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The Dictator

Pt I
Why are you guys so anti dictators?
Imagine if America was a dictatorship.
You could have 1% of the people have
all the nation' s wealth
You could help your rich friends get richer by cutting their
taxes, and bailing them out when they gamble and lose.
You could ignore the needs of the poor for health care
and education.
Your media would appear free, but would secretly be
controlled by one person and his family
You could phones. You could torture foreign
prisoners. You could have rigged elections. ‘foo could
lie about why you go to war.
You could fill your prisons with one particular
racial group, and no one would complain.
You could use the media to scare the people into
supporting policies that are against their interests.
I know this is hard for you Americans to
imagine, but please try.
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#2 - evilkingganon (01/01/2016) [-]
**evilkingganon used "*roll picture*"**
**evilkingganon rolled image** imagine putting this on Facebook and seeing how many butt hurt people bitch
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User avatar #134 to #2 - xiontheshadows (01/02/2016) [-]
That was a good roll.
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#5 to #2 - anon (01/01/2016) [-]
you clearly havent been on funnyjunk enough, that happens tenfold here
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#267 to #5 - lokilive ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
**lokilive used "*roll picture*"**
**lokilive rolled image** Sometimes the random isnt that random!
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User avatar #13 - futapirate (01/02/2016) [-]
you guys whine about this kinda stuff (failures of capitalism) yet claim to hate socialism and European economic systems, claiming America's is flawless
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#61 to #13 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
Don't lie, we both know what socialism and open borders lead to. Most western European countries probably could be better described as dictatorships being paid off by "unions" and pac's.
Also call me when you become a superpower.
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User avatar #73 to #61 - cognosceteipsum (01/02/2016) [-]
Shut the **** up and go study.
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User avatar #146 to #73 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
It will bankrupt him because you know, free education is the work of nazi hitler himself.
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#72 to #61 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
We should get rid of social services. Just pay the firemen upfront instead of with taxes to put out ur burning home. Or pay the cop to shoot that guy whos opening up your safty box in the bank robbery your in.

Oh oh! Lets get red of social securety too!!
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#145 to #61 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
Oh do i smell jealousy? I know sweden is such a hard country to live in. I mean, I have to see immigrants everyday and i am also forced to pay off like 33% of my salary to outright disgusting stuff like healthcare and education. Just imagine this, in sweden, even the most poor scum can educate themselves to not be poor scum, horrible right? And let me tell you another thing, if i break my leg i wont be in debt for the rest of my life because i live in such a barbaric communist ******** that offers free healthcare.

I'm shaking by writing this comment boy, and if i dont like this government i could always vote for any other of the eight parties, we'ere basically a dictatorship over here! I'm sure that your oh so educated anonoumus friends at /pol/ already have red pilled you on why countries like sweden is worse than north kore and somalia, because you know, seeing a few black people on the streets is truly horriffic!

I am sure that american politicians care just fine about your citizens, man oh man i remember George Bush showing up even before the Katrina accident and practically defended new orleans from the hurricane by kicking its commie ass back to the middle east.

And snus, something american politics forbid to sale in america because as you know, your tobacco companies are so friendly that they pay your politicians to make certain decisions! I might just kill myself for living under such a horriffic regime as sweden!
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User avatar #209 to #145 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
Individualism is scary. But fortunately you have a gubmint that's there so you don't have to think too hard.
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#212 to #209 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
And you didnt think at all like the grage-A mongolic retard you are.
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User avatar #216 to #212 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
Dude, that was pretty weak. I was honestly expecting something a little better than that.
But don't worry, I understand. You get so used to having your decisions made for you that thinking just doesn't come as easily.

Chin up buttercup.
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#217 to #216 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
It always nice to see idiots like yourself who has no godamn clue about what you are talking about thiking that your opinions actually are worth anything.
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#218 to #217 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
Oh man, these are starting to be awfully repetitive.

>retard
>idiot

How much of your taxes go to letting the government be creative for you?
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User avatar #222 to #218 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
I bet that you dumbasses feel just awsome paying 40% of your paycheck to the medical jew.
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User avatar #224 to #222 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
Nah man, I work and take care of myself.

(Work is the thing we do to make money, and the thing you do to give free stuff to "Syrian" refugees)

Btw, I don't feel awesome about the government being this involved in my healthcare to the point where it's now illegal for me to choose not to have insurance. If I could just purchase what I wanted I'd be stoked.
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User avatar #226 to #224 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
You sir, are a ******* retard who cannot just stop making an absolute ass of yourself by posting this retarded ******** aka your opinions.
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#227 to #226 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
You know what else is awesome? Owning a firearm because the state recognizes that it is in fact not my parent. I don't have to eat my vegetables or have a nap time either.

(Please keep your generic insults coming, I'm having too much fun coming up with stuff.)
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User avatar #242 to #227 - Shiny ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
>Please keep your generic insults coming
>le hat tips
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#247 to #242 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
I'm being entirely sincere with that. I'm enjoying myself.
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#229 to #227 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
Wow you must be soo cool by having a gun. i litterally dont remember asking you that and i find your insecurities uninteresting tbh. And i already have a gun and its my fat cock up your little sister tight underage butthole.
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User avatar #235 to #229 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
Not at all bud! It's just a fun recreation, an important defensive tool, and an important part of being a citizen here.

> insecurities
> i already have a gun and its my fat cock
>statutory rape

I sense just the teeniest bit of projection. Does your "free" healthcare not cover enlargements?

(Also be careful, your government might not approve of your triggering language)
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#240 to #235 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
You must live in an uncivilized ******** if you need a gun to ''defend'' yourself with, didnt you ever think of like, if the criminal has an even bigger gun than you? I mean, it cant be possible that a burglar just happens to sneak inside your house ith his legally owned gun and shoot you in your sleep with his legally owned surpressor? Your ****** logic doesnt make sense to a normal non amerifat human being like myself.

But i doubt an american like yourself with such poor understanding about the world outside your state will understand something far superior than your ****** system you have over in the states. I guess thats the price thats comming with the freedom of not having actual free education. But thank god you can buy a gun to protect yourself in such an unsivilized ******** like america really is.
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User avatar #249 to #240 - durkadurka (01/03/2016) [-]
>having actual free education.
No one does. You don't. Everything has a cost even if you don't think you're paying it.
(Good thing the government takes care of it for you though, big numbers are just so hard to deal with).

>unsivilized ******** like america really is.
It's such an uncivilized ******** that there's almost 300 million guns and next to none of them illegally harm anyone. That's just the epitome of uncivilized.
What's civilized is when the people can't be trusted to own weapons. You know, pinnacles of civilization like Mexico or Brazil.

A word about suppressors:
They don't work like in the movies. Also there's a process you must go through with the ATF and there's a tax stamp as well.
They also run in the 1000's; You probably don't need to rob anyone if you can afford one of these.

I'd actually be curious to see how many homicides were committed with suppressed weapons. My guess is that it's almost none.

I'm also not sure why you think a burglar would go right to 1st or 2nd degree murder just to steal some stuff. People don't work that way.
A criminal doesn't want to get into a gun fight just to take some stuff. They want an easy score, not one that could end with them being dead.

I think it's kinda cute how first you were whining about me trying to talk about something I supposedly don't know about, yet you feel perfectly comfortable pretending you know about things I know you don't know about.

Again I don't expect you to get it; It's just not a part of your culture or value system. Personally I don't get why you wouldn't want to have the means to defend yourself, but then again people decide they don't want to wear seat belts or motorcycle helmets.

Tell the Syrian refugees sharing your house that I said hello.
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User avatar #248 to #240 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
I need it in the same way I need a fire extinguisher.

