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Time for another flood. 50 no's and a yesh, means yesh. if you gate hell for being bad why wouldn" t satan reward you for it why does he make you suffer wtf id

50 no's and a yesh, means yesh

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if you gate hell for being
bad why wouldn" t satan
reward you for it why
does he make you suffer
wtf id be like hell yeah
************ you my
***** lets party
i started to laugh and then i
realized that this is actually
a really valid question
Alternatively, if Satan
punishes sinners, why isn' t he
considered good?
If the Pope dies, is he being
promoted er fired?
were becoming self aware

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#14 - HobbsBear (12/22/2014) [-]

I see a lot of people explaining, but I'm drunk, and hey, maybe I'll get thumbs for going in depth. According to the Catholic faith (hey, maybe my years of Catholic school will actually be worth something here!)

Satan was originally an angel. He and a lot of angels saw that God created the humans and that God felt that they were better than angels (basically the difference is that we make choices based on what we know, whereas angels know all and make decisions with those in mind... story for another day). Anyways, Satan and a buncha other angels were like 'Bro, these humans suck... wtf bro?', and God was like 'okay, so you don't like my decision.... I'm not changing it, so you can deal with it or leave'. Satan goes ' ****** , we outtie'.

So Satan and his followers get cast out of heaven, and Satans sitting there like 'Dude, my dad loves my ****** ass baby brother who can never live up to my potential more than me... I'm gonna torture the **** outta those assholes'. Now, hell isn't actually a place of torment and pain. It's literally by definition (again, according to Catholics) a place with no communication with God. The 'pain' is that you all of a sudden know all, can see heaven, and you are completely removed from that.

Anywho, basically Satan tries to keep you from God, Hell is a lack of God, and really if you absolutely hate God and have all the facts and go to hell if it exists, then it may actually be pleasant...

This isn't a 'THIS IS RIGHT, JESUS **** REPENT YOU ASS TARDS!' post, this is a 'this is what one culture believes and the backstory is actually mildly interesting! Ain't that neat?' post.

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#98 to #14 - perform (12/22/2014) [-]

I can imagine some dude high off his balls saying this with hiccups of smoke and beer.

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#109 to #14 - anon (12/22/2014) [-]

1. Lucifer =/= Satan
Satan is in all stories involving "him" an adversary, so basically an angle sent to test
certain individuals, as major example: Book of Job.
Personally I would say that the use of "satan" outside of biblical stories such as Paul's letters shoud be understand as personnificated temptation, and not as an actual person.
2. Lucifer
While the name Lucifer (as in "fallen morning star") is used as metaphor to mock the King of Tyre, Lucifer as an angle is only described in Revelation.
I see it as unlikely that the angle in Rev is meant with the "fallen morning star" since Ezekiel is way older than Rev to be a reference.

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#47 to #14 - hazeleyedstranger (12/22/2014) [-]

This thread sounds like a bunch of guys arguing the background story of Lord of the Rings or something. It's actually quite amusing to read if you imagine that you're referencing some science fiction novel.

inb4 the bible is a science fiction novel

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#49 to #14 - tehweave (12/22/2014) [-]

Fascinating read.

Despite being an athiest, I do find the stories of religion to be interesting. The mythos, the lore, how it all came to be... It's pretty compelling stuff!

Not enough to make me believe in god, but a good story is still a good story.

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#36 to #14 - wanicochil (12/22/2014) [-]

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever"

Revelation 21:8 "But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."[

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#35 to #14 - wanicochil (12/22/2014) [-]

According to the texts Satan is down in hell being punished and burning for eternity with sinners, he isn't a ruler down there..

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#17 to #14 - jimmydeenbomb (12/22/2014) [-]

an excellent explanation. However God actually runs hell. You see Satan is being tortured too for all eternity. Satan is the Christian version of Prometheus. Satan gave us power to "be like God" which is exactly why the Greek gods didnt want Prometheus to give man fire. Satan is humanity's homeboy and God might be a tad pissed that Satan is the friend who convinces you that beer is ******* awesome.

