This is what it's coming to.
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verycoolcat (04/25/2015) [+] (11 replies)
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That actually hit me... that what you just posted could potentially become the truth of mods and gaming.
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ScottP (04/25/2015) [-] Even if the whole Steam Workshop thing doesn't work out, Valve did something irreversible. They made modders aware that they can charge money for their mods. There is no turning back from this.
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voiceless ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-] If the steam workshop thing doesn't work out then I doubt it'll work out for any other individual publisher.
Unless of course they are sensible about it and don't use a completely broken system that's bound to damage the modding community like steam just did. In which case there isn't even a problem to begin with.
Unless of course they are sensible about it and don't use a completely broken system that's bound to damage the modding community like steam just did. In which case there isn't even a problem to begin with.
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fridgelogic ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-] I was really hoping you were just pulling my leg...
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bitb (04/26/2015) [-] I explained all this controversy to my dad and his response was "its exactly the same as drugs, you sell them the first batch for free and when they're hooked you put the prices up so they come buying, doesn't anyone see the correlation?"
I don't know what surprises me more the fact that it actually correlates or figuring out dads a drug dealer
I don't know what surprises me more the fact that it actually correlates or figuring out dads a drug dealer
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ratstroke (04/26/2015) [-]
except that the first batch of mods is like 20 years old by now.
Also, thats the whole thing behind p2w, and it doesnt really apply now because youre not getting skyrim for free.
Btw, drug dealing is a business, so dont be surprised that they use commercial techniques much like any other business...
Also, thats the whole thing behind p2w, and it doesnt really apply now because youre not getting skyrim for free.
Btw, drug dealing is a business, so dont be surprised that they use commercial techniques much like any other business...
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thatasswasfat (04/26/2015) [-] yes the current situation sucks. no valve is not evil or greedy. yes modders should have the ability to get paid for there work. yes the community should have final say as to how much the mod is worth. yes the modder should get more than 25%. yes steam is adding an option if devs want for consumer to pay nothing for the mod and then pay later if they want. stop bitching about it work with steam and valve to fix the issue and get a good solution set up. when valve introduces something it is never set in stone we know this this is why we love them because they listen to us so help valve make it better give suggestions to ways of improving it instead of just bitching. I know i will get a lot of hate for this but a lot of people are just reacting to nothing and that does no good for anyone if valve was actually ******* us i would be the first to jump on the **** them wagon as i use Gog a lot and recommend it to everyone i play with
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civilizationv ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-] I think the major problem here is that mods will be more conservative than before. No more Master Chief in Skyrim because that's Bungie's and Microsoft's IP and you can't profit from that because of copyright issues. Theres alot of assets that are taken from other IP's like the Portal Gun in Skyrim and other assets that will get modders sued. IN Fact the first day that paid mods went up one mod is already getting in trouble for using a asset that was theirs. This wouldnt be a problem if there was no money involved because no one was making a profit off it.
TL;DR its a legal issue that is really making this entire thing stupid and is affecting mods in the long run.
TL;DR its a legal issue that is really making this entire thing stupid and is affecting mods in the long run.
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thatasswasfat (04/26/2015) [-] yes i agree with that but if you still want to do that stuff put the mod up as free nothing is stopping you from doing that( look into fair use policies I'm sure you could use some things from games but you would have give them created or something I'm not sure its something i want to loom into). as for making money even from donations out of steam is questionable you are not suppose to but some companies allow it so its a risk but if its done on steam you know the company supports it. these are not really things that didn't effect mods before just not on a big scale and in a confined area like now. i am sure the problem will be fixed as valve sees problems and can address them.
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thatasswasfat (04/26/2015) [-] thank you. same to you. obviously i can't tell the future but i trust them to do whats best.
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thepizzadevourer (04/26/2015) [-] Not everyone! It seems people are just kneejerk reacting to this, rather than taking even a second to think about it logically. Valve's thing from day one is to do what is good for PC gaming in the long run, regardless of how popular it is in the present. Yet people somehow think they broke bad in a single day. And not only that, they broke stupid bad: willing to sacrifice their entire community for a quick buck. It just doesn't make sense.