>didnt you ever think of like, if the criminal has an even bigger gun than you? I mean, it cant be possible that a burglar just happens to sneak inside your house ith his legally owned gun and shoot you in your sleep with his legally owned surpressor? Y

Sorry man, you just don't understand guns. I wouldn't expect you to, but don't pretend to have a relevant opinion. Good thing your government protects you from owning a weapon and maybe hurting yourself! The world is scary and we wouldn't want you to get hurt experiencing it.
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#114 to #61 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
Looks like the red thumb bandwagon hit you.
He's right with the paid off part. The EU and Merkel especially are influenced by the industry and lobbyists a lot. They get paid off to pass laws.
With all the refugees coming in, they're passing laws while nobody is looking. They kicked net-neutrality in the nuts in Europe, Merkel got paid off by the Telecom to make it happen.
But nobody is caring in Europe because people rather demonstrate against right wing parties than actual problems.
Now I don't blame the refugees or people from other countries but the whole liberal thing definitely made people more ignorant than they should be.
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User avatar #192 to #114 - trollmobile (01/02/2016) [-]
as opposed to america?
it's standard for all large american companies to have a "lobbying budget"
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#80 to #13 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
America isn't great thanks to the liberals implementing socialism.
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User avatar #127 to #80 - thatonecommunist (01/02/2016) [-]
i'm impressed the liberals got some democratic means of production in- oh wait they didn't.
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#188 to #13 - freedombirdman (01/02/2016) [-]
Except America is not capitalist, we have in many ways become a socialist nation (or more accurately a corporate cronyist nation), what saves us is our free-market leanings and our tradition of liberty and independence. And no, capitalism has never been about letting rich people buy out the government and use it towards their own ends. The core concept of capitalism is that every individual should be free to pursue wealth as they see fit and keep the fruits of their labor. More critically, if you want something from society, you have to give something back in return. In this way, scarce resources will be most efficiently distributed, since each trade transaction means that both parties are better off than when they started (given proper access to information).

It is the responsibility of the government to protect people's natural rights and enforce contracts. Capitalism breaks down when the government begins picking winners and losers through bailouts, subsidies, over regulation, etc... (exactly what is happening now).

Government does indeed have a rightful place in interfering with the economy on certain matters (such as taxation for national defense and public infrastructure). The issue arises when government thinks it can micromanage people's lives better than they can. Liberty and Justice, and by extension Capitalism, cannot survive without adherence to a tradition of natural rights and respect for others.
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User avatar #241 to #188 - Shiny ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
"The core concept of capitalism is that every individual should be free to pursue wealth as they see fit and keep the fruits of their labor. More critically, if you want something from society, you have to give something back in return."

That's been the principle of every post-feudal economic ideology, not just capitalism, which is defined by capital and growth through surplus value.
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User avatar #206 to #13 - durkadurka (01/02/2016) [-]
Myself and other economically minded people would argue that the failings have not been capitalistic in nature. Rather they have been a result of government intervention. This is to not say that all government involvement is an issue, but rather that the troubles we face are not a result of a free market.
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User avatar #243 to #206 - Shiny ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
State capitalism is still capitalism, which is not defined by free markets. One could argue that capitalism would work with laissez-faire, but this could also be considered a regressive argument: no matter how much "freedom" we have, if the economy tanks, we simply didn't have enough.
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User avatar #250 to #243 - durkadurka (01/03/2016) [-]
With the private control of the means of production, market forces are needed to signal where production and capital should be allocated.

Excessive government intervention ends up blunting or altogether removing such signals (see the health insurance market).

you make a good point about the regressive argument, though usually the argument is made in the opposite direction: Government involvement didn't go far enough and more will make everything better. This is the argument that will be made about health insurance within the next 10 years.
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User avatar #253 to #250 - Shiny ONLINE (01/03/2016) [-]
Both private and public control can go right and wrong. It's largely a problem of engineering, not ideology. Private healthcare services actually continue to thrive in nations with universal care.
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User avatar #140 to #13 - angelisk (01/02/2016) [-]
It's all ****** up, but the best thing we should do is not argue about it, but brainstorm about making it better.
Then again, this IS the internet.
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#148 to #13 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
So broad a stroke, you managed to move a goalpost or two.
America is unfair because every time the government perceives a need, the lobby turns the beautiful maiden of Capitalism to a French Vaudeville whore, not because we aren't ignoring market logic and pretending everyone deserves a certain level of comfort no matter how much they provide others.
Social Democrats are worse than communists because at least communists tend to love guns and hate degenerate nonsense.
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User avatar #121 to #13 - elsanna (01/02/2016) [-]
Capitalism is the worst, except for all the others.
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#252 to #121 - anon (01/03/2016) [-]
Capitalism is the worst*
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User avatar #18 to #13 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
I hate both the European Socialist system, and the United States Socialist system. Which I can do quite happily from Australia
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User avatar #19 to #18 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Hows that liberal party treating you?
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User avatar #20 to #19 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
slightly better than the Labour party, which is better than the Obama administration which created ISIS, and the EU administration which created a refugee crises.
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#39 to #20 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
ah yes because the EU administration created the refugees
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User avatar #40 to #39 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
they created the crises by not sending them back, overlaoding the capcity of European Countries to deal with the large amount of people. Most of whom where military age men.
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#105 to #40 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
(Different anon)
They also toppled the Libyan government which created a refugee crisis in North Africa (and a whole lot of other **** like the tuareg rebelion in mali). Then they didn't get involved in Syria, claiming Syria has better air defenses, making it harder to set up a no-fly zone, and then a year later we're doing bombing campaigns over syria.
Moral is Europe, like America, has no idea what it is doing in the middle east/africa
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User avatar #43 to #40 - thesecretbear (01/02/2016) [-]
Alright let me just start by saying that i'm with you up to this point, but the refugees were going to go somewhere. Either you **** over the few countries that will let them in, or you share the load. Unfortunate, but that's global politics.
I will agree that the whole situation has been massively mismanaged, and is an utter *********** though. Not that I expected much.
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User avatar #44 to #43 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
or you send them back, which is generally Australia's policy
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User avatar #45 to #44 - thesecretbear (01/02/2016) [-]
Major ocean ports are much easier to lock down than land passage, or smaller oceans like the med. Being an island nation must have it's perks.
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User avatar #47 to #45 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
It's just because Australia is the worlds largest Island Nation in terms of land mass
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User avatar #46 to #45 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
it's actually harder to intercept the boats and people. Australia has a massive amount of coast to patrol.
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User avatar #50 to #46 - thesecretbear (01/02/2016) [-]
Still, it's much easier to organize a response as a singular island nation, than a loose group of continental nations.
It's why you saw so much chaos going on. Balkan nations didn't want them coming through, while the nations beyond welcomed them. Thus you had some violent scenarios in between. They knew that on the other end was a nation welcoming them in. That is motivation enough to resist any attempts. Where as with Australia, they are told to not come, it's a long ways away, and impossible to get to by land. The US could have done a similar thing, in fact the reason we can accept specific amounts of the refugees is because they can't simply walk here.
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User avatar #52 to #50 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
They still try, and if they make it to land they get some rights. Because of the UN. I'm might sick of the UN dictating Australian Policy. Which is in part fault of the US too considering it's massive influence on UN participants.
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User avatar #117 to #20 - magicmatchsticks (01/02/2016) [-]
>obama administration
>created ISIS
lol, unless he was secretly running things since 2003, that's just not right. ISIS was created directly by the policies of the bush administration and the actions of the U.S. military. I don't exactly love Obama, but it makes you look retarded when you blame him for **** that he could not possibly have done.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2825330/The-prison-ISIS-born-Iraqi-high-security-lock-nine-leading-members-terror-group-introduced-spread-evil-Middle-East.html
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#191 to #117 - peterdivine (01/02/2016) [-]
You can blame Bush for getting us in there, sure, but don't forget to blame Obama for pulling us out prematurely. Exact same **** happened in Vietnam. We gave one side our support, then left before we could get the region to be stable and self-sufficient.

