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#17 - chexlemeneux (01/18/2014) [-]
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But what about the opposite?    
Let's say a young lady gets pregnant and she doesn't want to have the baby, but the father does. She can get an abortion without a problem and the man has not legal standing to say otherwise.    
But on the flip side (as we all know), if she gets pregnant and wants to keep it and he doesn't he is still "responsible for his choices" and must pay child support for the next 20 years even though he wasn't ready to be a father.    
In my opinion, if a woman can get an abortion without the fathers consent, then a father should be allowed to opt-out of being a dad. In doing so, he wouldn't be responsible for child support and other responsibilities, but he would also be barred (for life) from being a part of that child's life. He wouldn't be allowed any visitation or legal standing as a father (i.e. taxes, student loans, ect.) without the mother's written consent.
But what about the opposite?
Let's say a young lady gets pregnant and she doesn't want to have the baby, but the father does. She can get an abortion without a problem and the man has not legal standing to say otherwise.
But on the flip side (as we all know), if she gets pregnant and wants to keep it and he doesn't he is still "responsible for his choices" and must pay child support for the next 20 years even though he wasn't ready to be a father.
In my opinion, if a woman can get an abortion without the fathers consent, then a father should be allowed to opt-out of being a dad. In doing so, he wouldn't be responsible for child support and other responsibilities, but he would also be barred (for life) from being a part of that child's life. He wouldn't be allowed any visitation or legal standing as a father (i.e. taxes, student loans, ect.) without the mother's written consent.
User avatar #291 to #17 - capslockrage (01/18/2014) [-]
Or how about people take ******* responsibility for what they did, mistake or not.
If you don't want a kid then don't have unprotected sex.
User avatar #264 to #17 - kitchengypsy (01/18/2014) [-]
They actually can 'opt out'. They can terminate their parental rights to the child. It takes a bit to do, but they can do it.
#263 to #17 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
im sure half if not more of those thumbs are thanks to the chick in the gif.. ******* retards on the internet these days... like they where ever intelligent to begin with
#247 to #17 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
so basically, everybody gets to be irresponsible about reproduction with no legal ramifications?
User avatar #228 to #17 - hoponthefeelstrain (01/18/2014) [-]
It's called signing over your parental rights, you don't have to pay child support and you never have to look at the kid.

If you're going to complain about something you should at least know all the details... Oh btw, scientist are coming really close to creating a male birth control pill, so there's that.
User avatar #225 to #17 - sairajayn (01/18/2014) [-]
I full heartily agree to this and wish my ex would opt out instead of messing our son around seeing him when he is told to by his nan, not really wanting to or anything. I just won't ruin,my relationship with my son by stopping him. :/
User avatar #200 to #17 - nigeltheoutlaw (01/18/2014) [-]
I agree entirely with this. I agree that it's "woman's body, woman's choice", but the man loses all choice in the matter because of it, and he's expected to support a child that he doesn't want to have. I think that if the mother wants to abort and the dad doesn't, she should have to carry it to term and give it to the father as well.
User avatar #117 to #17 - darkoblivion (01/18/2014) [-]
someone told me a story about their friend once, dude dropped out of college to get a job and save up for a house after learning he got his girl pregnant. some time into this the girl goes to see her mom and gets an abortion without the guys knowledge. as the story goes he tried to attack the bitch and the cop that was called to handle the situation didn't even want to arrest him after he heard why he was going after the girl, but of course he was arrested all the same. violence aside, i just think this goes to show that both sides need to have a say and be held responsible at all times.
#176 to #117 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
This just goes to show that the girl should have said something to her boyfriend, be it before or after the abortion... seriously, that was just a dick move
User avatar #113 to #17 - iridium (01/18/2014) [-]
Let's be honest though: how many relationships are there going to be where the man wants the kid and the woman doesn't?
#123 to #113 - turdofdoom (01/18/2014) [-]
like...many ?
User avatar #129 to #123 - iridium (01/18/2014) [-]
There aren't many situations though where the man would want the kid and the woman would dislike having it so much that she would resort to an abortion. Usually, it's a matter of both of them wanting either way, or the man not wanting the kid while she does want it or at least doesn't want to go through an abortion.

