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anythingoes (01/06/2016) [-]
Superman killing joker
"But Imma good guy. I'll just rule over the world to make sure everything goes as I want. Dictatorship? Sure. I'm the best suited for that."
Batman killing the joker
"I did what was necessary, but it was still wrong, I'll do my time."
"But Imma good guy. I'll just rule over the world to make sure everything goes as I want. Dictatorship? Sure. I'm the best suited for that."
Batman killing the joker
"I did what was necessary, but it was still wrong, I'll do my time."
#52 to #21
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hikakiller (01/06/2016) [-]
I think it's silly that bruce refuses to kill him in the movie. Sure, it's "what the joker wants" but it doesn't make bruce a bad person.
#150 to #52
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sherlockbatman ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-]
**sherlockbatman used "*roll picture*"**
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
especially because he 100% killed Ras Al Ghul in the first movie too
Joker tripped over the balcony and fell all on his own. in fact, he kinda jumped over the wall and threw himself down.
that would have been the perfect spot to callback to the first movie
"I'm not gonna kill you...
but I don't have to save you either!"
he didn't feel bad about letting Harvey accidentally himself earlier in the same, damn movie
**sherlockbatman rolled image**
especially because he 100% killed Ras Al Ghul in the first movie too
Joker tripped over the balcony and fell all on his own. in fact, he kinda jumped over the wall and threw himself down.
that would have been the perfect spot to callback to the first movie
"I'm not gonna kill you...
but I don't have to save you either!"
he didn't feel bad about letting Harvey accidentally himself earlier in the same, damn movie
#208 to #150
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anon (01/07/2016) [-]
Yep, and in the comics they make a HUGE point about Batman's moral code when it comes to inaction. If he doesn't do anything to stop it when he has the power to, he considers that just as bad as murder, in Under the Red Hood he even saves Joker when Red Hood has him at gunpoint.
He also blew up to brakes of the train. No matter where you are, I'm prettu sure he that counts at murder.
Also, killed:
-A bunch of assassins and the fake Ra's Al Ghul rather than kill a murderer (who probably died too).
-Harvey Dent/Two-Face by pushing him out of a building.
-Miranda Tate/Talia Al Ghul and the truck driver by remote controlling the batwing to shoot at the truck.
Pretty good for a guy who claims to have a no-kill code (This is why the movie version of Avengers don't have them. It maked things too complicated).
Also, killed:
-A bunch of assassins and the fake Ra's Al Ghul rather than kill a murderer (who probably died too).
-Harvey Dent/Two-Face by pushing him out of a building.
-Miranda Tate/Talia Al Ghul and the truck driver by remote controlling the batwing to shoot at the truck.
Pretty good for a guy who claims to have a no-kill code (This is why the movie version of Avengers don't have them. It maked things too complicated).
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hikakiller (01/07/2016) [-]
If batman's moral compass is so strong, I'm pretty sure it's facing the wrong direction. If you have the chance to save someone, not doing it is 100% killing them, even if indirectly. With that logic, he could have paid someone to kill him, etc. Silly directors/whoever interprets the script
You do realize this is all a hallucination from the Superman that Killed the Joker in Injustice right? He was put under a spell where his life would be great in his dreams. This is that dream.
which completely shows that supes is a total egoist.
his ideal scenario is a situation in which the harshest punishment is dealt to the joker who he hates, but he dosent have to live with/deal with any repuccosions at all. he wants to do the crime, but not the time.
his ideal scenario is a situation in which the harshest punishment is dealt to the joker who he hates, but he dosent have to live with/deal with any repuccosions at all. he wants to do the crime, but not the time.
true, but he didnt have to get the joker killed. its his dream, it could be what he wanted and he wanted the joker dead.
I read the comic, he is an egoist in the main story as well, does whatever HE feels necessary and dosent want to take on the consequences. he beats up the messengers of zeus, but dosent wanna fight him, he kills green arrow and expects others to forgive his "accident", he works with the yellow lantern core and kills ALL the green lantern core but he is ok with it.
my point is that, even in his ideal scenario, where he could imagine everything, he still wants joker dead and not take responsibility for the kill. i mean, its HIS dream, he could just imagine joker getting locked away and never escape, but nope, kill.
my point is that, even in his ideal scenario, where he could imagine everything, he still wants joker dead and not take responsibility for the kill. i mean, its HIS dream, he could just imagine joker getting locked away and never escape, but nope, kill.
#122 to #115
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akirafudo (01/07/2016) [-]
how does that work? you child is killed by a crazy known person, you can not go and dream that never happened and still picturing that ****** livin' la vida loca at the same time, because you know it's a menace, and it has to die in order to keep the dream going...
seriously, its common sense
seriously, its common sense
ummm dude, the point of the dream was that he DIDNT know.
he didnt remember all the stuff that happend IRL, thats why everything up until the point of lois dying was the same, he didnt know what was gonna happend.
the dream spell created an ideal scenario in which superman never experienced the loss of lois and his kid, by suppressing the memory and creating an alternate version.
i mean think about it, if he remembered that joker killed them IRL, why would he just back off for batman? why wouldnt he kill him in the dream too?
the reason is that in the dream, its as if it never happend, so he had no reason.
he didnt remember all the stuff that happend IRL, thats why everything up until the point of lois dying was the same, he didnt know what was gonna happend.
the dream spell created an ideal scenario in which superman never experienced the loss of lois and his kid, by suppressing the memory and creating an alternate version.
i mean think about it, if he remembered that joker killed them IRL, why would he just back off for batman? why wouldnt he kill him in the dream too?
the reason is that in the dream, its as if it never happend, so he had no reason.