Tell me if this seems familiar at all:
The Truth about the Vietnam War
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User avatar #251 to #117 - Rei (01/03/2016) [-]
He funded and armed ISIS and other terrorists groups in syria as part of the US's plan to destabilize the assad government.
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User avatar #21 to #20 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
From what i've heard the liberal party is ******* awful beyond words
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User avatar #22 to #21 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
Well you see the Liberal party cut funding to the ABC and other media outlets. Instead of sucking the CEO's dicks. Hence the bad publicity. Also the Liberal Party doesn't sell itself out to the Green Party.
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User avatar #23 to #21 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
cause whoreing itself out to the Green Party is labours job
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User avatar #24 to #23 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Yeah but they also suck the dick of mining companies right?
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User avatar #27 to #24 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
people are basically hating on Liberal party because they have the scrotum to cut budget to get back on surplus, somethign no other developed nation seems to be doing, let alone the United States
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User avatar #26 to #24 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
You know why right? That's the primary source of income into Australia. Even though China cut down on iron imports from us, we are still back on track for a Surplus budget after the massive debt incurred during the Labour period of Government.
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#69 to #28 - captaindeath (01/02/2016) [-]
This guy is a cock head as Rei said we suffered hard when spot iron ore dropped. Even though now it is slowing down and the economy is starting to go through a change in what the economy focuses on (exporting services) mining still takes a huge role in our economy and will do for quite sometime i should imagine.

If you go and piss of the mining companies then they might move to other countries that are going through mining stages in which case the level of income for the government and in general the Australian populace would be heavily impacted which is just retarded.

Along with this Labour are a bunch of cockheads who all they do is just through a bunch of money without thinking how they are going to pay for it and when liberal comes in and says we can't sustain this time to cut back, all the mongs come out and think only short term how they are not getting the same level of benefits.
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User avatar #70 to #69 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
He's saying it's not as huge as people make it out to be and especially not enough to let them pay virtually no taxes and let all the money not even go back into australia aside through jobs which doesn't employ that many anyway comparatively
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User avatar #29 to #28 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
Ah this leftist again.

It's ******** what he says. The biggest export Australia has is the resource one. No matter what he says, the drop in demand of minerals and coal from Australia did massively devalue the Australian dollar, and Australia is the world's third largest supplier of Iron, second largest supplier in Nickel, largest supplier of Bauxite/aluminium, second largest supplier of Gold, worlds largest supplier of opals, worlds largest supplier of coal, worlds second largest supplier of zinc, est, est.

These leftist idiots posts all these videos making claims but the fact is Australis economic growth since the end of World War 2 has been the Mining Industry as a whole. Just because some dickhead environmentalist dickhead made a video on youtube doesn't mean he's right.

Anyway Australia only produces less than 2% of Global Emissions.
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User avatar #36 to #29 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Also the liberal part literally broke a record for the most lies told in a time frame.

independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/abbotts-new-world-record-25-broken-promises-in-150-days,6145
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User avatar #30 to #29 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
www.tai.org.au/node/252

Point is that not all of that money goes back into australia. Just look at Chevron recently and how much tax they dodged in Australia
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User avatar #33 to #30 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
I can't get that link cause of a login.

Anyway Liberal also didn't do the stupid thing of acknowledging and overturning the Terra Nullius decision, and basically giving president to Aboriginal peoples to bitch and mooch of welfare whilst sniffing petrol.
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User avatar #35 to #33 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Just how important is the mining sector to Australia? Sure, we all know that Australia is in the midst of a mining boom but does it deserve to be considered the darling of the economy?

New figures from the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) show that in the year to February 2011 305,700 jobs were created yet only 27,300 of those were in the mining industry. This is in contrast to health and social assistance which added 91,500 extra workers. Retail employed an extra 49,300 people and transport and postal services added 34,000. As of last month mining employed 1.8 per cent of the workforce, or just 205,100 workers.

Other recent data from the ABS reveals that despite China’s insatiable thirst for our resources Australia still has a current account deficit of $34.7 billion. Why? Because lots of the export income is earned by foreign-owned companies who then repatriate it back to their foreign owners.

BHP Billiton’s latest annual report shows 40 per cent of its shares were listed on the London stock exchange. Add in some foreign investors who own stock listed in Australia and the level of foreign investment in BHP Billiton is now likely to be well over 50 per cent. For the other big mining companies the position is worse; Rio is at least 70 per cent foreign owned while Xtrada shares aren’t even listed in Australia. A decade ago the ABS estimated the level of foreign ownership in Australian mining to be around 45 per cent, but that was well before the takeovers and mergers that have characterised the mining industry in recent years.

And what of the booms impact on other areas of the economy? Past experience has shown that a higher Australian dollar reduced the competitiveness of other industries and exposed home-owners to higher interest rates. Indeed, last month the Sydney Morning Herald reported that five of Australia’s top business leaders ‘said the impacts of the boom, including a higher cost of living, a shortage of staff and other industries withering, are the greatest challenges facing Australia.’
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User avatar #32 to #30 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
Even then any issue here is vastly less impacting than the corruped ******** that is the EU and the US. The fact is Australia is back on track for Surplus and Australia does remain one of the world's leading suppliers of Minerals.

Don't mistake me for a liberal fan. I always place them third last on the ballot. Before the Green Party and Labour. But looking at it the issue. The environmentalists left wing folks are undervaluing the value of mining to Australia because of a Bias against industrialisation. Particularly from the states of Victoria, and Tasmania. Who do not host these industries. Because it's primarily Western Australia which does bring in the money from overseas. You shut down the mining capcity of Australia you effective shut down the Western States.
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User avatar #34 to #32 - turtletroll ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Problem is again they don't pay taxes and don't actually employ anywhere near as many people as they say they do aswell as a huge amount of the money they earn going overseas anyway.

The money isn't going to Australia that's the issue. Especially with the mining tax and carbon tax being cut. But you also have to understand that the environment is a real issue and can't just wave it off.
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User avatar #38 to #34 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
you don't understand that Australia has virtually no manufacturing industry, and after mining operations are finished the environment is restored to the condition it was. As far as the environment goes, it should not be a focus of politics in Australia. Because at the level Australia is now, is very low. The only people who think otherwise are not the folk who actually live in it. But the people who live in the polluted cities who set policy. It really is nonsense. Absolute nonsense. People are too focused on the Environmental issue 1/2 the time they don't face the bigger problems we have.

The issue isn't the mining industry or at least caused by it. It's caused by the governments allowing Australian business to be sold out. It's not just the Mining Industry. You've failed to realize that most of the hospitality industry in concerns with the largest most profitable motel and resort changes are foreign owned.

Anyway you say the retail industry employs some 49,000 people but all these industries you mention people are working 2 or 3 jobs because they are all Minimum wage jobs. Mining industry hires 1.8% of the workforce but they aren't like me who works for the absolute minimum.
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User avatar #268 to #29 - opals (01/09/2016) [-]
oi, **** off cunt
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#165 to #18 - ordanj (01/02/2016) [-]
Your profile picture........
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User avatar #75 to #18 - admiralen ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
>implying the "lets suck of the aborigines" policies are any more legit
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User avatar #107 to #75 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
Liberal cut 300 aboriginal departs as soon as it got in
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#49 to #18 - sesshii (01/02/2016) [-]
Anon is right though, US is not socialist, although it has a pretty big welfare system, at the end of the day, it's a mixed system. And a horrible one at that.
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User avatar #51 to #49 - Rei (01/02/2016) [-]
the US is much more socialist in terms of the social attitudes right now. Stripping free speech from collages, social action like the Black Lives Matter, the fact that militant feminism has gained any credibility at all.
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#110 to #51 - sarcasticone (01/02/2016) [-]
**sarcasticone used "*roll picture*"**
**sarcasticone rolled image**Tits, very nice
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#37 to #18 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
the us is not socialist.
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User avatar #14 to #13 - novus (01/02/2016) [-]
This may come as a surprise, but people who say contradictory things on here aren't all the same person...
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User avatar #15 to #14 - futapirate (01/02/2016) [-]
I understand what you're saying, but FJ is a relatively small and homogeneous community. To me, directly conflicting opinions continuously reaching the front page indicates that there's some very confused and gullible people here who might agree with whatever they read in meme format
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User avatar #16 to #15 - novus (01/02/2016) [-]
Memeism would be the best economy
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#25 to #13 - lipidregent (01/02/2016) [-]
a common failure in both capitalism and socialism is human leadership
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#48 to #25 - sesshii (01/02/2016) [-]
Capitalism doesn't have human leadership. It's the absence of leadership (government).
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#53 to #48 - efeye (01/02/2016) [-]
So, basically anarchy? Because that tends to work out well...
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#54 to #53 - sesshii (01/02/2016) [-]
In a capitalist society, the government's job is only to enforce the law and the country's safety with it's only 3 organs.
Police, courts and military.
Property rights and the right of association is the pillar that makes capitalism work, and the government should never intervene unless a persons right to express freedom has been infringed.
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#57 to #54 - chemicaltamer (01/02/2016) [-]
That sounds like some kind of Libertarianism. Capitalism isn't a form of government or politics.
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#58 to #57 - sesshii (01/02/2016) [-]
Yes i know, i worded it a bit bad. chugging down the rest of the mead i didn't drink into newyear, so im somewhere between tipsy and drunk.
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#59 to #58 - chemicaltamer (01/02/2016) [-]
'Kay. The distinction is important.
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User avatar #74 to #54 - cognosceteipsum (01/02/2016) [-]
So minarchism.
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#76 to #74 - sesshii (01/02/2016) [-]
Yes, pretty much.
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User avatar #77 to #76 - cognosceteipsum (01/02/2016) [-]
My ideal society is one with maximal freedom, there's but one thing that the government can actually force it's people to do: it's got to do with mental health. Some peoples judgement is severely impaired to the point of which they NEED someone else to get them to do things. That's it. You can refuse somatic medication all you want, because most likely you are in your right mind there.