The situation does not occur very often by comparison, and if it does, I imagine it happening more often in more backwater places where they feel abortion should be outlawed in general. Simply put, there's very few instances where the man actually would feel wronged by the abortion.

The reason I bring it up at all, is because it seems to me like the only reason why anyone would bring it up is to try to point out a double standard as though it happens all the time. I have never heard a single guy in real life claim he was wronged by a woman getting an abortion of his child, and only read about it in an article once on a headline. It's such an isolated incident.
User avatar #159 to #129 - approval (01/18/2014) [-]
2 of my good friends had this happen. They found out their girl was pregnant and both tried to convince them to keep the baby. It was sad to see how depressed they got when the girls got an abortion. It happens more often than you might think.
#149 to #129 - kanedam ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
and i mean personally. not news or stuff, but really personally.
while only knowing one case of abortion where the guy convinced the girl.
and some cases in wich both simply thought it would be the best.
#148 to #129 - kanedam ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
i know at least 4 cases in wich the man wanted the baby but the woman didnt...
User avatar #310 to #148 - iridium (01/18/2014) [-]
I guess maybe it was the crowd I've been around, because I have never heard of such a thing. Admittedly, I may just be focused on something that doesn't get much attention either.

Okay then, I'll accept it. I'm not trying to argue as though "It doesn't happen therefore you're wrong."
User avatar #130 to #129 - iridium (01/18/2014) [-]
And for the record, I'm not saying I disagree either.
User avatar #111 to #17 - zeeksmab (01/18/2014) [-]
awesome point OP, i love seeing things from diffrent perspectives like that. you forgot one thing. The baby isnt isnt living in the mans uterus, tough **** , find a new woman who will have a baby for you.
User avatar #268 to #111 - sanguinesolitude (01/18/2014) [-]
Yeah you are right, it isnt a living thing in the man's uterus. And if he doesnt want it to be there, then why should he have to pay for the woman's choice?
User avatar #166 to #111 - nevrit (01/18/2014) [-]
While you have a valid point, you fail to see what chex was saying. If a woman can freely say I don't want your child and abort it on a whim, then she shouldn't be able to force the father into financial ruin either sheerly because he doesn't want to be a part of the childs life. That's just some double standards ******** . It takes two to tango and both parties are responsible for the act of sex, not just the man.
User avatar #101 to #17 - phoenix grinder (01/18/2014) [-]
heavy
#100 to #17 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
Well the woman is the one who tears 3 inches bearing the child... Honestly, I think it's more of the woman's decision if she should have the child or not... The child is always more the mother's than the dad's. **** , the main difference between women and men is the fact that women have the brains and the body to take care of the baby. That's the way it's always been, really.
User avatar #136 to #100 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
thats when you get the choice, killing a wanted child or being in pain you wont remember
#180 to #136 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
You've never even met a person who's been through childbirth, have you?
Just ask your mom if she remembers your childbirth (and that of any brothers/sisters) and she'll say "yes, and it hurt like hell"

