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This article infuriates me.. As someone who hasn't seen the film and is planning to, this article makes me sick. It crushes my dreams. -But then that first comm

As someone who hasn't seen the film and is planning to, this article makes me sick. It crushes my dreams. -But then that first comment relieved me- What the **** is this?

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#65 - savageoro (12/25/2015) [-]
like there weren't ever any black people in star wars...
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User avatar #104 to #65 - catpisseverdeen (12/25/2015) [-]
That character wasn't originally white and replaced with a black guy for the sake of "there's too many white people".
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User avatar #106 to #104 - savageoro (12/25/2015) [-]
actually...as much as i've heard...billy d was firt thought for the han solo role
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User avatar #144 to #104 - donatelo (12/26/2015) [-]
"too many white people" as in there was litterally no other race?
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#222 to #104 - sairen (12/27/2015) [-]
i dunno to re-cast simply because there are so many of 1 race is stupid.
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#148 to #65 - anon (12/26/2015) [-]
To say nothing of badass female leads... I had the same problem with people flipping **** over Furiosa in Mad Max, I mean seriously? None of you ever saw a female action lead before?
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#162 to #148 - anon (12/26/2015) [-]
Not in ******* Mad Max I haven't. I don't have any interest in a Mad Max film that isn't about ******* Mad Max.
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#94 to #65 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
There were at least 2 black people
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#95 to #94 - savageoro (12/25/2015) [-]
only james earl jones voice
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#138 to #94 - redrangerpower (12/26/2015) [-]
The EU had a few others too.
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User avatar #5 - ericr (12/25/2015) [-]
I have nothing against diversity but it's a little weird how it's being crammed in our faces.
Watch the kid's Disney shows and its heavily exaggerated.
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User avatar #6 to #5 - misternobodie [OP](12/25/2015) [-]
You scare me, how bad is it ?...
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User avatar #11 to #6 - zaggystirdust (12/25/2015) [-]
A kid show did an episode on "cultural appropriation" of Japanese culture.
Which is funny because they honestly do not give a **** about that stuff.
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User avatar #63 to #11 - cheeseboyofdoom (12/25/2015) [-]
When I was in Japan I was really interested in the history (architecture fag) and culture. They had no problem with it and even encouraged us. Anyone who thinks Japanese care about "cultural appropriation" imo is the real bigot. They think that everyone in the world thinks the same and that everyone will care about their ****** identity politics.
Side note I hate SJWs for ruining words, bigot, problematic, toxic.
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User avatar #160 to #11 - welliguessitsaname (12/26/2015) [-]
Which one?
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User avatar #8 to #6 - ericr (12/25/2015) [-]
That Hillary Duff commercial seems right in line with it... Telling young audiences to stop using the word "Gay" as a derogatory term that equates to "weird or stupid".
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User avatar #53 to #8 - sgtmajjohnson (12/25/2015) [-]
That ad was so gay.
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#14 to #5 - scruffyguy (12/25/2015) [-]
Yeah its weird how its being crammed down our throats by a certain group of people
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#45 to #14 - akkere ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
That quote was in regards to a television show he did called Undercovers back in 2013. It has nothing to do with Star Wars.
From when I posted it here;
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"The thing I find funny about this post is how it's constantly posted in Star Wars threads to suggest this was the main idea, when the interview was actually regarding the TV show Undercovers.
www.earwolf.com/episode/j-j-abrams/ - Interview link before it 404'd
www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-7-racially-diverse/ - Article that transcribes the interview.

This post also ignores the fact that he followed up the statement with " Like not for sure, and if we can’t find the actors who are great, we shouldn’t,". He wasn't going to full-on Affirmative Action the show if he didn't think the actors would cut it, and the same attitude probably translated for Star Wars. "
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User avatar #177 to #45 - scorcho (12/26/2015) [-]
is thrawn getting head in your pic?
you can see the top of someones hair at the bottom, and the cut off word looks like "job" as in "blow job".
wake up sheeple.
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User avatar #195 to #177 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
he's not. it's a ysmrilli. basically what it does is...it's an animal that shields people from the force.
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User avatar #197 to #195 - scorcho (12/26/2015) [-]
boy, really sucks how the EU will never get movie adaptations.
there was so much cool stuff there.
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User avatar #198 to #197 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
i mean...this new trilogy is basically the legacy of the force saga from the old EU.
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#182 to #177 - akkere ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
I neither confirm nor deny whether or not Thrawn is being orally serviced in the source image by another more enthusiastic imperial.
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#149 to #45 - scruffyguy (12/26/2015) [-]
I didnt imply he was talking about the film. Does it somehow change what he said?
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User avatar #154 to #149 - akkere ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
Yeah, having the_ rest of the context_ actually does change what he said quite a bit, which this post intentionally leaves out to stir up dramatic effect, hence the rest of the post underlining what his notions were regarding the casting of the television show.
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#158 to #154 - scruffyguy (12/26/2015) [-]
"I dont want to cast non-white actors. But if I dont find enough white people I might have to." lol bro I was just talking about a television show, not a movie.
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#61 to #14 - sanitarysan (12/25/2015) [-]
start with the director...
wonder bread here is as white as they come.
there never was a comment #59
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User avatar #60 to #14 - mexicandudeinsd (12/25/2015) [-]
jew jew abrams
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#40 to #14 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
feminists, whiteknights and dindus.
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#42 to #40 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
No, no, I think he's talking about the god's chosen
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User avatar #13 - pfccross (12/25/2015) [-]
the only thing that pisses me off is a lot of story bending things that don't make a lot of sense. How the **** is Rey able to just spontaneously use the force? thats not how the force works. It took luke 3 movies to become actually proficient with it, and shes mind tricking as soon as she thinks she can use the force. Bull. And why does Fin always have the lightsaber? he hasn't been shown to have force connection at all. at least not yet. Why are they emphasizing him as the jedi in all of these pictures and **** ? He is literally just a guy swinging a lightsaber at the moment.

