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Title. lets enjoy the fact the person who posted this named himself unsaturated mangravy. I think that if they make : certian illegal, they should matte men des

lets enjoy the fact the person who posted this named himself unsaturated mangravy

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I think that if they make : certian illegal, they should matte men deserting
women who they got pregnant illegal as well. Because if a woman can' t
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#17 - chexlemeneux
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But what about the opposite?    
Let's say a young lady gets pregnant and she doesn't want to have the baby, but the father does. She can get an abortion without a problem and the man has not legal standing to say otherwise.    
But on the flip side (as we all know), if she gets pregnant and wants to keep it and he doesn't he is still "responsible for his choices" and must pay child support for the next 20 years even though he wasn't ready to be a father.    
In my opinion, if a woman can get an abortion without the fathers consent, then a father should be allowed to opt-out of being a dad. In doing so, he wouldn't be responsible for child support and other responsibilities, but he would also be barred (for life) from being a part of that child's life. He wouldn't be allowed any visitation or legal standing as a father (i.e. taxes, student loans, ect.) without the mother's written consent.
But what about the opposite?
Let's say a young lady gets pregnant and she doesn't want to have the baby, but the father does. She can get an abortion without a problem and the man has not legal standing to say otherwise.
But on the flip side (as we all know), if she gets pregnant and wants to keep it and he doesn't he is still "responsible for his choices" and must pay child support for the next 20 years even though he wasn't ready to be a father.
In my opinion, if a woman can get an abortion without the fathers consent, then a father should be allowed to opt-out of being a dad. In doing so, he wouldn't be responsible for child support and other responsibilities, but he would also be barred (for life) from being a part of that child's life. He wouldn't be allowed any visitation or legal standing as a father (i.e. taxes, student loans, ect.) without the mother's written consent.
User avatar #23 to #17 - threeeighteen
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Do you have sauce for this gif? Her reaction is basically mine when trying to talk to my family. I'm not a hot female though.
#24 to #23 - chexlemeneux
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Unfortunately, I don't have the slightest idea where this is from. .
Unfortunately, I don't have the slightest idea where this is from. .
#161 to #23 - anon id: d221fcb9
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User avatar #32 to #23 - nyxeos
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I know your pain. My mom will ask me what I did, and on those few days when I actually have a story to tell, I get half way through before she breaks in mid-sentence to ask something completely unrelated, often not even to me.
User avatar #28 to #17 - roflsaucer
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The only reason what you're saying sounds weird to me is because you're essentially saying you need to pay to be a dad.

Like child support is the "entry fee" for being a part of the kids life.
#67 to #17 - anon id: 69e18fb9
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Its not the man's body. He doesn't have to go through morning sickness or any associated risks that come with pregnancy. Ultimately its the woman's body and her choice whether she wants a parasite growing inside her for nine months. That is why the man doesn't get a choice, because he doesn't have to carry it.
User avatar #134 to #67 - admiralen
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technically the child is a part of him
User avatar #128 to #67 - skaffanl
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Yes but if a man doesn't get that choice he should at least be given the opportunity to opt-out of being a dad.
#142 to #67 - anon id: 1767a483
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If you seriously use the term parasite for your baby you shouldn't have one. And you have to understand the consequenses of men not also haivng a choice. You are possibly ruining another humans life for years, and it's the things men has to put up with that's wrong when the woman chooses to keep it. It's not however, wrong that she has a choice. That needs to be kept.
#100 to #17 - anon id: 1cbf2a2a
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Well the woman is the one who tears 3 inches bearing the child... Honestly, I think it's more of the woman's decision if she should have the child or not... The child is always more the mother's than the dad's. ****, the main difference between women and men is the fact that women have the brains and the body to take care of the baby. That's the way it's always been, really.
User avatar #136 to #100 - admiralen
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thats when you get the choice, killing a wanted child or being in pain you wont remember
#180 to #136 - anon id: c96660d0
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You've never even met a person who's been through childbirth, have you?
Just ask your mom if she remembers your childbirth (and that of any brothers/sisters) and she'll say "yes, and it hurt like hell"

check comment #97, of mrlaviano, he explains why women often choose for abortion instead of childbirth
User avatar #101 to #17 - phoenix grinder
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heavy
User avatar #117 to #17 - darkoblivion
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someone told me a story about their friend once, dude dropped out of college to get a job and save up for a house after learning he got his girl pregnant. some time into this the girl goes to see her mom and gets an abortion without the guys knowledge. as the story goes he tried to attack the bitch and the cop that was called to handle the situation didn't even want to arrest him after he heard why he was going after the girl, but of course he was arrested all the same. violence aside, i just think this goes to show that both sides need to have a say and be held responsible at all times.
#176 to #117 - anon id: c96660d0
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This just goes to show that the girl should have said something to her boyfriend, be it before or after the abortion... seriously, that was just a dick move
User avatar #111 to #17 - zeeksmab
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awesome point OP, i love seeing things from diffrent perspectives like that. you forgot one thing. The baby isnt isnt living in the mans uterus, tough ****, find a new woman who will have a baby for you.
User avatar #166 to #111 - nevrit
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While you have a valid point, you fail to see what chex was saying. If a woman can freely say I don't want your child and abort it on a whim, then she shouldn't be able to force the father into financial ruin either sheerly because he doesn't want to be a part of the childs life. That's just some double standards ********. It takes two to tango and both parties are responsible for the act of sex, not just the man.
User avatar #268 to #111 - sanguinesolitude
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Yeah you are right, it isnt a living thing in the man's uterus. And if he doesnt want it to be there, then why should he have to pay for the woman's choice?
User avatar #228 to #17 - hoponthefeelstrain
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It's called signing over your parental rights, you don't have to pay child support and you never have to look at the kid.

