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ChuckNorrisVsMRT (10/16/2015) [-] No lie I was a solid minute into that before I realized it wasn't a cutscene cinematic for a new game.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] I'm with anon. I love Jak and Daxter. One of my top favorite series, but I fear with a movie it will turn into some ******** family movie. The only one that would work for a family movie would the the first game, but 2 and 3 get darker and a lot more violent. They can't interpret those games into a family movie without cutting those factors out(which would ruin it entirely).
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wyrddarcnyzz (10/16/2015) [-] Well there's also the chance that they could go the Mar direction. Like, finally sending Jak into the past or something. **** I dunno, I'd probably watch it either way.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] I would watch it too, but I don't want them butchering it. If they made it a movie then it would likely be a family movie since Jak and Daxter's audience isn't a huge thing right now with all these Pixar movies. Many people who go to the movies are kids and their parents. That's why many movies strive to be at least PG so those kids can go see them and generate more profit for the producers.
If they did a whole movie about sending Jak back in time that'd be okay, but if they made it a movie they would very likely make it a PG movie and severely trim the violence and darker themes from it. If you take out the violence and darker themes from Jak and Daxter, it isn't Jak and Daxter anymore. They would write the whole script in a lighter tone which would be very out of place considering where it takes place. /they wouldn't be able to properly emulate just how dangerous the metalheads were and how dark Jak could get when he was angry.
If they did a whole movie about sending Jak back in time that'd be okay, but if they made it a movie they would very likely make it a PG movie and severely trim the violence and darker themes from it. If you take out the violence and darker themes from Jak and Daxter, it isn't Jak and Daxter anymore. They would write the whole script in a lighter tone which would be very out of place considering where it takes place. /they wouldn't be able to properly emulate just how dangerous the metalheads were and how dark Jak could get when he was angry.
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wyrddarcnyzz (10/16/2015) [-] Yeah, that's true enough, I suppose. Damn shame, too. I'd like to see more Jak and Daxter that ISN'T Lost Frontier.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] We don't talk about Lost Frontier. That to me never happened. Naughty Dog wasn't part of it at all.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] Never touched it. Never wanted to. As soon as I saw the pictures I knew it was going to be utter **** . I read up on what happens in the game and it was a horrible plot. They also changed up the style almost. They ditched the morph gun in favor of an ugly staff. They shaved Jak's awesome goatee off and made him wear a boring outfit. The plot had some guy who was another person from the dark warrior program which contradicts the lore that said Jak was the only one.
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wyrddarcnyzz (10/16/2015) [-] Yeah, I played through it. The gameplay itself wasn't too bad, although certainly not perfect. But as you said, the plot was screwy as all hell. Probably a good idea that you avoided it, it would leave a bitter taste in your mouth if you didn't.
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zuflux (10/16/2015) [-] Funnily enough, the 2nd and 3rd game turned me off completely from the series. I loved the standalone Daxter game, but I was pretty young when I played through Jak & Daxter on a borrowed Ps2, and seeing it suddenly grow so dark like that didn't sit right with me.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] I think you should give them another shot. In my opinion the story is amazing. It even has a pretty depressing part. Don't get discouraged from the darker more serious tones. It still feels like Jak and and Daxter, but it's just more violent and story driven. I strongly urge you to try them again. It may take a bit to get into 2 since it starts out a little slow, but once you get the rifle(yellow gun) it starts to pick up.
There is so much to those games. They all pretty much match up perfectly. little to no plot holes. 3 even reveals some unanswered questions(which I do not wish to spoil). Even Jak X(the racing game) was fun. It even had a fun story that fit into the main story. If you want more incentive, try looking up the cast members. they have many impressive actors in them. Also, if you want a laugh, look up the Jak 2 live action promotional trailers. They're funny.
I love the series. I grew a goatee as homage to Jak. It is tied with Halo for my favorite trilogy. I pretty much memorized every detail and fact from the Jak games.
There is so much to those games. They all pretty much match up perfectly. little to no plot holes. 3 even reveals some unanswered questions(which I do not wish to spoil). Even Jak X(the racing game) was fun. It even had a fun story that fit into the main story. If you want more incentive, try looking up the cast members. they have many impressive actors in them. Also, if you want a laugh, look up the Jak 2 live action promotional trailers. They're funny.
I love the series. I grew a goatee as homage to Jak. It is tied with Halo for my favorite trilogy. I pretty much memorized every detail and fact from the Jak games.
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thevaulthunter (10/16/2015) [-] As long as it was faithful to the story and PG-13 or R rated.
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tealkangaroo ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] yeah it'd be sweet but I'd want it to be MA or R and that's not going to happen :c
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krasnogvardiech (10/16/2015) [-] I only looked at the above trailer and saw that it was immediately butchered.
Oh well, think of it as a dumbed-down abridged version with fancier graphics.
Oh well, think of it as a dumbed-down abridged version with fancier graphics.
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bobbydwolf (10/16/2015) [-]
It's Noucome, but I'm not sure which episode. I think it's either 6 or 7.
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rakogoki (10/16/2015) [-] love the first for the nostalgic feel also something about the pacing, characters felt a little more real than when they are just cracking jokes all the time. .
love the second and third for the level design those tiny moon stages were baller
love the fourth for the gameplay.
love the sixth for the story also the 4th wall hidden insomniac planet was real neato .
and completely forget about the fifth for some reason.
love the second and third for the level design those tiny moon stages were baller
love the fourth for the gameplay.
love the sixth for the story also the 4th wall hidden insomniac planet was real neato .
and completely forget about the fifth for some reason.
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cutenesseverypost (10/16/2015) [-] My favorite was Rachet & Clank All4one
Specifcly cause I had the choice to play as Nefarious with Clank as my buddy.
That was ******* awesome.
Specifcly cause I had the choice to play as Nefarious with Clank as my buddy.
That was ******* awesome.
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putinlover (10/16/2015) [-] i played the first one on the ps2. I have it on my ps vita. Didnt finish it yet. But i know enough to understand the plot and stuff.
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swirlytwirl ONLINE (10/15/2015) [-] I wish the Sly Cooper movie models looked more true to the game or atleast like thieves in time.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] He doesn't look a whole lot like the game. This new form is more human like. It actually looks like a human body with a raccoon head. The real Sly didn't look like that. He was more cartoony.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] It's an anthropomorphic animal body. It's a blend of human and animal, but his design looks far more cartoony than he does in the movie which is the point. In the movie, he doesn't look cartoony at all. His body looks like a human in a furry costume while in the games he looks like a cartoon character.
It would be like making a Loony Toons movie where all the Loony Toons have human like bodies instead of their cartoon ones.
It would be like making a Loony Toons movie where all the Loony Toons have human like bodies instead of their cartoon ones.
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wertologist (10/17/2015) [-] That's not an excuse on why they have to change the style so drastically. Just look at the main post for an example. They are making a Ratchet and Clank game with the same graphics style as the games.
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wertologist (10/17/2015) [-] That still isn't an excuse. Having a different team doesn't really justify changing the entire graphical design style. If I started to draw for a Batman comic and I was on a different team than the last one, that doesn't really let me make him wear pink. I'm not even sure it's a different team, but it probably is.
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itskennyandjosh ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] I like bently's new look, sly is just eh, but murray is just a big no, his nose is bigger than mario's, and his nose holes are as big as his eyes
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] Did you watch the trailer? Trust me, Bentley looks okay-ish in this picture, but in the trailer he looks hideous. He has teeth in the trailer. You know how awkward it is to look at a turtle with teeth? He had teeth in the games, but it looked fine because it was just a white line in a cartoony game. This realistic looking Bentley is just weird looking.
Sly looks like a human in a furry costume.
Murray looks like a morbidly obese man. In the games Murray had a big gut, but he wasn't obese and didn't have a massive tumor chin.
Don't get me wrong, I will still watch the **** out of this movie. I love Sly games. I just wish they stuck with the cartoon graphics.
Sly looks like a human in a furry costume.
Murray looks like a morbidly obese man. In the games Murray had a big gut, but he wasn't obese and didn't have a massive tumor chin.
Don't get me wrong, I will still watch the **** out of this movie. I love Sly games. I just wish they stuck with the cartoon graphics.
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itskennyandjosh ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] I just seen the trailer and i see whatcha mean, they could tone down the teeth and make them smaller, i'm glad they kept the voice actors for this though cause if it was a completely new voice then that'd just kill it. And i think sly should've stayed pantsless and kept him in the old costume to make it look better at least and there's nothing positive to say about murray, he just needs changes.
