I'd actually like the Injustice Superman if he wasn't such an edgy cunt and that's coming from me
I end up rooting for villains like the Joker because to what the Joker represents is essentially exposing the fallacy behind "justice".
In a world of never ending strife and conflict heroism essentially has no meaning.
Heroes solve problems but they don't actually fix them.
Which is why those problems never end. An endless cycle. futile.
Couldn't you say the same thing the other way around? That villains are perpetuating problems, that criminals are perpetuating problems and that they cause the cycle that the heroes are trying to fix? If criminals disappeared, boom the cycle ends. From your perspective, if heroes go away, boom the cycle ends. The only difference between heroes and villains is that heroes want to end it on a positive note and villains just want to end it.
You don't know what endless is. Play dark souls for 700 hours. Justice is about bringing down the tyranny, putting down those who would lose their humanity itself, and sometimes the only time to save a life is to take one. In the real world, I believe our Emergency Workers and Military should be appreciated for what they do. It can have a nasty effect on you, some of what they see; yet the continue to face those horrors for the sake of humanity itself, so, referring to humanity myself I think it's something to protect.
I'd actually just love to see a comic where this is the premis. A hero gets locked in jail, and we all know they could break out but they're heros so they don't. But they're locked in with all the enemies they put behind bars and then we get to see the prison brawls, the guards having to punish the heros for beating people up, the villains plotting and getting contraband to kill the hero and using the time they're all locked up and stuff.
Basically prison but people with superpowers
Yes, but a whole series, maybe spend a book or two on each hero and have the villains go in and out and you can alter the lineup a lot but keep seeing how it all works with the prison rules. Because some of the heros won't break those rules, others would to do whats right and you'd see a whole new dynamic
Everybody knows that crime can't be stopped for good, but just by catching one murderer, many potential victims have been saved. It's all about reducing the amount of crime, not eliminating it.
Yeah, but with supermans level of power you totally could micromanage the **** out of the world. He can move faster than a bullet. There's no excuse for earth not being a utopia in a few years with that sort of insane levels of ability.
It's really more that they just wildly misuse their power. Beating up thugs and stopping bank robbers? You can sow a country sized field in a day and save millions from starvation, what the **** is up your priorities, superman?
You mean superman? And I mean sure, but no matter how many you kill there will always be more. It'll never end, just like war. Most villains are trying to accomplish something, with some big lofty goal like taking over the world, and most heroes are trying "to set the world right" but what the joker stand for?
He stands for nothing. He understands the world as naturally chaotic.
I believe the reason he does what he does is because in reality the whole world is "one big joke".
And so he laughs, and laughs, and laughs.
He doesn't play the game per say, he understands that it's all just a big game.
There's already a hero based around this idea, read the Punisher sometime. His whole thing is that he knows crime is a war that will never stop, but he also knows that he's able to save people for the time being. He sees the bigger picture but still believes in giving each individual their punishment.
That's the point: To continuously rise up to the occasion and to never give up. It is not futile, especially when you see kids having fun instead of being killed.
Actually I think the only one who is played relatively straight is Nightwing. But I think that's because he's hardly there due to his whole death thing. Not sure about him becoming the next Deadman though. That's preeety dumb. Which might be the point, since it's an alt universe basically just built for them to be a reasonable backstory to how heroes turned villain.
Then again, how did they even function as the JL in the first place if the majority of them ware just complete assholes? I dunno. It's a hit-or-miss-but-still-entertaining comic.
There are some cool moments, but i just end up shouting "thats ******* retarded" 80% of the time Like when superman ******* MURDERS martian manhunter and green arrow, no remorse there, but he is hesitating whether he should kill an evil god invading earth
they just seem to ******* disregard every hero death, i mean, Kyle Rayner just getting ripped apart in space? thats ******* retarded
The plastic man part is ******* awesome though
Yeah, I didn't forget that. Let's also remember the comic where Superman sent the titans to the ******* phantom zone. **** . that. **** . In fact, Raven even being there pisses me off.
Funny enough I don't think I'll get a solid conclusion because I don't like fighting games.
Worst part is that they just let Wonder Woman and Sinestro keep up with their ******* evil soothsaying ****
I mean, are they implying that half of the superheroes in dc are retarded puppets who just follow orders from superman?
