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photoshoppinfuck (08/15/2015) [-] Oh man, of many of the things I've laughed at on this website, this is one of the darkest
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traveller (08/15/2015) [-]
Swish and flick your wand and with a clear voice say 'Allahu Akbar'
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nanako (08/16/2015) [-] with that many people in a tiny boat, they're either fleeing a sinking ship, or doing something illegal
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infinitereaper (08/16/2015) [-] They are illegal immigrants and should be pushed back into the ******* ocean.
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jouten (08/16/2015) [-] As the title says they are refugees. They are trying to escape warzones or persecution. It's a huge problem in Europe right now because most end up in Greece (which as you know isn't really in the economical situation to handle thousands of refugees) while countries like the UK refuse to take any refugees in at all making it even harder for the other European countries who already have enough refugees to deal with.
Also a lot of the refugees drown trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea
Also a lot of the refugees drown trying to cross the Mediterranean Sea
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jouten (08/16/2015) [-] "A lot" is about a thousand every year. Do you really think economic fugitives would risk their lives just for a chance to live in, lolGreece? These are people who would think that their chance of survival in their country is lower than their chance of crossing the Mediterranean Sea on a small rubber raft with 30 other people just for a chance to be able to find safety in again ******* Greece with the hope that they aren't getting sent back.
And yes it's absolute ******** that Greece has to take in all the refugees while richer countries like the UK don't take anyone in just because Greece is in closer proximity to warzones. Defeats the entire purpose of European unity and solidarity.
And yes it's absolute ******** that Greece has to take in all the refugees while richer countries like the UK don't take anyone in just because Greece is in closer proximity to warzones. Defeats the entire purpose of European unity and solidarity.
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nanako (08/16/2015) [-] why do you think greece "has" to take in anyone? You're pointing the finger of blame at the UK for not spreading its legs like everyone else, instead of at greece (and italy) for being a slut.
The age old excuse of finding safety is often a lie. Despite all of the wars and violence you constantly hear about, at any given time 99.9% of the earth is peaceful, and the chance of suffering a violent death is very low unless you're on the frontline of trench warfare. There's also no shortage of violent crime within europe, which rises in correlation with immigration.
Everyone creates and deals with their own problems. And allowing people to avoid dealing with them is not going to get them fixed
The age old excuse of finding safety is often a lie. Despite all of the wars and violence you constantly hear about, at any given time 99.9% of the earth is peaceful, and the chance of suffering a violent death is very low unless you're on the frontline of trench warfare. There's also no shortage of violent crime within europe, which rises in correlation with immigration.
Everyone creates and deals with their own problems. And allowing people to avoid dealing with them is not going to get them fixed
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jouten (08/16/2015) [-] What the **** are Italy and Greece supposed to do with the thousands of people at their coasts? Send them back to the sea and let them drown? These people have nothing. No passes, no home, no clothes, no property, nothing to eat. They left everything behind just for a chance of not drowning and finding safety acrosss the sea.
"The age old excuse of finding safety is often a lie. Despite all of the wars and violence you constantly hear about, at any given time 99.9% of the earth is peaceful"
What ******* drugs are you on?
The US alone is involved in 134 wars right now
In Syria there is a civil war going on. 300,000+ casualities since 2011. Multiple tens of thousands die every year. Do you know where Syria is? Right across the Mediterranean Sea. Maybe the majority of Asia, Europe and America is at peace but that DOESN'T CHANGE that there's hundreds of thousands of people dying right at our doorstep just a few kilometers across in the middle east. Syria is the country with the country with the highest conflict related fatalities in the world. More people die in Syria due to war every year than in Iraq, Afghanistan and Sudan combined.
Heck even Europe isn't fully at peace. ******* Ukraine and the war in Donbass is happening right now.
On a side note: Are you by any chance from the UK? Because the only people I find who don't think the UK are absolute dickbags for not taking in any refugees from other EU countries, while they are bursting with refugees struggling to even give them shelter and clothes, are people from the UK
"The age old excuse of finding safety is often a lie. Despite all of the wars and violence you constantly hear about, at any given time 99.9% of the earth is peaceful"
What ******* drugs are you on?
