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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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#2 - anon id: b0a47acd
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Everyone is pretending like it is equally both parties' fault. It's not. It's so convenient to blame everyone equally to avoid disagreements. Clearly, the Republicans are the ones at fault.
#31 to #2 - trollolololgabe
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good one
good one
#8 to #2 - Visier
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#6 to #2 - gassnake
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'm Glad you watched the Senate and House of Represenatives sessions, because the Democrats wouldn't compromise no matter what.
#7 to #2 - goastremusov
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Blaming everyone equally and willingly seeing fault on both sides isn't the same thing, jackass.
User avatar #13 to #2 - keiishiyama
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The Republicans are at fault for preventing a bill that most Americans don't want, the government can't afford, and with which small businesses would have been destroyed?

The only things that benefit from Obamacare are the large businesses without competition who can still pay for it.
User avatar #46 to #13 - angelusprimus
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Will you stop' repeating that most americans don't want it.
Its an annoying lie.
Here is ******* fox news article:
www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/09/30/five-reasons-americans-already-love-obamacare-plus-one-reason-why-theyre-gonna/
User avatar #58 to #46 - keiishiyama
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Because Fox is totally a trustworthy news source. If you don't get it from the Washington Post, BBC, or The Guardian, I'm not going to believe it.
User avatar #39 to #13 - dirknad
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Well, not quite. Quite a few large businesses are exempt. Totally not favoritism and crony capitalism or anything.
#3 to #2 - adu
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So it can't possibly just be badly written legislation, right?   
The only possible explanation is that republicans hate everyone, right?   
Couldn't be that inflationary fiscal policy is bad for the economy, eh?   
   
******* bipartisan indoctrination is the death of this country... it's always the other party's fault.
So it can't possibly just be badly written legislation, right?
The only possible explanation is that republicans hate everyone, right?
Couldn't be that inflationary fiscal policy is bad for the economy, eh?

******* bipartisan indoctrination is the death of this country... it's always the other party's fault.
#10 to #3 - anon id: 43dbfca8
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it doesn't even ******* matter if its a bad law. its a law. LAW.
its done. fin. end. is ded.
they can repeal it once its been put into effect, but nothing has happened yet. a government shut doesnt doesn't stop its funding. (i agree it should be revised but its a tad bit ridiculous to hold the gov hostage dont ya think?)
User avatar #11 to #10 - ChaosShuffle
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This is America. We try to change things that shouldn't be. At least some of us try We're just starting on this one early. Also. I don't know how it managed to pass in the first place.
#16 to #11 - anon id: 43dbfca8
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literally the most retarded thing i have read all day. i dont give a flying **** if you like the LAW or not. fact is its a law that has passed. you want to appeal it? fine go ahead, appeal it like anything else that has ever been appealed. i dont give a ****.

the government shut down is stupid cause it literally has no impact on obamacare. THE CHANNELS THAT FUND IT ARE NOT BEING AFFECTED. its beyond petty.
User avatar #23 to #16 - psydoc
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This is what budget battles are about. What to fund and what not to fund. We're already spending way over what we take in, so it's hard to side with the people who want to increase borrowing even more.
User avatar #19 to #16 - ChaosShuffle
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... Ok. I can't help but get the vibe that you're blaming me for shutting down the government. I was only referencing the obamacare law and the fact that there is in fact something that can be done about it. That fact that it IS law does not mean that it must REMAIN law.
User avatar #24 to #3 - drtrousersnake
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women, liberals and non-whites can't be wrong. First rule of the media (excluding Fox "News").
User avatar #4 - douthit
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I don't like the individual mandate. It's wrong to force someone to buy something. Plus, Obamacare is an overly complicated solution to an problem caused by too much legislation in the first place.
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#35 to #4 - willysbilly
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Well it passed 3 years ago, was signed into law and given the go-ahead by the Supreme Court. Despite your personal beliefs, a true belief in the American Democracy rules that the Affordable Care Act should be passed through.
#36 to #35 - nightstar
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Jim Crowe laws did all that stuff too...
User avatar #38 to #36 - ilikebbc
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>comparing socialized healthcare to jim crow laws
you're a ******* moron.
User avatar #54 to #38 - douthit
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That's just an ad hominem attack and fallacy.
#37 to #36 - willysbilly
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Passed by state Congresses, not the Federal Congress. The supreme Court never ruled in favor of Jim Crow laws since the Plessy v. Ferguson (1896) case, which only applied to separate but equal schooling. The Supreme Court has ruled on this bill. Plus this is an economic as opposed to social bill.
User avatar #48 to #35 - dirknad
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They did all of that with the Espionage and Sedition Acts of 1917 too (Schenck v United States, Eugene v. Debs).
They also upheld the Japanese internment camps in Korematsu v United States during WWII.
Dred Scott v. Sanford allowed for segregation ("separate but equal"), in addition to allowing the government to determine a group of people as non-persons based on race.
Marbury v. Madison essentially monopolizes the federal government as the judge of its own power.