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#34 to #17 - wanicochil (12/22/2014) [-]

Satan wanted us to fall out of favor with god, Satan is not humanitie's 'homeboy' we would be living in eternal paradise if it wasn't for Satan tempting eve with the apple

Satan was jealous that humanity got more attention and love from god than the angels did, and wants to overthrow god and destroy humanity

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#104 to #34 - adplum ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

we would also have no free will tho

we would also have no free will tho

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#117 to #104 - wanicochil (12/23/2014) [-]

We wouldn't know and we wouldn't care what free will is

Instead we would be chilling in a beautiful garden, with not a care in the world, sexing and relaxing and eating all day with no negative consequences what so ever

We wouldn't know and we wouldn't care what free will is

Instead we would be chilling in a beautiful garden, with not a care in the world, sexing and relaxing and eating all day with no negative consequences what so ever

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#118 to #117 - adplum ONLINE (12/23/2014) [-]

true, but without free will we wouldnt really have emotions (or if we did theyd be very limited) and therefore we wouldn't be much different than machines. I've always seen it as if you weren't able to make your own decisions you would also lose the ability to feel strongly about any one thing because if you were allowed those emotions, you'd act on them. Theres not really a point to not having a care and sexing and relaxing if you literally cant care, if you can't be happy about it.

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#119 to #118 - wanicochil (12/23/2014) [-]

Well we can't really say how they felt during the time cause we don't know what it's like to live like it

But Satan deceiving us resulted in suffering, pain, death and for us to fall out of favor with god, which I can easily say that is a massive negative rather than a positive

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#120 to #119 - adplum ONLINE (12/23/2014) [-]

but it also resulted in creativity, individuality, and free thought. I dunno, it really depends how you look at it

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#126 to #120 - HobbsBear (12/23/2014) [-]

Just replying to everyone for ***** and giggles - Genesis and the story of Adam and Eve is actually considered to NOT be real by everyone except the retards of the chuch. Multiple popes have come out and said that it was just a story.

Having said that, Adam and Eve did have free will before eating the apple. They could have chosen to eat it at any time, but never had any reason to - to them it was just another apple, and hey look, more apples over there, ***** so cash. Then the devil came along and was like, sure, but THIS apple has a gooey nougat center. So Eve was like 'oh **** yeah, chocolate, can't get that **** anywhere else', and ate it and then was like 'oh **** , this isn't chocolate, what am I gonna...' and the snake was like 'LULZ, hey, make Adamn have some too, that mofo should share in whatever happens to you' and Eve was like ' **** YEA FEMINISM' and told adamn 'brah, check this cash **** out right here', and he ate that **** .

Satan only tempted by saying that what was REALLY a normal apple was actually some sort of magical ************ awesome apple.

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#132 to #126 - wanicochil (12/23/2014) [-]

To your firs thing yes, Genesis is just a story, just like Zeus etc

But it still is involved in the whole Christianity mythology of Fall of Satan

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#26 to #17 - vellion (12/22/2014) [-]

So the solution is simple. We use the power to be like God and make our own heaven. Free yourself from dogma and make your own destiny. Thanks Satan. Now what do we put in heaven first, dragons or anime tiddays, decisions, decisions...

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#61 to #26 - anon (12/22/2014) [-]

Dragons with anime tiddays.... Obviously.

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#110 to #26 - gabonicagracy (12/22/2014) [-]

Blackjack and hookers.

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#123 to #17 - HobbsBear (12/23/2014) [-]

I didn't touch too much on this, but according to uptight Catholic rhetoric-beaters, Hell is literally the 'absense of God'. So it's not so much that anyone in hell is being tormented, or is being punished... it's just that God says 'okay, you don't want anything to do with me. You can go play on the other playground now... just know there's no way back', and then you get to the other playground and NO ONE from the first playground will talk to you.