You can reeeaaalllly see the disney influence on this movie.
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User avatar #18 to #13 - thebballin (12/25/2015) [-]
Because Rey doesn't want the lightsaber, what is he just going to carry it around and NOT use it? Thats just ******* stupid. And theres a theory that she's actually not using the force, and it was Luke using the force in her stead to help her along her journey.
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User avatar #19 to #18 - pfccross (12/25/2015) [-]
that is an ambitious theory, but i guess we will see. And i remember hearing on many occasions that using a lightsaber untrained and without the force could often prove deadly to the wielder. They had him go 1 on 1 with a dark jedi for a lot longer than he should have gotten. A guy that can stop a blaster shot with ease has to try to beat him, and somehow actually loses to the amateur Rey. It just doesn't fir star wars well. There was a shread of realism in it before. It was a fantasy setting but most things made good sense. You dont get to magically automatically beat the bad guy because you are a good guy. jsut as qui-gon in episode 1, anikan and obiwan in episode 2, mace windu and yoda in episode 3, and luke in episode 5 and 6. Being undertrained or simply not as good as the bad guy gets you wrecked. It should and it does. The end of Fins battle with kylo was acceptable, but Rey shouldn't have been able to beat him either.
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User avatar #30 to #19 - thatguycrow (12/25/2015) [-]
Keep in mind that Ren was shot by Chewie's crossbow blaster before that fight, and though he did beat Finn it wasnt before Finn managed to land a blow on his face. So yes, he is obviously more trained and a stronger fighter than both Rey and Finn, but he was massively wounded by that point as well
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User avatar #22 to #19 - thebballin (12/25/2015) [-]
Oh and Finn being able to last a bit longer I think can be explained by the fact that he was wounded and not thinking straight.
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User avatar #21 to #19 - thebballin (12/25/2015) [-]
You're right. I was dissapointed by the end of Rey's battle too. IDK, if the whole luke theory is correct, but if it is, it would explain why she was able to suddenly win, other than that I guess having a clear mind helped?
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#48 to #21 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
she read kylo's mind and took the way he weilded his sabre, she fought just like him if you would pay close attention and you can clearly see her trying to read his mind. she is really strong and naturally gifted in force abilities to do with the mind as shown when she resisted kylo and read his mind, as well as using mind trick on the storm troopers.
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User avatar #52 to #19 - sgtmajjohnson (12/25/2015) [-]
There's really not much consistency to Star Wars lore, though. The Jedi council is like "this Anakin kid is 8; he's way to old to begin his training!" Then Luke picks up a lightsaber in his mid-twenties and defeats a Sith Lord with like eleven minutes of training which primarily consisted of Obi-Wan telling him to "use the force" and Yoda making him carry his old green ass.
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User avatar #77 to #52 - dustruction (12/25/2015) [-]
The Jedi Council was no longer alive to discuss Yoda's training of Luke and the time skips between the two movies is over 3 years of Luke training his force abilities.
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User avatar #86 to #77 - sgtmajjohnson (12/25/2015) [-]
The point of my comment wasn't about the Jedi Council's view on it, but rather their statement that eight was too old to begin training a Jedi. Meanwhile, Luke was amongst the greatest in their history, and he started in his 20s. Endor was only four years after Yavin, and Luke had certain things that would hinder his training, such as getting a hand cut off. In those 4 years, he learned enough to surmount a Sith Lord who had been training for 37 years? Also, who would even be training Luke, ghost Obi-Wan and Yoda?
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#90 to #86 - nexl (12/25/2015) [-]
My impression was that you had to be a child to be trained into a Jedi since at that stage in life its easier to drill practices and morals into your conscience so it would be harder to sway to the dark side.

Luke being able to defeat Vader (also not forgetting his bloodline) was because he was able to confront these disciplines and hardships of being a Jedi more intensely throughout the movies where he learnt from these experiences to grow as a Jedi.

In my eyes, training to use the force heavily relies on your state of mind, actions and morality. So really Jedi instructors and mainly there to guide, being a Jedi means to embrace the teachings and morals to persevere in face of adversity.
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User avatar #128 to #90 - sgtmajjohnson (12/25/2015) [-]
So it's really not that different from what Rey did. It was basically just using one's state of mind to access potential in using the force.
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User avatar #88 to #86 - emiyashirou ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
The age to start training has nothing to do with power. They said 8 was too old to start training a Jedi, because apprentice would be more likely to fall to the dark side. Kind of like, you know, they were ******* right and Anakin did fall.
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User avatar #120 to #88 - mrmomoguy (12/25/2015) [-]
He killed sideous after the genocide tho. That should count for something
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User avatar #127 to #88 - sgtmajjohnson (12/25/2015) [-]
So what you're saying is they're a cult who needs to indoctrinate children from infancy in order to maintain loyalty? You know, between that and the army of clone soldiers bred to fight the Republic's battles, it really seems like the Old Republic is barely better than the Empire.
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#150 to #127 - notjewelry (12/26/2015) [-]
That's the problem you see, the dark side and the light side are equally bad. The only real reason that there is a war going on is because the rebels want to overthrow the empire. The empire is doing nothing horrible other than trying to get rid of the rebels.
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User avatar #155 to #150 - sgtmajjohnson (12/26/2015) [-]
Well, and genocide on a planetary scale. That's pretty bad.
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#156 to #155 - notjewelry (12/26/2015) [-]
I'd do the same if my power was being threatened for no reason. No where does it state that "light is good, dark is bad" from an unbiased point of view
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User avatar #172 to #156 - sgtmajjohnson (12/26/2015) [-]
It is definitely the case that calling them the light side and dark side was meant to predispose you towards one. That's the reason they cover Stormtrooper's faces and show rebel ones, and why all the main heroes are good looking while the villains are deformed. You're meant to empathize with the rebels.
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#188 to #172 - notjewelry (12/26/2015) [-]
moviepilot.com/posts/2421458
open for interpretation
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User avatar #194 to #188 - sgtmajjohnson (12/26/2015) [-]
Ok, but those justifications are kind of ******** . "His mom died, he was about to be a father, he was in a rough place. So what if he murdered dozens of small children. #Anakindindunuffin."
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#209 to #194 - notjewelry (12/26/2015) [-]
okay now it just feels like im talking about religion. i don't wanna start that argument if there is gonna be one so lets leave it at this
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#208 to #194 - notjewelry (12/26/2015) [-]
Tbh the whole problem is the force. Each side is so willing to **** **** up if it's to preserve their ideas on "The force" Which has absolutely no impact on the every day regular citizen of the universe. The whole problem started out because they wanted their side of the force to be the most powerful. If you take out the force, there probably wouldn't be any problems
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User avatar #129 to #127 - emiyashirou ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
The republic was pretty ****** up (the fact that ******* Jar Jar Binks could basically cause it to collapse is proof enough of that), but the point of main thing about being a jedi is not acting out of anger, since it would cause you to fall to the dark side, meaning jedi had to be taught from a young age to control their emotions.
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User avatar #131 to #129 - sgtmajjohnson (12/25/2015) [-]
But it doesn't sound like it's that different from suppressing emotion with opiates to control soldiers, when you think about it.
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#163 to #52 - anon (12/26/2015) [-]
That's because the prequels are utter ******* . Being better than the prequels is a baseline, not a commendation.