But i'm gonna see that movie and see if its any good.
I sure hope they don't **** up on the plot of it, they got their personalities good on my opinion, but i haven't played the sly games since the 3rd one came out but i remember it really well
But i'm gonna see that movie and see if its any good.
I sure hope they don't **** up on the plot of it, they got their personalities good on my opinion, but i haven't played the sly games since the 3rd one came out but i remember it really well
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] They didn't get the same voice actors actually. They got Bentley and I think Murray(still need to look up if it's the same one as in 1/2 or the other guy in 3. Sly is a completely different actor. I know that for certain.
I don't think they got their personalities down. Sly never really sighs like he did in the trailer. That's not really his style. Sly is always confident and well sly. Murray is a gluton, but he never was crippled by hunger. Especially for a donut. I think they got Bentley fine in terms of personality, but not much else.
I don't think they got their personalities down. Sly never really sighs like he did in the trailer. That's not really his style. Sly is always confident and well sly. Murray is a gluton, but he never was crippled by hunger. Especially for a donut. I think they got Bentley fine in terms of personality, but not much else.
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itskennyandjosh ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] Yeah murray is just a fat blob who looks useless, i knew murray wasn't the same at all.
I meant bently and sly, well from my knowledge of sly, which isn't much and bently
was always the serious one.
Okay so here's my knowledge of the games
Sly wasn't ever serious in the games, he told jokes and possibly annoyed bently
Murray was helpful being the brute in the game, wasn't serious either
And Bently was the brains of the stuff, he got wheelchair bound in the first game so i always hated playing as him, sure he has useful stuff but he wasn't ever fun for me to play as, but his mini games were fun
I meant bently and sly, well from my knowledge of sly, which isn't much and bently
was always the serious one.
Okay so here's my knowledge of the games
Sly wasn't ever serious in the games, he told jokes and possibly annoyed bently
Murray was helpful being the brute in the game, wasn't serious either
And Bently was the brains of the stuff, he got wheelchair bound in the first game so i always hated playing as him, sure he has useful stuff but he wasn't ever fun for me to play as, but his mini games were fun
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] Sly was usually the the flirtatious character(to the women) and told jokes
Murray was the brute, but he tried to be serious often.
Bentley was the more serious one of the group, but that doesn't mean he was a serious character. He just was more serious than the others. He was big on making plans, but he rarely put a lot of serious attitude in them unless he or Sly/Murray was in trouble or when he needed to get the point across. During the motion comic scenes that he narrates, he's usually talking in an up-beat tone. I wouldn't call him serious. More along the lines of nervous and cautious. An example is that he wears a helmet while out on the field. It's not necessary, but I feel he does it to try to keep safer.
Murray was the brute, but he tried to be serious often.
Bentley was the more serious one of the group, but that doesn't mean he was a serious character. He just was more serious than the others. He was big on making plans, but he rarely put a lot of serious attitude in them unless he or Sly/Murray was in trouble or when he needed to get the point across. During the motion comic scenes that he narrates, he's usually talking in an up-beat tone. I wouldn't call him serious. More along the lines of nervous and cautious. An example is that he wears a helmet while out on the field. It's not necessary, but I feel he does it to try to keep safer.
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swirlytwirl ONLINE (10/15/2015) [-] what?
what does the look of a character have to do with it being a movie or a video game?
I'm just saying that they barely resemble the actual characters and that they should do just like the R&C movie is doing right now and stay true to the look of the characters.
what does the look of a character have to do with it being a movie or a video game?
I'm just saying that they barely resemble the actual characters and that they should do just like the R&C movie is doing right now and stay true to the look of the characters.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] They kind of did worse that Sonic Boom when it comes to the design. Those characters barely resemble the game characters. The games were very close a comic book in terms of graphics and design. In this movie they tried to put as much detail as they can to make them look more like people/detailedanimals. Murray looks like an abomination. Much worse than how Knuckles changed in Boom. Bentley looks like he has a thumb up his ass. Sly looks like they wanted to make him look more human than cartoon. That is the body of a human with the head of a raccoon. The games were not so. Only the female characters in the game had bodies that were close to human figure. Sly's body in the games were far more cartoony than human.
Visually it's almost insulting to change them so much. I also wish they could have gotten Sly's original voice actor for it. His voice was perfect for the role. The new voice seems very out of place.
Visually it's almost insulting to change them so much. I also wish they could have gotten Sly's original voice actor for it. His voice was perfect for the role. The new voice seems very out of place.
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
Bentley doesn't look right. His glasses almost always covered his eyes and the animation style made it so you couldn't see his pupils. They should have kept it in the regular cartoon style. It would have looked much better.
Also, don't reply to a comment unless you unblocked them.
Also, don't reply to a comment unless you unblocked them.
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angelious (10/16/2015) [-] the glasses always covering ones eyes is REALLY awkward for cartoons...comic books yes, anime yes.
but once you start going to cartoon style it starts looking stupid..unless you crank it to full looney toons style morning cartoon.
in which case this would have been somewhat worse than it is now.
but once you start going to cartoon style it starts looking stupid..unless you crank it to full looney toons style morning cartoon.
in which case this would have been somewhat worse than it is now.
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
It's not awkward. That's the style of the game. It worked great so why change it? They all look horrible.
"but once you start going to cartoon style it starts looking stupid"
Have you even played the games? That's the whole style of the game. That's what they started at. They didn't go from realistic to cartoon. It was always cartoon. It is a cartoon game. It even has the "WHAM!" pop up sound effects when you hit people.
"in which case this would have been somewhat worse than it is now."
Seriously, have you even played or seen the games? They were all very well received. I have yet to try the Thieves in Time yet, but I'm talking about the first three games. They all had the same cartoons style. It was a blend of cartoon and comic and it worked very well. I've never met someone who played them to hate it or it's cartoon style.
A cartoon style does not automatically ruin something. Look at Wind Waker. It was a cartoon style game, but it was amazing. Animation style doesn't ruin anything. It's what the game/movie is itself that does.
Again, it's pretty petty to block people.
"but once you start going to cartoon style it starts looking stupid"
Have you even played the games? That's the whole style of the game. That's what they started at. They didn't go from realistic to cartoon. It was always cartoon. It is a cartoon game. It even has the "WHAM!" pop up sound effects when you hit people.
"in which case this would have been somewhat worse than it is now."
Seriously, have you even played or seen the games? They were all very well received. I have yet to try the Thieves in Time yet, but I'm talking about the first three games. They all had the same cartoons style. It was a blend of cartoon and comic and it worked very well. I've never met someone who played them to hate it or it's cartoon style.
A cartoon style does not automatically ruin something. Look at Wind Waker. It was a cartoon style game, but it was amazing. Animation style doesn't ruin anything. It's what the game/movie is itself that does.
Again, it's pretty petty to block people.
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angelious (10/16/2015) [-] games,comics =/= cartoons.
and there is still a difference in how a game looks and how a cartoon looks. no matter what style it is based on. to give you another example: asuras wrath was designed to look like anime.
and you again try to set a game example to validate why it works as a cartoon(and legend of zelda cartoons btw..sucked)
and if i have blocked you then its most likely because you have either said something extremely retarded,or because you are a troll.
also, exactly who are you again?
and there is still a difference in how a game looks and how a cartoon looks. no matter what style it is based on. to give you another example: asuras wrath was designed to look like anime.
and you again try to set a game example to validate why it works as a cartoon(and legend of zelda cartoons btw..sucked)
and if i have blocked you then its most likely because you have either said something extremely retarded,or because you are a troll.
also, exactly who are you again?
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
"games,comics =/= cartoons"
Well no **** . They are three different things, but all the games use a cartoon style animation and it draws from comic books when it comes to combat and sound effects. All of the "between story movies" were done in the form of a motion comic book.
"there is still a difference in how a game looks and how a cartoon looks"
What is your definition of a cartoon? By definition, anime is a cartoon. A game or movie CAN have cartoon style graphics. Many have done already done so. That's what the Sly games have. Cartoon style graphics. They used cartoons and comic books as inspiration for the games.
"and you again try to set a game example to validate why it works as a cartoon(and legend of zelda cartoons btw..sucked)"
When did I mention the Zelda cartoon? How did I bring up the Zelda cartoon? Did I say it was good? No, I said Wind Waker. That game had cartoon graphics and it was very well received. It is still praised today.
I asked you if you ever played the games and you did not answer me so it's safe to assume you have not. If you played them then you would know exactly what I'm talking about. Just watch this video and see for yourself. It has cartoon styled graphics and works just fine. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikHoodjPiE
You are one of two people to ever block me here. You blocked me because we had a debate about Day Z and you bitched out and blocked me after thumbing down all my comments.