If you're going to complain about something you should at least know all the details... Oh btw, scientist are coming really close to creating a male birth control pill, so there's that.
#247 to #17 - anon id: d61fce95
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so basically, everybody gets to be irresponsible about reproduction with no legal ramifications?
#263 to #17 - anon id: bfd364f6
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im sure half if not more of those thumbs are thanks to the chick in the gif.. ******* retards on the internet these days... like they where ever intelligent to begin with
User avatar #264 to #17 - kitchengypsy
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They actually can 'opt out'. They can terminate their parental rights to the child. It takes a bit to do, but they can do it.
User avatar #291 to #17 - capslockrage
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Or how about people take ******* responsibility for what they did, mistake or not.
If you don't want a kid then don't have unprotected sex.
User avatar #88 to #17 - loonquawl
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I think the issue with the whole men being ale to opt out of being a dad thing is that from the moment that law passed there'd just be a **** ton of fatherless kids all over the country. After that, even more women would want to or have to get abortions just because they know they'd end up alone with that kid on welfare.
User avatar #158 to #88 - approval
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Not at all. One could say that it has to happen in a certain time frame during the pregnancy. Like the Father has a choice of a few weeks or up to a week before a woman can't have an abortion anymore.
User avatar #99 to #17 - Endofzeeworld
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I told this to my father. He said, and I quote: "Yes son, you have one power: Where you put it. Use this power wisely."
#171 to #99 - wizardfist
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User avatar #245 to #171 - metacobalion
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This is the coolest Funnyjunk gif I have ever seen
#272 to #245 - sanguinesolitude
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#275 to #272 - metacobalion
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#276 to #275 - sanguinesolitude
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and of course this classic.   
 most of my thumbs gifs arent green
and of course this classic.
most of my thumbs gifs arent green
#278 to #276 - metacobalion
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I only have green thumb gifs needin some reds
I only have green thumb gifs needin some reds
#279 to #278 - sanguinesolitude
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#281 to #280 - sanguinesolitude
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also part of my issue was that i have multiple thumbs up and down, but most are actual thumbs, not green or red ones
also part of my issue was that i have multiple thumbs up and down, but most are actual thumbs, not green or red ones
#282 to #281 - metacobalion
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Same problem here. I have to learn how to edit gifs I have lots of ideas for funnyjunk thumbs  Last funnyjunk relevant gif I have
Same problem here. I have to learn how to edit gifs I have lots of ideas for funnyjunk thumbs Last funnyjunk relevant gif I have
#283 to #282 - sanguinesolitude
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User avatar #154 to #99 - chexlemeneux
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Your father sounds like a very wise man.
User avatar #20 to #17 - ewood
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You're absolutly right
also, accidnents always happens..
User avatar #113 to #17 - iridium
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Let's be honest though: how many relationships are there going to be where the man wants the kid and the woman doesn't?
#123 to #113 - turdofdoom
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like...many ?
User avatar #129 to #123 - iridium
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There aren't many situations though where the man would want the kid and the woman would dislike having it so much that she would resort to an abortion. Usually, it's a matter of both of them wanting either way, or the man not wanting the kid while she does want it or at least doesn't want to go through an abortion.

The situation does not occur very often by comparison, and if it does, I imagine it happening more often in more backwater places where they feel abortion should be outlawed in general. Simply put, there's very few instances where the man actually would feel wronged by the abortion.

The reason I bring it up at all, is because it seems to me like the only reason why anyone would bring it up is to try to point out a double standard as though it happens all the time. I have never heard a single guy in real life claim he was wronged by a woman getting an abortion of his child, and only read about it in an article once on a headline. It's such an isolated incident.
User avatar #159 to #129 - approval
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2 of my good friends had this happen. They found out their girl was pregnant and both tried to convince them to keep the baby. It was sad to see how depressed they got when the girls got an abortion. It happens more often than you might think.
#149 to #129 - kanedam
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and i mean personally. not news or stuff, but really personally.
while only knowing one case of abortion where the guy convinced the girl.
and some cases in wich both simply thought it would be the best.
#148 to #129 - kanedam
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i know at least 4 cases in wich the man wanted the baby but the woman didnt...
User avatar #310 to #148 - iridium
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I guess maybe it was the crowd I've been around, because I have never heard of such a thing. Admittedly, I may just be focused on something that doesn't get much attention either.