They don't make sense without even considering the original trilogy.
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#24 to #18 - blarghimdead (12/25/2015) [-]
**blarghimdead used "*roll picture*"**
**blarghimdead rolled image** well i guess thats what a communist would say, a communist faggot
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#122 to #13 - bann (12/25/2015) [-]
I agree with a lot of what you said...but is that really disney influence, or is it just JJ Abrams?

Either way I can't blame them, movies are always on a timer and they needed to add the force in somewhere. I'm just happy they built up the plot at a reasonable speed, I can forgive her weird force build up.
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User avatar #121 to #13 - viscerys ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Rey being skilled with the lightsaber and the force and all that isn't all that far-fetched in the universe. If you look at Luke, he grew up on a farm, whereas Rey grew up scavenging and constantly fighting for her life. Within, like, ten minutes of Luke training with a saber, he's able to deflect laser beams without even being able to see them. The constant urgency in Rey's life would make her more sensitive.

Plus, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that she could just be insanely gifted. It's happened before in the lore.
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#213 to #121 - LarsGoes (12/26/2015) [-]
the problem is more that she uses the tricks others have used before, without being told that those tricks are a "thing".

nobody (at least us seeing it) told her what the force is capable of specifically like obi wan told luke (feel the force and you can guess where the lazer will go).

pulling stuff with the force, giving orders to the weak minded. those things are very specific and in my opinion someone needs to tell force sensitive guys about them, or they will have to figure that stuff out over years. altough she saw some mind trick stuff when kylo tried to do **** in her mind during the interrogation.
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User avatar #217 to #213 - viscerys ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
Snoke is quite noticeably put off by the "awakening" when she starts getting her powers. Maybe the force is changing, giving more power to the light to restore the balance.
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#132 to #13 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
Something strange happened, that's all I can say for certain. Even Snoke sensed it.
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User avatar #141 to #13 - Kainim (12/26/2015) [-]
exactly my thoughts when i exited the cinema today
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User avatar #199 to #13 - Tvfreek (12/26/2015) [-]
> why is it easier for the younger people to learn the force?

Why is it easier for us to use computers?

It makes sense, especially for the year it was released in.
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User avatar #201 to #199 - Tvfreek (12/26/2015) [-]
Not sure about the lady tho. I meant for Ren.
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User avatar #85 to #13 - kurbeh (12/25/2015) [-]
What I dislike is that Disney essentially made the entire expanded Universe non-canon just to make these movies.
If the new trilogy replaces the old story of how the Rebels formed the New Republic and how the remains of the Empire under Admiral Thrawn fought back and had the Emperor being revived like three times etc, then it better be really damn good.
And it looks like it won't be : /
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User avatar #34 to #13 - drastronomy ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Also, we do not know the motives behind the order or the rebellion, or what the war is about...
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#119 to #13 - LarsGoes (12/25/2015) [-]
Rey was trained by her father Luke when Kylo Ren attacked them (her vision), but because she is his cousin he spared her(even killed a guy who wanted to kill her) and after wiping her mind or something he left her on that tattoine#2 planet. that is why kylo flips when the lieutenant tells him the droid and the trooper escaped with a girl.

she already HAD training in the force, it was just hidden away somewhere in my mind. that is my theory about what happened to her.

i had the same problem with the woooo i can trick storm troopers and stuff with her, until i found that "theory" works very well for me, feedback appreciated!
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#36 to #13 - deronemanwonder (12/25/2015) [-]
I agree that without training, she shouldn't be able to do anything with the force. It took Luke a long time training with Yoda, an extremely powerful, to just make a rock move. The theory I've heard is that Ray may have trained under Luke when she was little before she was left on that desert planet, but she had her memory erased, and that's why she doesn't remember anything before being left on that planet. She could have been sent away from the main group of Jedi apprentices before Ben (Kylo Ren) killed them all, so she has the training of a jedi apprentice, but it was just locked away in erased memories. Along the course of the movie, with all the talk of Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, her jedi powers started coming back and that's why she was able to use the force without seeming like she had training.
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User avatar #26 to #13 - dndxplain (12/25/2015) [-]
luke is able to block bolts from a training droid perfectly simply by clearing his mind. he also guides missiles down a narrow shaft with the force, once again just by feeling the force.
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User avatar #32 to #26 - laseneph ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
The force pervades all things which allows force sensitive races/people to sense the location of people and objects, this isn't even comparable to the complex jedi mind tricks that Rey performs with no guidance. Also in no way does he guide missiles down the shaft, all the x-wings were equipped with the necessary equipment to make the shot, all he had to do was hit the small target which was near invisible to the naked eye and normally required a targeting array, he is coerced by obi-wans force ghost to use the force to sense the location and point to fire at the target.
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User avatar #203 to #26 - lankou (12/26/2015) [-]
....... And that totally matches the amount of skill and influence over the force required to win in a battle of minds with a skilled "jedi" hes not a jedi i know but he ain't a sith so i don't know what to call him someone who has trained every single day hours on end on how to use the force from birth, when she doesn't even knew it really existed before that moment or she had the ability to control it
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User avatar #204 to #203 - dndxplain (12/26/2015) [-]
"she is strong in the force. stronger than she knows!" ~kylo ren
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User avatar #206 to #204 - lankou (12/26/2015) [-]
A was that told directly too her? the third person tone makes it sound as though people are talking about her not to her