check comment #97, of mrlaviano, he explains why women often choose for abortion instead of childbirth
User avatar #99 to #17 - Endofzeeworld (01/18/2014) [-]
I told this to my father. He said, and I quote: "Yes son, you have one power: Where you put it. Use this power wisely."
User avatar #245 to #171 - metacobalion ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
This is the coolest Funnyjunk gif I have ever seen
#275 to #272 - metacobalion ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
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#276 to #275 - sanguinesolitude (01/18/2014) [-]
and of course this classic.   
 most of my thumbs gifs arent green
and of course this classic.
most of my thumbs gifs arent green
#278 to #276 - metacobalion ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
I only have green thumb gifs needin some reds
I only have green thumb gifs needin some reds
#280 to #279 - metacobalion ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
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#281 to #280 - sanguinesolitude (01/18/2014) [-]
also part of my issue was that i have multiple thumbs up and down, but most are actual thumbs, not green or red ones
also part of my issue was that i have multiple thumbs up and down, but most are actual thumbs, not green or red ones
#282 to #281 - metacobalion ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
Same problem here. I have to learn how to edit gifs I have lots of ideas for funnyjunk thumbs  Last funnyjunk relevant gif I have
Same problem here. I have to learn how to edit gifs I have lots of ideas for funnyjunk thumbs Last funnyjunk relevant gif I have
User avatar #154 to #99 - chexlemeneux (01/18/2014) [-]
Your father sounds like a very wise man.
User avatar #88 to #17 - loonquawl (01/18/2014) [-]
I think the issue with the whole men being ale to opt out of being a dad thing is that from the moment that law passed there'd just be a **** ton of fatherless kids all over the country. After that, even more women would want to or have to get abortions just because they know they'd end up alone with that kid on welfare.
User avatar #158 to #88 - approval (01/18/2014) [-]
Not at all. One could say that it has to happen in a certain time frame during the pregnancy. Like the Father has a choice of a few weeks or up to a week before a woman can't have an abortion anymore.
#67 to #17 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
Its not the man's body. He doesn't have to go through morning sickness or any associated risks that come with pregnancy. Ultimately its the woman's body and her choice whether she wants a parasite growing inside her for nine months. That is why the man doesn't get a choice, because he doesn't have to carry it.
#142 to #67 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
If you seriously use the term parasite for your baby you shouldn't have one. And you have to understand the consequenses of men not also haivng a choice. You are possibly ruining another humans life for years, and it's the things men has to put up with that's wrong when the woman chooses to keep it. It's not however, wrong that she has a choice. That needs to be kept.
User avatar #134 to #67 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
technically the child is a part of him
User avatar #128 to #67 - skaffanl (01/18/2014) [-]
Yes but if a man doesn't get that choice he should at least be given the opportunity to opt-out of being a dad.
#42 to #17 - xcoreyx (01/18/2014) [-]
Yeah seriously why do women not need the father's consent to have an abortion? It's like, females may be the ones who carry the child, but it's equally his child. His genetic material that has the potential of becoming a ******* human being, and she can just kill it no matter what he says? Total ******** .
#265 to #42 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
Because it is the woman's ******* body, not the man's.
I understand that the developing feotus is equally his, however he does not have equal right over the woman's body. That is for her, and her alone, to decide.
#223 to #42 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
Well if the guy really hates the girl he can just not give his consent for her to have an abortion. Then leave her to raise the child alone.
User avatar #211 to #42 - mutzaki (01/18/2014) [-]
I don't think it's reasonable to force a woman to remain pregnant and give birth, and therefore risk her health and even in some cases, her life. Pregnancy and birth usually isn't harmful, but there's always a chance, and vaginal tearing during birth is very likely. Plus, pregnancy can be a huge, huge hassle. If it were possible for the woman to let the man carry the child in his man-uterus, then it wouldn't be a problem. I somewhat agree, yet I somewhat don't, as I don't consider a fetus to be at all of equal value to a child, and therefore if a woman doesn't want it, she shouldn't have to suffer.

However, agreements should be available where the mother gets to ask the father for a certain amount of money to go through with it, and then allow her to not be part of the child's life.

If I got a girl pregnant and I wanted to go through with it and raise the child on my own, for whatever reason, I'd still be 100 % supportive if the mother opposed, and I would instead focus on getting someone, who also wanted a baby, pregnant. I think it comes down to the same thing as the abortion debate in general--whether or not you consider an early-stage fetus to be of value. If you see it as something precious and already consider it your child, then sure, you're probably going to want to keep it, but I think very differently about it.
#162 to #42 - junahi (01/18/2014) [-]
Considering how much of a hassle and life changer giving birth and being pregos is, I think she should be able to decide it herself. + the pain. + being accident.
User avatar #47 to #42 - toosexyforyou (01/18/2014) [-]
I can think of 2 big reasons. 1. Rape. She might not want to admit that she was raped and the only way for her to not bare the child of a rapist would be to abort it even without his consent. 2. There is a chance that the woman could die while giving birth.
#48 to #47 - xcoreyx (01/18/2014) [-]
Well of course if it's rape then he would have no right to tell her what to do with it. And there's a chance you could die while walking down the street in the middle of the day too, but you still do it. It's not like dying in childbirth is the norm.
User avatar #52 to #48 - toosexyforyou (01/18/2014) [-]
In this universe where the woman needs the father's consent to have an abortion, the rapist would be the father and he could not give her consent to have an abortion. Do you understand what I am saying here? Maybe I am not making myself clear about this. The woman does not want to bare the child of a rapist, the father is a rapist, and she does not want to tell everyone that he is a rapist. Since she does not tell people that he raped her, he is still able to force her to give birth to his child.