No, the more logical explanation is that they're trying to make a system that will encourage people to mod. Their content creation system has so far paid out over 57 million dollars to their partners. Gabe has explicitly said that he hopes this mod payment system will give people the money and standing to go on to work with developers directly to create very large mods, or to move on and make their own dev studio.
Are there problems? Yes, but anything with potential has 'em. Don't shoot the whole thing down just because you're used to getting stuff for free.
No, the more logical explanation is that they're trying to make a system that will encourage people to mod. Their content creation system has so far paid out over 57 million dollars to their partners. Gabe has explicitly said that he hopes this mod payment system will give people the money and standing to go on to work with developers directly to create very large mods, or to move on and make their own dev studio.
Are there problems? Yes, but anything with potential has 'em. Don't shoot the whole thing down just because you're used to getting stuff for free.
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anon (04/26/2015) [-]
A paid mod system has the potential to work very well if it is implemented from the beginning when a game is released. It does not work with skyrim because of interdependence and other related issues. Skyrim's community and mod ecosystem can't function with paid mods. Implementing the system with a new game is simply 3rd party DLC and can work because the community can build around the associated assumptions.
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thesecretbear ONLINE (04/26/2015) [-] I agree with you, but we as consumers now days (especially gamers) are very sensetive to cash grabs. if something feels like a company is being greedy then people will flip their ever loving **** .
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thatasswasfat (04/26/2015) [-] yes i know and they can i have no problem with them doing so its just i know it will happen and i know it is just a big waist of time in this case and most others because it just to early to tell. save that energy for later in the case it is **** then freak but wait until then.
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ilikepatatas (04/26/2015) [-]
you guys gonna keep doing that?
because i the only one here faggoty enough like to care, most other people is already too busy on something else
all im gonna say is that in the end you guys have already been like this since 2008 or so
for console its gotten to a point where the greedyness and moneymilking is irreversible
you haven't gotten charged for mods already because modding a console game takes relatively so much time and effort and its so risky that its not worth it
so keep laughing at other people's misfortunes as you bathe in your own filth
not gonna change anything
because i the only one here faggoty enough like to care, most other people is already too busy on something else
all im gonna say is that in the end you guys have already been like this since 2008 or so
for console its gotten to a point where the greedyness and moneymilking is irreversible
you haven't gotten charged for mods already because modding a console game takes relatively so much time and effort and its so risky that its not worth it
so keep laughing at other people's misfortunes as you bathe in your own filth
not gonna change anything
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smokekusheveryday (04/26/2015) [-] Look so valve made it so Modders can charge for their mods
big ******* whoop
Correct me if im wrong but Nexus has hundred upon thousands of mods..... and those are free....why are we caring about a handful of mods.....for skyrim
or is this affecting other games besides skyrim cause i mean even if it is we have other sources we can download mods from right?
big ******* whoop
Correct me if im wrong but Nexus has hundred upon thousands of mods..... and those are free....why are we caring about a handful of mods.....for skyrim
or is this affecting other games besides skyrim cause i mean even if it is we have other sources we can download mods from right?
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smokekusheveryday (04/26/2015) [-] Well **** ..... are these jew modders (good modders)
i mean do they make amazing mods
i mean do they make amazing mods
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smokekusheveryday (04/26/2015) [-] Yea im not a against jewish people but it's a prety cunt nugget move to pull a **** fag decision like Chesko
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marking (04/26/2015) [-] Do you guys imagine what would happen if game companies started working with mod sellers?
They would sell halfassed games on purpose for their original price in order to sell you mods to make the game look like it should have with the good textures. So technically speaking now you would have to buy the textures+half ass game+DLC in order to get the full deal
They would sell halfassed games on purpose for their original price in order to sell you mods to make the game look like it should have with the good textures. So technically speaking now you would have to buy the textures+half ass game+DLC in order to get the full deal
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marking (04/26/2015) [-] Even though people pirate the games they still seem to get pissed at the whole idea. Its not a question about who can screw over who, its more of a dilemma questioning the fairness of game companies seeking action about game pirates when the legal option is sure to screw anyone trying to do the legal thing over.