I'm the same guy you replied to when you commented, dumbass. That's why I put the "don't reply to a comment unless you unblocked them."
Well no **** . They are three different things, but all the games use a cartoon style animation and it draws from comic books when it comes to combat and sound effects. All of the "between story movies" were done in the form of a motion comic book.
"there is still a difference in how a game looks and how a cartoon looks"
What is your definition of a cartoon? By definition, anime is a cartoon. A game or movie CAN have cartoon style graphics. Many have done already done so. That's what the Sly games have. Cartoon style graphics. They used cartoons and comic books as inspiration for the games.
"and you again try to set a game example to validate why it works as a cartoon(and legend of zelda cartoons btw..sucked)"
When did I mention the Zelda cartoon? How did I bring up the Zelda cartoon? Did I say it was good? No, I said Wind Waker. That game had cartoon graphics and it was very well received. It is still praised today.
I asked you if you ever played the games and you did not answer me so it's safe to assume you have not. If you played them then you would know exactly what I'm talking about. Just watch this video and see for yourself. It has cartoon styled graphics and works just fine. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikHoodjPiE
You are one of two people to ever block me here. You blocked me because we had a debate about Day Z and you bitched out and blocked me after thumbing down all my comments.
I'm the same guy you replied to when you commented, dumbass. That's why I put the "don't reply to a comment unless you unblocked them."
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angelious (10/16/2015) [-] games do not put nearly as much detail into animation as cartoons do, as their main focus is gameplay(something that cartoons lack) and all of the "between story movies" were done via cartoon.
anime is eastern style cartoon, the thing we usually refer to as cartoons, are the western style cartoons. and again cartoons =/= games.
and for the fifth time: cartoons=/= games. you completely ignored my main argument for the sake of attacking a btw thrown in there.
yes i have, i ignored that part since it should already be obvious that i have played the games to anybody with atleast one working braincell..yet again it seems i overestimated you...
and no...doesnt really ring a bell...but looking at the quality of your arguing here..i can see why i wouldnt remember something as shoddy as this..
anime is eastern style cartoon, the thing we usually refer to as cartoons, are the western style cartoons. and again cartoons =/= games.
and for the fifth time: cartoons=/= games. you completely ignored my main argument for the sake of attacking a btw thrown in there.
yes i have, i ignored that part since it should already be obvious that i have played the games to anybody with atleast one working braincell..yet again it seems i overestimated you...
and no...doesnt really ring a bell...but looking at the quality of your arguing here..i can see why i wouldnt remember something as shoddy as this..
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
"games do not put nearly as much detail into animation as cartoons do"
You are generalizing every game right there. First, I said cartoon style. As in, it looks like a cartoon game because that's what it is. You think every cartoon has to be well detailed? If anything, most games put more effort into animating. The 3D models often have to have more animations than 2D cartoons. Again, look at Wind Waker. It had cartoon style graphics and it was still full of animation. The "between the story" movies were done in the form of motion comics. They used still pictures and slightly animated them. Watch the Sly 1 ending: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8h_619CKFA . It shows what I'm talking about. Motion comics. If it was a cartoon, it would be more animated and less still. The scenes are slightly animated yes, but that's what a motion comic is.
"anime is eastern style cartoon, the thing we usually refer to as cartoons, are the western style cartoons. and again cartoons =/= games. "
Like I said, anime is a cartoon. It's usually in a different style, but that's not the point. When did I say a game was a cartoon? I said games can have a cartoon style. Sly Cooper is proof of that. So is Wind Waker and many other games.
"and for the fifth time: cartoons=/= games. you completely ignored my main argument for the sake of attacking a btw thrown in there. "
Again, I did not say they were the same. I said that games can have a cartoon style. How is that hard to comprehend? I can list tons of games that do.
"yes i have, i ignored that part since it should already be obvious that i have played the games to anybody with atleast one working braincell..yet again it seems i overestimated you... "
It was not obvious since you didn't take notice of the fact that the game is styled like a cartoon. Skip to 0:49: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr5pNWXukp8 . They straight up say they wanted it to look like a cartoon.
"and no...doesnt really ring a bell...but looking at the quality of your arguing here..i can see why i wouldnt remember something as shoddy as this.."
And that is almost the same as what you said then. I'm would bring up references including links and definitions, but it's "shoddy"? All you did was deny them without any proof of concept. I literally just gave you the words from the creators in this comment stating that they wanted it to be a cartoon game. If you still can't accept that then you are truly daft. If I remember correctly, the last time we had a debate you slowly went from making points to trying to insult me. It kept going until the point where you didn't have a counter argument so you blocked me and thumbed down everything to make it look like you were right.
You still keep trying to insult my intelligence, but you can't even spell correctly. Nor have you brought any counter argument. You basically just said "nah, its not" without providing any kind of reference. If you think including references is "shoddy", then you really are a dumb ass that does not know how a debate works.
You are generalizing every game right there. First, I said cartoon style. As in, it looks like a cartoon game because that's what it is. You think every cartoon has to be well detailed? If anything, most games put more effort into animating. The 3D models often have to have more animations than 2D cartoons. Again, look at Wind Waker. It had cartoon style graphics and it was still full of animation. The "between the story" movies were done in the form of motion comics. They used still pictures and slightly animated them. Watch the Sly 1 ending: www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8h_619CKFA . It shows what I'm talking about. Motion comics. If it was a cartoon, it would be more animated and less still. The scenes are slightly animated yes, but that's what a motion comic is.
"anime is eastern style cartoon, the thing we usually refer to as cartoons, are the western style cartoons. and again cartoons =/= games. "
Like I said, anime is a cartoon. It's usually in a different style, but that's not the point. When did I say a game was a cartoon? I said games can have a cartoon style. Sly Cooper is proof of that. So is Wind Waker and many other games.
"and for the fifth time: cartoons=/= games. you completely ignored my main argument for the sake of attacking a btw thrown in there. "
Again, I did not say they were the same. I said that games can have a cartoon style. How is that hard to comprehend? I can list tons of games that do.
"yes i have, i ignored that part since it should already be obvious that i have played the games to anybody with atleast one working braincell..yet again it seems i overestimated you... "
It was not obvious since you didn't take notice of the fact that the game is styled like a cartoon. Skip to 0:49: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr5pNWXukp8 . They straight up say they wanted it to look like a cartoon.
"and no...doesnt really ring a bell...but looking at the quality of your arguing here..i can see why i wouldnt remember something as shoddy as this.."
And that is almost the same as what you said then. I'm would bring up references including links and definitions, but it's "shoddy"? All you did was deny them without any proof of concept. I literally just gave you the words from the creators in this comment stating that they wanted it to be a cartoon game. If you still can't accept that then you are truly daft. If I remember correctly, the last time we had a debate you slowly went from making points to trying to insult me. It kept going until the point where you didn't have a counter argument so you blocked me and thumbed down everything to make it look like you were right.
You still keep trying to insult my intelligence, but you can't even spell correctly. Nor have you brought any counter argument. You basically just said "nah, its not" without providing any kind of reference. If you think including references is "shoddy", then you really are a dumb ass that does not know how a debate works.
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angelious (10/16/2015) [-] i generalized because it is the truth, a game simply cannot put as much effort and time into animation as a cartoon can, because the game also has to offer gameplay. and yes, wind maker had cartoon style graphics,asuraäs wrath had animesque graphics and okami was trying to emulate old school japanese paintings. again; the actual thing is different from the game version. same goes for cartoons. and motion comics(specially the ones in sly games) =/= cartoons. if you truly think that would pass off as a cartoon...well i would tell you to go out more often but im not so sure you would survive the encounter...
way to ignore the whole point to continue stating your retarded claim i suppose..
and a game with a cartoon style =/= a cartoon. they imitate the style, but its nowhere near the same.
yes...something you keep spouting every third word(you have a memory of a goldfish as well now?) and something that has been refuted several times...
i actually dont thump people down unless they thump me down first. its just bad form, as for "losing the argument and insulting you" more likely i can see you just being a whine bitch about getting called stupid for saying something stupid and me getting bored of it... what was that argument about anyway? and was it really such a traumatizing experience for you that you have held a grudge for me all this time?
and considering this entire time you have done nothing else except kept repeating "gaem be styled like cartoon, there fore the style will smoothly jump over from a 3d fast paced game into a smoothly animated cartoon!"
way to ignore the whole point to continue stating your retarded claim i suppose..
and a game with a cartoon style =/= a cartoon. they imitate the style, but its nowhere near the same.
yes...something you keep spouting every third word(you have a memory of a goldfish as well now?) and something that has been refuted several times...
i actually dont thump people down unless they thump me down first. its just bad form, as for "losing the argument and insulting you" more likely i can see you just being a whine bitch about getting called stupid for saying something stupid and me getting bored of it... what was that argument about anyway? and was it really such a traumatizing experience for you that you have held a grudge for me all this time?
and considering this entire time you have done nothing else except kept repeating "gaem be styled like cartoon, there fore the style will smoothly jump over from a 3d fast paced game into a smoothly animated cartoon!"