So I basically want the gov to run military, police, to fund hospital both mental and somatic, and to distribute alcohol and drugs to people in certain stores. Otherwise, there will be few laws in my society. Not even sure if this can be counted as minarchistic. I just feel that we need less laws. More responsibility. School I'm kinda divided on.
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User avatar #63 to #25 - syntheticdoll (01/02/2016) [-]
Socialism is a good concept, the only reason it will never work is the people in it.
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#79 to #63 - theruinedsage ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Works fine from where I'm sitting.
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#41 to #25 - pjers ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
This is true of all human led cultures, I want the Culture.
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#1 - funnyhard (01/01/2016) [-]
**funnyhard used "*roll picture*"**
**funnyhard rolled image** rekt so deep
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#3 to #1 - anon (01/01/2016) [-]
And here we have an average ameritard, attempting to comment in his confusion.
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User avatar #4 to #3 - funnyhard (01/01/2016) [-]
You wish, anon!
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User avatar #6 to #1 - ninesundev (01/02/2016) [-]
Sure, not rekt so deep.
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User avatar #42 to #1 - chadpbj (01/02/2016) [-]
Thumbing you for Idiocracy.
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User avatar #65 - kanadetenshi (01/02/2016) [-]
Except most dictatorships had government run healthcare and education for the poor as well as high taxation (not saying that that automatically means government run healthcare equals dictatorship but that part had literally nothing to do with dictatorships).

In fact most dictatorships especially in the 20th century where marxist and thus lacked enterprises and focused more on government control of the means of production rather than corporate control, this even follows in modern times with North Korea.
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User avatar #124 to #65 - catburglarpenis (01/02/2016) [-]
Yup. You don't even pay bills in Cuba. The government gives you ******************* . Sure, you aren't gonna get rich anytime soon, but you'll live. If you want to get rich go to school. It's free.
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User avatar #128 to #124 - kanadetenshi (01/02/2016) [-]
Yeah but i prefer to live in a country with human rights.
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User avatar #131 to #128 - catburglarpenis (01/02/2016) [-]
Yeah I keep forgetting all the human rights that aren't present in Cuba. What, you can't vote for a dictator that won't give you a free house? I shiver at the thought.
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User avatar #132 to #131 - kanadetenshi (01/02/2016) [-]
I prefer not to be lynched and tortured for daring to be opposed to a dictator because he's collapsing the economy with his communist magic.

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/cuba-dangers-of-a-collapse-105081

"B-But muh free school" yeah because the top scientists in the world come from the prestigious ivy league universities in Cuba.
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#133 to #132 - catburglarpenis (01/02/2016) [-]
Holy **** , did you even read that article you linked? It argues directly against your point, showing that Cuba is at an all time 25 year high point.

And yes, Cuba's primary export is Doctorate-level expertise, which you would know if you actually read your own sources instead of making assumptions: www.forbes.com/sites/billfrist/2015/06/08/cubas-most-valuable-export-its-healthcare-expertise/
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User avatar #147 to #133 - cumberdale (01/02/2016) [-]
*********** is easier I guess.
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User avatar #203 to #131 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
Go move to Cuba then fam. Enjoy not being able to ******** your Marxist ******** to the internet without buying an internet card.
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#225 to #203 - catburglarpenis (01/02/2016) [-]
Aww **** an Internet card? Is that like having to pay for Charter like I do every month? Because there are several users on this site that are currently residing in Cuba.

Nah, I figure I'll just go back to my job where I defend a bunch of if/than/either/or dichotomic people like yourself. Because of course I can't espouse the benefits of one of a country's singular assets without being told "hurr durr why don't you move there then" which is the newest version of "if you like it so much, why don't you marry it?" And I also can't post a real source without getting accused of **** posting apparently.

Not only have I had friends stationed there down in Gitmo but I've also had friends that travelled there for medical treatment and then proceeded to begin vacationing there after seeing Michael Moore's film "Sicko". It's just too cheap and convenient not to.
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User avatar #228 to #225 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
Because you're arguing some **** that's so ******* inconsequntial for all the people that have to actually live there.

It's like if you had to live ******* North Korea and someones like," yeah dude but pot is totally legal and endorsed by the government"

You defend the country with a regime that is so ******* terrible Cuban make ******* tire rafts and float for miles just hoping to end up in the Keys.
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#256 to #228 - catburglarpenis (01/03/2016) [-]
Again, we point to the link provided by our friend down below. Cuban satisfaction is at an all time high and again, there are several users on this very site. You can actually ask them how they're doing. Like, with your keyboard. And mouth.

The Cubans who float over 1. don't do it very often as it's actually quite easy to get here in a far more legitimate way and 2. are in desperate straits, which is a percentage of any population. Are you going to cry over the U.S. veterans unable to live on their retirement benefits so much so that they flock to The Philippines in droves? What about the people who find our American healthcare system so abhorrent that whole websites are dedicated to "medical tourism"? What of the people who abandon their whole lives for years at a time to pay for schooling by either moving to a country which has free schooling or toiling away at some scholarship gaining workforce?

Would it surprise you to learn that I joined the military because I had no way to pay for college? Would it surprise you to learn that I fled America after a bankruptcy and foreclosure because job prospects aren't that good for veterans and other countries have cheaper housing? Would it surprise you to learn that the VA's own failings cut my G.I. Bill benefits so that I wasn't even able to complete an Associate's in 4 "benefit years" because I cannot get a grade if the school has not been paid, and appeal board are unscrupulous at best? What about the fact that I've now had to rejoin the military to complete my schooling?

I've been to 4 different countries and I can tell you that each has it's benefits and drawbacks, including our own. I prefer our country in many ways, but I can see it's flaws and benefits of going to other countries and living there as well. If I point out that our country spends more on healthcare and gets worse results than anyone else globally, that doesn't mean I ******* hate America, it means it has flaws that I think need to be ******* fixed, and I'm not the random Internet complainer either- I'm actually attaining the very position needed to fix the issues that concern me. Are you?

You make it seem like pointing out any flaw is paramount to treason, but I've bet you ate a hamburger recently, so **** you move to Germany if you like their food so much. I bet you're typing on a Japanese computer assembled in China so **** you move to Asia if you love it so much. What make and model is your car? What's your last name origin? Where was the steel from your ******* bedsprings manufactured?