The Catholic Hell in the big book of **** they believe is literally that - lonlieness from God. Many theologens hold that Hell isn't really a physical torture kinda deal (I mean **** , you won't even have your body, (until Rapture, WHOLE nother ballgame there)), it's literally just you, with yourself, in the knowledge of all of the harm you've caused others, and no comfort for that.

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#77 to #17 - opwontdeliver (12/22/2014) [-]

As well in the book of genesis it stated it was the serpent who tempted Eve, it wasnt actually the devil. Just sayin.

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#83 to #77 - lolwtfpwnge (12/22/2014) [-]

I hate to ruin the plot line in that story for you but.. The serpent is the devil...

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#84 to #83 - opwontdeliver (12/22/2014) [-]

Actually at that point it was debatable if God still had Satan in heaven, but it could go either way.

The snake was just kind of a dick

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#122 to #84 - HobbsBear (12/23/2014) [-]

Again, just giving the 'official story of the Catholics'

The serpent WAS the devil. Catholicism holds that the difference between angels and humans is that we need to take time and learn, whereas angels knew all instantly, including what the consequences of their actions are. In this regard, Catholics believe that the instant God created humans is the instant that the angels rebelled and were instantly thrown from heaven into the pit.

Just sayin, I'm drunk, I'm gonna reply to all you lovely people

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#92 to #84 - lolwtfpwnge (12/22/2014) [-]

Definetly debatable. Sorry if my statement came off as implying my statement was truth, but consider the following:

None of the animals in the garden could speak so Adam had to name them. This implies an animal speaking would have to be by some divine doing and the only person at the time who opposed Gods word ("Do not eat the apple") whether the devil was struck down from heaven yet or not was Satan. The Bible also says just before Judas betrayed Jesus, ‘Satan entered into him’. In this context we can conclude that under certain conditions Satan can indwell either human bodies or animal bodies.

but, speaking to your rebuttal, it can definitely be debated the serpent was only the agent in Satan’s plan from the description of the reptile and the curse pronounced upon it in.

Definetly debatable. Sorry if my statement came off as implying my statement was truth, but consider the following:

None of the animals in the garden could speak so Adam had to name them. This implies an animal speaking would have to be by some divine doing and the only person at the time who opposed Gods word ("Do not eat the apple") whether the devil was struck down from heaven yet or not was Satan. The Bible also says just before Judas betrayed Jesus, ‘Satan entered into him’. In this context we can conclude that under certain conditions Satan can indwell either human bodies or animal bodies.

but, speaking to your rebuttal, it can definitely be debated the serpent was only the agent in Satan’s plan from the description of the reptile and the curse pronounced upon it in.

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#94 to #92 - opwontdeliver (12/22/2014) [-]

But you have to think of it like this, when Adam and Eve left the garden the characteristics of animals where very much different, look at the snake, it had legs and wings before it had its limbs cast off by god So who exactly is to say the animals in the garden where intellegent enough to talk, we can see it in animals today such as dogs, pigs, and many others that communicate with each other, at that point there was a universal language, but god made man king of the beasts because at that point we where living in harmony with nature, with the intellect of man, but with the characteristics of beasts.

Long story short, we where as smart as we where, but we didnt see the taboo that humans have right now, thats why we where in good standing with both god-like creatures and angels, and animals, god put us on a higher standared so thats why we got to name them

but then the dick head snake ****** it up.

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#99 to #94 - lolwtfpwnge (12/22/2014) [-]

lol @"dickhead snake ****** it up"

While i guess it isn't conclusive whether animals could speak or not, it still wouldn't explain why the snake could speak outside its own species Human language , or why it was the only animal willing to go against Gods will and feel strongly enough about it to convince one of the humans to betray God as well

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#124 to #99 - HobbsBear (12/23/2014) [-]

So I'm just going through responding to everything (drunk again!), and only the retards of the Catholic church really think that Adam and Eve actually existed. Most of Genesis is just a story, a 'this is how the earth came to be! This is why we need God! We suck, see?'.