Okay then, I'll accept it. I'm not trying to argue as though "It doesn't happen therefore you're wrong."
User avatar #130 to #129 - iridium
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And for the record, I'm not saying I disagree either.
User avatar #225 to #17 - sairajayn
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I full heartily agree to this and wish my ex would opt out instead of messing our son around seeing him when he is told to by his nan, not really wanting to or anything. I just won't ruin,my relationship with my son by stopping him. :/
User avatar #18 to #17 - Maroon
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That's really a non-issue. You can't force a woman to carry your child, that's absurd.
User avatar #19 to #18 - namnori
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You shouldn't be able to force a guy to pay for something he doesn't want
User avatar #21 to #19 - Maroon
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I never said you should. But his first point was that a man should be able to stop a woman from aborting the child. That's the only part I addressed.
#22 to #21 - chexlemeneux
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Quit trying to twist ****.  I'm not saying we should force women to carry.    
My point is, I don't think you can force a man to pay child support for a child he doesn't want because you can't force a woman to carry a child that she doesn't want.
Quit trying to twist ****. I'm not saying we should force women to carry.
My point is, I don't think you can force a man to pay child support for a child he doesn't want because you can't force a woman to carry a child that she doesn't want.
User avatar #35 to #22 - Maroon
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My point is you started arguing a topic I never mentioned.
#70 to #35 - yologdog
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But it was already part of the discussion before you decided to not mention it therefore still a plausible subject matter.
User avatar #306 to #70 - Maroon
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I decided not to mention it because I AGREE WITH THAT POINT.
#69 to #35 - justapubbie
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Dude, I have no idea why FJ apparently hates you right now. You're not rude or offensive, and it's completely true that you never offered any opinion on the subject of child support.
User avatar #307 to #69 - Maroon
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It's to be expected when everyone is illiterate and incapable of thinking for themselves.
#74 to #69 - justapubbie
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Wait, I see the issue. chexlameneux never brought up the vague possibility of forcing the woman to carry. xcoreyx did, which is why I got confused reading through this, but he only did after your replies. So while it's true he's arguing a topic you didn't mention, you're also arguing a point that he never made. ****** getting confusing.

chexlameneux's first point wasn't saying that women should be forced to carry at all, he merely bringing up the fact that they can make a choice while men cannot.
User avatar #232 to #74 - anothersadpotato
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just stop
#309 to #232 - justapubbie
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Stop what. Technically I was arguing against him this time, I was on chexlemeneux's side. Seriously, what is the issue?
User avatar #313 to #309 - anothersadpotato
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just stop talking
you're trying to evaluate an argument, and pointing out "well he did this" and "but this guy said that", just shut up.
#316 to #313 - justapubbie
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I was confused, then I corrected myself and tried to explain why I was confused. Explaining things is generally good when the argument is based upon a misunderstanding. Stop telling me to stop.
User avatar #320 to #316 - anothersadpotato
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no just shut the **** up, please.
User avatar #200 to #17 - nigeltheoutlaw
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I agree entirely with this. I agree that it's "woman's body, woman's choice", but the man loses all choice in the matter because of it, and he's expected to support a child that he doesn't want to have. I think that if the mother wants to abort and the dad doesn't, she should have to carry it to term and give it to the father as well.
#42 to #17 - xcoreyx
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Yeah seriously why do women not need the father's consent to have an abortion? It's like, females may be the ones who carry the child, but it's equally his child. His genetic material that has the potential of becoming a ******* human being, and she can just kill it no matter what he says? Total ********.
User avatar #47 to #42 - toosexyforyou
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I can think of 2 big reasons. 1. Rape. She might not want to admit that she was raped and the only way for her to not bare the child of a rapist would be to abort it even without his consent. 2. There is a chance that the woman could die while giving birth.
#48 to #47 - xcoreyx
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Well of course if it's rape then he would have no right to tell her what to do with it. And there's a chance you could die while walking down the street in the middle of the day too, but you still do it. It's not like dying in childbirth is the norm.
User avatar #52 to #48 - toosexyforyou
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In this universe where the woman needs the father's consent to have an abortion, the rapist would be the father and he could not give her consent to have an abortion. Do you understand what I am saying here? Maybe I am not making myself clear about this. The woman does not want to bare the child of a rapist, the father is a rapist, and she does not want to tell everyone that he is a rapist. Since she does not tell people that he raped her, he is still able to force her to give birth to his child.

How about we compare it to something a bit more painful, like taking a **** after eating really spicy food. Imagine this situation: You are a woman and you know that in 9 months you will have to take a painfully spicy ****. You do not want to do this because it hurts and has a chance to kill you. The man who caused this to happen to you, refuses to let you prevent this **** from happening because he wants to keep the **** even though you don't but the process of taking that **** has 0% chance of death or pain to the man.
#53 to #52 - xcoreyx
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You only need parental consent to do anything if you're under 18, in which case you shouldn't be having sex anyways (except in countries where the legal age is lower). I was agreeing with you on the first one, a man should not be able to force a woman to have a child that was the cause of rape.