You're making assumptions about Cuba that used to be true, but largely aren't anymore. The people there are pretty happy. And I never said **** about North Korea. You did. The next point in your logical argument timeline is Godwin's Law, so let's get it our of the way: Hitler was right and the Jews control the media. Now that we're past that, what further ammo have you? More baseless accusations of middle school history lessons backed by nothing, not even a link that disagrees with your point? Cherry-picked studies you'll pluck from the third page search results on Google? Or maybe blatant insults regarding my mother or wife, or possibly just the "ignore 90% of the post to say the argument doesn't apply to me specifically, making this personal" route.

C'mon man, make this sporty for once. Surprise me.
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#257 to #256 - ronniesan (01/03/2016) [-]
lmfao maybe if you spent less time on the internet arguing for communism you wouldn't have gotten foreclosed on.

Come to think of it you really failed quite a bit huh? Capitalism really sucks for the losers so I can see why you're so red.

I'll be finishing my school which is all payed for up to my bachelors since I'm a scholastic achiever, also I did my AA in Highschool for free through dual enrollment. L8er commie.
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#258 to #257 - catburglarpenis (01/03/2016) [-]
The third one, of course. How shocking. Debate courses must've been a real pain in the ass for you.

"See how I'm better than you? Obviously it is not related to my access to resources brought upon by my parents. However, I will not refrain from claiming their accomplishments as my own. Oh, still hungry? Here's some mild insults and vague anachronistic overtones and geopolitical demarcations. My BA guarantees me a job in our economy, just as it has for all others with a BA. For further reading, I recommend 'The Education of Millionaires' by Michael Elsburg. Oh, and before I leave, I'll make the assumption that you're spending more time than me on this argument when we're going for the exact same degree otherwise... it helps me sleep at night."

FJ might as well be an Internet orchestra at this point, though all debates end with only one of 3 instruments like a ******* Peter Molyneux credits sequence.
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#261 to #258 - ronniesan (01/03/2016) [-]
Lmfao what do you want a full debate with sources about why capitalism is a stronger form of government than socialized ******** . There's no need, the superiority of western capitalist nations is obvious, look at Eastern Europe and the broken USSR. Capitalism works because the strongest and most intelligent prosper and ******** like you get kicked to the curb, in the end the whole nation is much stronger.

Funny how you speak with such an uppity tone despite being a failure in real life. I earned all those accomplishments so I didn't have to get send to Durkistan and beg for my college education from the governments teet like a bitch. I can tell you're under-educated because you think a B.A. is gonna get you a job I mean holy **** dude, you need to talk to a counselor not some guy on the internet.
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#262 to #261 - catburglarpenis (01/04/2016) [-]
I never stated anything against capitalism, I simply highlighted that that particular dictatorship isn't 100% awful. What of this socialized ******** by the way? NEarly every country in the world has free markets so strong that they're almost without exception considered a form of capitalism, China included. Even Cuba has free market capitalism, the government simply gives them more than it gives Americans. Much like most places in Europe give you free medicine and education in addition to all the things that Americans get. We're not talking about 100% socialization, communism or capitalism, because it doesn't exist. In America we have socialized medicine (Medicare, Obamacare, free clinics), law enforcement, fire brigade, libraries, primary education and even secondary education if taken through several governmental programs (military, merchant marines, NASA type service). Our military is a communistic force designed so that Special Forces get paid as much as the mailmen, with 100% socialized services up to and including bills and housing, in a governmental structure that is technically a dictatorship, all to spread "freedom and democracy around the world". You simplify things too much as say "this bad and this good see I know stuff" when nothing is that blatantly simple. Again, highlighting the benefits of a separate system does not invalidate one's own, nor does highlighting the weaknesses of one's system- nobody's perfect, nothing's 100%, and dichotomies are thought projects only for a reason.

There are over 500 jobs in our nation's military. Approximately 30 of them are combat related, others are combat support. There are roughly 150 military bases in the U.S., and about 86 abroad. 13 of those are in what could be considered a "combat zone". The vast majority of military members never go to "Durkistan", including those in combat MOS's. I was in a combat MOS myself, and never went to "Durkistan".

I don't think joining the military qualifies as "begging" in any capacity, considering that the educational benefits are just part of the governmental "total compensation package". You work for your benefits, rather than have them handed to you. Also, my quotations in my above post was both mimicry and satire, it was an attempt to "translate" what you said.

If you think that your accomplishments were your own consider reading "Abandoned in the Heartland", which is a book about those born in East St. Louis. East St. Louis is the current murder capitol of the world, so I ask you if you could have concentrated on your schoolwork when you didn't think you could make it through the day. I had friends stabbed, shot, gunned down, and died of vastly preventable causes growing up, all while being beaten by my stepfather for the vast majority of my young life. These are failings of the system I was in, and of my parents. As a child, I could do nothing about this. You could say that I could've ran away, but the foster care system around my area was actually worse, with a goodly percentage of the system's participants dying on the streets due to lack of care. Oh, and they aged out of the system at 16, leaving them technically unable to rent an apartment and homeless. But I'm sure you moved out of your parent's house at 18, then paid for your own apartment and schooling out of pocket? Paid for your own car of course, hmm? Your medical bills, right out of your pocket, yes? And of course you could've easily navigated the environ my compatriots found ourselves in with ease, yes? Because you're such a scrappy fighter, bulletproof, and highly intelligent in spite of environmental factors literally lowering your IQ (pollution), of course.

You've succeeded because of your parents. Their success is yours. the moment you realize that, you become less of a ****** kid. Oh, and I am guaranteed a job with my BA. One in the military. As a counselor, for people like you.

Go hug your parents kid. They deserve better.
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User avatar #263 to #262 - ronniesan (01/04/2016) [-]
TLR You only have a job because the government has you around for some reason and ******** in this country think we need to spend the amount we do on a useless over bloated military so white America can sleep at night.

Sing me all the sad stories you want about east side ******** I don't give a **** . You have no idea who I am or the adversity I made it though. You make broad assumptions that I have to be one of the "white privileged", that you obviously feel jealousy towards, just because I was smart enough to have all my **** handed to me by the government for being the top ******* percent.

In the end, all of your paragraphs and reasoning doesn't amount to **** just like your failure of a life. I made it thus far and I'll continue to make it because I'm more intelligent than you, more driven than you, and better in general. That's why America is great. Enjoy the supple government teet and military pension plan with your 30k salary. I don't know why you want to become a counselor when you obviously have so many personal issues you need to work though.
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#264 to #263 - catburglarpenis (01/05/2016) [-]
So again you've made no attempt to defend yourself with facts, instead making the "broad assumptions" (your words again) that you simply deserve your fate. You haven't begun to deconstruct why- nor did you say "well I did make it as king of the fighters while dodging bullets and gangs all while being the smarterest all because of my hard work and not because of my inborn talent etc." Instead you simply make the claim that you're smarter and better in every way without an ounce of evidence to back you up. Frankly I think you're scared to begin to count your blessings. You are the newest generation, which will gut your parents for all their wealth and leave them in the dust. With the money spent on the fat of the land, you will land in the dust. As the old Chinese proverb states: "Wealth does not last 3 generations."

Poverty creates desperation. Desperation creates innovation. Innovation creates wealth. Wealth creates laziness. Laziness creates poverty. Anyone who has not counted the blessings of how one has gotten to where he is will be unable to create it in the event of it's loss. I have counted my blessings, but you simply state that your blessings are a result of your innate aptitude. So what you are admitting to, is that all the wind has to do... is blow. With that, your blessings will be gone. You state you were born into your blessings and that you deserve them (Divinely? You don't make this clear.) so if the world changes, you may not fit the market around you, and thus be unable to produce wealth within it. I have hundreds of examples of creating wealth on my own through the sweat of my own brow. How could I be jealous of one who has none?

You've admitted to literally suckling off the government's teat in your own words. I go to boot camp, pass trials and tribulations, then they give me money and benefits. You do well in school, and the government gives you scholarship money. So what you're saying is, you're literally on public aid. Check the qualifiers- you're on welfare. You literally are a welfare queen, preening around your government benefits knowing full well you're one single governmental downsizing from losing your benefits. I can't lose my benefits- it's not possible. I draw from the largest monetary pool the government has for benefits that I've physically earned, and I have control over them. If someone tries to take my benefits, I can literally engage them in both legislative and physical combat to prevent them from doing so. You on the other hand, have to simply hope that I succeed so that yours don't get taken as well. It seems that I have you suckling on my teat while you're at it.