So really, the whole story doesn't need to have any rhyme or reason... it's LITERALLY like Dora the Explorer --- We don't think 'HOLY **** BALLS, A TALKING GODDAMNED BACKPACK!?!?', we think 'Oh yes, Backpack, Backpack, you are here to teach us a bit about math!' or some **** . Genesis is just Mom getting fed up and saying ' ****** , a goddamned snake tricked us into committing evil. That's why you have to be good'.

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#74 to #17 - doctadoc (12/22/2014) [-]

Did you really take Dante's Inferno that seriously?

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#65 to #17 - andrakian (12/22/2014) [-]

Not really. One of the main parts of why humans were superior to angels is that humans had the power of free will, given by God. Adam and Eve had a choice of eternal bliss in ignorance at the Eden, or knowledge with all the power and pain it brings. Satan wished to bring the humans down to his level by making they fall out of favor with God as well. So he interfered in their choice, probably before they were ready to make it.

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#125 to #65 - HobbsBear (12/23/2014) [-]

Angels still have free choice, but they have absolute knowledge of the consequences of said choice. For example, who do you think is more impressive, a native Spanish speaker taking a Spanish class, OR little tommy ******** who decides to take spanish even though he knows he might fail?

So yea, Satan was angry that God loved humans because we were imperfect, but that's supposedly the reason God loved us - the angels KNEW what would happen one way or the other, and that's no fun.

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#131 to #125 - andrakian (12/23/2014) [-]

That's a very murky matter actually. We can only assume angels have free will because Satan could 1- feel envy and 2- decide to rebel. I remeber something I read about angels only being able to feel the emotions and sins of spirit in opposition to the ones of the body, but I don't remember where. And the extremely symbolic nature of Genesis doesn't help...

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#158 to #131 - HobbsBear (12/24/2014) [-]

Sure, absolutely, angels can't be tempted with sex because sex is for physical beings. I was just saying that from what I was taught in Catholic school was that angels had full blown free will.

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#4 - friedgreenpomatoes (12/21/2014) [-]

If Dante is right, Satan's half-buried in ice forever down there. Not exactly fun, since half-buried implies that his balls are also frozen in ice.

If Dante is right, Satan's half-buried in ice forever down there. Not exactly fun, since half-buried implies that his balls are also frozen in ice.

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#93 to #4 - kennygomezfive (12/22/2014) [-]

asuka= best waifu

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#8 to #4 - kanedam ONLINE (12/21/2014) [-]

nice pic

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#40 to #8 - vanhoutte (12/22/2014) [-]

Indeed.

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#42 to #4 - kenshirokisame (12/22/2014) [-]

So, it its possible for hell to freeze over.

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#46 to #42 - anon (12/22/2014) [-]

No because it was originally frozen over, so it can't freeze over again unless it becomes unfrozen.

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#80 to #46 - killerliquid (12/22/2014) [-]

***** my mind's all ****** up

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#37 - nithorry ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

for a start nowhere in the bible does it actually say Satan is the ruler of Hell nor when he eventually goes there will he be the torturer.

In fact it states in the Bible that Satan is given rulership of Earth, which makes far more sence when you think about it.

for a start nowhere in the bible does it actually say Satan is the ruler of Hell nor when he eventually goes there will he be the torturer.

In fact it states in the Bible that Satan is given rulership of Earth, which makes far more sence when you think about it.

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#38 to #37 - mangostormlegend (12/22/2014) [-]

THIS IS HELL

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#39 to #38 - nithorry ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

Exaaaactly!!!!

Exaaaactly!!!!

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#43 to #39 - mangostormlegend (12/22/2014) [-]

so does that mean there's now only one option after death?

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#44 to #43 - nithorry ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

Weeeeell it's rather a big and complex subject i've neither the time nor indepth knowlege to explain. But basically on close study of the bible and origonal translations the use of the word ''Hell'' was an umbrella word to replace Many others when death was being refurd to and the fire and brimstone concept is only a place resurved for Fallen angels and those who reseive the mark of the beast during end times. Apart from those people the bible suggests that all others sinners are actually given a second chance to repent even after Death and those who still refuse or who god deems un-redemable merely cease to exsist and their only punishment is not being reborn into paradice etc...