How about we compare it to something a bit more painful, like taking a **** after eating really spicy food. Imagine this situation: You are a woman and you know that in 9 months you will have to take a painfully spicy **** . You do not want to do this because it hurts and has a chance to kill you. The man who caused this to happen to you, refuses to let you prevent this **** from happening because he wants to keep the **** even though you don't but the process of taking that **** has 0% chance of death or pain to the man.
#203 to #52 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
Oh, for **** sake, like it would be hard to define another paragraph in the law that makes rape exception from "fathers consent". Thats precisely the thing for which we have ******* courts.
He's got a valid point, stop nitpicking it when there's an obvious solution to it.
User avatar #135 to #52 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
maybe you should practice safe sex if you dont wanna have children, its unfair to kill of a wanted child simply cause you dont wanna be in pain though
User avatar #137 to #135 - toosexyforyou (01/18/2014) [-]
There's a reason it's called an "accident." I disagree, I think it is fair.
User avatar #138 to #137 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
if youre that stupid youre not cut out to be a parent anyway i suppose
User avatar #139 to #138 - toosexyforyou (01/18/2014) [-]
Yeah I suppose that when a condom breaks, the person wearing that condom is very stupid. How could he not know that the condom would break? What an idiot. I am being sarcastic. I hope you understand how ridiculous that sounds.
User avatar #141 to #139 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
a condom wont break easily, so either youve mistreated it like an idiot, or youve bought a cheap knock off condom like an idiot.
User avatar #143 to #141 - toosexyforyou (01/18/2014) [-]
Dear lord... your logic is unquestionable. You are truly a master of wits, congratulations on the victory. Sarcasm, again, just in case you didn't catch that, you're pretty stupid. I will most likely not respond to your next message, please do not get offended.
#153 to #143 - cabbagemayhem (01/18/2014) [-]
He's right and you're wrong. You're also an asshole and shouldn't call anyone stupid again.
User avatar #145 to #143 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
im guessin you dont have much contact with condoms then since you believe they break and that people get pregnany from this regularly. this happening is like one in a million, and thus its a special case, and then its even more special cause the mother wants the abortion while the dad wants to keep it. its so rare in fact that you shouldnt make up rules or philosofies around it
#168 to #145 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
Nice job pulling that 'one in a million' out of your ass.
Typical use of a condom has an 82 to 90% chance to prevent pregnancy.
It's not at all uncommon for a couple who used a condom to still conceive a baby.
User avatar #169 to #168 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
except it is.
its like 99% proof, and then the chance for the girl to get pregnant is pretty scarce too
User avatar #177 to #169 - playerdous (01/18/2014) [-]
Typical use failure rate: 18%.


User avatar #178 to #177 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
you break 1 in 5 condoms you use? the **** are you doing in bed bro
User avatar #183 to #179 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
typical idiot not using it right then i suppose, where did they get this information anyway? did they ask around "hey dude does your condoms work right? usually man, but every fifth time the gf gets preggo"
#205 to #183 - nandaaz (01/18/2014) [-]
Actually, there are plenty of studies done by inviting some random people and letting them have sex in front of cameras/the researchers
#173 to #169 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
You're retarded. I'm pretty sure you've never even seen/used protection in your entire life, and if you keep that stupid **** up you won't for the rest of your life.

Like anon said, condoms have somewhere between 80-95% chance of preventing pregnancy, depending on the brand and material, and 'the pill" has 99% chance of preventing pregnancy.