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
That is not the truth and is far from it. Have you ever played Last of Us? They put crazy amounts of effort into animating. The mo-capped the actors to get the animations. Ever play the Arkham games? They put a lot of time into developing Batman's camp. I read it was two years they worked on the cape. Just the cape. Depending on the quality of the cartoon, it doesn't take nearly as long as a game. Typically, a basic cartoon can whip out the animations in a few short weeks. South park pumps out an episode in five days. When it comes to animating in games, you have to take in consideration how the player moves. Maybe the player wants to walk instead of run and then randomly start jumping. That takes a lot to combine all those animations to be fluid.
"...because the game also has to offer gameplay"
You think a game can't have both fun gameplay and good animations? Many games have both and more.
"and yes, wind maker had cartoon style graphics"
That's what I said multiple times. I don't know what this "asuraäs wrath" is so I cannot comment. The Wind Waker game based the graphics on cartoons. Same as Sly Cooper.
"motion comics(specially the ones in sly games) =/= cartoons. if you truly think that would pass off as a cartoon...well i would tell you to go out more often but im not so sure you would survive the encounter... "
Are you retarded? I never said a motion comic was a cartoon. Those were your own words. "...all of the "between story movies" were done via cartoon. ". Those are your exact words. You literally just insulted yourself.
"way to ignore the whole point to continue stating your retarded claim i suppose.. "
Which point did I ignore? I addressed every claim you made.
"i actually dont thump people down unless they thump me down first. its just bad form, as for "losing the argument and insulting you" more likely i can see you just being a whine bitch about getting called stupid for saying something stupid and me getting bored of it... what was that argument about anyway? and was it really such a traumatizing experience for you that you have held a grudge for me all this time? "
Except that's what you did before. You thumbed everything down and then blocked me. That's very petty thing to do. Because you couldn't debate properly, you blocked me. The argument was about how Day Z wasn't a survival horror game. If you think it was traumatizing for me then you're an idiot. As I mentioned before, you are one of two people to ever block me and you did it mid-debate. That makes it easy to pin a name down. If I run into a person that blocks me, I know that they blocked me for either A or B. I didn't obsess about it. I went on with my life and didn't think about it again until now because like I said, you were one of two people to block me. It's not hard to figure out when and why.
"and considering this entire time you have done nothing else except kept repeating "gaem be styled like cartoon, there fore the style will smoothly jump over from a 3d fast paced game into a smoothly animated cartoon!""
That's because that's my whole point. I keep stating it because you simply just deny it without reason. I even gave you words from the creators of the games themselves saying it was a cartoon styled game. How is it that hard to comprehend? The graphics are obviously cartoony. The characters have outlines for ***** sake. They have don't have a whole lot of detail in their graphics. Just colors and shading. That's a cartoon style. I've seen cartoons with more details and some with less. Have you ever seen a cartoon that made a game? nicoblog.org/psp/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/13041033753_98598895ed_o.jpg
That's a literal cartoon game. They made numerous Spongebob games and they all have cartoon graphics. These graphics are very similar to what the Sly games have.
"...because the game also has to offer gameplay"
You think a game can't have both fun gameplay and good animations? Many games have both and more.
"and yes, wind maker had cartoon style graphics"
That's what I said multiple times. I don't know what this "asuraäs wrath" is so I cannot comment. The Wind Waker game based the graphics on cartoons. Same as Sly Cooper.
"motion comics(specially the ones in sly games) =/= cartoons. if you truly think that would pass off as a cartoon...well i would tell you to go out more often but im not so sure you would survive the encounter... "
Are you retarded? I never said a motion comic was a cartoon. Those were your own words. "...all of the "between story movies" were done via cartoon. ". Those are your exact words. You literally just insulted yourself.
"way to ignore the whole point to continue stating your retarded claim i suppose.. "
Which point did I ignore? I addressed every claim you made.
"i actually dont thump people down unless they thump me down first. its just bad form, as for "losing the argument and insulting you" more likely i can see you just being a whine bitch about getting called stupid for saying something stupid and me getting bored of it... what was that argument about anyway? and was it really such a traumatizing experience for you that you have held a grudge for me all this time? "
Except that's what you did before. You thumbed everything down and then blocked me. That's very petty thing to do. Because you couldn't debate properly, you blocked me. The argument was about how Day Z wasn't a survival horror game. If you think it was traumatizing for me then you're an idiot. As I mentioned before, you are one of two people to ever block me and you did it mid-debate. That makes it easy to pin a name down. If I run into a person that blocks me, I know that they blocked me for either A or B. I didn't obsess about it. I went on with my life and didn't think about it again until now because like I said, you were one of two people to block me. It's not hard to figure out when and why.
"and considering this entire time you have done nothing else except kept repeating "gaem be styled like cartoon, there fore the style will smoothly jump over from a 3d fast paced game into a smoothly animated cartoon!""
That's because that's my whole point. I keep stating it because you simply just deny it without reason. I even gave you words from the creators of the games themselves saying it was a cartoon styled game. How is it that hard to comprehend? The graphics are obviously cartoony. The characters have outlines for ***** sake. They have don't have a whole lot of detail in their graphics. Just colors and shading. That's a cartoon style. I've seen cartoons with more details and some with less. Have you ever seen a cartoon that made a game? nicoblog.org/psp/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/13041033753_98598895ed_o.jpg
That's a literal cartoon game. They made numerous Spongebob games and they all have cartoon graphics. These graphics are very similar to what the Sly games have.
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angelious (10/16/2015) [-] god. are you writing a novel?
and? a lot of time, yes. is it still the same as the process that goes to making cartoons: no.
no at all what i meant with that..but nice strawman
asuras wrath, as i said:is a video game with animesque graphics. and as is the case of sly cooper and wind maker: it still would need fine tuning if you wanted to import the idea into cartoon/anime format(you can see this pretty easily in aw, since they did import it into anime)
i insulted myself by reminding you that motion comics(which you were trying to sell as cartoons) are not cartoons?
if by adressing, you meant ignoring my statements and repeating the same argument over and over again. then sure?
well i mean...i can either trust a retarded anon...or i can trust my own moral code on what i did...and i can assure you: i still dont thump people down just because they are retards,specially if i am debating them. and considering you immediately remembered my name, and you seem to have a vivid recollection of some random internet argument you lost....yeah that comes across as a tad salty...
except when i have stated the reasons? games arent cartoons, even if the graphics and animation of the game is based on cartoons, its nowhere near the same level of detail as they put into a cartoon. if they tried to fully emulate what the game looked like; we would end up with corny and clunky animation that would be passable for a video game cutscene. but not for a feature length movie.
and? a lot of time, yes. is it still the same as the process that goes to making cartoons: no.
no at all what i meant with that..but nice strawman
asuras wrath, as i said:is a video game with animesque graphics. and as is the case of sly cooper and wind maker: it still would need fine tuning if you wanted to import the idea into cartoon/anime format(you can see this pretty easily in aw, since they did import it into anime)
i insulted myself by reminding you that motion comics(which you were trying to sell as cartoons) are not cartoons?
if by adressing, you meant ignoring my statements and repeating the same argument over and over again. then sure?
well i mean...i can either trust a retarded anon...or i can trust my own moral code on what i did...and i can assure you: i still dont thump people down just because they are retards,specially if i am debating them. and considering you immediately remembered my name, and you seem to have a vivid recollection of some random internet argument you lost....yeah that comes across as a tad salty...
except when i have stated the reasons? games arent cartoons, even if the graphics and animation of the game is based on cartoons, its nowhere near the same level of detail as they put into a cartoon. if they tried to fully emulate what the game looked like; we would end up with corny and clunky animation that would be passable for a video game cutscene. but not for a feature length movie.
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
"is it still the same as the process that goes to making cartoons: no. "
Neither of us said it was the same process. I actually said it took more effort. You said "a game simply cannot put as much effort and time into animation as a cartoon can". What is your reasoning on that? They can both equally put in the same amount of effort, but it can take a game even more effort.