B stronger than she knows ... its proven cannoicly that the force doesn't like indicision or uncertainty about the self and being able to lift a scratch her nose with the force is more than "she knows" she can do that doesn't mean shes betting a trained "jedi"
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User avatar #207 to #206 - dndxplain (12/26/2015) [-]
she had resisted his mind rape ability and figured she would test herself. that's not even uncertainty. it's confidence. also, the force can guide.
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User avatar #210 to #207 - lankou (12/26/2015) [-]
First of it ain't rape, second she didn't resist, she kicked his ass. She entered his mind and tore **** up and figured out his deepest darkest secret that he keeped locked up, even if the force guides it takes skill and mastery. Yoda dedicated his entire life to it and Luke spent months training before he could even hope of scratching someones mind.

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User avatar #211 to #210 - dndxplain (12/26/2015) [-]
Mind rape, not legit rape. I'm not a tumblrtard who thinks anything is rape. Mind rape is a legitimate term.

and yes, she resisted, kept key details out of his reach, and then reversed it on him. through sheer force of will.
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User avatar #212 to #211 - lankou (12/26/2015) [-]
yah thats the point and that level of ability and control over the force is not reasonable for someone who isn't even really yah the word of a crazy old lady and your child hood hero may be enough for you, but its not like watching someone manipulate time, space, energy, or steal thoughts sure it exists let alone ever controlled it. Especially when said person has not only been training with the force since birth, but is canonically a Skywalker and therefore a force wunderkind
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User avatar #15 to #13 - uglychino (12/25/2015) [-]
it's a movie not made by the same people of any previous movies
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User avatar #31 to #15 - soup (12/25/2015) [-]
Bruh it was co written by the writer of The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi
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User avatar #16 to #15 - pfccross (12/25/2015) [-]
but they had a very extensive and stable base to build on and they still decided they didn't want it.
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User avatar #17 to #16 - uglychino (12/25/2015) [-]
they don't care, they getting no awards, but the reward of $$$$$$$$$$$
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User avatar #23 to #13 - totaluser (12/25/2015) [-]
hey bud ive seen the movie but for those of us who havent i have a tip > use this
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User avatar #33 to #23 - pfccross (12/25/2015) [-]
i was before, but i figure idgaf about anyone who hasn't seen the movie after THIS long. They are casuals and not true fans and they can get over it if they browse the comments of star wars 7 content.
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#76 to #13 - sairen (12/25/2015) [-]
well when you consider that most jedi's are trained from a young age but luke somehow in like 1 year because the strongest for no ******* reason it doesn't exactly help your case. its 1 of the reasons i dislike movies 4-6 its all a bunch of jiberrish smushed together and makes little sense.

so considering how op luke was this bitch seems fine to me.
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#165 to #76 - anon (12/26/2015) [-]
You're complaining the original series doesn't make sense because of "jedi training requires them to be young", something the prequels established?

Wow, you're retarded.
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#221 to #165 - sairen (12/27/2015) [-]
oh yeah you are totaly i guess i just imagined yoda talking to ghosty-goo obi-wan about luke being too old and that they are trained at a young.

no no you're correct my bad i guess im just crazy.
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User avatar #186 to #165 - brobathehutt (12/26/2015) [-]
Actually it was like that in Kotor too. The only reason that your character in Kotor 1 is able to use jedi powers is because he was trained when he was a child and had amnesia and forgot all about it, thus had to be re-trained. He was a very powerful jedi and had the training already, so getting the training again wasn't a big deal for him.
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#114 to #13 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
I think Finn is shown with the saber in an attempt to make Rey's force powers a surprise; to kinda throw people off ya know?
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User avatar #20 to #13 - shaydarol (12/25/2015) [-]
matbe she has a lot of midichlorians (?)
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#39 to #20 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
maybe she has super cancer?
maybe she has lots of gonorrhoea?
maybe i try to defend women but i dont understand anything about it but maybe theyll have sex with me since im such a nice guy?
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User avatar #71 to #39 - shaydarol (12/25/2015) [-]
you did realize i said a joke right?
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User avatar #205 to #13 - iexs (12/26/2015) [-]
They're setting him up for the next movies, that's what the whole movie was, setting up their characters.