The US alone is involved in 134 wars right now
In Syria there is a civil war going on. 300,000+ casualities since 2011. Multiple tens of thousands die every year. Do you know where Syria is? Right across the Mediterranean Sea. Maybe the majority of Asia, Europe and America is at peace but that DOESN'T CHANGE that there's hundreds of thousands of people dying right at our doorstep just a few kilometers across in the middle east. Syria is the country with the country with the highest conflict related fatalities in the world. More people die in Syria due to war every year than in Iraq, Afghanistan and Sudan combined.
Heck even Europe isn't fully at peace. ******* Ukraine and the war in Donbass is happening right now.
On a side note: Are you by any chance from the UK? Because the only people I find who don't think the UK are absolute dickbags for not taking in any refugees from other EU countries, while they are bursting with refugees struggling to even give them shelter and clothes, are people from the UK
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nanako (08/16/2015) [-] Supposed to do?
The same thing you're "supposed to do" with jehovah's witnesses at your door. You can invite them in for a cup of tea, you can politely ask them to leave, you can get your shotgun and tell them not so politely to **** off.
Greece is a sovereign state, it has many rights to do as it pleases with people who want to enter it. It does NOT have any right to impose upon the other nations, or to funnel jehovah's witnesses into the neighbor's house through a plank between windows while welcoming their entire community through its front door. Greece can do whatever it wants, and greece can live with the consequences of whatever greece does
Yes there are lots of wars. And in every war there is a frontline, and a safe place far away from it. Almost every country in the world has hills, forests, mountains, and similar vast swathes of land. As well as plenty of rural villages. When britain was being bombed during WW2, people didn't run to spain. They fled to the rural areas of our own country
Syria in particular is in a civil war. Syrian people can support their government and help to end it faster. Thsi is what's coloquially known as fixing your own **** .
But if people are really insistent on moving to europe, of course they can. All they have to do is learn a useful skill, make an immigration application, and fill in the paperwork. If they can't bring something of value to the place they want to live, then why on earth should anyone accept them ?
Yes i live in the UK, in a city notorious for heroin abuse and knife crime. We've got no shortage of gang violence and HOMELESS people here.
Why the **** should we give homes to people from halfway across the world while our own people freeze in the streets? There is no logic at all to valueing strangers above your own kind.
The same thing you're "supposed to do" with jehovah's witnesses at your door. You can invite them in for a cup of tea, you can politely ask them to leave, you can get your shotgun and tell them not so politely to **** off.
Greece is a sovereign state, it has many rights to do as it pleases with people who want to enter it. It does NOT have any right to impose upon the other nations, or to funnel jehovah's witnesses into the neighbor's house through a plank between windows while welcoming their entire community through its front door. Greece can do whatever it wants, and greece can live with the consequences of whatever greece does
Yes there are lots of wars. And in every war there is a frontline, and a safe place far away from it. Almost every country in the world has hills, forests, mountains, and similar vast swathes of land. As well as plenty of rural villages. When britain was being bombed during WW2, people didn't run to spain. They fled to the rural areas of our own country
Syria in particular is in a civil war. Syrian people can support their government and help to end it faster. Thsi is what's coloquially known as fixing your own **** .
But if people are really insistent on moving to europe, of course they can. All they have to do is learn a useful skill, make an immigration application, and fill in the paperwork. If they can't bring something of value to the place they want to live, then why on earth should anyone accept them ?
Yes i live in the UK, in a city notorious for heroin abuse and knife crime. We've got no shortage of gang violence and HOMELESS people here.
Why the **** should we give homes to people from halfway across the world while our own people freeze in the streets? There is no logic at all to valueing strangers above your own kind.
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nanako (08/16/2015) [-] Farther;
People who need to flee a conflict in syria should flee to other parts of syria. If their town is overrun by enemies, they should flee to the next syrian town, and claim asylum there. They should knock on doors and ask to bunk in the houses of those people.
This should continue until either the situation is resolved, in which case the syrian government is responsible for resettling them, or until the entire government collapses, in which case the people should band together and form a new one, hopefully without the problems that put them in that situation in the first place.
People who need to flee a conflict in syria should flee to other parts of syria. If their town is overrun by enemies, they should flee to the next syrian town, and claim asylum there. They should knock on doors and ask to bunk in the houses of those people.