Yeah, but they question him constantly and give him **** for doing stuff without telling them
With superman its just flash going "maybe that was a deuchy move" in his thoughts when they cripple a guy for protesting
I mean, Raven isnt even shown with any dialogue except for "theyre here!" and "ive been captured"
Yeah, so much stupid ****
Superman gets all fussed up over Batman making a contract with a GOOD devil called Etrigan, but not over Wonder Woman murdering Captain Atom
Kinda wondering why Trigon would give a **** about Constantines daughter though, i mean, even if she has some powers hes the ******* devil, hes got powers to spare
Wasn't Constatine trying to avoid paying his debt to Trigon and that was why he was trying to get rid of the guy. What was his debt over anyway, did he make some kind of trade to get his daughter protected?
No, Trigon owned a piece of Constantine's soul. I think Const. just figured it would be harder to provide for his daughter with him being satan's bitch, essentially. Trigon was after Raven the whole time.
For those thoombling the guy down
I do believe he means the quality of the GIF. It's true, too. It almost looks like people are increasing the sharpness and removing a frame every time they post it.
i appreciate you bby gurl, but if those idiots can't see what i'm talking about, let them enjoy their ****** gif. i don't give a **** about red thumbs.
but yeah, it's like people keep saving the image and uploading it instead of posting a url, or just ****** with it and uploading it.
Superman killing joker
"But Imma good guy. I'll just rule over the world to make sure everything goes as I want. Dictatorship? Sure. I'm the best suited for that."
Batman killing the joker
"I did what was necessary, but it was still wrong, I'll do my time."
**sherlockbatman used "*roll picture*"** **sherlockbatman rolled image**
especially because he 100% killed Ras Al Ghul in the first movie too
Joker tripped over the balcony and fell all on his own. in fact, he kinda jumped over the wall and threw himself down.
that would have been the perfect spot to callback to the first movie
"I'm not gonna kill you...
but I don't have to save you either!" he didn't feel bad about letting Harvey accidentally himself earlier in the same, damn movie
Man, no one questions how ******** that "but I don't have to save you!" scene was. **** off batman, you just killed that guy. This is on the level of doing anal so you "stay a virgin" you disingenuous faggot.
If batman's moral compass is so strong, I'm pretty sure it's facing the wrong direction. If you have the chance to save someone, not doing it is 100% killing them, even if indirectly. With that logic, he could have paid someone to kill him, etc. Silly directors/whoever interprets the script
He also blew up to brakes of the train. No matter where you are, I'm prettu sure he that counts at murder.
Also, killed:
-A bunch of assassins and the fake Ra's Al Ghul rather than kill a murderer (who probably died too).
-Harvey Dent/Two-Face by pushing him out of a building.
-Miranda Tate/Talia Al Ghul and the truck driver by remote controlling the batwing to shoot at the truck.
Pretty good for a guy who claims to have a no-kill code (This is why the movie version of Avengers don't have them. It maked things too complicated).
Yep, and in the comics they make a HUGE point about Batman's moral code when it comes to inaction. If he doesn't do anything to stop it when he has the power to, he considers that just as bad as murder, in Under the Red Hood he even saves Joker when Red Hood has him at gunpoint.
That's kind of the point. Superman is an idealist who's never seriously dealt with skeletons in his closet and was raised by a loving family. If he's never been tempted, it'd be easy for him to justify becoming a (in his own mind) benevolent dictator.
Bruce witnessed 2 of the closest people to him, his own parents, killed in cold blood in front of him, and grew up bitter. He set limits on himself because he knows exactly how serious killing is, not because of ideals (though I admit to not always liking his no-killing policy and how it lets criminals escape and continue killing).
Batman isn't against killing, he just doesn't believe that he, as a single person, has the right to take a life. If joker was put on trial and got the death sentence, batman wouldn't have a problem with it but Joker's lawyer got him declared criminally insane.
On the one hand, going off the rails for a little while was understandable.... I mean, **** . I'd probably dislike the character that was all "He made me kill my unborn child and the pregnant love of my life... but imma be a boy scout fur Merica'"
On the other hand, this comic goes on for years... and superman only becomes more... dare I say it? EEEEEVVVVIIIIILLLL!!!!!!!
Batman was never "as much to blame" as supes.
for every bad thing batman did, supes did 3.
batman did some messed up things, increasingly bad stuff, but only as long as supes continued, had superman stopped, batman would too.
supes is the cause and menace in that story, batman is simply trying to fight a flamethrower with a torch.