And that's not really a valid analogy, because no one wants to keep a ****. It's his child too, and if the sex was consensual she knew the risks just as well as he did. It's like if you buy a house and both your names are on the paperwork, one of you can't make a decision to sell the house without the other's consent.

User avatar #97 to #53 - mrlaviano
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You probably shouldn't compare buying a horse to giving birth.

But to add points against your argument. Its the females body that is going to affected by the birthing, not the male.
- Bloodshot eyes, facial bruising and muscle/joint pain will occur after birthing.
- Stretch marks that will NEVER FADE COMPLETELY. These can be red/purple/pearly white for the rest of their lives.
- Breast pain due to engorgement , cracked nipples. (requires cream and antibiotics)
- Fevers, chills, inflammation, difficulty passing urine, disgusting vaginal odor, lack of appetite, hot flashes, night sweats, and dry skin which could be an indication of an infection or circulation problem.
- Decreased libido, lack of vaginal lubrication
- Wild mood swings, which can lead to post-partum depression (thoughts of suicide, insomnia, panic attacks.) Which can last up to 12 months.
- Urinating/******** can vary from painful to uncomfortable. Two weeks of bleeding with small clots, then later bloody discharges.
- No sex for weeks highly recommended to avoid any problems.
- Pelvic bone injuries that can occur, takes months to get better.
- And of course the possibility of death.
(correct me if i'm wrong on any of these)

But i can see your point of view. I would be devastated if i wanted to keep the baby and she wants to get it aborted. But the fact that she has to go through all of the above, just so i could have a child is just selfish. I would never want someone to go through that just for another's desires.
#106 to #97 - ennemi
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plus the time she won't be able to work and potential change of habit in her life.

It's suck for us that the women is the only one who decide if she's gonna have the child or not. But the alternative (forcing an human to go through a ******** of physical/mental/financial pain) is unacceptable imho.
User avatar #56 to #53 - toosexyforyou
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Alright, I have no idea how you misunderstood me this badly. Re-read what I wrote except this time, you should know that when I say "father" I mean the father of the baby not the father of woman having the baby. And you also completely missed my point somehow which is this: In this universe, society cannot stop a man from forcing a woman to have a child that was the cause of rape because the woman is not admitting to being raped.

First of all, the analogy is completely valid because even though it's **** instead of a baby, the point is that the woman doesn't want it, the man wants it, and the woman bares 100% of the risk of injury. Secondly, having sex and co-signing for a house are completely different. I honestly cannot even comprehend how someone could see the two as being similar unless you're so young and innocent that you don't realize how much casual sex goes on in the world.
#203 to #52 - anon id: cbc9ddcd
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Oh, for **** sake, like it would be hard to define another paragraph in the law that makes rape exception from "fathers consent". Thats precisely the thing for which we have ******* courts.
He's got a valid point, stop nitpicking it when there's an obvious solution to it.
User avatar #135 to #52 - admiralen
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maybe you should practice safe sex if you dont wanna have children, its unfair to kill of a wanted child simply cause you dont wanna be in pain though
User avatar #137 to #135 - toosexyforyou
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There's a reason it's called an "accident." I disagree, I think it is fair.
User avatar #138 to #137 - admiralen
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if youre that stupid youre not cut out to be a parent anyway i suppose
User avatar #139 to #138 - toosexyforyou
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Yeah I suppose that when a condom breaks, the person wearing that condom is very stupid. How could he not know that the condom would break? What an idiot. I am being sarcastic. I hope you understand how ridiculous that sounds.
User avatar #141 to #139 - admiralen
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a condom wont break easily, so either youve mistreated it like an idiot, or youve bought a cheap knock off condom like an idiot.
User avatar #143 to #141 - toosexyforyou
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Dear lord... your logic is unquestionable. You are truly a master of wits, congratulations on the victory. Sarcasm, again, just in case you didn't catch that, you're pretty stupid. I will most likely not respond to your next message, please do not get offended.
User avatar #145 to #143 - admiralen
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im guessin you dont have much contact with condoms then since you believe they break and that people get pregnany from this regularly. this happening is like one in a million, and thus its a special case, and then its even more special cause the mother wants the abortion while the dad wants to keep it. its so rare in fact that you shouldnt make up rules or philosofies around it
#168 to #145 - anon id: 32c9b572
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Nice job pulling that 'one in a million' out of your ass.
Typical use of a condom has an 82 to 90% chance to prevent pregnancy.
It's not at all uncommon for a couple who used a condom to still conceive a baby.
User avatar #169 to #168 - admiralen
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except it is.
its like 99% proof, and then the chance for the girl to get pregnant is pretty scarce too
User avatar #177 to #169 - playerdous
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Typical use failure rate: 18%.