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#2 - senseii (12/21/2014) [-]

Tumblr making somewhat valid questions?
Unusual...

Tumblr making somewhat valid questions?
Unusual...

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#41 to #2 - vanhoutte (12/22/2014) [-]

Comment Picture

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#9 to #2 - kanedam ONLINE (12/21/2014) [-]

not a valid question. just showing how little they know about religion...

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#54 - hanakoikezawa (12/22/2014) [-]

isn't satan supposed to just supposed to be another inmate, and not in charge of anything?

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#72 to #54 - Bacabed ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

It depends on what you consider Satan to be. Iirc, Satan isn't the name of one being in particular it just means leader or some **** like that (so Satan would be the big bad guy in charge but the actual being with the title can change) although I'm also fairly certain that's old testament. Don't quote me on this as I may very well be wrong.

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#55 to #54 - gandr (12/22/2014) [-]

ya

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#71 - mattdoggy (12/22/2014) [-]

Satan hates humans, God B& Hammered Satan for being too prideful and Lucifer was sent to wander creation. Then like 5 minutes later or something Humans were made and God was showing them a ton of love and Angels were supposed to love them too like lil bros or something. Satan grew a hatred for humans because God showed them so much love.
Now Satan doesn't get the sinners and God gets the goody two shoes. What happens is God offers people a loving personal relationship and people have the choice to accept it or not. If they accept the love that he showed through sending his only son to die painfully for our sin then we get to go to Heaven and party with him forever. If we decide to reject the love then we are simply cast away from God. Hell is simply the absence of God. Also the Devil isn't in charge of Hell, he gets chucked in there like a prisoner to suffer along with everyone else.

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#78 to #71 - maximumpotato (12/22/2014) [-]

So wait, if we choose to reject God, he's just like "Fine, **** you then, go suffer for an eternity in agony and torment"? I was never the strictest Christian, but I'm pretty sure there was a bit in the Bible that went along the lines of "If people don't worship me, that's cool, just don't be dicks to them."

So wait, if we choose to reject God, he's just like "Fine, **** you then, go suffer for an eternity in agony and torment"? I was never the strictest Christian, but I'm pretty sure there was a bit in the Bible that went along the lines of "If people don't worship me, that's cool, just don't be dicks to them."

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#115 to #78 - mattdoggy (12/22/2014) [-]

Originally Man had dominion over the Earth
When we started sinning we basically gave the Earth to the Devil
Hell is what happens without God, he doesn't pitch a hissyfit when we don't do what he likes, He is just trying to save us from that crap. He's not kicking us off the boat into the water if we reject him, he is offering to pick us up out of the water on a life boat

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#96 to #78 - cancerlobster (12/22/2014) [-]

Gotta keep in mind that the Bible is interpreted differently according to the religion in question. Plus, logically, the whole rejection thing isn't quite as brutal as it sounds; I mean at that point you've already been given the assurance of God's existence, and all He asks in return for a seat in Heaven is to acknowledge that and play nice with the other angels.

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#113 to #96 - maximumpotato (12/22/2014) [-]

So you're saying God pretty much confronts us when we die, and asks whether or not we're gonna behave ourselves? Even if people have went their entire lives thinking the Bible is complete toss?

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#116 to #113 - mattdoggy (12/22/2014) [-]

According to the mainstream Christians on the last day everyone gets gathered together.
First he gathers up everyone who heard the good new and then lets them into heaven or not whether they accepted the call or not. Then he judges those who haven't heard, based on how they lived their lives.

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#114 to #113 - cancerlobster (12/22/2014) [-]

According to a handful of faiths, yes, that's pretty close to what happens. Living in Utah I know that's essentially what Mormons believe. They reason that everyone deserves a last chance to repent and accept Him during the final judgment.