You do realize this is all a hallucination from the Superman that Killed the Joker in Injustice right? He was put under a spell where his life would be great in his dreams. This is that dream.
which completely shows that supes is a total egoist.
his ideal scenario is a situation in which the harshest punishment is dealt to the joker who he hates, but he dosent have to live with/deal with any repuccosions at all. he wants to do the crime, but not the time.
clark becomes a dictator, the world is on war, his child is dead, in this dream, that never happened, because batman killed the joker before it happens...
I read the comic, he is an egoist in the main story as well, does whatever HE feels necessary and dosent want to take on the consequences. he beats up the messengers of zeus, but dosent wanna fight him, he kills green arrow and expects others to forgive his "accident", he works with the yellow lantern core and kills ALL the green lantern core but he is ok with it.
my point is that, even in his ideal scenario, where he could imagine everything, he still wants joker dead and not take responsibility for the kill. i mean, its HIS dream, he could just imagine joker getting locked away and never escape, but nope, kill.
how does that work? you child is killed by a crazy known person, you can not go and dream that never happened and still picturing that ****** livin' la vida loca at the same time, because you know it's a menace, and it has to die in order to keep the dream going...
ummm dude, the point of the dream was that he DIDNT know.
he didnt remember all the stuff that happend IRL, thats why everything up until the point of lois dying was the same, he didnt know what was gonna happend.
the dream spell created an ideal scenario in which superman never experienced the loss of lois and his kid, by suppressing the memory and creating an alternate version.
i mean think about it, if he remembered that joker killed them IRL, why would he just back off for batman? why wouldnt he kill him in the dream too?
the reason is that in the dream, its as if it never happend, so he had no reason.
again, common sense, its a calculated scenario its bound to happen as long as he continued alive, granted he could die from a hearth attack, but someone will pick up where he left until someone makes an ulterior statement: DO NOT **** WITH THE GOD OF THIS EARTH
? i dont quite understand what you mean here...
my point is that supes is egotistical becourse in his ideal dream scenario, the joker gets killed just like he wanted, but he dosent have to take responsibility and can just do what he wants.
in the dream scenario, he could have killed the joker and the change could have been that batman stayed on his side, he didnt become a dictator and things didnt get so crazy, but nope, he'd rather let batman take the blame in his own ideal dream.
so choosing to dream that he will kill the joker for being a menace but without continuing with this mindset and be a dictator overruling the whole world, ok dude
killing overpowered villains is one thing, killing a mere crazy human is another, because there is an entire race boiling with crazy bastards that can be threats waithing to happen, so i dont think so
but dude, it is HIS dream. HIS scenario. **** dont happen in that world unless he dreams it up. its not like darkseid would suddenly invade the earth in his dream, killing millions, its HIS dream.
he intentionally killed the joker off AND made sure that he didnt have to feel bad about it, in a make believe world of his creation.
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The way that comics have explained different writers writing the characters differently is that it's simply "another dimension." So we know that there are unlimited dimensions they could pull characters from or stories. The way you gotta picture it is "this is the single dimension that all of this stuff happened to go exactly like this, in another dimension they could just go back in time to fix this so it wouldn't be a problem but in this one they are not able to do that and this is the story that I'm reading."
well to be a bit more specific she ****** aquaman killed his wife and then tried to take over the world and while doing so killed some kids and also aquaman
okay then to be a bit more specific she killed a man who a bunch of disabled kids morphed into also I think she threw a rock at batman I'm not sure the climax to that movie is a bit fuzzy
time travel without using magic is usually dangerous. flash nearly destroyed the world with it.
and as it goes for mages that can time travel...they change between not realiable to ask for help (mister.e) or just plain out not interested to help (most gods)
not to mention several high ranking characters like the new gods,guardians and whatever booster gold was working for detest the use of time travel to solve small things like this (in a certain perspective..)
its confined to one planet. it doesnt have any chance of destroying the timeline, it isnt threatherning the local galaxies or the multiverse in general.
its pretty small key compared to most of the stuff..i mean for instance of the groups i have listed:
new gods are in a middle of a constant battle fougth through their avatars (aka the guys that superman and such fight, the actual darkseid and the new gods are much, MUCH stronger than what any of the earthlings can fight againts..barring few special mentions like specter)
the guys booster works for guard the entire timeline, and again; this doesnt affect the timeline in general so its a miniscule thing for them
guardians of the universe are the closest thing, but they already lost a huge war againts the earthlings, AND the rest of the guardians consider earth to still be an insignificant speck in the grand scheme of things (tho the greatest of the green lanterns have always come from earth...)