Rey using the force was pretty weird tho
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User avatar #142 to #13 - mooghens ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
That's your biggest gripe? Then consider this:
A droid gets stuck on a desert planet with an important map and has to get back to the rebels. It encounters a human on the local planet that adopts it sticks with it for a while. Because of the droids importance, the bad guys arrive and **** everything up, destroying the humans home and force them to flee of planet. With the help of an old friend of the rebels they manage to eventually escape, but not before the bad guys manage to demonstrate that they have a weapon powerful enough to destroy planets and could very likely make them win the conflict. So the merry band of heroes eventualy make their way to the rebel base and find out about the weapon. The rebel alliance concludes there is a crucial weakness in the weapon which will destroy the entire ******* thing and they set out to exploit that weakness in a daring attack.
The old friend gets killed during the entire quest by the main villain and after some leet piloting skillls they most certainly manage to blow the weapon up and save the day.
Now here's the question: Did i describe episode 4 or 7?
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User avatar #181 to #13 - lordmandy ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
It keeps taking less and less time, in Republic times, Jedis had to be trained since they were little and would become good maybe after 15 years? Then in episodes IV-VI Luke is like yeah well **** off I'll do it in like one month lolol (not sure how long honestly, but definitely not 15 years) and beats the ******* dark lord Darth Vader and his daddy the Emperor basically alone. And Rey... Welp, maybe 2 hours and she's done

By Episode IX they'll become Yoda in 10 mins.
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User avatar #51 to #13 - akkere ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
My biggest gripe with the whole film is we're given a massive time skip with a ton of off-camera context that's clearly influencing the plot in ways we (the viewer) can't know.
Because of this, we have a dozen fan theories (many of which easily crumble under scrutiny) and a feeling of waiting for a series of big plot elements and potential retcons in the next film. We hardly even know anything about the characters at all. We're given one scene at the end that could've been stretched just a few minutes to confirm a few things, annnnnnnnnnnnd - absolutely nothing.
I can understand the outcome of the battle between Rey and Kylo, though; Kylo DID get injured by Chewie's bowcaster, which had been sending people flying in the air before, and Ren is still an apprentice (but a damn skilled one at that). I think the battle would've been adequate if the scene had been adjusted such that the trench had formed right after Rey pushed back Ren but before she broke Ren's lightsaber, to indicate an impasse of force potential.
I'm hoping the way the films are going to work is while we have developing heroes, we also have a developing villain in Kylo Ren, such that he'll come back and show himself as a true threat after intense training with Snoke and perhaps even ascend to something other than just a mere dark jedi apprentice (a Sith to surpass Darth Vader and/or Snoke perhaps).
If they do it like that, the plot becomes evenly focused on Kylo and Rey such that the overarching theme of this trilogy becomes either a matter of finding a balance in the two sides of the Force (i.e. the theme of the now non-canon Legends Expanded Universe New Jedi Order arc, to which the films already give some allusions to) or a matter of redeeming yourself from the Dark Side, whereas the original and prequel trilogy were centered on resisting the Dark Side and falling to the Dark side respectively.
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User avatar #147 to #51 - cuzsunny (12/26/2015) [-]
Didn't they make a series of comics that were supposed to explain the events between VI and VII? Is that the Legends arc you mentioned?
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User avatar #135 to #13 - hellomynameisbill (12/26/2015) [-]
she figured out how to use the force during her years on Jakku. It's probably how she convinced the guy with the net to release BB-8
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#174 to #13 - anon (12/26/2015) [-]
Prodigious Force-users are by no means unheard of. There are plenty of characters in the EU that displayed an incredible talent for the Force from a young age. Rey may be older, but she had no idea she was Force-sensitive until she touched Anakin's lightsaber. In a sense, it's almost like she's a child discovering her powers for the first time. And if you recall she tried to mind-trick the storm trooper three times before it worked.

I don't care if Disney says the EU isn't canon anymore, I refuse to accept a retcon of 95% of Star Wars lore. All of the published EU content was officially licensed and sanctioned by the previous rights-holder. They can do whatever they want with the post-Return of the Jedi era, but they can take the pre-The Phanom Menace lore from me when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

Also Finn doesn't have to be a Jedi to use a lightsaber. If you recall, General Grievous was trained in swordsmanship by Dooku despite not being Force-sensitive. The only reason a non-Force user wouldn't use a lightsaber is because they can't utilize it as effectively as a Jedi or Sith could since they can't augment their movements or sense attacks using the Force. Finn had the lightsaber because Rey didn't want it, and Rey only used it when it was a matter of life and death while fighting Kylo Ren.

I don't disagree with the Disney influence, but the two points you mentioned have pretty straight-forward explanations.
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#180 to #174 - amicoolnowmom (12/26/2015) [-]
Not to mention that Han did use Luke's lightsaber at one point.
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User avatar #58 to #13 - grimfuck (12/25/2015) [-]
I think the midichlorians were desperate for balance in the force. so were like " **** it, lets just do what these fools need"
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#157 to #13 - icamebuckets (12/26/2015) [-]
You don't necessarily need to be able to use the force to wield a lightsaber. I mean look at General Grievous. He couldn't use the force and he had four lightsabers.
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#44 to #13 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
perhaps she is just naturally gifted like darth bane who wished for his fathers death every night and eventually it happened, he was so strong in the force he made his father have a heart subconsciously using this power to kill his father in his sleep.

there are those truly gifted and strong in the force not all jedi have to train years to to simply grasp the force, she is strong at effecting the mind, she uses mind trick, and she also at the end uses this mind force power to steal a technique of how to handle the sabre better and instill fear into darth emo.

some kickass star wars books out there if you haven't read them many with strong natural force users.
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#46 to #44 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
heart attack he is not the grench
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User avatar #55 - trollofhalo (12/25/2015) [-]
Considering he's not even from Earth, he's more than likely not Latino.
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User avatar #57 - sweetdickwilly ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
I went to see the movie twice. Loved it both times. People are a lot grumpier about things nowadays.
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User avatar #70 to #27 - cheesedreamer (12/25/2015) [-]
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#115 - goseikiba (12/25/2015) [-]
Now we wait for a supporting Asian. Oh wait, they already did it in The Phantom Menace.
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#98 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
I know I would be called a racist on any other site other than fj for saying this, but imo the new black Hermione is kinda inaccurate. I really dislike how JK does these "baits" to get attention and maybe some drama like saying dumbledore is gay many years later after the books. it added to completely nothing. . let's be honest, Hermione has always been illustrated and filmed as a caucasian brunette. it's not racism to say that.
I often see movies and books as separate entities. I see the movies as the one universe. in the movie universe at least, Hermione has been white.

the choice to make a black Hermione is just a bait and attempt to make drama, get free advertisement and boost the sales. I honestly don't care if she's black. I wouldn't have cared even back in the day, but now I have a very distinctive image what the movie Hermione is supposed to look like. you should aim for that.

this really reminds me when my country's run TV news channel funded a movie about our great warhero, but decided that the leading role should be put on some african person. many were furious and got called a racist, even tho the warhero was white as snow in reality.
it's really funny. what if we did a movie about a black person and put a white person to act them. people would lose their minds and shout racism. again.


as a mixed scandinavian and middle-asian I really don't get all these attention whoreings that so many try to do with a "diverse" cast.
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#113 to #98 - basichaharemix (12/25/2015) [-]
Honestly the black Hermione thing to me looks like the biggest ******* reach for diversity. I'm black, and I love seeing diversity in shows in movies. Give little black kids something to look up to and relate to. But what Rowling is doing looks like the biggest ******* cash grab.