You have no evidence to back up your claims whatsoever. I do. I have solid data, statistics, and actual scientific proof to my claims. You don't. I make 70k/year now with 310k total compensation package. For both the wife and I, our combined income with compensation packages is nearly 750k. In 4 months, these figures jump to 1.1 mil. In early 2018, it'll jump to 1.7, then 2.3 a mere two years later. We have a house on the beach in Coronado, California that is on the water. It comes with a jacuzzi and sauna. We can get the good stuff if we really wanted to. Ferraris, imported wine, daily caviar meals- that's all effortless for us. We have no bills. If we spent 200 dollars a day on food we wouldn't even eat up my current paycheck. Where are you even getting 30k from? Your inability to count out compensation packages?

Like all military members, I've seen civilian and military psychologists a minimum of once per year for the past 10 years since I joined, and no issues were found. Lack of access to resources does not make you insane, and being born a privileged ingrate does not mean you deserve it either. But good job turning the argument personal.

List of logical fallacies committed by you: Strawman, No True Scotsman, Slippery Slope, Fals Cause, Ad Hominum, Black-Or-White, Anecdotal, Genetic, and Special Pleading.

GG.
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#266 to #264 - catburglarpenis (01/05/2016) [-]
> Calls me a poorfag
> 750k/year compensation package
> Blocks me
> lol
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User avatar #265 to #264 - ronniesan (01/05/2016) [-]
Hoolllly too much to read. Later poorfag
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User avatar #7 - schneidend ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
So, the media is secretly controlled, but this movie was still able to be made and receive a lot of marketing?
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User avatar #244 to #7 - Shiny ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
It's not secretly controlled, it's almost flagrantly proud of its bias.
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User avatar #246 to #244 - schneidend ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Bias towards what, exactly?
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#8 to #7 - toofunnyboy (01/02/2016) [-]
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**toofunnyboy rolled image**way to zero in on one point. H e said it would be hard to understand.
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User avatar #83 to #7 - jibb (01/02/2016) [-]
So media is secretly controlled, but somehow journalists manage to raise some questions?
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User avatar #12 to #9 - schneidend ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
For starters: six companies. 232 executives. Where's the one guy, and why is his "family" so large?

"90% of what we read, watch, or listen to" is clearly ******** . The infographic doesn't even mention any data for anything but print journalism, radio, and television. These companies making lots of money doesn't even begin to prove that their products are 90% of what every single person consumes. Where's book publishing, video games, Netflix, Hulu, other social media besides reddit, tumblr, or digg? Why are Facebook and Imgur conveniently left out in order to inflate the Big Six's multiplier?
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#118 to #12 - captaincapital (01/02/2016) [-]
233 people controlling the media of an entire nation with hundreds of millions of people is no big deal? Are you retarded?
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User avatar #213 to #118 - schneidend ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Also, I never said it was no big deal. The words "no big deal" never appeared in my comment.
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User avatar #211 to #118 - schneidend ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
As I pointed out, the infographic is intentionally misleading. They control a lot, but they don't control "the media of an entire nation."
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User avatar #64 to #12 - syntheticdoll (01/02/2016) [-]
He's not refering to everything happening like that in America, he's talking about how is a Dictatorship and it shows how similar is the American system. It's not controlled by one person and his family but still a quite small group of people.
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User avatar #17 to #12 - badgoodass ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Can't speak for most people but when you want to get news you mostly get them from TV or newspapers (also radio maybe)
Video games, the movie industry and social media are meant for entertainment
At least I don't imagine you going directly on facebook/twitter/netflix when you want to get your news
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#10 to #7 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
Well how else would it appear free?
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#11 to #10 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
I hit enter and 2 other comments outta nowhere
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#55 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Capitalism, like socialism, works well on paper, but ends awfully in execution.
Since we gave conservativism and democracy a chance, how about socialism for 2 years?

At this point, we have very little to lose.
Weve only been around for 230 years after all...
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#71 to #55 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
No totallybernie, no, we are not becoming socialists no matter how many stupid college kids with no idea about anything want it.
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User avatar #154 to #96 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
Nice memes
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User avatar #155 to #154 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
don't make me open my yuro folder. I was pretty close with trollmobile spamming his nonsense
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User avatar #156 to #155 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
Yeah those epic memes sure will prove your point
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User avatar #157 to #156 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
/Pol+pot/funny-pictures/5786507/
Oh you mean like this one?
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User avatar #159 to #157 - enlightednatzie (01/02/2016) [-]
My memes are more epic than yours
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User avatar #60 to #55 - alimais ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
Non of those things will work in any country thanks to lobbyism because even in a non capitalism state, lobbyism is a thing

Corruption is Legal in America
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User avatar #66 to #55 - improbable (01/02/2016) [-]
whenever i hear about capitalism being bad in reality as with socialism i just look at capitalist countries and compare them to the countries that had communism and fascism
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User avatar #78 to #66 - theruinedsage ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
"When I want to compare capitalism with socialism, I compare it with communism and fascism instead. Then my arguments look a lot better."

Yeah no **** , richest country in the world does a lot better than dictatorships in the 3rd world.
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User avatar #81 to #78 - improbable (01/02/2016) [-]
no country starts off wealthy
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#82 to #81 - theruinedsage ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
How the ******* hell does that have jack **** to do with socialism? Are you just going to spew **** until anyone who does't consider capitalism the one true god shakes their heads and stop talking to you? Or are you just stating facts because you have no argument?
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User avatar #84 to #82 - improbable (01/02/2016) [-]
so you agree that capitalism leads to prosperity while socialism leads to 3rd world conditions and dictatorship?
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User avatar #89 to #84 - theruinedsage ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
No, because that's not you said you twat. Might have been what you meant, but if that's what you mean then ******* say it instead of stating obvious facts.
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#122 to #89 - improbable (01/02/2016) [-]
your face when
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#68 to #55 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
"Ends awfully in execution"

Are you serious? The success of capitalism compared to the failures of socialism is so utterly obvious that it takes pure blindness not to recognize. Literally just look at neighbouring countries as example.

Take Latin America, Venezuela has your glorious socialism right there and guess what they have? Triple digit inflation, mass scarcity and the worst economic allocation i've ever seen, and the masses are sick of it as the ruling socialist party is already getting their ass kicked in recent elections. And now compare that with Chile the most successful Latin American country and woah guess what the country with the highest economic freedom in Latin America according to the Economic Freedom Index (just so you know higher economic freedom means it's more capitalist)

Or hell just look at which east asian countries are the most successful. The four Asian tigers easily blow most other countries away in economic success thanks to low taxes, free trade, and small government spending. Compare that to places like North Korea or countries still recovering from socialism like Laos and you get my point.