There are far more examples, but just because the Supreme Court says something is constitutional doesn't mean they are right.
User avatar #53 to #35 - douthit
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I don't support democratic rule, because 51% can vote away the rights of the 49%.
User avatar #18 - andimac
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Can anyone tell me what the **** has happened in america these past few days? Where did this all come from? Why are their government shutting down?
User avatar #21 to #18 - douthit
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Our government is heavily in debt, nearly $17 trillion. The debt is over 100% of GDP, which is a terrible milestone to pass, from what I hear economists say. The government didn't officially even pass a budget for many of the past few years, and only "deemed" it to have passed, so that Representatives in Congress could technically say they didn't vote for more deficit and debt. Lately they've been funding the government only a little at a time, in short increments. The debt ceiling is a limit that, when reached, doesn't allow the government to put the nation into even further debt, and it's been raised many times now. The Republicans gained a majority in the House of Representatives recently, which is our lower house. Most of them are for less taxation and less spending, and the only real power they have is control of the government's money. They put their collective foot down the last time and said they wouldn't raise the debt ceiling unless the Democrats let them include tax breaks and spending cuts. The Republicans caved, and none of that happened. So they're putting their foot down again and not raising the debt limit, which cuts off funding for like 1% of the government. I'm sure they'll cave again.
#43 to #21 - anon id: efad3bbc
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debt to gdp:

1 Luxemburg 3,443%
2 Ireland 1,008%
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4 UK 406%
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24 Germany - 142%
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32 USA - 106%
#40 to #21 - anon id: e012709b
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yea... that has nothing to do with anything pal.

check UK their % is MUCH higher than the US's and no problem there.

if you want to know the real reason just look at comment 34. and don't believe anything stupid you see on the internet.. i mean sure their debt is high, but in % to gdp it's not.
User avatar #26 to #21 - strikingeight
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17 ******* trillion? Jesus Christ, the last time I checked it was 6 trillion.
User avatar #27 to #26 - bypest
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No, that was the amount of Jews who were turned into soap in the Shoah.
User avatar #33 to #27 - undeadwill
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And byposted. The whole gang is here
User avatar #28 to #27 - strikingeight
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Where the Hell did you get the Holocaust out of that?
User avatar #29 to #28 - bypest
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I think by that 6 trillion figure you are referring to the amount of debt that Obama has accumulated throughout his presidency so far.
User avatar #30 to #29 - strikingeight
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Thanks for clearing that up, I was about to freak out.
User avatar #34 to #18 - akkere
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Do you want the short story or the long story?

Short Story: Healthcare, after being rejected numerous times, comes out with a flawed variation that is being actively forced into passing as we speak.

Long Story: Republicans (where their blame comes to play) constantly block out all forms of healthcare that doesn't have their name on it, dating back to the Clinton administration. Democrats (where their blames comes to play) decide to jump on a last-ditch opportunity to get a healthcare plan out that's actually pretty flawed.
The two parties are now in a major conflict and the result is this government shut down. Government shut downs actually happen all the time (believe it or not) - eventually, it ends with some kind of agreement, but what makes this one special is compromise might not be very probable. Because of this, the shut down we are enduring in particular might end up lasting much longer than what was forethought.

This healthcare pissing contest between the two parties has devolved into the current situation we are in now, and even though it's not as severe as people make it out to be (LEL NO MOE LAWS ANARCHY LULZ), it is actually problematic to an extent because of the circumstances regarding it.
User avatar #42 to #34 - angelusprimus
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they block healthcare even with their name on it.
Hell Nixon tried to pass much better health care act then obamacare back in sixties, but his own party blocked them.
User avatar #47 to #42 - akkere
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A fact that I find pretty funny. And painfully sad.
Because now after numerous variations of healthcare that hold up to be much better in regard were turned down, the one that does end up going through is only going to cause problems in the long run.