"Never did I say Hermione's race, except for in the books where she is described as having fair skin and freckles and like wavy light brown hair. How many black girls do you know with fair skin, freckles, and wavy light brown hair? Come the **** off it Rowling. Not only that I could've sworn I saw a cover for one of the books that had her on it and even there she was white.

Normally I find it cool when a fictional character is made black (Captain America, Superman, etc) But this **** is just pure ******* bait and is being used to make money off of black people who don't see right through this ******** . At least in the defense of the comic book characters becoming black it's explained as it being an entirely different person. IE: The black Captain America formerly being The Falcon or Truth: Red, White, and Black's Captain America.

Black Hermione isn't diversity, it's just ******* bait and a cash grab. If you really want diversity, DO WHAT ANY OTHER ******* FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT DOES (in this case The Force Awakens) AND ******* MAKE CHARACTERS WHO ARE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FROM THE JUMP AS BLACK, LATINO, ASIAN, MENTALLY DISABLED, FEMALE, GAY, TRANS, OR WHAT THE **** EVER AND MAKE THEM THE MAIN CHARACTERS. Don't just say "Oh...I never said this character wasn't black..." because at that point even you know you're full of **** and too lazy to just create a new ******* character.
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#136 to #113 - CosplayNinja ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
Thank you. They're doing the same thing to the Gunslinger in Stephen King's The Dark Tower series. He's described as basically Clint Eastwood and one entire book in the series revolves around him and a schizo black lady from the 1960's that hates white people. I think Idris Elba is a great actor and could play the part wonderfully... but it wouldn't be enough like the original storyline. Of course, if Stephen King did have a problem with a black Gunslinger (or if JK Rowling had a problem with black Hermione), they would be labeled as racist so they have to get behind the idea regardless of what they want.
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User avatar #87 - heartbleed ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
The 'diverse' cast did feel like pandering but it didn't feel like it was shoehorned in and I liked the actors.
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#99 to #87 - thearcher (12/25/2015) [-]
Rey being a Mary Sue with piloting, fighting with a lightsaber against someone Hugely more experienced and still winning somehow, blasters & pulling off a Jedi mind trick in only 3 tries despite having presumably no knowledge they exist, refusing to take a man's help even though he was trying to save her life felt like Massive pandering to me - I don't want to say it ruined her character for me because it was like she was made to be too good and 'coincidentally' a woman, a little after the SJW outbreak (another coincidence) but it's close
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User avatar #100 to #99 - heartbleed ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
She won the lightsaber duel because Kylo is a cocky ******** sith in training who was hit by a bowcaster in the stomach, if he was anyone else he'd be dead. Your stomach muscles are hugely important for sword fighting so I think he did pretty good, he was also pretty tired out from fighting Finn. The force **** I can only assume was Luke influencing her from the moment she touched that light sabre. I also don't remember what part she refused someones help. The only part about that movie that bugged me is the whole 3rd ******* deathstar with the same goddamn weakspot that was on the other two...
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#103 to #100 - thearcher (12/25/2015) [-]
Finn was pretty disappointing to be honest - I thought he'd be better and actually Force-Sensitive but he's normal and is pretty much used mainly for humour, not to mention he's quite incompetent which leads to his ass getting handed to him more than once - even though he was taken from his family as a child and trained as a soldier from there

I mean, I get he's in sanitation but come on, you'd think they'd train them All to be decent soldiers anyway
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#47 - sircool (12/25/2015) [-]
Poe was the only cool one in the movie after BB-8.

Finn is a wimpy bitch that gets his ass handed to him and for no reason left the order.

Rey is super mary-sue in the last hour, using advance jedi tricks then beating the big bad. Yeah, he's wounded. He was winning that fight five minutes ago, and suddenly she some how cleared her entire mind. Force visions imprinted in the saber? Sure. Moving **** with mind? Sure. Mind tricks/reverse mind read? Bull **** .

Han calls out the movie twice in a meta style with two lines. "They built another one?" And "that's not how the force works."
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User avatar #175 to #47 - ohemgeezus (12/26/2015) [-]
Finn left the order because one of his best friends(the strormtrooper that wiped the blood on his helmet) died right in front of him, and he couldn't handle it
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User avatar #126 to #47 - mrvalane (12/25/2015) [-]
1. How is Chewie not cool?
2. Finn left the order because he didnt like they were trained and forced to shoot unarmed, innocent civilians. He was pretty distressed about this
3. Ok
4. I got nothing other than comedy
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User avatar #130 to #126 - sircool (12/25/2015) [-]
1. in the list of new characters. old characters that returned were spot on/awesome.
2. only person to do so despite going to same stormtrooper propaganda school all other kidnapped kids went to.
4. First is calling out the film on how it's 90% copy and paste of A new hope, second calling out Rey's mary-sueness with powers.
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#72 to #47 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
"For no reason left the order"
Except for the opening scene where he saw what they did to the villagers and realized that it was wrong and horrible. Any decent human being would have done the same thing.