Even the supposed "socialist" countries like Scandinavians aren't socialist, they have higher economic freedom than the US in many areas, in fact the Nordic Model precisely states that it's a combination of free market capitalism and a welfare state because capitalism is the only way for an economy to afford it. And even then high government spending in the welfare state hasn't been doing well for Scandinavian countries at all. www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11993040/Finland-emerges-awww.bloombergview.com/articles/2012-06-06/booming-sweden-s-free-market-solutions-the-new-sick-man-of-Europe-as-euros-worst-performing-economy.html

Since the industrial revolution life globally has doubled its life expectancy, undernourishment is at an all time low, child mortality is an at all time low, global poverty has halfed and is estimated to half again by 2035. I'd say capitalism is doing pretty damn fine.
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User avatar #90 to #85 - theruinedsage ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
>not knowing the difference between socialism and communism.
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User avatar #91 to #90 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
>not knowing who Karl Marx is
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User avatar #101 to #91 - theruinedsage ONLINE (01/02/2016) [-]
>implying that socialism and communism are the same thing because a dude wrote a book before either of those existed.
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User avatar #103 to #101 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
Oh you're one of those socialists? Just cuck my **** up, fam.
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User avatar #149 to #103 - AlexPaincakes (01/02/2016) [-]
Please stop saying fam you're not cool, and no one thinks you're cool because you say stupid **** .
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User avatar #151 to #149 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
feel the bern
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User avatar #152 to #151 - AlexPaincakes (01/02/2016) [-]
I'd rather you say that than fam, honestly.
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User avatar #153 to #152 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
**** off you socialist cuck
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#158 to #153 - AlexPaincakes (01/02/2016) [-]
Lol you have NO idea where my political views lie.
Try to be a better troll next time m8.
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#161 to #158 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
"You say stupid **** !"
after I emptied my anti-commie folder

don't make me kek
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User avatar #166 to #161 - AlexPaincakes (01/02/2016) [-]
Nah, just fam. I just want to end this "fam" epidemic. It spreads like the plague.
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User avatar #167 to #166 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
Alright cool. I can respect that. I'll just have you know I was doing it ironically.
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User avatar #172 to #167 - AlexPaincakes (01/02/2016) [-]
I kinda figured you were, but everyone else keeps saying it now and they think they're the **** because of it for some reason. A.K.A. Stupid minors I work with say dumb **** like this all the time.. **** i'm not even old yet but I feel like I'm turning into that adult that hates the generation below them.
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#100 to #99 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Keep it free, pay for less military jetfighters, tax the churches, pay teachers more.
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User avatar #102 to #100 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
That's not how colleges work. College was a business, and still is a business. But now that we have illegals taking all the jobs, people are cramming themselves into colleges, and have never worked a day in their lives, giving them that 'special snowflake' safezone fade, fam.

You're even worse than Bernie.
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User avatar #178 to #102 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>ignoring the signs of economic change
>thinking colleges should be for-profit
>thinking everyone trying to get into college and be educated is bad

protip: people do it because it's becoming needed for even the simplest jobs

>2016
>still conservative
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User avatar #198 to #178 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
Oh hi John Oliver
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User avatar #199 to #198 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
I MEAN COME ON PEOPLE
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#104 to #102 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
I rather everyone goes to college so that we have fewer stupid people.
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User avatar #142 to #104 - trollmobile (01/02/2016) [-]
don't mind kibble
he's horrendeously edgy, and extremely far-right leaning.
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User avatar #106 to #104 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
I'd rather not, since that's what public school is for. Not everyone needs higher education, because not everyone is going to work those jobs. Do you know how hard it is to get a job, even AFTER college? We need to;
A. stop outsourcing
B. stop illegal immigrants from being hired
Then we'll have more jobs for people to take after school, we'll have less special snowflakes, college will be cheaper and open up for everyone.
If not that, then you can still invest in an apprenticeship or go to a community college.
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#183 to #106 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>wants more regulation

>wants less government interference

pick one, retardo
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User avatar #186 to #183 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
Woah woah woah.
I want the US to be less dependent on other nations. There's a gray area in between every government system, and we're stuck in one. It's the no-go zone, where nothing works. Either full gun control or no gun control, savvy?
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User avatar #193 to #186 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
I see what you're saying. Essentially, the US needs to be less dependent on other countries' goings ons. Like for instance, we don't want a trade deal that would **** us over because of some sort of administrative blunder on the part of a foreign government. I see how you're saying. I agree, I feel like we should be less dependent on what is going on, in fact we should really go back to our roots. And I'm not talking Ronald Reagan, I'm talking further back... Like a waaaaays back, you know? Honestly I almost feel like we should go back to involving religion. There's plenty of instances where having religion in society has been the best path, regardless of the religion. Take for instance, the Muslims. For several hundred years, societies were based around the beliefs of Islam, and a LOT of scientific advances were made. All because people were doing stuff for a REASON. Sure the reason may not be real, and most consider the reason, Allah, to be false, but **** I mean look at the good in the world being done right now by people in the name of Allah (or in any case, God.) There's people all over being helped by missionaries, be them Muslim or Catholic or Hindu.
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User avatar #108 to #106 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
I can agree with you on the job market issue.
Though there are already laws in place for stuff like that.
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User avatar #196 to #108 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>right to work laws

>workers can be terminated for no reason

nice regulation, m8
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User avatar #197 to #196 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Well its either that or we go full Orwellian with ID tattoos
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User avatar #109 to #108 - dtox (01/02/2016) [-]
there are all kinds of ideas that can certainly work (such as free education for all), the issue lies in the implementation and what safeguards were put up to prevent it from caving in on itself. it means nothing if you put someone who's pants on head retarded in charge.

just making school "free" wont solve the issue; it needs quality assurance and proper budgeting. it can all be screwed up easily is something like footing the bill to the wrong area happens.

It's exactly why our education is in trouble now, just a huge list of mistake after mistake due to incompetence. First they base the budget to public schools on the value of property around them, then you have no child left behind (causing the standard of education to plummet). throw in budget cut after budget cut, and you have a system that COULD have worked, being that it may have been affordable with a decent standard of learning, but instead now it's a massive wreck.

there are no easy solutions to these type of things.
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User avatar #164 to #104 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
College doesn't make people intelligent. And someone still needs to do base positions like garbage retail ect.
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User avatar #176 to #164 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>implying stupid people do those jobs

protip: Stupid people don't work, they go out and get themselves killed with reckless behavior
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#230 to #176 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
My comment doesn't imply anything like that retard. It implies that those jobs don't need a college education so it's a waste of ******* money. Meanwhile titto is over here believing that all of us paying for a bunch of dick heads to go to college is gonna make everyone more intelligent.

THE HONEST TRUTH if you're intelligent in this country you go to school for free through state scholarships, everyone else is mediocre and can pay their own **** .
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User avatar #113 to #104 - zetsuboukamina (01/02/2016) [-]
More college= less jobs. When everyone has a degree jobs that pay like $50000 a year will want grad school and about 10 more years of schooling. If we make college free it will basically be treated like a highschool diploma
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User avatar #185 to #113 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>implying free college = mandatory college

protip: it doesn't

protip: the idea of free college is to allow those who have the aptitude, but not the finances, to go to college. not to make those who lack the aptitude to go to college
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User avatar #116 to #104 - Whaaaaaaaaa (01/02/2016) [-]
not everyone is cut out for college. who will repair our cars, who will work in factories, who will work at our fast food chains, who will work as a farm hand, who will work in sanitation, who will work in porn?

see you're stuck in that Everyone should be a winner idea. that's not reality.
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User avatar #141 to #116 - trollmobile (01/02/2016) [-]
free college does not mean mandatory college.
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User avatar #181 to #116 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>implying stupid people do those jobs

protip: Stupid people don't work, they go out and get themselves killed with reckless behavior

protip: if you want to stop everyone from going to college, remove the retarded stigma that blue collar jobs are for retards and dropouts
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User avatar #260 to #181 - Whaaaaaaaaa (01/03/2016) [-]
its not a stigma..
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User avatar #201 to #181 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
> implying people who don't go to college now are automatic retards
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User avatar #138 to #104 - xiontheshadows (01/02/2016) [-]
I'm sorry, Tito. Everyone going to college will ultimately create an over-saturation of degrees to which they become utterly useless since there will be numerous others with the same thing. Many colleges don't give you a whole lot of on-hands experience, just a bunch of textbook-based projects. Employers want know-hows, they want someone who has actually done what they want, not just learned how it works.
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User avatar #180 to #138 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>implying college degrees aren't already horrendously oversaturated
>implying that getting jobs nowadays can be done on experience and merit, without regards to an AS or BS

protip: not the case
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User avatar #115 to #100 - Whaaaaaaaaa (01/02/2016) [-]
tax the people more to pay for free schools so people like tito don't have time to sit on the internet.. People forget why we spend so much on military defense or they just don't know.
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User avatar #221 to #115 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
Why not implement a form of domestic conscription seen in countries like Estonia? Help instill (read: beat) some discipline in younger people.
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User avatar #175 to #115 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
Without all of our exorbitant military spending, how would the rich weapon manufacturers and insider trading stockholders get richer? How would the United States be able to project its sphere of influence over the world, stealing resources and causing every country in the world to hate us in the process? What would we glorify, and call the greatest asset to our country in order to brainwash the American public?
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User avatar #259 to #175 - Whaaaaaaaaa (01/03/2016) [-]
the same way false charity owners get rich. from the ignorant people wanting to do good.
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User avatar #137 to #115 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Okay then, lets leave the military alone and tax the churches.
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User avatar #162 to #137 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
still wouldn't be enough
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User avatar #169 to #162 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Well **** how about a balance? You know...like government money lowering the price of college to make it accessible for people who were raised by failures who wouldnt set up a college fundfor their kid?
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User avatar #171 to #169 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
That's been tried several times. The government gives money to universities to hopefully lower the prices, colleges don't do **** so they can get more.
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User avatar #179 to #171 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
>implying every government funded program doesn't do this

protip: they do
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User avatar #177 to #171 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Holy **** this is an even bigger problem entirely!