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#76 to #71 - WillWalrus (12/22/2014) [-]

Thank you for finally answering that question in a way I can understand

Thank you for finally answering that question in a way I can understand

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#25 - anon (12/22/2014) [-]

Look at the people on the internet. Really look.
Form an opinion.
You now understand why God doesn't talk to us.

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#19 - zbojnik (12/22/2014) [-]

Beat you to it.

In Czech and Slovak (possibly other Slavic as well) folklore the devils do take sinners to hell to punish them, so that the good can live without their evil.

In fairytales they may even be friends with the main characters and help them out of friendship, not because of a soul binding contract.

Sometimes they are the comic figure as well. Pic related.

Beat you to it.

In Czech and Slovak (possibly other Slavic as well) folklore the devils do take sinners to hell to punish them, so that the good can live without their evil.

In fairytales they may even be friends with the main characters and help them out of friendship, not because of a soul binding contract.

Sometimes they are the comic figure as well. Pic related.

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#75 to #19 - fjponythread

(12/22/2014) [-]

Princezna z mlejna
Am I right?

Princezna z mlejna
Am I right?

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#79 - lulzdealer (12/22/2014) [-]

Satan isn't lord of Hell or anything.

He is in there as punishment just like everyone else.

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#81 to #79 - blazeicon (12/22/2014) [-]

No, Hell is satan's realm. Anything he wants is. He is God in hell. You are a ******* retarded monkey loving ******* and you should feel bad.

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#86 to #81 - lyiat ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

You know absolutely nothing about Judo-Christianity.

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#97 to #86 - mananas (12/22/2014) [-]

Im actually black belt in judo-christianity.

Im actually black belt in judo-christianity.

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#87 to #86 - blazeicon (12/22/2014) [-]

I taught a ******* class about it you ******* pleb. get on my level.

I taught a ******* class about it you ******* pleb. get on my level.

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#88 to #87 - lyiat ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

Then you taught absolute **** to people and you are a failure of a teacher.

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#89 to #88 - blazeicon (12/22/2014) [-]

Nope, my star student, Ken Han went to be a great sucess. I am so proud of him as a teacher.

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#90 to #89 - lyiat ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

... Wait. Rainbow Dash icon, purposefully inflamitory comments.... -98 comment level, talking about Ken Han, the most moronic of young earth creationists.... Confirmed troll. Baity bait bait, I'm out.

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#102 to #90 - kattr (12/22/2014) [-]

implying modern christianity gives a single **** what is actually said in the bible. that's cute.

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#91 to #90 - blazeicon (12/22/2014) [-]

Took you long enough you ******* retarded monkey.

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#50 - boomyturtle (12/22/2014) [-]

It is so ******* funny to me..
How people can believe that Christianity, or any religion for that matter, is infallibly true....but NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THE **** IS GOING ON xD

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#127 to #50 - jjamesgordon (12/23/2014) [-]

2edgy

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#63 to #50 - dehnoobshow ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

Comment Picture

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#64 to #63 - boomyturtle (12/22/2014) [-]

Ain't even mad. That picture genuinely made me laugh.

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#67 - youhgee (12/22/2014) [-]

Comment Picture

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#95 - rundas ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

>tumblr
>becoming self-aware
Pick one.

>tumblr
>becoming self-aware
Pick one.

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#45 - frostbeard ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

How Hel actually looks like

How Hel actually looks like

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#20 - anon (12/22/2014) [-]

Actually Satan is part of God's plan, just like everything else. Everything Satan does furthers God's plan.
Remember, God knows all, is all powerful, and is everywhere. Thus, on the day he created the universe, he knew what was going to happen, who was going to do what and how the universe would end.
So what's the point in doing anything? It's all part of God's plan.

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#22 to #20 - iloveburzum ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

God created a book that claims he is all these things.
For all we know he's a minor spirit that created a funny book.