How is that a strawman? Those are your own words. I'm not trying to jump all around like you. I'm sticking to my point.
" it still would need fine tuning if you wanted to import the idea into cartoon/anime format"
We're not talking about turning a game into a cartoon or anime. Quite the opposite. We're talking about how the Sly games have a cartoon style.
"i insulted myself by reminding you that motion comics(which you were trying to sell as cartoons) are not cartoons? "
When was I trying to "sell" a motion comic as a cartoon? Please, show me where I said that. I said they used motion comics for some of their scenes.
"well i mean...i can either trust a retarded anon...or i can trust my own moral code on what i did...and i can assure you: i still dont thump people down just because they are retards,specially if i am debating them. and considering you immediately remembered my name, and you seem to have a vivid recollection of some random internet argument you lost....yeah that comes across as a tad salty... "
If you think I'm an anon then you are the retard. You know which user I am since I told you twice. I'm posting as anon because you bitched out and blocked me. Forgive me if I don't trust your word, but you are jumping all over the place with what you say. Like I said, I remembered it because it was one of two times I got blocked by someone. It doesn't take a whole lot to figure out who blocked me and for why since there are only two cases to look at. It was also not a long time ago. I don't remember it vividly like you say. I can remember what the debate was about. How exactly did I lose the argument? I do remember that you never provided any sort of reference just like you didn't do here. I pull of references and definitions. You just say "nope".
" games arent cartoons, even if the graphics and animation of the game is based on cartoons, its nowhere near the same level of detail as they put into a cartoon."
When did I say a game was a cartoon? I said the game had cartoon graphics. You seriously are dumb as **** if you think all cartoons are super detailed to the point that no game can possibly have more detail. I can't decide if you're a troll or just dumb as **** . Look at Fairly Odd Parents. It's a very simple cartoon. They usually make cartoons with easy to draw characters so they can produce them faster. Not all anime is extremely detailed either. I have yet to see an anime that tops pretty much any modern day game. Can you name an anime that has more detail than Last of Us?
All this time you keep ignoring the fact that I linked a commentary video that had the creators said the game had a cartoon style. What are you're thoughts on that? Do you have any counter points? Or are you going to continue to pretend it doesn't exist?
Neither of us said it was the same process. I actually said it took more effort. You said "a game simply cannot put as much effort and time into animation as a cartoon can". What is your reasoning on that? They can both equally put in the same amount of effort, but it can take a game even more effort.
How is that a strawman? Those are your own words. I'm not trying to jump all around like you. I'm sticking to my point.
" it still would need fine tuning if you wanted to import the idea into cartoon/anime format"
We're not talking about turning a game into a cartoon or anime. Quite the opposite. We're talking about how the Sly games have a cartoon style.
"i insulted myself by reminding you that motion comics(which you were trying to sell as cartoons) are not cartoons? "
When was I trying to "sell" a motion comic as a cartoon? Please, show me where I said that. I said they used motion comics for some of their scenes.
"well i mean...i can either trust a retarded anon...or i can trust my own moral code on what i did...and i can assure you: i still dont thump people down just because they are retards,specially if i am debating them. and considering you immediately remembered my name, and you seem to have a vivid recollection of some random internet argument you lost....yeah that comes across as a tad salty... "
If you think I'm an anon then you are the retard. You know which user I am since I told you twice. I'm posting as anon because you bitched out and blocked me. Forgive me if I don't trust your word, but you are jumping all over the place with what you say. Like I said, I remembered it because it was one of two times I got blocked by someone. It doesn't take a whole lot to figure out who blocked me and for why since there are only two cases to look at. It was also not a long time ago. I don't remember it vividly like you say. I can remember what the debate was about. How exactly did I lose the argument? I do remember that you never provided any sort of reference just like you didn't do here. I pull of references and definitions. You just say "nope".
" games arent cartoons, even if the graphics and animation of the game is based on cartoons, its nowhere near the same level of detail as they put into a cartoon."
When did I say a game was a cartoon? I said the game had cartoon graphics. You seriously are dumb as **** if you think all cartoons are super detailed to the point that no game can possibly have more detail. I can't decide if you're a troll or just dumb as **** . Look at Fairly Odd Parents. It's a very simple cartoon. They usually make cartoons with easy to draw characters so they can produce them faster. Not all anime is extremely detailed either. I have yet to see an anime that tops pretty much any modern day game. Can you name an anime that has more detail than Last of Us?
All this time you keep ignoring the fact that I linked a commentary video that had the creators said the game had a cartoon style. What are you're thoughts on that? Do you have any counter points? Or are you going to continue to pretend it doesn't exist?
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angelious (10/16/2015) [-] nice strawman again...and yeah, they can do both but it wont look like a cartoon because the conscripts of having it be player controlled will stop it from achieving the same level of graphical quality.
strawman is taking a single sentence of your opponents argument and then distorting it to a point it no longer resembles the actual argument. and yes..you are sticking to your point...by not elaborating or defending it, but rather just repeating it over and over again. hoping the other party will give up.
when you replied to me saying "games arent cartoons" by reminding me that sly cooper had motion comic cutscenes?
and yea. sorry about that..i completely forgot your name again...and actually elaborating ones point of view is not jumping all over the place..its called actually validating ones view...something that you haventh done here. and again: if by referrences and definitions you mean repeating the same thing over and over again while ignoring the refutes of your opponent...then sure?
which,as i have stated NUMEROUS times; is not the same thing as an actual cartoon. and yes, there are low quality cartoons out there; but even those usually give us more detail and such compared to game animations.
asuras wrath animated series? afro samurai? just about anything from gainax or ghibli??
and all this time you ignore the fact that i have already refuted that point. a game with cartoon styled graphics =/= cartoon. a game(specially the ones that appeared during the timeline sly games appeared in) do not have as much detail in animation as cartoons normally do, because its simply not viable, and its a waste of money and effort since these details are not only unnesesary for a game to be good, but usually will just cause your game station to flog up. even last of us ,the game which you consider to be on par with top class animation standards of full length feature movies; has bad animation compared to most cartoons.
again: you ignore what i say, you strawman the **** out of my arguments and then you try to claim that I ignore your arguments? despite the fact i have detailed numerous times my point of view, while the only thing you have done is repeat the same thing over and over again while ignoring MY arguments.
now i could throw the "i dont know if you are a troll or a retard" argument back at you...but i think its quite clear that you are just plain and simple retard :/
strawman is taking a single sentence of your opponents argument and then distorting it to a point it no longer resembles the actual argument. and yes..you are sticking to your point...by not elaborating or defending it, but rather just repeating it over and over again. hoping the other party will give up.
when you replied to me saying "games arent cartoons" by reminding me that sly cooper had motion comic cutscenes?
and yea. sorry about that..i completely forgot your name again...and actually elaborating ones point of view is not jumping all over the place..its called actually validating ones view...something that you haventh done here. and again: if by referrences and definitions you mean repeating the same thing over and over again while ignoring the refutes of your opponent...then sure?
which,as i have stated NUMEROUS times; is not the same thing as an actual cartoon. and yes, there are low quality cartoons out there; but even those usually give us more detail and such compared to game animations.
asuras wrath animated series? afro samurai? just about anything from gainax or ghibli??
and all this time you ignore the fact that i have already refuted that point. a game with cartoon styled graphics =/= cartoon. a game(specially the ones that appeared during the timeline sly games appeared in) do not have as much detail in animation as cartoons normally do, because its simply not viable, and its a waste of money and effort since these details are not only unnesesary for a game to be good, but usually will just cause your game station to flog up. even last of us ,the game which you consider to be on par with top class animation standards of full length feature movies; has bad animation compared to most cartoons.
again: you ignore what i say, you strawman the **** out of my arguments and then you try to claim that I ignore your arguments? despite the fact i have detailed numerous times my point of view, while the only thing you have done is repeat the same thing over and over again while ignoring MY arguments.
now i could throw the "i dont know if you are a troll or a retard" argument back at you...but i think its quite clear that you are just plain and simple retard :/
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
How is that a strawman? I'm asking you what your reasoning is.
" it wont look like a cartoon because the conscripts of having it be player controlled will stop it from achieving the same level of graphical quality. "
It obviously can look like a cartoon since it does. Being player controlled doesn't affect how a game can look. How is it being player controlled stopping it from having cartoon graphics? That is a retarded argument.
First of all, that's not what a strawman is.