Rey is a super mary-sue, and that is just poor writing. I was expecting Luke to come in and save them, that would have made sense, because I'm wondering what the **** he was doing the entire time.
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User avatar #83 to #72 - distortedflare ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
I thought Luke was going to save their ass from a older and more skilled sith but no Stronk womyn don't need no man so she suddenly unleashes her women powers and beats a sith that are renowned for being stronger and given she had up to that point never held a light saber or sabre I call ******** . It is like watching two amateur trying sparring for the first time. The fight was clunky slow and all out pathetic.
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User avatar #101 to #83 - theasexualgamer ONLINE (12/25/2015) [-]
Couple of points.
Major Spoilers ahead, obviously.
After Ren killed Solo, he was shot by Chewie's Bowcaster, one of the more powerful handheld weaponry in the official Canon. He was enraged, and he wasn't fully trained. Rey had also spent half her life beating up people with a staff.
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User avatar #187 to #83 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
be glad luke's even in it. if he had shown up on starkiller base, he'd probably be in han's position.
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#73 to #72 - sircool (12/25/2015) [-]
the one and only person to not be totally brainwashed in stormtrooper school. K.
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User avatar #178 - lordmandy ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
it doesn't suck.

It could've been better, WAY better.

But it doesn't suck
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User avatar #183 to #178 - nywrestler (12/26/2015) [-]
Yeah I thought it was entertaining. Not groundbreaking or earth-shattering or anything, but an entertaining movie.
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User avatar #184 to #183 - lordmandy ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
Exactly my thoughts, a bit of a disappointment because well... It's Star Wars, but oh well.. Hopefully they'll change the director cuz I didn't like the use of depth of field
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User avatar #191 to #184 - nywrestler (12/26/2015) [-]
Honestly I'm not a huge Star Wars fan, I don't dislike it but I wasn't born at the right time to appreciate them I guess. I was born in '84 so I was too young to appreciate the originals when they came out. When I was in my teens/early 20s is when the next three came out and they pretty much sucked.

I'm sure this isn't a popular opinion right now but I thought the JJ Abrams reboot of Star Trek were much more entertaining, had better character development and cooler characters overall. I'll take new Kirk and Spock over the traitor and angry girl any day of the week.
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User avatar #202 to #178 - bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
There were a few things I didn't like, but I feel like this could be the setup to an amazing new series.
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User avatar #1 - misternobodie [OP](12/25/2015) [-]
For the spoilerfags, don't even try, I know that Kylo ren winter is coming
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User avatar #9 to #1 - evilkingganon (12/25/2015) [-]
Go watch it and make your own opinion of it OP. If you like it you like it and if not oh well. Dont let others opinions divert you from something you enjoy
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User avatar #7 to #1 - ericr (12/25/2015) [-]
In my eyes it's deliberate indoctrination. The message in the background seems to go well beyond tolerance.
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#10 to #7 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
It's Polygon, mate. They're well known to be kool-aid drinkers.
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#56 - dirtymcnasty (12/25/2015) [-]
I still dont understand how everyone on the internet liked this movie other than the phantom menace I thought this one was the worst. The movie felt like it tried to use callbacks to the original trilogy to make up for the movies lack of an interesting plot. And the villains were just the worst there is nothing intimidating about plasma and kylo ren.
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#117 - ishotthedeputy (12/25/2015) [-]
People here really are spending a lot of time yelling about how little they care about someone's race when nothing is going wrong, yet when there are racial tensions, race is the only thing mentioned.
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#168 to #117 - anon (12/26/2015) [-]
I distinctly remember calling this movie **** for many more reasons than just the forced diversity, myself.
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User avatar #116 - basichaharemix (12/25/2015) [-]
I have nothing wrong with diversity, I just hate that fake diversity ******** that authors, directors, etc do just to make money off of a particular crowd. They're so ******* transparent with it.
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User avatar #38 - ScottP (12/25/2015) [-]
It's not like females haven't been in movies as lead characters before. Or black people. Or hispanic people. Or literally people of every race.
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User avatar #41 to #38 - Tyranitar (12/25/2015) [-]
Yes, but the problem is these people saw Star Wars as a "white man movie" so they think it's a huge leap to have a black guy or a woman in it. Most of them probably couldn't name you 3 characters from the entire series.
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#28 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**I hope I don't spoil too much. It's rather clever when Jar Jar Binks was announced as the Sith and train some traitor to mimic the force, unfortunately they cannot use it, to gain trust with the 25-Obenk-high guards to hack into the main systems. So, Jar Jar can manipulate ship controls and watch his enemies. The next movie is going to be epic!
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User avatar #25 - oxymoronking (12/25/2015) [-]
poe was in it for like literally 10 minutes, ******* chewie counts as a bigger lead
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User avatar #190 to #25 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
poe was originally going to get killed off.
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#67 - thejusticar (12/25/2015) [-]
why are people acting like this movie is the god of all movies. its pretty average overall. might of been because i had everything spoiled for me but nothing seemed surprising and somethings even a bit confusing.
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#105 - thegamegestapo (12/25/2015) [-]
I went to see this film expecting it to be bad. I was right, but not for the reasons you guys are implying.

The good:
-The soundtrack. It's John Williams, what else do I need to say.
- Finn. Watch it with your anti-SJW goggles turned off and you'll realise he's a decent character who is well acted by John Boyega. The concept of a stormtrooper switching sides is actually pretty novel but above all he's fun to watch. Pretending to be a Resistance fighter and convincing BB-8 to play along? Fun. Effectively playing with an ancient weapon before going back to the blaster he's familiar with? Fun. His reaction to capturing Phasma and shooting stuff with laser cannons on the Falcon? Pretty damn fun. I found myself wanting to see more of him with Poe because that was excellent.
-Speaking of which, Poe was pretty good for the limited time he had on screen. I think he was meant to be Wedge, but I'll accept it as a worthy contribution.
-Rey. While she wasn't quite as good as Finn you can't forget that she's the Jedi of the story. Re-watch the original and compare her to Luke, she holds up pretty well. Yes, her sudden mastery of the Force was a little contrived (I'm choosing to assume it was a lingering effect of Kylo Ren's influence). Her defeating Ren at the end was also not as ridiculous as it seemed, partially since based Finn had already injured him but more significantly because Kylo Ren sucks the major bantha poodoo (more on that later).