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#24 to #20 - noonelikesdan ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

So god planned for Lucifer to turn against him and give humans free will and the ability to think and then went on to punish him for it? Uhhhhuh

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#57 to #24 - hanakoikezawa (12/22/2014) [-]

i don't think so, all the angels are different and have their own free will, 1/3 of them actually agreed with lucifer and followed him.

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#66 to #57 - noonelikesdan ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

you didn't read what I said. Lucifer, God's right hand angel, gave the humans free will and the ability to think. When God found out he was pissed and sentenced Lucifer to hell where he would stay and punish the humans who sinned due to the free will that Lucifer gave them.

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#138 to #66 - lisreal (12/23/2014) [-]

Just studied a Catholicism class last semester. From what I learned, Free will was given to us by God. We either indulge in "false freedom" which is doing as we please (lust, greed, other sins, etc.) or we can accept "True Freedom" which is doing good deeds and living with God in mind (basically living with a conscience). Lucifer merely accepted the false freedoms and that is why he fell. We go to heaven or hell not because of Lucifer or God, but the choices we make.

At the same time, if our "free will" is already known by God, is it really free will?

Some say it is just an illusion of free will, but it depends who you talk to.

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#139 to #138 - noonelikesdan ONLINE (12/23/2014) [-]

Fair point, but there are many types of christianity and I swear in one of them Lucifer turned into/possesed the snake etc.

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#140 to #139 - lisreal (12/23/2014) [-]

I've seen that idea a lot. As I just posted in a different comment on this picture, I've always seen it as a misconception, because nowhere in Genesis does it say that Satan was serpent. I'm Lutheran, and the idea was shoved onto me many times.

The assumption was that serpents were like lizards, but upon tempting Adam & Eve, God punished them by removing their arms and legs, but like I said in my other comment, it's all up for interpretation.

Also, whether the serpent is Satan or not, Adam & Eve had the opportunity or "free will" to eat the fruit before they were even tempted, as well as giving the serpent the opportunity to tempt them. This is , in my opinion, why I think God is the one who gave the original free will.

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#144 to #140 - noonelikesdan ONLINE (12/23/2014) [-]

Nice analysis, I suppose it is portrayed that way due to snakes being portrayed as sly. But I haven't read up on the stories in a few years so I'm a bit rusty on it. But correct if I'm wrong, Beelzebub, Satan, Lucifer and the Devil are just names for the same being. I don't think that I've read anywhere that they were different beings.

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#146 to #144 - lisreal (12/23/2014) [-]

Thank you, but I really don't know amuch more about it haha. I always assumed that they were the same being and it's generally understood that the names are interchangeable, so I don't know.

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#148 to #146 - noonelikesdan ONLINE (12/23/2014) [-]

Hmm damn, one thing which actually makes me enjoy talking about stuff like this is that I think of it more as Christian Mythology rather than bible stories, such as Norse Mythology or Pagan mythology, I find it makes it a lot more interesting. But thank you for your insight, I'll have to look into the stories from other variants of Christianity and look for the similarities and differences.

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#151 to #148 - lisreal (12/23/2014) [-]

Definitely. My Catholicism professor told us that atheists usually do the best at dissecting and creating strong arguments for scripture. So to look at it objectively is the best way apparently. I had to throw all of my beliefs out and basically "Start over" while I was in the class.

Good luck!

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#27 to #24 - karrotj (12/22/2014) [-]

my question is, if humans have free will and angels dont, then lucifer was forced to rebel, meaning it wasnt his fault and now hes being punished for it? idk, some things we shouldnt think to much on lol

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#29 to #27 - flameprintz (12/22/2014) [-]

Shh, don't question, just sing and repeat bible verses.

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#31 to #29 - karrotj (12/22/2014) [-]

lol i think about things and ask questions all the time, after all, how can it be called faith if theres no doubt. It would be called knowing, not believing

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#28 to #20 - anon (12/22/2014) [-]

******** explaining holes in ******** .

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#7 - kanedam ONLINE (12/21/2014) [-]

you are not becoming self aware but you're asking ******** that just shows you dont even have the slightest idea of the stuff you ask about...

read the bible or the quran or talk to some theologist before you ask stupid stuff on the net about religion. seriously

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#12 to #7 - anon (12/22/2014) [-]

shoo shoo sand person!