" a weak or imaginary argument or opponent that is set up to be easily defeated"
That's what a strawman is. Second of all, how am I distorting your words? I literally copied it and then pasted it in quotes. How is that distorting it? I pasted what you said word for word. If I was distorting it, I would reword it.
"you are sticking to your point...by not elaborating or defending it, but rather just repeating it over and over again. "
I certainly am defending it. You are the one who is giving nothing to back up your claims. I gave you words from the creators themselves and you have YET to even acknowledge it. Every point I make you either flat out deny it or ignore it.
"i completely forgot your name again"
It's not hard to scroll up.
How am I not validating my views? I list my points and give reference to support it. If I repeat something it means that you haven't acknowledged it. Like the commentary video. Seriously, what are your thoughts on that?
"an actual cartoon"
You do realize cartoons have very little qualifications? Pretty much anything animated is considered a cartoon. Hell, even a drawing can be considered a cartoon.
": a drawing in a newspaper or magazine intended as a humorous comment on something
: a series of drawings that tell a story
: a film or television show made by photographing a series of drawings : an animated film or television show" -Webster dictionary
"asuras wrath animated series? afro samurai? just about anything from gainax or ghibli?? "
Asura's Wrath is a game. You are literally saying a game can't beat a games graphics. Afro Samurai is a 2D anime. They only put details into the 2D scenes. Video games can put detail into far more because you can wander around. Same thing with Gainax and Ghibli. I'm not saying they don't have detail. I'm saying that it's not impossible for a game to have more detail since many games do. The Last of Us is a good example. It has extreme detail. All the characters are mo-capped actors. All those expressions and actions were done by the actors. They acted the cinematic scenes out in real life with mo-cap suits. How is that not more detailed than a 2D anime? Every character has so much effort put into their design.
"a game(specially the ones that appeared during the timeline sly games appeared in) do not have as much detail in animation as cartoons normally do"
First, you never specified what time the games could be compared. Even if you did that's ******* retarded. That's like saying "find something that is more detailed, but you can't go to the time where they had better technology". I never said Sly Cooper had better graphics than any of the anime or cartoons you listed. I never even implied it. You keep pulling up "Asuras Wrath" as a staple point, but that came out in 2012. You then say I can only pick a game from the same era as Sly Cooper? That's retarded. Graphics are often limited by the engine. Nowadays that's not so much of an issue. You can put so much detail into a game that it actually looks real. How is a 2D anime more detailed than that?
"its a waste of money and effort since these details are not only unnesesary for a game to be good, but usually will just cause your game station to flog up. "
You do realize many games try to ride on the "HD graphics" train right? Even so, that's not the point at all. You said it wasn't possible for a game to have more detail than a cartoon. Now you are saying they can, but it isn't practical.
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" it wont look like a cartoon because the conscripts of having it be player controlled will stop it from achieving the same level of graphical quality. "
It obviously can look like a cartoon since it does. Being player controlled doesn't affect how a game can look. How is it being player controlled stopping it from having cartoon graphics? That is a retarded argument.
First of all, that's not what a strawman is.
" a weak or imaginary argument or opponent that is set up to be easily defeated"
That's what a strawman is. Second of all, how am I distorting your words? I literally copied it and then pasted it in quotes. How is that distorting it? I pasted what you said word for word. If I was distorting it, I would reword it.
"you are sticking to your point...by not elaborating or defending it, but rather just repeating it over and over again. "
I certainly am defending it. You are the one who is giving nothing to back up your claims. I gave you words from the creators themselves and you have YET to even acknowledge it. Every point I make you either flat out deny it or ignore it.
"i completely forgot your name again"
It's not hard to scroll up.
How am I not validating my views? I list my points and give reference to support it. If I repeat something it means that you haven't acknowledged it. Like the commentary video. Seriously, what are your thoughts on that?
"an actual cartoon"
You do realize cartoons have very little qualifications? Pretty much anything animated is considered a cartoon. Hell, even a drawing can be considered a cartoon.
": a drawing in a newspaper or magazine intended as a humorous comment on something
: a series of drawings that tell a story
: a film or television show made by photographing a series of drawings : an animated film or television show" -Webster dictionary
"asuras wrath animated series? afro samurai? just about anything from gainax or ghibli?? "
Asura's Wrath is a game. You are literally saying a game can't beat a games graphics. Afro Samurai is a 2D anime. They only put details into the 2D scenes. Video games can put detail into far more because you can wander around. Same thing with Gainax and Ghibli. I'm not saying they don't have detail. I'm saying that it's not impossible for a game to have more detail since many games do. The Last of Us is a good example. It has extreme detail. All the characters are mo-capped actors. All those expressions and actions were done by the actors. They acted the cinematic scenes out in real life with mo-cap suits. How is that not more detailed than a 2D anime? Every character has so much effort put into their design.
"a game(specially the ones that appeared during the timeline sly games appeared in) do not have as much detail in animation as cartoons normally do"
First, you never specified what time the games could be compared. Even if you did that's ******* retarded. That's like saying "find something that is more detailed, but you can't go to the time where they had better technology". I never said Sly Cooper had better graphics than any of the anime or cartoons you listed. I never even implied it. You keep pulling up "Asuras Wrath" as a staple point, but that came out in 2012. You then say I can only pick a game from the same era as Sly Cooper? That's retarded. Graphics are often limited by the engine. Nowadays that's not so much of an issue. You can put so much detail into a game that it actually looks real. How is a 2D anime more detailed than that?
"its a waste of money and effort since these details are not only unnesesary for a game to be good, but usually will just cause your game station to flog up. "
You do realize many games try to ride on the "HD graphics" train right? Even so, that's not the point at all. You said it wasn't possible for a game to have more detail than a cartoon. Now you are saying they can, but it isn't practical.
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angelious (10/17/2015) [-] thats...exactly what strawman is...you nitpick a sentence and twist it for your own needs...
Person 1 asserts proposition X.
Person 2 argues against a false but superficially similar proposition Y, as if an argument against Y were an argument against X
well for instance you claimed that i had claimed "gaming and cartoons are the same process"
and if by "im debating everything you spit out" you mean "im ignoring everything you say and just repeating the same thing over and over again" then sure?
it resembles a cartoon. if you really think it actually plays out like a cartoon then you really need your eyes checked.
Person 1 asserts proposition X.
Person 2 argues against a false but superficially similar proposition Y, as if an argument against Y were an argument against X
well for instance you claimed that i had claimed "gaming and cartoons are the same process"
and if by "im debating everything you spit out" you mean "im ignoring everything you say and just repeating the same thing over and over again" then sure?
it resembles a cartoon. if you really think it actually plays out like a cartoon then you really need your eyes checked.
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angelious (10/16/2015) [-] my argument was never that you claimed "it was the same process" yet you twisted it to it,.aka a strawman
except it doesnt..it looks like a low budject saturday morning cartoon. seriously, go watch more cartoons.
strawman comes from the art of straw picking, aka you take an argument that suits your needs, then you twist it so that it no longer resembles the original argument, and then you refute that.
if by nothing you mean actually explaining my view point and refuting the one and only argument you have put out? then yes. and i have acknowledged it. its the SAME ******** you have been trying to fling since the beginning. a game with cartoon inspired graphics is still not a cartoon, its not near the quality in terms of art when it is put up againts a proper cartoon. i have said this a hundred times, and yet you still ignore it.
repeating the same thing here so just read above,
im guessing you dont understand what ANIMATED SERIES at the end of asuras wrath means...since y know. they did make animated(and i mean properly hand drawn anime style) animations for some of the dlcs...how the **** can you miss that? and afro samurai STILL has better graphics than last of us or any other game out there. and no, its because you CAN wander around why the graphics arent at the level of proper cartoons. and last of us isnt even the most graphically rich game out there! atleast go with something like ori and the blind forest or journey; both of which have a lot more claim to being close to the quality of animation and detail as proper cartoons by the likes of gainax or ghibli. and realism =/= detail.
except most graphically pleasing stuff came out way before sly games...idk what your point there was? and i bring out asuras wrath because it HAS ACTUAL animation in it. the same studio that originally inspired the game ingame cutscenes and graphics, made animation sequences for the dlc of the game, the difference between the GAME INSPIRED BY ANIMATION and AN ACTUAL ANIMATION is most easily shown in this game. also nice strawman again; but i suppose i can write that off as just your retarded ass misinterpreting what i said.
and 2d and 3d animated features are more detailed because THEY PUT MORE DETAILS INTO EACH AND EVERY FRAME THAN GAMES. if you tried to simulate the same thing for games, your computer could be used to boil eggs by the end of the day.
