europe, because they saw what overzealous patriotism brought, war, it left a bad taste in most nations.
User avatar #351 to #341 - oxYKellark (02/10/2014) [-]
Well that's too bad.
User avatar #353 to #334 - heraske (02/10/2014) [-]
Where I grew up, we sang O' Canada every morning, followed by a prayer done by a kid. So glad we're done with that horse **** in high school and can focus on the work.
#355 to #353 - oxYKellark (02/10/2014) [-]
Pffft like you enjoyed class work.
Pffft like you enjoyed class work.
User avatar #356 to #355 - heraske (02/10/2014) [-]
I don't enjoy it, but I'd rather do it in class than at home. More time for work and that means more money!
User avatar #441 - watshisface (02/11/2014) [-]
I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of 'Merica. And to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under Canada, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
User avatar #98 - nattyicesixtynine (02/10/2014) [-]
I have a lot of foreign students at my high school and they're all like wtf??? when we're standing and pledging in unison
User avatar #495 - breastestvillainy **User deleted account** (02/11/2014) [-]
I would say "I pledge allegiance, to the fag, of the united steaks of america"
People would not notice, because everyone would be saying something similar.

I loved being 10.
#348 - sirbonzaiatak (02/10/2014) [-]
god bless our founding fathers
User avatar #216 - butteryweiner (02/10/2014) [-]
The Whitest Kids U' Know - Pledge of Allegiance people even bitch when we wanted to stop saying "under god" I never said it
User avatar #227 to #216 - nightmaren (02/10/2014) [-]
That WKUK sketch is 10/10
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