#129 to #128
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akirafudo (01/07/2016) [-]
again, common sense, its a calculated scenario its bound to happen as long as he continued alive, granted he could die from a hearth attack, but someone will pick up where he left until someone makes an ulterior statement: DO NOT **** WITH THE GOD OF THIS EARTH
? i dont quite understand what you mean here...
my point is that supes is egotistical becourse in his ideal dream scenario, the joker gets killed just like he wanted, but he dosent have to take responsibility and can just do what he wants.
in the dream scenario, he could have killed the joker and the change could have been that batman stayed on his side, he didnt become a dictator and things didnt get so crazy, but nope, he'd rather let batman take the blame in his own ideal dream.
my point is that supes is egotistical becourse in his ideal dream scenario, the joker gets killed just like he wanted, but he dosent have to take responsibility and can just do what he wants.
in the dream scenario, he could have killed the joker and the change could have been that batman stayed on his side, he didnt become a dictator and things didnt get so crazy, but nope, he'd rather let batman take the blame in his own ideal dream.
#133 to #131
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akirafudo (01/07/2016) [-]
so choosing to dream that he will kill the joker for being a menace but without continuing with this mindset and be a dictator overruling the whole world, ok dude
killing overpowered villains is one thing, killing a mere crazy human is another, because there is an entire race boiling with crazy bastards that can be threats waithing to happen, so i dont think so
killing overpowered villains is one thing, killing a mere crazy human is another, because there is an entire race boiling with crazy bastards that can be threats waithing to happen, so i dont think so
but dude, it is HIS dream. HIS scenario. **** dont happen in that world unless he dreams it up. its not like darkseid would suddenly invade the earth in his dream, killing millions, its HIS dream.
he intentionally killed the joker off AND made sure that he didnt have to feel bad about it, in a make believe world of his creation.
he intentionally killed the joker off AND made sure that he didnt have to feel bad about it, in a make believe world of his creation.
#31 to #29
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anythingoes (01/06/2016) [-]
Sure.
But instead of giving himself in he instead started policing the world.
But instead of giving himself in he instead started policing the world.
You'll never enjoy Injustice to it's full extent nor will you understand it's depth until you start learning the Batman was just as much to blame.
Batman was never "as much to blame" as supes.
for every bad thing batman did, supes did 3.
batman did some messed up things, increasingly bad stuff, but only as long as supes continued, had superman stopped, batman would too.
supes is the cause and menace in that story, batman is simply trying to fight a flamethrower with a torch.
for every bad thing batman did, supes did 3.
batman did some messed up things, increasingly bad stuff, but only as long as supes continued, had superman stopped, batman would too.
supes is the cause and menace in that story, batman is simply trying to fight a flamethrower with a torch.
#42 to #32
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anon (01/06/2016) [-]
On the one hand, going off the rails for a little while was understandable.... I mean, **** . I'd probably dislike the character that was all "He made me kill my unborn child and the pregnant love of my life... but imma be a boy scout fur Merica'"
On the other hand, this comic goes on for years... and superman only becomes more... dare I say it? EEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLL!!!!!!!
On the other hand, this comic goes on for years... and superman only becomes more... dare I say it? EEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLL!!!!!!!
I blame Wonder Woman and then later Sinestro, hadn't they egged him on he might have been able to be convinced he was wrong.
Also, **** Damian. The page where Catwoman tells him Bruce is better off without him and he's a bitch was so satisfying.
Also, **** Damian. The page where Catwoman tells him Bruce is better off without him and he's a bitch was so satisfying.
That's kind of the point. Superman is an idealist who's never seriously dealt with skeletons in his closet and was raised by a loving family. If he's never been tempted, it'd be easy for him to justify becoming a (in his own mind) benevolent dictator.
Bruce witnessed 2 of the closest people to him, his own parents, killed in cold blood in front of him, and grew up bitter. He set limits on himself because he knows exactly how serious killing is, not because of ideals (though I admit to not always liking his no-killing policy and how it lets criminals escape and continue killing).
Bruce witnessed 2 of the closest people to him, his own parents, killed in cold blood in front of him, and grew up bitter. He set limits on himself because he knows exactly how serious killing is, not because of ideals (though I admit to not always liking his no-killing policy and how it lets criminals escape and continue killing).
Batman isn't against killing, he just doesn't believe that he, as a single person, has the right to take a life. If joker was put on trial and got the death sentence, batman wouldn't have a problem with it but Joker's lawyer got him declared criminally insane.