User avatar #178 to #177 - admiralen
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you break 1 in 5 condoms you use? the **** are you doing in bed bro
#179 to #178 - playerdous
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User avatar #183 to #179 - admiralen
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typical idiot not using it right then i suppose, where did they get this information anyway? did they ask around "hey dude does your condoms work right? usually man, but every fifth time the gf gets preggo"
User avatar #205 to #183 - nandaaz
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Actually, there are plenty of studies done by inviting some random people and letting them have sex in front of cameras/the researchers
#173 to #169 - anon id: c96660d0
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You're retarded. I'm pretty sure you've never even seen/used protection in your entire life, and if you keep that stupid **** up you won't for the rest of your life.

Like anon said, condoms have somewhere between 80-95% chance of preventing pregnancy, depending on the brand and material, and 'the pill" has 99% chance of preventing pregnancy.

Don't believe us? Ask an actual doctor, or read what's on the box of condoms instead of pulling statistics out of your ass
#182 to #173 - noteventrying
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no, condoms generally have a 98% effectiveness and even this statistic is slightly wrong due to people who don't use them correctly

www.netdoctor.co.uk/sex_relationships/facts/condoms.htm
User avatar #187 to #182 - playerdous
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18% failure rate.
User avatar #174 to #173 - admiralen
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you sure youre using it right? if no sperm gets out of it she aint getting pregnant, if youre so wild you break it or it comes off you need to take it easier in bed mate
#181 to #174 - anon id: c96660d0
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And again, you didn't ask a real doctor or read the ******* packaging. Go pick up a random box of condoms and read what's on the piece of paper inside, it will tell you that condoms will fail more than you think
User avatar #186 to #181 - admiralen
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if you break them or use me wrong they will fail, otherwise youre pretty safe
User avatar #207 to #186 - nandaaz
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I don't think anon was using you wrong, admiralen....
Maybe you should start proof-reading your comments
User avatar #214 to #207 - admiralen
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didnt mean to sound like an asshole, just meant i dont give enough of a crap about anon to clean up my spelling for him.
and i laughed when i saw the error
User avatar #209 to #207 - admiralen
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if i cared enough about spelling i might, but ive found only idiots tend to focus more on the spelling than the content
User avatar #213 to #209 - nandaaz
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Only reason I said something about your spelling was because it was a funny mistake, like anon is using you as a condo- HEY! I HAVE AN IDEA! If we just use you our condoms won't break so often!
User avatar #153 to #143 - cabbagemayhem
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He's right and you're wrong. You're also an asshole and shouldn't call anyone stupid again.
#162 to #42 - junahi
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Considering how much of a hassle and life changer giving birth and being pregos is, I think she should be able to decide it herself. + the pain. + being accident.
#265 to #42 - anon id: 8bd26ad2
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Because it is the woman's ******* body, not the man's.
I understand that the developing feotus is equally his, however he does not have equal right over the woman's body. That is for her, and her alone, to decide.
#223 to #42 - anon id: 71332485
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Well if the guy really hates the girl he can just not give his consent for her to have an abortion. Then leave her to raise the child alone.
User avatar #211 to #42 - mutzaki
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I don't think it's reasonable to force a woman to remain pregnant and give birth, and therefore risk her health and even in some cases, her life. Pregnancy and birth usually isn't harmful, but there's always a chance, and vaginal tearing during birth is very likely. Plus, pregnancy can be a huge, huge hassle. If it were possible for the woman to let the man carry the child in his man-uterus, then it wouldn't be a problem. I somewhat agree, yet I somewhat don't, as I don't consider a fetus to be at all of equal value to a child, and therefore if a woman doesn't want it, she shouldn't have to suffer.

However, agreements should be available where the mother gets to ask the father for a certain amount of money to go through with it, and then allow her to not be part of the child's life.

If I got a girl pregnant and I wanted to go through with it and raise the child on my own, for whatever reason, I'd still be 100 % supportive if the mother opposed, and I would instead focus on getting someone, who also wanted a baby, pregnant. I think it comes down to the same thing as the abortion debate in general--whether or not you consider an early-stage fetus to be of value. If you see it as something precious and already consider it your child, then sure, you're probably going to want to keep it, but I think very differently about it.
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Technically they're forced to pay child support and spend time with it. The only exception are fathers who literally run the **** away and can't be tracked down.
#146 to #2 - spyter
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but they're not "forced" they deduct their wages so if they get paid under the table and have no other assets they cant force them to pay anything at all and technically owe the money but they child/mom will never see it, also guys can force a girl to pay child support if she leaves because that does happen too. my fathers never paid a dime.
User avatar #45 to #2 - delphine
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they're not required to spend time. And paying child support does not equal being a father.
my friend's dad paid child support regularly for 18 year, and he's never tried to contact her even after her mom passed away.
#64 to #2 - anon id: 99a0272b
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that's why you don't let them know your name.
Christ, that's offensive, but seriously guys, if you're having a one night stand, don't take them to your place and don't give them your actual name and avoid using your phone number. Same for the ladies, you don't want some creep tracking you down.
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#151 to #2 - anon id: 4ce7a4cc
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I love how you called the child "it"
User avatar #152 to #151 - thechosentroll
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What? Keeping it gender-neutral.
User avatar #201 to #2 - nigeltheoutlaw
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No fathers are forced to spend time with the child, only to pay child support. Source: I have a deadbeat father.
#212 to #2 - tailsx
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Hey, that sounds like my father. He owes over $30,000 in child support (not including the  interest). He might be going to jail for not paying and I hope he does.
Hey, that sounds like my father. He owes over $30,000 in child support (not including the interest). He might be going to jail for not paying and I hope he does.
User avatar #229 to #2 - hoponthefeelstrain
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Sign over your parental rights and you don't have to pay child support or look at it.
User avatar #288 to #2 - novembersky **User deleted account**
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Exactly.
The same goes for the woman's side, even if abortion is made illegal, there are always ways around laws if she really does want the baby.
User avatar #322 to #2 - sairajayn
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They are forced neither.