This should continue until either the situation is resolved, in which case the syrian government is responsible for resettling them, or until the entire government collapses, in which case the people should band together and form a new one, hopefully without the problems that put them in that situation in the first place.
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jouten (08/16/2015) [-] I'm just speechless at all that ignorance. What kind of fanatasyland do you live in? I don't even know where to begin. Do you really think it's a viable option for any of the thousands of refugees to just find a bunker (that are totally safe and that are totally in reachable proximity to them and that totally have the capacity to take in all these refugees and of course only they know where they are but none of the soldiers and fighters know where they are and would totally leave them untouched because they absolutely would not suspect any of their enemies hiding there)?
What the **** is a regular citizen supposed to do to change the situation? Do you even realize what the **** a war is? Refugees are the people who don't want to lose their lives in war. And yes British fugitives were totally a thing in world war 2. But they didn't flee to spain, they fled to America.
I have no idea what the **** they tell you in the UK, but it's funny how quickly you went from "they're just a bunch of econimc fugitives!" to "Everyone should deal with their own problems! Why the **** should we care?"
What the **** is a regular citizen supposed to do to change the situation? Do you even realize what the **** a war is? Refugees are the people who don't want to lose their lives in war. And yes British fugitives were totally a thing in world war 2. But they didn't flee to spain, they fled to America.
I have no idea what the **** they tell you in the UK, but it's funny how quickly you went from "they're just a bunch of econimc fugitives!" to "Everyone should deal with their own problems! Why the **** should we care?"
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nanako (08/16/2015) [-] Now you're going into hyperbole. I never discounted the economic migrants and i still maintain that a very large portion of them are that, the subject simply moved onto war refugees specifically, at your direction.
People should deal with their own problems. Now look at things this way. These people are abandoning their country, when it is depending on them, so that they can go and depend on another country. There is something fundamentally wrong with this mentality.
I did explicitly say that people should support their government and help to resolve the military situation. I said nothing about hiding in bunkers away from soldiers and fighters. I specifically said moving to rural villages far from the front lines, or even to heavily guarded population centres, as appropriate. In any war there are always going to be places that are mostly safe because one side or another is holding and protecting those areas, if everywhere falls then the conflict is over.
People who want to leave their countrry to fend for itself, must, in turn, fend for THEMSELVES. These people should have been learning skills, increasing their economic value, saving up money, and filing paperwork to legally immigrate to the countries of their choice.
Instead what you've got here are people who have lived in a bubble, and suddenly finding it burst, are now moving to a new, overcrowded bubble.
What is a regular citizen supposed to do? If they can't take steps to secure their own future, then they can help their country. Join the army, or work in a factory to make guns or something. War is an industry that creates jobs as much as it destroys them.
I don't know or care what "they" tell me, i read various sources and make up my own mind on things.
However, here's a bottom line.
Even if a party only has one choice left to make, it does not mean it's the best choice for everyone. A wounded and cornered animal will strike out in fear, that's its only option, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't shoot it to save your own life.
All nations and people have their own free agency, No matter how desperate someone is to come to your door, you are not obligated to accept them. Just as you are not obligated to surrender if they invade you, or to die if they attempt to kill you. Everyone defends themselves from threats, and there are winners and losers in everything. Winners are not cruel and heartless for refusing to lower themselves to everyone else's level.
With the case of britain in particular, we are an island. And hence we have a much easier time policing our borders. Many countries in europe would likely be as equally harsh if they could actually enforce such policies in practicality. Sucks to be them, we lucked out with an island.
But it's still our house, and our rules. You don't have a right to come in. Nor do economic migrants, or syrian refugees, or anyone else.
People should deal with their own problems. Now look at things this way. These people are abandoning their country, when it is depending on them, so that they can go and depend on another country. There is something fundamentally wrong with this mentality.
I did explicitly say that people should support their government and help to resolve the military situation. I said nothing about hiding in bunkers away from soldiers and fighters. I specifically said moving to rural villages far from the front lines, or even to heavily guarded population centres, as appropriate. In any war there are always going to be places that are mostly safe because one side or another is holding and protecting those areas, if everywhere falls then the conflict is over.
People who want to leave their countrry to fend for itself, must, in turn, fend for THEMSELVES. These people should have been learning skills, increasing their economic value, saving up money, and filing paperwork to legally immigrate to the countries of their choice.