even thou its hard to believe considering the rep that people like superman have outside of comic books; just about everything (barring few special mentions like dr.fate and specter for instance) that happens on earth is pretty insignificant to the real powerhouses of dc verse.
i did mention that. and in the end they destroyed the punitive force sent to subdue superman and his allies. the lanterns still have reserves. but not enough to risk another war againts yellow lantern corps or the justice league.
but yeah...from the groups i have listed. the green lanterns are pretty much low key settings..the guardians themselves are pretty important. but not too important.. i mean they werent even invited to the meeting where the laws of reality were decided....
As you mentioned, **** happened with dr.fate and specter. Dr.fate at least should have broken some rules with the black canary stuff. What about trigon(or w/e is his name, the red large demon)?
trigon is a bigger deal. but that was mostly just john's messing him in. and it ended before it even began.
fate is mostly in trouble with the other lords of order and chaos for distrubting the balance, but there shouldnt be any real reason for why the lords would interfere with the war outside of duking it out with fate. specter, he is a complicated character. while its true he is among the top 3 strongest characters in dc continuity (barring ofcourse the creator himself..and elaine..) his strength also hinges greatly on what the said creator allows him to be. and considering he was weak enough to not find fate and the crew, AND to actually be overpowered by mxy. he was clearly not in the voice's favor..so again no need for anybody important to get involved. specially now than specter is gone.
ofcourse the greek gods were selled a little short here. but thats just about it..rest i can come up with some reasonable excuse for why nobody is interfering with the war.
Btw the New Gods aren't avatars, that is actually them. When they use the Boom Tubes to travel it just changes there bodies to attune to that Universe. It can be seen in JL: Darkseid War when DS is killed and some older comics.
nah. they are avatars. the actual new gods are a lot more powerful than what we see. and they hang around outside the multiverse and only interact with the universes with their avatars.
for instance, darkseid in his true form was so powerful that even when he was dying he was destroying the entire multiverse around him.
You're not wrong. That was just in the preboot though. Now he has a different origin story, the only person that is like that is Brainiac. Darkseid does exist outside of their universe but they have travelled to it, like when Batman tricked Darkseid into reviving Damian.
except darkseid has showcased to be above preboots. he has repeatedly showcased that he has knowledge about events that took place in the previous multiverse.
If someone let their child read a comic where a man's neck is snapped on a website with little to no censoring... I'm pretty sure that it's a case of bad parenting, not his fault for posting it.
That could happen. Perhaps the magic used on Superman didn't actually put him to sleep, instead it allowed him to live out an alternate reality that had already taken place?
There's such a vast difference in facial expression between the "Bruce?" panel and the next one where he's upset about Batman being just another "Bruce" in a bat-suit, that it's like two different characters reacting differently to the same comment. I don't get it.
Hmm, to me the first panel looks like he just recieved the biggest "all according to plan" boner ever. I'd expect him to want to get at Bruce now when he's not in the batsuit or something based on that expression, not instantly lament that Batman's magical secret identity just got spoiled for him, ruining the fun.
the joker is obsessed with batman, and rarely actually wants to kill him. he sees it all as a game and the batman as a very substantial figure to him due to how long they've fought. knowing his actual identity removes and ruins the mystery since wayne bruce is known as a common millionaire douchebag in gotham to most people. of course this is just my thoughts, i've read a lot of the comics though
Honestly, I think the "Bruce?" panel face is like "oh my what juicy information I have just received..."
And then the next one, I think, is where he's trying to act not-surprised about "Bruce" being leaked, so he acts facetious about Bruce's name ruining the Joker's "game", so the others don't suspect "oh **** the Joker knows Batman's name, we have to do something drastic now".
I agree with the way you described the first panel, it was just hard to put into words what feeling it gave off.
That's a good idea though, that maybe he was just underplaying how much he valued the information he was just given, I can get on board with that.
I'm pretty sure that murdering a criminal wanted for murdering countless of people will not get you arrested. Rather, the government will pay you handsomely
only if they have a bounty on them and usually that involve just information that leads to their arrest. Then again the system is ****** anyhow so whatever