My ex is supposed to see my son and pay child support.
He barely sees him, and since December doesn't have to pay apparently.
User avatar #118 to #2 - darkoblivion
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did you hear about the guy that got sentenced to six months in jail because he paid too much child support and spent too much time with his child after the terms of his separation agreement were altered without his knowledge?
User avatar #140 to #2 - admiralen
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did you know that a woman had sex with a minor, got pregnant and then he was forced to pay child support. thats statutory rape but he still had to pay ******* child support.

probably irrelevant but i found it to be interesting trivia
#43 to #2 - pridefulmatthew
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I don't think they can be legally forced to spend time with the child, only have to pay support.
User avatar #184 to #43 - nandaaz
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isn't it the childs right to see his father? (Just wondering, always thought it was)
#301 to #184 - pridefulmatthew
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tell that to black children
#286 to #184 - tsukaza
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No?
What made you think that?
User avatar #321 to #286 - sairajayn
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Yes they do. But the parent has a right to not see them.

/stalk but don't spoiler me I can't read em lol
#323 to #321 - tsukaza
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If the parent doesn't want to meet them then the right of the child has sorta disappeared...
But you spoilered first! But you spoilered first!
User avatar #324 to #323 - sairajayn
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Not really, it is just ignored. Like my right to do what I want being as noisy as I want is ignored because people around me have the right to live in peace.
#325 to #324 - tsukaza
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That's because in that case the Benefit of society > the Benefit of one.
User avatar #326 to #325 - sairajayn
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It's same, the child still has rights they just aren't fulfilled.
User avatar #302 to #286 - nandaaz
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Well, adopted kids have the right to see their birthparents, so I thought that also applied to normal children who want to see their parents
#303 to #302 - tsukaza
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The birth parents can still say no, they don't want t meet the child as far as I'm aware
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I thank the majority for making this more of a discussion than an argument. Good on ya for helping each other understand our rights(as confusing as they seem to be)in relationships.
User avatar #1 - pikapimp
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it already is illegal, try not paying your child support
#25 to #1 - anon id: cf211c91
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My step dad hasn't payed child support for my half sister ever. She's 12 now.   
He has three cars and 5 other adopted kids, has had two new wives, lives off of his "PTSD" from vietnam while taking all of his kids to shooting ranges every other weekend.   
The courts haven't done a thing.
My step dad hasn't payed child support for my half sister ever. She's 12 now.
He has three cars and 5 other adopted kids, has had two new wives, lives off of his "PTSD" from vietnam while taking all of his kids to shooting ranges every other weekend.
The courts haven't done a thing.
#197 to #25 - anon id: 00dd453c
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Pics or gtfo
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User avatar #293 to #1 - crazehtoast
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It's only illegal if a complaint is filed, iirc.
In Texas, at least. Dad hasn't payed child support for a while, but that's because there's an understanding that it isn't really needed. I'm a one-in-a-million where my divorced parents actually get along.
User avatar #4 to #1 - barenoizedub
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My dad didn't pay any of mine, he left before I was born and I've never even seen a picture of him, He actually left the country...
User avatar #33 to #4 - twiztidxson
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The obvious thing to do now is to hunt him down and kill him.
But seriously what a dick.
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well if he left the country he doesnt have to pay
#94 - Blasphemer
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I don't get it, abortion shouldn't, forgive me, MUST NOT, ever become illegal...   
   
Mistakes happen, RAPE happens. No one wants to be forced to raise the child they have no time, ability or even love for. And no child deserves to be raised by incompetent idiot or by unloving parent.
I don't get it, abortion shouldn't, forgive me, MUST NOT, ever become illegal...

Mistakes happen, RAPE happens. No one wants to be forced to raise the child they have no time, ability or even love for. And no child deserves to be raised by incompetent idiot or by unloving parent.
User avatar #163 to #94 - diedede
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Actually, since the moment when the two DNA strand (spermatozoon's and ovum's) combine, we have a new human being. not adult nor child, but human
I'm studying biology, and that's what we have at least in the other animals
#164 to #163 - Blasphemer
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Somehow I have a feeling that you had the need to say that even though I never mentioned anything about that part of the argument, but very well: Not every ejaculation deserves a name.