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#200 to #105 - anon (12/26/2015) [-]
I agree Finn is a fun and likable character. The character, and how the character is acted, make the movie more enjoyable.

The problem is, given Finn's situation, there's no logical reason for him to be that likable. His backstory is (spoilering just in case, even though it's not really a spoiler) he was stolen from his parents as a tiny baby and forced to be brought up as a stormtrooper, indoctrination and brainwashing and all. Now, given that backstory, there is absolutely no way that Finn would be as well adjusted to interacting with other people as he is. He wouldn't have all the same mannerisms and habits that he has. He acts like he grew up as a regular guy in some city or village on some planet, and was only a stormtrooper for the past 5 years or so. It makes no sense, when considering how humans develop.

Now, I get why they did this, because they attempted to shove a buttload of stuff into a 2 hour movie, and they didn't have the time or desire to develop Finn from a socially displaced stormtrooper into the lovable rouge that we see in the movie. But that doesn't stop his character from being incredibly out of place, and one of a number of things that fell by the wayside due to the blistering pace at which the movie attempts to move.

I don't know what the rest of the movies are going to be, obviously, but I currently feel like I would have much preferred this first movie in the trilogy to have been slower paced and centered around character building, instead of trying to fit in as many important events and original trilogy fanservice as possible.
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#123 to #105 - anon (12/25/2015) [-]
The concept of a stormtrooper switching sides is really novel. It's not like Kyle Katarn in half a dozen video games
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#134 to #105 - upyoursnumbnuts (12/26/2015) [-]
The idea of a Storm Trooper changing sides is novel, except in almost every Star Wars novel written in the last thirty years or in almost every Star Wars comic book.
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#124 to #105 - thegamegestapo (12/25/2015) [-]
The Bad:

-The plot. Poe goes to a backwater planet looking for a clue to the location of Luke Skywalker (which, for some reason, an old man vaguely tied to the rebellion has). This clue happens to be a star-chart BUT oh wait, it's missing the rest of the galaxy. Fortunately, the plot conspires to place Rey in the grasp of the First Order. They also apparently have a superweapon massively more powerful than the Death Star which they proceed to use to wipe out the Republic with one swift stroke. Han and the new kids on the block do their thing, leading to Han getting shishkebabed by his now evil son, Ren all along. The Resistance then blows the thing up and Rey tracks down Luke after R2 reboots for no real reason and just happened to have the missing piece of the puzzle.
It's as dumb as it is full of plot holes.
-The props. This wasn't awful but deeply inconsistent. Yes, it was nice to see X-wings again but what about any of the other craft the rebels were using? A-Wings, Y-Wings, even B-Wings damn it! The new blaster rifles were also generic sci-fi and lacking in that rugged practical look that the Lucas films had. The dumb Rensaber has been done to death but it's not especially goofy when compared to the light up blaster rifles.
-The Starkiller Base could have been a cool concept. It wasn't for two reasons:
1) That thing came out of nowhere. The Death Star had a description in the opening crawl, Leia was clearly afraid of the thing, the Imperial Officers were all practically drooling over its destructive power and then Tarkin goes ahead and fires the thing to make a point. Lots of build-up, solid pay off. Table has been set for the heroes to destroy the thing. The Starkiller base just kind of showed up like "Yo Supreme Leader, if you want we can use our devastating secret weapon to wipe out all our enemies. I know you're worried about one dude in exile though so I'm just going to put it on the table".
2) Zero consequences. When the Death Star was destroyed Leia lost her home planet. Obi-Wan had to have a sit down because of all the death. Even though we didn't see a single shot of Alderaan, we cared it was destroyed. Compare that with the destruction of the Republic homeworld. Zero foreshadowing, an admittedly pretty cool firing sequence and a brief look at all the stuff it destroyed.
Yawn.
I don't even remember the name of the system that was destroyed and they completely gloss over the fact that it was basically a deathblow to galactic government. It's treated as an inconvenience to the Resistance that they no longer have the Republic fleet backing them up. When Poe and his crew destroy the thing the emotional pay-off is less than when Rogue Squadron took down the first AT-AT in the Empire Strikes Back.

Almost all the problems of the film can be put down to a single critical issue. Star Wars under Lucas was an epic about a galaxy in turmoil. The events took centre stage and the characterisation came from how they re-acted to the things around them. Star Wars under Abrams was about characters with the galaxy taking a back seat. This was a film about some people with some inter-personal dramas at work and that misses the point of what George Lucas created like Red Leader missed the exhaust port.

Bluntly, it certainly had its moments but it was not a worthy successor. It was something, but that something was not Star Wars.
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#133 to #124 - thegamegestapo (12/25/2015) [-]
Addendum:

What was up with the villains? Kylo Ren was more of a whiny little brat than Anakan was. He was utterly incompetent from the get go, killing the old man who knew the location of Luke (because evulz), letting BB-8 go because he found himself a sister girl to take home to Supreme Leader Snoke.

And Snoke? What kind of a name is that supposed to be? Was Sheev too serious sounding or does Abrams just like to name his bad guys after cats?

Captain Phasma was in the film for all of four minutes and spent the last minute of those being dragged around as a hostage. Brienne was marketed as a force to be reckoned with and ended up being upstaged by TR-8R.

The only moderately competent villain was General Hux, and even that was only because of his limited screw-ups and killer speech.
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User avatar #164 to #124 - huntergriff ONLINE (12/26/2015) [-]
I disagree with the destruction of hosnian prime not having consequences. The galaxy is bound to be in some sort of anarchic state now that the capital of the new republic and most likely its fleet has been completely wiped off the face of the galaxy.
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