Don't believe us? Ask an actual doctor, or read what's on the box of condoms instead of pulling statistics out of your ass
#182 to #173 - noteventrying (01/18/2014) [-]
no, condoms generally have a 98% effectiveness and even this statistic is slightly wrong due to people who don't use them correctly

www.netdoctor.co.uk/sex_relationships/facts/condoms.htm
User avatar #187 to #182 - playerdous (01/18/2014) [-]
18% failure rate.
User avatar #174 to #173 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
you sure youre using it right? if no sperm gets out of it she aint getting pregnant, if youre so wild you break it or it comes off you need to take it easier in bed mate
#181 to #174 - anonymous (01/18/2014) [-]
And again, you didn't ask a real doctor or read the ******* packaging. Go pick up a random box of condoms and read what's on the piece of paper inside, it will tell you that condoms will fail more than you think
User avatar #186 to #181 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
if you break them or use me wrong they will fail, otherwise youre pretty safe
#207 to #186 - nandaaz (01/18/2014) [-]
I don't think anon was using you wrong, admiralen....
Maybe you should start proof-reading your comments
User avatar #214 to #207 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
reply to #213
didnt mean to sound like an asshole, just meant i dont give enough of a crap about anon to clean up my spelling for him.
and i laughed when i saw the error
User avatar #209 to #207 - admiralen ONLINE (01/18/2014) [-]
if i cared enough about spelling i might, but ive found only idiots tend to focus more on the spelling than the content
#213 to #209 - nandaaz (01/18/2014) [-]
Only reason I said something about your spelling was because it was a funny mistake, like anon is using you as a condo- HEY! I HAVE AN IDEA! If we just use you our condoms won't break so often!
#53 to #52 - xcoreyx (01/18/2014) [-]
You only need parental consent to do anything if you're under 18, in which case you shouldn't be having sex anyways (except in countries where the legal age is lower). I was agreeing with you on the first one, a man should not be able to force a woman to have a child that was the cause of rape.

And that's not really a valid analogy, because no one wants to keep a **** . It's his child too, and if the sex was consensual she knew the risks just as well as he did. It's like if you buy a house and both your names are on the paperwork, one of you can't make a decision to sell the house without the other's consent.

User avatar #97 to #53 - mrlaviano (01/18/2014) [-]
You probably shouldn't compare buying a horse to giving birth.

But to add points against your argument. Its the females body that is going to affected by the birthing, not the male.
- Bloodshot eyes, facial bruising and muscle/joint pain will occur after birthing.
- Stretch marks that will NEVER FADE COMPLETELY. These can be red/purple/pearly white for the rest of their lives.
- Breast pain due to engorgement , cracked nipples. (requires cream and antibiotics)
- Fevers, chills, inflammation, difficulty passing urine, disgusting vaginal odor, lack of appetite, hot flashes, night sweats, and dry skin which could be an indication of an infection or circulation problem.
- Decreased libido, lack of vaginal lubrication
- Wild mood swings, which can lead to post-partum depression (thoughts of suicide, insomnia, panic attacks.) Which can last up to 12 months.
- Urinating/ ******** can vary from painful to uncomfortable. Two weeks of bleeding with small clots, then later bloody discharges.
- No sex for weeks highly recommended to avoid any problems.
- Pelvic bone injuries that can occur, takes months to get better.
- And of course the possibility of death.
(correct me if i'm wrong on any of these)

But i can see your point of view. I would be devastated if i wanted to keep the baby and she wants to get it aborted. But the fact that she has to go through all of the above, just so i could have a child is just selfish. I would never want someone to go through that just for another's desires.
#106 to #97 - ennemi (01/18/2014) [-]
plus the time she won't be able to work and potential change of habit in her life.

It's suck for us that the women is the only one who decide if she's gonna have the child or not. But the alternative (forcing an human to go through a ******** of physical/mental/financial pain) is unacceptable imho.
User avatar #56 to #53 - toosexyforyou (01/18/2014) [-]
Alright, I have no idea how you misunderstood me this badly. Re-read what I wrote except this time, you should know that when I say "father" I mean the father of the baby not the father of woman having the baby. And you also completely missed my point somehow which is this: In this universe, society cannot stop a man from forcing a woman to have a child that was the cause of rape because the woman is not admitting to being raped.