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#13 to #12 - kanedam ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

me not sand person... me european...

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#16 to #13 - byobgraffpro (12/22/2014) [-]

everyone outside of the U.S. is technically an Arab

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#23 to #16 - buddhablazeit (12/22/2014) [-]

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#121 to #23 - byobgraffpro (12/23/2014) [-]

it's a quote from the dictator *******

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#21 to #16 - kanedam ONLINE (12/22/2014) [-]

almost fell for it...

almost fell for it...

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#15 - elmilius (12/22/2014) [-]

Satan hates humans. He loved God deeply, but was a jealous because God loved Humans more than Angels, so when he spoke up he got himself excommunicated and **** and now he gets to server humans eternity of suffering, and with good reason.

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#53 - Keleth (12/22/2014) [-]

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as silly as it sounds, i believe in Supernatural's version. The devil punishes you to break you, to make you into a monster for his bidding.

and on the flip side i also think maybe hell is a fake created by the church and that "life" was only created so we could experience hardship because god is ignorant because hardship is impossible where he lives. we are like little video cameras learning through our life.

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as silly as it sounds, i believe in Supernatural's version. The devil punishes you to break you, to make you into a monster for his bidding.

and on the flip side i also think maybe hell is a fake created by the church and that "life" was only created so we could experience hardship because god is ignorant because hardship is impossible where he lives. we are like little video cameras learning through our life.

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#73 to #53 - mattdoggy (12/22/2014) [-]

First, the Devil isn't in charge of Hell like people think. He is another prisoner in Hell. He might be the biggest and baddest joker in Hell and commands people there, but he is not how we think he is.
Second, Hell is mentioned a few times in the Bible and is a different concept than most people think. It is true Hell is a place bathed in flames that never die with worms that are always eating your flesh while you are in total darkness. The worst part of Hell though is simply that you are separated from God, that is the purpose of Hell. Life was created because man was created, man is life. We live here and have two choices; to accept God's love and the sacrifices he made for us and form a personal loving relationship with Him, or not. If you accept that love and relationship then you go to Heaven, if not Hell. People mistake and think that it's all about sinning or not sinning. Everyone sins, and Christian's should try to avoid sin, but we aren't saved or damned by sin.

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#112 to #73 - ritzyhellcat (12/22/2014) [-]

In Supernatural, the Devil is in what they refer to as "the Pit", which is basically the universe's best prison cell. Nothing in or out without God or Death helping out. It's not the Devil breaking you, it's Demons creating more Demons to corrupt other humans to make THEM into Demons. In my interpretation of it, it's because of their removal of God that they are making their "army" to corrupt humanity, to remove God's greatest creation from him. Over all I just like that concept, like Keleth.

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#10 - cdsams (12/22/2014) [-]

Satan doesn't rule hell, he is trapped in hell being tortured like all the other sinners according to Dante.

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#11 - olizandri (12/22/2014) [-]

Lucy isn't the warden of hell, Lucy is prisoner #1 and he needs another bitch.

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#111 - Rei (12/22/2014) [-]

Satan hates people, as they are the favoured of God's creations. He granted people free will, but not angels. So Satan deceives people into doing the wrong thing so that they will be separated from God. Once they die, their all his to torment.

Though note everyone will be judged by God at some point, and punished, except those who accept God, who are forgiven.

He will also toss satan into a bottomless pit for 1000 years.

Satan hates people, as they are the favoured of God's creations. He granted people free will, but not angels. So Satan deceives people into doing the wrong thing so that they will be separated from God. Once they die, their all his to torment.

Though note everyone will be judged by God at some point, and punished, except those who accept God, who are forgiven.

He will also toss satan into a bottomless pit for 1000 years.

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