Good thing I know how to swim, cause this pissing contest is far from over.
User avatar #49 to #47 - angelusprimus
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Obamacare sucks. Only thing it has going for it is that its a bit better then what we had before.
Maybe after its firmy in place, some good legislation can change it into a good law.
User avatar #50 to #49 - akkere
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I hope plenty of revisions are placed to make it improved - and soon. The only good thing Obamacare really serves at this point is to be a doorway to healthcare - And I can only hope that's the reason it's being forced to the point that this government shut down **** storm is dragged on.
User avatar #52 to #50 - angelusprimus
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there are three provisions of obamacare i absolutely support.
1: making denying coverage on pre exisiting condition illegal.
2: extending ability for an child to stay on parent's plan till 26 years old
3: tax subsidies for small buisnesses to pay insurance for employees.

those are GOOD very GOOD things.
There are other good provisions, like that small businesses can band together and if they reach 500 employees together they can get insurance together on a group plan, which is much better, cheaper and affordable then individual plans.
There is a lot of ******** too, but there is a lot of wheat in the chaff.
User avatar #55 to #52 - akkere
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Yeah, provisions like these are what make Obamacare at the very least a doorway to a better form of healthcare for the nation, and by themselves they already solve a lot of issues that occur for people day in and day out.
I just hope that when this is all laid out, there isn't a warzone within Congress to simply repeal it entirely instead of providing revisions and additions to it in order to make it a much more efficient piece of legislature.
User avatar #20 to #18 - pebar
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the democrats are playing all or nothing
#22 to #20 - maxsexington
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User avatar #32 to #20 - undeadwill
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Hey pebar.
User avatar #15 - mummyslittlebitch
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Not to be that guy, but in this case, I think it's pretty clear which party cares less about us.
User avatar #25 to #15 - drtrousersnake
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the anarchist political party?
User avatar #45 to #25 - angelusprimus
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The whigs.
User avatar #12 - xxcxpxx
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roses are red violets are blue, i don't give a **** about politics and neither do you
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User avatar #41 - demandsgayversion
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Does nobody realize this isn't the first time there's been a government shutdown? Bush Senior did it, Clinton did it, Reagen did it, Nixon AND Ford did it. It's as legitimate a procedure as the filibuster, but similarly obscure.
User avatar #17 - Onemanretardpack
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Goddamn people are ignorant. The house really came through in the eleventh hour, but unfortunately, the democrat controlled Senate shot down every proposed bill they sent to them
User avatar #44 to #17 - angelusprimus
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Stop drinking kool aid. Their elevent hour proposal still wanted to postpone key parts of Afordable Care Act.
User avatar #56 to #44 - Onemanretardpack
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It still would have stopped the shutdown you twat
User avatar #57 to #56 - angelusprimus
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Ok so for twat: You are ignorant pahtetic idiot who will believe everything he hears from fox news, and does not have a brain power to actually understand the issues.
And now to explain I'll use only simple words.
tea party bad men want no no on obama care. obama care pass, pass congress, pass senate, pass constitution court.
tea party bad men not happy. tea party bad men say "do what we want, or we shut down government" obama say "No negotiate with blackmail" tea party men say "ok, we do slightly less offensive blackmail" obama say "no negotiate with blackmail"