and no...i never claimed it was possible for games...actually im still claiming it to be impossible "usually will just cause your game station to flog up"
nice strawman again i suppose.
also stop wallposting. its irritating and just shows lack of tack...
except it doesnt..it looks like a low budject saturday morning cartoon. seriously, go watch more cartoons.
strawman comes from the art of straw picking, aka you take an argument that suits your needs, then you twist it so that it no longer resembles the original argument, and then you refute that.
if by nothing you mean actually explaining my view point and refuting the one and only argument you have put out? then yes. and i have acknowledged it. its the SAME ******** you have been trying to fling since the beginning. a game with cartoon inspired graphics is still not a cartoon, its not near the quality in terms of art when it is put up againts a proper cartoon. i have said this a hundred times, and yet you still ignore it.
repeating the same thing here so just read above,
im guessing you dont understand what ANIMATED SERIES at the end of asuras wrath means...since y know. they did make animated(and i mean properly hand drawn anime style) animations for some of the dlcs...how the **** can you miss that? and afro samurai STILL has better graphics than last of us or any other game out there. and no, its because you CAN wander around why the graphics arent at the level of proper cartoons. and last of us isnt even the most graphically rich game out there! atleast go with something like ori and the blind forest or journey; both of which have a lot more claim to being close to the quality of animation and detail as proper cartoons by the likes of gainax or ghibli. and realism =/= detail.
except most graphically pleasing stuff came out way before sly games...idk what your point there was? and i bring out asuras wrath because it HAS ACTUAL animation in it. the same studio that originally inspired the game ingame cutscenes and graphics, made animation sequences for the dlc of the game, the difference between the GAME INSPIRED BY ANIMATION and AN ACTUAL ANIMATION is most easily shown in this game. also nice strawman again; but i suppose i can write that off as just your retarded ass misinterpreting what i said.
and 2d and 3d animated features are more detailed because THEY PUT MORE DETAILS INTO EACH AND EVERY FRAME THAN GAMES. if you tried to simulate the same thing for games, your computer could be used to boil eggs by the end of the day.
and no...i never claimed it was possible for games...actually im still claiming it to be impossible "usually will just cause your game station to flog up"
nice strawman again i suppose.
also stop wallposting. its irritating and just shows lack of tack...
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The only thing you've been explaining is that it is impossible for a video game to have more detail than any cartoon which you have given no evidence and only listed a video game, a 2D anime, and two anime producers. That's not explaining anything. You're not explaining or showing how they are superior to anything that a video game can do. You merely just say it.
"...the one and only argument you have put out? "
I have two main arguments. 1: the Sly Cooper games have cartoon graphics and 2: video games can be more detailed than anime.
"a game with cartoon inspired graphics is still not a cartoon"
When the hell did I say it was? Seriously, where did I? I actually said the opposite. Again, where did I say this? Provide a direct quote at the very least.
"im guessing you dont understand what ANIMATED SERIES at the end of asuras wrath means...since y know. they did make animated(and i mean properly hand drawn anime style) animations for some of the dlcs...how the **** can you miss that?"
I googled "asuras wrath animated series" and found nothing. If it's in the game then it's part of the ******* game and not anime you dumb ass. That's like saying any cinematic scene in a game is a movie. Second of all, Asuras Wrath is not an anime. It's a videogame. By your own words a game is not a cartoon. We both agreed that a game is not a cartoon. Do I need to put some quotes here or is that going to be me "strawmanning"?
"afro samurai STILL has better graphics"
2D graphics can never top 3D graphics on details. The 2D only has to cover what you see. 3D has to do everything around you. Not just what is in your face. I don't see how you can't understand that. It doesn't matter how well drawn Afro Samurai is, it still isn't more detailed than Last of Us(which shows extreme detail like individual hair strands).
I never said Last of Us was the most graphically rich. I listed it because it is a good example. It doesn't need to be the best to have better detail than a 2D anime.
"realism =/= detail"
When did I say it did? I said some games can have crazy amounts of detail to almost look real. I never said they were the same.
"THEY PUT MORE DETAILS INTO EACH AND EVERY FRAM"
You seem to be implying EVERY cartoon does this. The vast majority of cartoons do not put extreme detail into every ******* frame. It's not a ******* requirement. You can make a ******* animation of a stickman kicking a ball and then you have a cartoon. Is that stickman cartoon more detailed than every game out there? **** no. I'm no programmer, but I'm pretty sure games often put out the same graphics at a constant rate. Only really changing for movie scenes. Have you seen any of the HD mods for GTAV? The amount of detail put into those graphics is ridiculous and people can still run it so your point is moot.
"except most graphically pleasing stuff came out way before sly games"
My whole ******* point is that the Sly games have a cartoon style. I never said it was top of the line graphics or animation.
"i never claimed it was possible for games"
When did I say you said that? Again, provide sources.
You don't know what a strawman is. Stop using it.
You also always ignore the commentary video I posted. Need a new link to it?
Here it is again: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikHoodjPiE
Stop dodging the ******* question. What is your response to the creators saying that's the style they were going for? Go ahead, click the link and watch the video.
You keep saying I'm ignoring your arguments, but then you don't say which ones.
List which points I am ignoring and I will happily respond.
Let me underline my main point again:
The Sly games are made in a cartoon style. Here is a link where the creators flat out say that: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikHoodjPiE . Skip to 0:49 for the exact part where they say this.
Can you stop trying to change the subject to ******* anime? The whole original argument was about Sly Cooper and it's cartoon graphics.
The only thing you've been explaining is that it is impossible for a video game to have more detail than any cartoon which you have given no evidence and only listed a video game, a 2D anime, and two anime producers. That's not explaining anything. You're not explaining or showing how they are superior to anything that a video game can do. You merely just say it.
"...the one and only argument you have put out? "
I have two main arguments. 1: the Sly Cooper games have cartoon graphics and 2: video games can be more detailed than anime.
"a game with cartoon inspired graphics is still not a cartoon"
When the hell did I say it was? Seriously, where did I? I actually said the opposite. Again, where did I say this? Provide a direct quote at the very least.
"im guessing you dont understand what ANIMATED SERIES at the end of asuras wrath means...since y know. they did make animated(and i mean properly hand drawn anime style) animations for some of the dlcs...how the **** can you miss that?"
I googled "asuras wrath animated series" and found nothing. If it's in the game then it's part of the ******* game and not anime you dumb ass. That's like saying any cinematic scene in a game is a movie. Second of all, Asuras Wrath is not an anime. It's a videogame. By your own words a game is not a cartoon. We both agreed that a game is not a cartoon. Do I need to put some quotes here or is that going to be me "strawmanning"?
"afro samurai STILL has better graphics"
2D graphics can never top 3D graphics on details. The 2D only has to cover what you see. 3D has to do everything around you. Not just what is in your face. I don't see how you can't understand that. It doesn't matter how well drawn Afro Samurai is, it still isn't more detailed than Last of Us(which shows extreme detail like individual hair strands).
I never said Last of Us was the most graphically rich. I listed it because it is a good example. It doesn't need to be the best to have better detail than a 2D anime.
"realism =/= detail"
When did I say it did? I said some games can have crazy amounts of detail to almost look real. I never said they were the same.
"THEY PUT MORE DETAILS INTO EACH AND EVERY FRAM"
You seem to be implying EVERY cartoon does this. The vast majority of cartoons do not put extreme detail into every ******* frame. It's not a ******* requirement. You can make a ******* animation of a stickman kicking a ball and then you have a cartoon. Is that stickman cartoon more detailed than every game out there? **** no. I'm no programmer, but I'm pretty sure games often put out the same graphics at a constant rate. Only really changing for movie scenes. Have you seen any of the HD mods for GTAV? The amount of detail put into those graphics is ridiculous and people can still run it so your point is moot.
"except most graphically pleasing stuff came out way before sly games"
My whole ******* point is that the Sly games have a cartoon style. I never said it was top of the line graphics or animation.
"i never claimed it was possible for games"
When did I say you said that? Again, provide sources.
You don't know what a strawman is. Stop using it.
You also always ignore the commentary video I posted. Need a new link to it?
Here it is again: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikHoodjPiE
Stop dodging the ******* question. What is your response to the creators saying that's the style they were going for? Go ahead, click the link and watch the video.
You keep saying I'm ignoring your arguments, but then you don't say which ones.
List which points I am ignoring and I will happily respond.
Let me underline my main point again:
The Sly games are made in a cartoon style. Here is a link where the creators flat out say that: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UikHoodjPiE . Skip to 0:49 for the exact part where they say this.