Instead what you've got here are people who have lived in a bubble, and suddenly finding it burst, are now moving to a new, overcrowded bubble.
What is a regular citizen supposed to do? If they can't take steps to secure their own future, then they can help their country. Join the army, or work in a factory to make guns or something. War is an industry that creates jobs as much as it destroys them.
I don't know or care what "they" tell me, i read various sources and make up my own mind on things.
However, here's a bottom line.
Even if a party only has one choice left to make, it does not mean it's the best choice for everyone. A wounded and cornered animal will strike out in fear, that's its only option, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't shoot it to save your own life.
All nations and people have their own free agency, No matter how desperate someone is to come to your door, you are not obligated to accept them. Just as you are not obligated to surrender if they invade you, or to die if they attempt to kill you. Everyone defends themselves from threats, and there are winners and losers in everything. Winners are not cruel and heartless for refusing to lower themselves to everyone else's level.
With the case of britain in particular, we are an island. And hence we have a much easier time policing our borders. Many countries in europe would likely be as equally harsh if they could actually enforce such policies in practicality. Sucks to be them, we lucked out with an island.
But it's still our house, and our rules. You don't have a right to come in. Nor do economic migrants, or syrian refugees, or anyone else.
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jouten (08/16/2015) [-] I think you fail to realize that there simply are people who just DO NOT want to be involved in war. They don't have a side to pick, they don't want to die in gunfire or a bombing to throw over some government they might or might not agree with just to support some other group that might or might not be better than them. They just want to live and try to find safety. Believe me if they COULD find safety in rural areas of their country (seriously do you have any idea how Syria looks like?) they would. If they could save up money or had the time to do the necessary paperwork to be able to move to a different country, they would. But this is simply not an option. The war is happening right now. You can't just save up your money or "work on skills" for 5 years and hope you're still alive then when your neighbours are dying left and right of you and you have to fear about your own safety, your families safety or your children's safety.
Of course you are not "obliged" to help people, but you might as well say that if I see someone dying of thirst while I have a bottle of water I have no obligation to give him my water if I can't expect anything in return. Of course nobody can force me, but this is about what's morally right to do.
Of course you are not "obliged" to help people, but you might as well say that if I see someone dying of thirst while I have a bottle of water I have no obligation to give him my water if I can't expect anything in return. Of course nobody can force me, but this is about what's morally right to do.
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dakkadakka (08/16/2015) [-]
The moral is: tough luck
It sucks they are in that situation, but having vast numbers of people of a culture other than your own is crazy, it's what leads to race riots and clashes. We have a ******* housing shortage yet those asylum seekers that gain asylum get a free ******* house.
Not to mention that with Calais, if we let them all through, how do we know which are and aren't criminals?
Go through the legal way, but do look at the cases of some of the worse off (not economical, purely "they are going to die"
It sucks they are in that situation, but having vast numbers of people of a culture other than your own is crazy, it's what leads to race riots and clashes. We have a ******* housing shortage yet those asylum seekers that gain asylum get a free ******* house.
Not to mention that with Calais, if we let them all through, how do we know which are and aren't criminals?
Go through the legal way, but do look at the cases of some of the worse off (not economical, purely "they are going to die"
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nanako (08/16/2015) [-] Many people don't want to be involved in war, we can't always get what we want. People not wanting to support their government in a civil war is a far cry from, and a lot more entitled than fleeing a situation of all out anarchy and destruction
No I'm not suggesting that they should start saving up now. They should be dsoing it since forever. Every adult, of every race, country and creed in the world, at every moment in time, should be improving their value, saving up money, and steering their future towards where they want it to be. They only have themselves to blame for failing to do thi
"Morally right" is subjective and arbitrary. In your particular dying of thirst case, this is more akin to finding a dehydrated man and promising to give him water for the rest of his life, not merely a one off.
No I'm not suggesting that they should start saving up now. They should be dsoing it since forever. Every adult, of every race, country and creed in the world, at every moment in time, should be improving their value, saving up money, and steering their future towards where they want it to be. They only have themselves to blame for failing to do thi
"Morally right" is subjective and arbitrary. In your particular dying of thirst case, this is more akin to finding a dehydrated man and promising to give him water for the rest of his life, not merely a one off.