As far as I care, it's something that should be decided in first few weeks of pregnancy (if aware of it) or when first aware of it (Yes, I was on this site long enough to see that women who aborted a child she wasn't even aware it was in her, weird **** happens, we can't always predict everything or dare to claim we know boundaries of human stupidity).
#170 to #164 - diedede
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What I said is that even if it's a rape (what would be a tragedy), the fetus is as human as a newborn, so we could aks him when he is like 5 years if he wants to live in that situation or not, and the if he says no, whether taking him to a foster care or just kill him, but the child chooses.
All this is a biologist point of view, I don't know about rights and all that stuff
User avatar #231 to #170 - hoponthefeelstrain
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yea a 5 year old is going to understand that complex situation.
User avatar #239 to #231 - diedede
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Then better not asking him and choose by yoursel, right?
And I said 5 years as an age not so late but not so fast, but if you want, you can ask him when he is 16.
User avatar #246 to #239 - hoponthefeelstrain
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Your parents make a lot of decisions for you, they have legal right to. They could pierce your ears, circumcise you, chose your name. This is just another choice that parents have.
User avatar #250 to #246 - diedede
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I think your life it's not like your name or to pierce your ears.
#206 to #170 - Blasphemer
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I am not bashing you down for voicing your opinion. You are watching it from one viewpoint and as far as I've deducted you are interested in more...

Whilst that all sounds very noble and idealistic, I doubt that raped 12yo girl looks forward to giving birth to a child just so child could vote 5 years later on it. And while you mentioned 5 years, are you truly certain that 5yo child is capable of giving such life threatening decisions? Again, your cause is noble, but allow me to hit low: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
User avatar #204 to #163 - nigeltheoutlaw
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No, you have a zygote, then a fetus. A fetus can't be considered a human until it's able to live outside of the mother's womb (after two trimesters usually). You should probably study more.
User avatar #217 to #204 - diedede
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Then nobody it's a human until he is 6-7 years, when he could be able to survive without the protecction of the mother.
User avatar #224 to #217 - nigeltheoutlaw
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For a biology student you don't seem to understand biology well. A fetus only becomes a human when it can survive outside of the womb. Before that it's a fetus.

By your logic, nobody is a human since they need police forces and governments to protect them.
#240 to #224 - anon id: 3810b14c
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You could perhaps say that a fetus early on isn't alive yet, but aftter some time when the fetus is beginning to move and it has a beating heart (around 4 weeks), it is very much alive and considered a young human being in development. I personally am not sure on wether arbortion should be allowed freely or not, but I do believe we should treat lightly on how it's handled. The woman bearing the child should propably have the final word, but then again it's also the man's baby.
User avatar #242 to #240 - nigeltheoutlaw
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No, it's not alive since it's still dependent entirely on the mother for everything, even oxygen. It's not alive nor human until it can be brought to term, after about two trimesters. You'd be very hard pressed to find a legitimate scientist that differs from this view.

I can't argue there since that's all opinion.
User avatar #236 to #224 - diedede
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By my logic we are humans since we have our own DNA, a new DNA in history, that wont be made any more.
There's no a point in those 6 months when you can tell "aaaaand now it's a human", the only possible point in my opinion is the moment when our parent's DNAs "mix in one".
User avatar #241 to #236 - nigeltheoutlaw
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New DNA has nothing to do with whether a fetus is human or not.

Yes, there is. When a fetus can brought to term is when it is scientifically considered a human, regardless of your "opinion" on the matter.
User avatar #259 to #241 - diedede
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To determine different species, nowadays everyone sees the genetic code, so it has to do.
If someone builds an incubator that recreates the womb's conditions, then a fetus would be human before?
User avatar #262 to #259 - nigeltheoutlaw
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This is advanced stupid, I give up. Hopefully you don't have any position of scientific clout in the future.
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I personally believe the only circumstance where an abortion would be okay is if it would kill the mother.
Yes, if a woman is impregnated by a rapist, that would be terrible, and she certainly doesn't deserve to bare the pain of child birth; no woman should be punished for the actions of a rapist; but neither should the baby.
The woman would feel a lot of pain, but the odds are, she wouldn't die. And if she doesn't want to raise it, she can just put it up for adoption.
That's just my opinion though.
User avatar #295 to #289 - shannonrw
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I disagree, because a woman who is impregnated by her rapist usually faces severe emotional trauma from having to carry the rapist's child for nine months, being reminded of the rape every day for nine months is just one reason for this. I'd like to not really get into it, but making a raped woman carry the child is actually evil and very cruel. I would never wish that upon anyone.
User avatar #296 to #295 - novembersky **User deleted account**
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I understand that.
#292 to #289 - Blasphemer
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As I fully respect it, besides that "would kill a girl/women" part, let's just skip to the adoption part since I am currently more interested in it.