First of all, the analogy is completely valid because even though it's **** instead of a baby, the point is that the woman doesn't want it, the man wants it, and the woman bares 100% of the risk of injury. Secondly, having sex and co-signing for a house are completely different. I honestly cannot even comprehend how someone could see the two as being similar unless you're so young and innocent that you don't realize how much casual sex goes on in the world.
User avatar #28 to #17 - roflsaucer (01/18/2014) [-]
The only reason what you're saying sounds weird to me is because you're essentially saying you need to pay to be a dad.

Like child support is the "entry fee" for being a part of the kids life.
User avatar #23 to #17 - threeeighteen (01/18/2014) [-]
Do you have sauce for this gif? Her reaction is basically mine when trying to talk to my family. I'm not a hot female though.
User avatar #32 to #23 - nyxeos (01/18/2014) [-]
I know your pain. My mom will ask me what I did, and on those few days when I actually have a story to tell, I get half way through before she breaks in mid-sentence to ask something completely unrelated, often not even to me.
#24 to #23 - chexlemeneux (01/18/2014) [-]
Unfortunately, I don't have the slightest idea where this is from. .
Unfortunately, I don't have the slightest idea where this is from. .
User avatar #20 to #17 - ewood (01/18/2014) [-]
You're absolutly right
also, accidnents always happens..
User avatar #18 to #17 - Maroon (01/18/2014) [-]
That's really a non-issue. You can't force a woman to carry your child, that's absurd.
User avatar #19 to #18 - namnori (01/18/2014) [-]
You shouldn't be able to force a guy to pay for something he doesn't want
User avatar #21 to #19 - Maroon (01/18/2014) [-]
I never said you should. But his first point was that a man should be able to stop a woman from aborting the child. That's the only part I addressed.
#22 to #21 - chexlemeneux (01/18/2014) [-]
Quit trying to twist 						****					.  I'm not saying we should force women to carry.    
My point is, I don't think you can force a man to pay child support for a child he doesn't want because you can't force a woman to carry a child that she doesn't want.
Quit trying to twist **** . I'm not saying we should force women to carry.
My point is, I don't think you can force a man to pay child support for a child he doesn't want because you can't force a woman to carry a child that she doesn't want.
User avatar #35 to #22 - Maroon (01/18/2014) [-]
My point is you started arguing a topic I never mentioned.
#70 to #35 - yologdog (01/18/2014) [-]
But it was already part of the discussion before you decided to not mention it therefore still a plausible subject matter.
User avatar #306 to #70 - Maroon (01/18/2014) [-]
I decided not to mention it because I AGREE WITH THAT POINT.
#69 to #35 - justapubbie (01/18/2014) [-]
Dude, I have no idea why FJ apparently hates you right now. You're not rude or offensive, and it's completely true that you never offered any opinion on the subject of child support.
User avatar #307 to #69 - Maroon (01/18/2014) [-]
It's to be expected when everyone is illiterate and incapable of thinking for themselves.
#74 to #69 - justapubbie (01/18/2014) [-]
Wait, I see the issue. chexlameneux never brought up the vague possibility of forcing the woman to carry. xcoreyx did, which is why I got confused reading through this, but he only did after your replies. So while it's true he's arguing a topic you didn't mention, you're also arguing a point that he never made. ****** getting confusing.

chexlameneux's first point wasn't saying that women should be forced to carry at all, he merely bringing up the fact that they can make a choice while men cannot.
User avatar #232 to #74 - anothersadpotato (01/18/2014) [-]
just stop
#309 to #232 - justapubbie (01/18/2014) [-]
Stop what. Technically I was arguing against him this time, I was on chexlemeneux's side. Seriously, what is the issue?
User avatar #313 to #309 - anothersadpotato (01/18/2014) [-]
just stop talking
you're trying to evaluate an argument, and pointing out "well he did this" and "but this guy said that", just shut up.
#316 to #313 - justapubbie (01/19/2014) [-]
I was confused, then I corrected myself and tried to explain why I was confused. Explaining things is generally good when the argument is based upon a misunderstanding. Stop telling me to stop.
User avatar #320 to #316 - anothersadpotato (01/19/2014) [-]
no just shut the **** up, please.
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