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anon (09/06/2015) [-]
It's not about what's "morally right", it's about what make YOU feel warm and fuzzy inside. The morally right thing to do is NOT to hand these countries over to people who are killing the innocents. The morally right thing to do is NOT to turn a blind eye to all the people still in those countries, and pretend we're making a difference by accepting a few. The morally right thing to do is NOT to slowly destroy European culture just because other areas of the globe are screwed up. The morally right thing to do is NOT to diminish the numbers of people in a country who would oppose the wrongs currently being committed.
What you're advocating for accomplishes 2 things. 1) It makes the job of the bad guys in their home countries easier. 2) It slowly destroys the culture of European nations.
If there's a good and evil side, you've chosen the side of evil.
What you're advocating for accomplishes 2 things. 1) It makes the job of the bad guys in their home countries easier. 2) It slowly destroys the culture of European nations.
If there's a good and evil side, you've chosen the side of evil.
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anon (09/06/2015) [-]
I'm sorry, but if their countries are such **** holes that decent people can't live there anymore, then we should help them win their countries back rather than taking away all the potential freedom fighters. Taking them in is a big screw you to the good people in their home countries, and a bigger screw you to the residents of the countries they're going to.
If they're unwilling to fight for their own countries, then they certainly don't deserve citizenship in another. Moreover, just because these countries are going to **** , doesn't mean the whole world has to.
If they're unwilling to fight for their own countries, then they certainly don't deserve citizenship in another. Moreover, just because these countries are going to **** , doesn't mean the whole world has to.
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dakkadakka (08/16/2015) [-]
Found the butthurt Euro
The UK has millions of immigrants (mostly from Pakistan, India, or the EU) so excuse us for wanting to stay England, not "refuge here"
The UK has millions of immigrants (mostly from Pakistan, India, or the EU) so excuse us for wanting to stay England, not "refuge here"
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infinitereaper (08/16/2015) [-] Ah yes, illegal immigrants. Always the same story. Leaving their ****** countries to come ruin others.
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anon (08/16/2015) [-] Mark my words, these immigrants will be what causes the new rise of fascism and national socialism in this country. I can say confidently that people in Europe are getting sick and tired of immigrants taking up housing spaces, when there is already a housing crisis and many natives cant get space for housing. They take up school spaces as well, coincidentally also while there is a school space crisis (my local town has already had to build 2 new schools in the last 5 years). They make up more mouths to feed, when my country already must import 40% of its food from over seas. They demand more benefits, when our government CANNOT pay for it (we are already billions in debt). They're taking up job spaces whilst driving wages down, when there is already mass unemployment (my friend recently applied for a job at MacDonald's. When he turned up, there was 1 other person his age and his ethnicity, the rest were polish men who couldn't grasp basic English and couldn't say where they lived when asked to by the manager) They have caused religious and ethnic tensions (Lee Rigby, Rotherham, Calais, Jihadi John) and people are getting sick and ******* tired.
My capital city is less than 50 percent ethnic white British, and within 50 - 100 years the Muslim and Muslim descended population will become the majority. This is not opinion, this is statistical analysis, based on the birthrates. If you think this country can peacefully transform into a predominantly white christian nation into a Bangladeshi Muslim nation, then you are naive.
My capital city is less than 50 percent ethnic white British, and within 50 - 100 years the Muslim and Muslim descended population will become the majority. This is not opinion, this is statistical analysis, based on the birthrates. If you think this country can peacefully transform into a predominantly white christian nation into a Bangladeshi Muslim nation, then you are naive.
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dakkadakka (08/16/2015) [-]
And look at the state of both countries.
Not saying refugees aren't people, but we can't afford it.
Not saying refugees aren't people, but we can't afford it.
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anon (08/17/2015) [-]
I don't think we're doing the world any favors by taking in immigrants. We're a brain drain on the rest of the world. Anyone who would potentially fix the screwed up countries they're coming from leaves. So we have countries that are perpetually screwed up and getting dumber and dumber by the generation. Meanwhile the people who come here wind up being a drain on our economy as they over-utilize public services. So we wind up hurting the countries we want to help while crippling our ability to help them. We should adopt a "help them where they are" policy.