We lack kids for adoption? I don't know where you come from, but at my country kids that don't get adopted are ****** (and not in a nice way), and a lot of them don't get adopted. Less then 10% get lucky enough to be adopted.
User avatar #298 to #292 - tealcanaan
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Still better then no chance at all at a happy and fulfilling life.
#299 to #298 - Blasphemer
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That is just one side of the argument, when everything is considered, I would not dare make abortion illegal.
User avatar #300 to #299 - tealcanaan
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I would only have abortions legal as serious medical procedures where the women's life is in danger. All other events you are destroying a human life out of convenience, and that should be illegal. The argument of, "well they'll grow up unwanted and become violent', or they are the product of rape, hold no bearing. No one should be held accountable for their fathers sins and their mothers mistakes.
#304 to #300 - Blasphemer
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I would extend it to the rape part. Here's a little story:

Say I am a 24 year old girl (I am not even going to be unfair and start this story as 10 year old girl), finishing my college, just got a great offer for a job, have friends, am a professional volleyball player... And now some cocksucker beats the **** out of me, rapes me and leaves me pregnant... Now, I am forced to go trough birth (a very ****** painfull expirience, so I was informed) to a child of a man who raped me, meanwhile I should just cancel my sports, job, college, social life while this little **** rots inside me. Think I might wanna jump a flight of stairs couple of times? Socialize with coathangers? Ask a favour from a fresh med student? Not every woman wants to give birth you know, and now I am forced to do so... **** you and your anti abortion law!


Just speaking figuratively, of course.
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The thing about rape is that there are things called rape kits and post evidence collection they treat for possible virus and give an estrogen boost to the body to prevent pregnancy. Also that was a completely EMOTIONALLY charged argument. No matter how you look at it you are destroying a human life out of spite for the innocent's father's sins.
#311 to #305 - Blasphemer
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I was just on a roll, felt like the best way to paint it.
In my humble opinion, no woman should ever be forced to go trough pregnancy.

Let us agree to disagree, I see neither of us giving in anywhere.
User avatar #312 to #311 - tealcanaan
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k bro.
User avatar #294 to #292 - novembersky **User deleted account**
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Ah. I completely overlooked that. Not even considering something like that, thank god I'm not a world leader, eh?
I don't know, abortion just seems immoral to me, though I suppose we'd be doing the child a favor if the odds are that their life would be miserable if they were born.
The whole matter is ****** up, really. It's just a shame that we have to deal with things like rape and irresponsible sex that make this an issue in the first place, but that's the world we live in, I suppose.
To be honest, I'm not completely sure what my views on abortion are, as I think about the subject a lot and tend to change my opinions.
#297 to #294 - Blasphemer
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I have stated in my post merely that we SHOULD NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES make abortion illegal, the world is too ****** for something like that... I am in no way supporting people who want to get abortion just for the fun of it... It's a tragic event that is sometimes a convenient necessity... Never to be supported, but never to be made illegal...
#3 - taurusguy
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If you made abortion illegal the amount of "accidental" hits to the stomach would skyrocket.
#39 to #3 - rdobet
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Or the amount of vacations to Mexico
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Or the amount of women "accidentally" falling down stairs
#6 to #5 - taurusguy
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Or the amount of women "accidentally" getting stabbed the **** out of their stomachs and having their dead bodies burned.
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You wait until they fall down the stairs? Bitch I just shove those hoes down
#13 - sirbutterballs
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I like this idea.   
Half of it because it seems (morally) right   
Half because it'd be fun to see all this **** play out IRL    
 It's pretty common for people to get pregnant in mah high school.
I like this idea.
Half of it because it seems (morally) right
Half because it'd be fun to see all this **** play out IRL
It's pretty common for people to get pregnant in mah high school.
User avatar #31 - eatherbreather
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(01/18/2014) [-]
All the considered and informed arguments in the comments are valid. No one has yet advocated there be more anal and blowjobs to help avoid this mess in the first place.
#30 - lyiat
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It's... already.... illegal......
It's... already.... illegal......
#226 to #30 - imanawesomepossum
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not where I live!
#9 - klutzyspy
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(01/17/2014) [-]
so by the same logic:
if abortion is legal, men should have no responsibilities if they choose not to be the father. Even without having to kill the unborn child.
User avatar #14 to #9 - noblexfenrir
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Well technically they should be able to do that, they can't but while I support abortion I also think it would be an amazing idea if men also had the ability to have a "legal abortion". Basically, they have the same period as a woman does to get rid of the fetus, to opt out of being the father. Basically you sign away all parental rights current and in the future, and as a result you aren't forced to pay child support and what not when the child is had.

Would solve alot of peoples problems to be honest.
#15 to #14 - klutzyspy
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yes cus the problem is that men dont get any choices except "dont stick your dick in anything"...

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User avatar #16 to #15 - noblexfenrir
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Well the main problem doesn't exactly stem from the fact that both parties had sex, we generally understand that people can **** up, and even then those on the pro-abortion side of the argument generally have a good idea of why the fetus is perfectly fine to be aborted.

I just feel that anyone that is pro-abortion should also allow the time limit in which a woman is not legally binded to the potential child, to be extended to the man as well.

Although I do agree, I would like to see more legal options for men in this scenario than simply "wait for final decision from female partner", however I'll be the first to admit it's a difficult subject to do that with.
User avatar #233 to #14 - hoponthefeelstrain
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it's called signing over your parental rights.