Or how adults would say it. Tea party republicans had nothing to negotiate with. They didn't come to the table with anything. They didn't offer any concessions. They just said "Do not enforce the law we don't like or we will shut down government" democrats said "This is blackmail, not negotiation, no deal." so tea party members said "Ok, so we won't defund it, we will just postpone it to give ourselves more time to kill it" and democrats said "You are still not offering anything, just blackmailing, no deal"
If they wanted a deal they should have offered something.
In Reagan era democrats would come to Reagan and said "We don't want to fund new missiles, you don't want to fund public works, we want stronger enviroment regulation, you want less market regulation." and they would make a deal where no missile or public work funds and enviroment regulation goes up and market regulation goes down.
That was because Reagan was a great president and compromised and made country go foward. Tea party asshats just blackmail, give nothing and demand everything. That's not something democrats are willing to accept, or should.
User avatar #59 to #57 - Onemanretardpack
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AGAIN, House Republicans and Democrats agreed on multiple budgets that were shot down by Senate Democrats. The bill provided funding and postponed some other stuff about Obamacare. Maybe you're the one who shouldn't believe whatever is on the news. I don't even watch Fox, but it seems that people that share your political views like to generalize and be rude as much as possible to people with differing political views.
User avatar #60 to #59 - angelusprimus
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That is a baldfaced complete lie. House republicans proposed funding for obamacare that would postpone key aspects of it, the ones that people actually want, while putting in affect those aspects that are most problematic.
Basically sabotaging entire bill. Only idiot would agree to that one. But believe whatever the hell you want. because people like you are too much in the pocket of republicans and will believe whatever the **** they say.
User avatar #61 to #60 - Onemanretardpack
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Are you ******* dense? They postponed it because they knew it was going to cause them to have a shutdown if they tried to argue out the details. And guess what happened? It's common knowledge that they compromised on a bill and sent it to the senate and was shot down. Believe it or not, they're voting on behalf of their constituants, not trying to sabotage the country you ******* dunce
User avatar #62 to #61 - angelusprimus
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You ******* moron.
They were trying to get what they want, and blackmailed for it, and then they got called on it and they actually activated the shutdown and morons like you think they were compromising.
They werent ******* compromising, they didn't offer anything, they just went from a big blackmail to a smaller blackmail, and its STILL ******** BLACKMAIL YOU IDIOT.
And no, they are ******* not voting for their constiutents, because 93% of the voters DID NOT WANT A SHUTDOWN. They, your tea party darlings, are voting for Koch brothers and other major corporation who's dicks they are sucking, and idiots like you think they are doing it for you.
But yeah, as long as morons like you drink the kool aid and keep thinking what they are doing is good for you, we will all be ******.
User avatar #63 to #62 - Onemanretardpack
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It's still kool aid if you drink a different flavor than me, friend. You seem like a very angry person, maybe you should just sit down for a minute and breathe?
User avatar #64 to #63 - angelusprimus
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"are you ******* dense"
"you ******* dunce"
Its funny how for people like you things are only bad when other people do it.
Hypocrite.
User avatar #65 to #64 - Onemanretardpack
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Getting upset with someone who's being a total douche isn't the same thing as raging at someone having a differing opinion
User avatar #66 to #65 - angelusprimus
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You are right. And I really shouldn't have gotten so upset at you just because you are a total douche.
User avatar #67 to #66 - Onemanretardpack
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Yepp, cuz I'm the one who started an argument with someone for having a different opinon. I'd build you a time machine so you can go hang out with Hitler (I hear he hated people with different opinions too!), but timetravel isn't a thing and never will be. So you're just stuck here I guess. Arguing with people because you have nothing better to do
User avatar #68 to #67 - angelusprimus
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Wow, Godwin's law in six replies.
And really really have no ability of self introspection.
First post off, you called everyone who disagrees with you ignorant.
To my reply, which was snarky but not rude, you started with personal insults.
So I replied with personal insult to you and explained why what you are saying is not true. Giving actual data.
To which you just replied with a lie, and calling me rude to people with differing opinions even though you literally started this with calling everyone who differs from you ignorant, and started with personal insults at me.
Then again next reply from you came with a personal insult. To which I replied back with insults. And then you called me an angry person. Even though you started with offending and personal insults.
And I didn't start an argument with you for having differing opinion. I started an argument with you ebcause you called people who have differing opinion from you ingorant even though you either don't have the facts, or believe lies.
And then you pull Hitler, invoking goodwin's law. Which is a mother of all ignorant arguments.
User avatar #69 to #68 - Onemanretardpack
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>Data
Still waiting on that
>Lie
[CITATION NEEDED}

Yeah, I'm gonna go. It's like arguing with a wall able to manifest it's angst into belligerent awkwardly written paragraphs
User avatar #70 to #69 - angelusprimus
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Its so funny how you glossed over the fact that every single insult and rudeness started with you.
Please do go, you are embaressing yourself.
User avatar #71 to #70 - Onemanretardpack
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Yeah, except it didn't. Go look at your first reply
User avatar #72 to #71 - angelusprimus
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You did. Go look at your first post.
You called everyone who disagrees with you ignorant in your very first post.
User avatar #73 to #72 - Onemanretardpack
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And I was right. Regardless of what your spin on everything is, the House compromised on multiple bills that were shot down by the Senate. Not knowing the truth is ignorance
User avatar #76 to #73 - angelusprimus
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Since we reached the limit of replies I'll reply here.
I know what blackmail is.
blackmail: the act of attempting to obtain money, good, services or advantage by intimidation.
compromise: A settlement of differences in which each side makes concessions.
Ok so republicans were demanding that the legaly passed law be changed. All they were offering were different changes. They didn't offer anything in return, no concessions, no voting for other laws. Nothing. But they said "If changes are not made they will shut down the government.
So they made a threat, demanded advantage to them, without offering concessions.
So it was not compromise, it was blackmail. By definition.
and here is the timeline, enjoy educating yourself.
User avatar #74 to #73 - angelusprimus
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No you weren't.
Because no matter how many times you repeat it it doesn't change the fact that house republicans were trying to make Senate and President change law that has already passed congress, senate, president AND Supreme court. Without offering anything in return except blackmailing that they will shut down government if they don't get their way.
That's not Republicans compromising. that is just them giving different levels of blackmail, because they never ever offered anything but "not shutting down government" in exchange for changing a law they don't like, that has passed all legal procedures.
You are the ignorant one.
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[CITATION NEEDED]

I really don't think you know what blackmail means, but I guess I can expect that from the ignorant
#9 - anon id: 9ebce82c
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Way2******* edgy
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Best President 2013