Can you stop trying to change the subject to ******* anime? The whole original argument was about Sly Cooper and it's cartoon graphics.
You are the one who is distorting my words. What I said was "Neither of us said it was the same process" and then you chopped it up to "it was the same process".
Again, you don't seem to understand what a strawman is. A strawman is not twisting your words(which I am not doing).
"strawman comes from the art of straw picking, aka you take an argument that suits your needs, then you twist it so that it no longer resembles the original argument, and then you refute that. "
Did you ignore the dictionary definition I pulled out? You can't just make up your own definition of a word. Also, I'm not picking an argument that suits my needs. I'm debating everything you spit out. What am I twisting? I keep asking you to list example of these things you are accusing me of, but you never do. You just say I do without giving any example.
It does look like a cartoon. You are the first person I have ever seen to say it doesn't. "low budject saturday morning cartoon". Which this actually is you contradicting yourself again by saying it does.
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Again, you don't seem to understand what a strawman is. A strawman is not twisting your words(which I am not doing).
"strawman comes from the art of straw picking, aka you take an argument that suits your needs, then you twist it so that it no longer resembles the original argument, and then you refute that. "
Did you ignore the dictionary definition I pulled out? You can't just make up your own definition of a word. Also, I'm not picking an argument that suits my needs. I'm debating everything you spit out. What am I twisting? I keep asking you to list example of these things you are accusing me of, but you never do. You just say I do without giving any example.
It does look like a cartoon. You are the first person I have ever seen to say it doesn't. "low budject saturday morning cartoon". Which this actually is you contradicting yourself again by saying it does.
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wertologist (10/16/2015) [-] (Cont)
"the game which you consider to be on par with top class animation standards of full length feature movies; has bad animation compared to most cartoons. "
Can you list the parts that are poorly animated? Also, don't try to change the subject. We're were first talking about how the Sly games have cartoon graphics then we started debating on the level of detail in games/cartoons. Animation is different than graphic detail.
How do I "strawman the **** out of your arguments"? I quote you. I don't distort anything. I pull direct quotes from you. You ARE ignoring my points. You have yet to even comment on the commentary video which I have asked you multiple times to put forth a reply. You don't even acknowledge me asking you to do so. You are literally ignoring my points. "despite the fact i have detailed numerous times my point of view". That right there is what you were accusing me of doing. I am not ignoring your points. I respond to them. Which points have I ignored? Please tell me which ones? And no. That isn't me trying to "strawman" you(which isn't a ******* verb you ******** ).
"now i could throw the "i dont know if you are a troll or a retard" argument back at you...but i think its quite clear that you are just plain and simple retard :/"
Not effectively. Not without looking like an idiot. I give references to my points and support my answers. You merely say your points, but don't back them up. The most you did was list a two anime which you think are impossible for any video game to beat(one of which is a ******* game).
"the game which you consider to be on par with top class animation standards of full length feature movies; has bad animation compared to most cartoons. "
Can you list the parts that are poorly animated? Also, don't try to change the subject. We're were first talking about how the Sly games have cartoon graphics then we started debating on the level of detail in games/cartoons. Animation is different than graphic detail.
How do I "strawman the **** out of your arguments"? I quote you. I don't distort anything. I pull direct quotes from you. You ARE ignoring my points. You have yet to even comment on the commentary video which I have asked you multiple times to put forth a reply. You don't even acknowledge me asking you to do so. You are literally ignoring my points. "despite the fact i have detailed numerous times my point of view". That right there is what you were accusing me of doing. I am not ignoring your points. I respond to them. Which points have I ignored? Please tell me which ones? And no. That isn't me trying to "strawman" you(which isn't a ******* verb you ******** ).
"now i could throw the "i dont know if you are a troll or a retard" argument back at you...but i think its quite clear that you are just plain and simple retard :/"
Not effectively. Not without looking like an idiot. I give references to my points and support my answers. You merely say your points, but don't back them up. The most you did was list a two anime which you think are impossible for any video game to beat(one of which is a ******* game).
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pistachioofdoom (10/16/2015) [-] I have mixed feelings about this.
On one hand, i always loved the kind of humor and style on the R&C games. So if its just like a really long cutscene of the games, it would be real nice.
On the other hand, this is a videogame movie. *shudders*
On one hand, i always loved the kind of humor and style on the R&C games. So if its just like a really long cutscene of the games, it would be real nice.
On the other hand, this is a videogame movie. *shudders*
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alucardthemagician (10/16/2015) [-] Sadly enough I prefer Deadlocked or Going Commando but how the **** do you expect me to choose?!
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gittons (10/15/2015) [-] so this is based on the first game?
because you have drekk and meeting clank and everything.
can we get a second movie for the second game and a 3rd one for the third game?
hell even a deadlocked film would be so ******* cool.
maximum hype.
because you have drekk and meeting clank and everything.
can we get a second movie for the second game and a 3rd one for the third game?
hell even a deadlocked film would be so ******* cool.
maximum hype.
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wrinklynewt 
ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] it's a reboot, so they are taking similar themes from the first 3 games (hence Dr.Nefarous) and kind of blending them together into a new game
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wrinklynewt ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] they are releasing a game for the PS4 that goes along side this movie
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_%26_Clank_ (2016videogame)
ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratchet_%26_Clank_ (2016videogame)
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sptnfouroneseven (10/16/2015) [-] I don't remember 90% of this in the first game. And that makes me super salty. I'd rather see a more faithful retelling of it. But that's just me.
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wrinklynewt ONLINE (10/16/2015) [-] it's not meant to be a "truthful retelling" of it
the original game is from nearly 2 generations of consoles ago
they are re-booting the story with a new version of the origin and releasing a game along with it
the original game is from nearly 2 generations of consoles ago
they are re-booting the story with a new version of the origin and releasing a game along with it
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anon (10/16/2015) [-]
Looks up
Ponders everything i belive i know
A VIDEO GAME MOVIE THAT MIGHT NOT SUCK???????
Ponders everything i belive i know
A VIDEO GAME MOVIE THAT MIGHT NOT SUCK???????
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canichaikait (10/15/2015) [-] They have the Sheepinator in it!!! I'm a bit hyped too, if only for that!
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ferrocordis (10/16/2015) [-] What? Its going to be a movie- yes, yes, yes.... Take all my money already
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LEAFMAN (10/16/2015) [-] uuuuugh, i dont hate it, but goddamn i wish Jak and Daxter got a movie instead, was never a ratchet and clank fan
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groulgarigon (10/16/2015) [-] Aaah! I was wondering when this would happen. Ratchet and Clank always filled me with childlike wonder and excitement. The humor was stupid but I found it endlessly charming. And it's also one of those few franchises where you don't get those self important assholes who say "Uhm this story is **** because it doesn't follow the canon." (I mean honestly who cares about the story in a Ratchet and Clank game) and will gratifyingly be laughed out of all social circles. (As should be the case with any other jerk who's trying to tell you why you shouldn't be enjoying something)
Anyway before I get off on a tangent, I'ma reel in my gush of excitement that is sure to burst forth from the knowledge that this exists for now and approach with a bit of skepticism. Ratchet and Clank has fallen out of favor in recent more dumb consoles. The formula just wasn't there anymore. Games getting a movie in the past haven't exactly had a good track record. I have no idea who's producing so I don't know if the producer is a person interested in making this movie as an art form or to add another golden plated garage to his/her money palace and will thus rely on current tropes and pop culture reference. (The rotten apple of low hanging fruit. See The Borderlands series on that one) I just hope they don't ruin the charm of Ratchet as a character.
But AAAAAH Ratchet and Clank the movie! I'm so hopped up on hype that their's no way the movie's going to meet my expectations and I'm okay with that!
Anyway before I get off on a tangent, I'ma reel in my gush of excitement that is sure to burst forth from the knowledge that this exists for now and approach with a bit of skepticism. Ratchet and Clank has fallen out of favor in recent more dumb consoles. The formula just wasn't there anymore. Games getting a movie in the past haven't exactly had a good track record. I have no idea who's producing so I don't know if the producer is a person interested in making this movie as an art form or to add another golden plated garage to his/her money palace and will thus rely on current tropes and pop culture reference. (The rotten apple of low hanging fruit. See The Borderlands series on that one) I just hope they don't ruin the charm of Ratchet as a character.
But AAAAAH Ratchet and Clank the movie! I'm so hopped up on hype that their's no way the movie's going to meet my expectations and I'm okay with that!
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captainprincess (10/16/2015) [-] We unwittingly raise a good point though
Jak movie when
Jak movie when