These facilities need to be regulated. This kind of activity is unstable and can be harmful to the public by discouraging the general population from quality education.
Basically anyone who is stuck at a crappy job without a degree wont be able to afford to save up for an Associates degree until their late 20's. And even those are hardly more valuable than a highschool diploma.
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#182 to #177 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
It's a **** world mang, but completely revising our economic system is not the answer. We need to return to a time when it DID work, when the US was at it's best. People like to use europe as an example of socialism's success, but it would never work for the US. It would require too much government spending for the transformation alone, and even then it would never succeed in a country as large as the US. Like I've been saying, we need to make America great again.
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#184 to #182 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Alright then, what was done back then to make things work better? I dont want to act like a one sided hypocrite so id like to hear you out.

What should be brought back?
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User avatar #238 to #184 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
Socialism was working in Europe when they didn't have many immigrants, watch how they do now with the flood of immigrants from ME and Africa. Europe isn't the US.

In the US we need to undo all the ******** tax code loop holes and lobbying that has allowed rich to exploit the system.
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User avatar #189 to #184 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
We need to bring back jobs. The new generation likes to throw around how the baby boomer generation had it easy, with cheaper college/jobs. That can all be solved by just having less outsourcing and illegals taking jobs.
"But they do jobs americans won't do!" Exactly, and now they need a ******* safe-zone, go-figure eh?
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User avatar #204 to #189 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
It's much easier to hire an illegal because they can be given under-the-table payment for their work, and not be provided workers compensation or insurance. If they were to complain or threaten to file a complaint, they could easily be fired on the spot.
Even if the employee managed to go to court, it would just end up with deportation when the court goes through the employee's documents.

I had a similar issue working for American Hydraulic once, but I was a US citizen and was trying to survive after being kicked out of my house. The guy evaded taxes by hiring me as a subcontractor(which means I didn't get my checks pre-taxed), and I wound up paying more taxes for my own work. This was of course, at 6.50$ per hour, as a hydraulic technician, in 2012.

Predictably, I got kicked out of the room I was renting for insufficient rent and wound up being rescued by my best friend, whose parents allowed me to stay for 11 months, start college with financial aid(instead of my own savings), and work an office job.

Now I'm better off... but as you can see, if it weren't for my friend, I wouldn't be Totally, nor Tito anymore. During the homeless part of my life, I used my last phone call to break up with my previous GF at the time and killing myself.

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User avatar #205 to #204 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
Ya see, we gotta stop people from hiring illegals. That's what they come here for, is jobs.

We can also remove income tax and leave everything to property/sales tax so that they can't more easily avoid taxes.
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User avatar #207 to #205 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Honestly I can't see any reason for the illegals to come here for a "land of opportunity".

It's extremely unwelcoming towards newbies(especially in california and newyork), and they wind up paying more for what is almost practically the same living conditions in their country.
Have you seen Mexico? It's recently gotten some of its **** together(impressively so), and much cheaper for the cost of commodities, too.

And besides, as long as people are desperate for any form of "opportunity" or "big money" there will always be abusive employers willing to find the next desperate sucker willing to work hardest for the lowest.

If it's not in America, then they'll outsource it and wait for the slow bulk shipping.

Illegals are only half of the problem, and whether we like it or not, they are doing their part in helping our economic growth, and will continue to sneak in as long as they are convinced that our nation has anything more to offer than Mexico does.

Humans are like rats, we're sharp creatures that can accomplish tremendous feats when deluded enough to think there is a solution to a problem on the other side.
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User avatar #208 to #207 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
then build it.
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User avatar #210 to #208 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
Personally I think Puerto Rico has been long overdue for a hostile occupation.
Its crime rates are abysmal, its government is [actually] corrupted(not just hippie mumbo jumbo), and its citizens have a high rate of unemployment. It needs to be wiped clean with military force, but I don't have the heart to actually hurt anyone, nor the money to have someone do it for me.
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User avatar #214 to #208 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
That being said, the only thing I can do to build a better US is to be nice to people, do my part in society, pay my taxes, and maybe let a homeless dude chill in my garage for a couple of days while he cleans himself up and finds a job to rent somebody's room with.

I was given a chance, I should pass it on, you know?
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User avatar #219 to #214 - kibbleking (01/02/2016) [-]
That's a wonderful mindset
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User avatar #223 to #219 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
thanks
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User avatar #234 to #214 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
Why homeless people don't just head to Alaska or some other isolated state is beyond me. At least everyone's poor in a Alaska, right?
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User avatar #236 to #234 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
yeah, except getting there costs money too
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User avatar #239 to #236 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
Point. Still, costs less than a house...
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#194 to #189 - totallytito (01/02/2016) [-]
GIF
As an animator i agree with you on the heavy outsourcing issue, and my animation career is in danger of becoming a freelance train, which may force it to be a second job for me while a dayjob sustains me. Disney recently disbanded its 2d animation industry and those animators migrated to Europe.

The reason they are outsourcing is not because people don't want to take those jobs, it is because there have been so many workers safety regulation laws, that the employers can no longer abuse their employees for the maximum profit yet for the minimum pay.

Other nations are not so merciful towards their employees, and these are the ones that end up being outsourced to.
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User avatar #220 to #100 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
Churches. The only thing worth taxing.

I despise taxation, but religious centers don't give back as much as a Trade School does.
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User avatar #195 to #97 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
haha this is a good one
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User avatar #119 to #55 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
Yeah, the Russians gave it a chance, didn't work out so well.
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User avatar #231 to #119 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
Asshurt commies downthumbing
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User avatar #232 to #231 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
You don't say? They try to wipe their ass with the Constitution, and they'll have a 60 million-strong mob to deal with.
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User avatar #233 to #232 - ronniesan (01/02/2016) [-]
What a ******* coincidence that the communist nations don't look kindly on gun ownership, it's almost like they know they're not gonna be popular and are ruling by force.
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User avatar #237 to #233 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
Exactly. That they want to try it in the U.S. now shows how dumb they are.
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User avatar #200 to #119 - kommandantvideo (01/02/2016) [-]
our system will have less vodka. and more corruption.
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User avatar #215 to #200 - scowler (01/02/2016) [-]
Are you drunk? Because it sounded like you got the two backwards.
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User avatar #62 to #55 - kiaserzerg (01/02/2016) [-]
the human need for greed is far greater than any idealism.
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#139 - swedishassassin (01/02/2016) [-]
Yet the fact that this scene exists is it's self-evidence of America being not a dicatorship

Plus, this guy has the nerve to talk about the "1%" while being a multi-millionaire himself.
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User avatar #144 to #139 - highkingtorygg (01/02/2016) [-]
its not saying america is a dictatorship, its saying america does all those things
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User avatar #160 to #144 - swedishassassin (01/02/2016) [-]
"Plus, this guy has the nerve to talk about the "1%" while being a multi-millionaire himself."
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User avatar #173 to #168 - swedishassassin (01/02/2016) [-]
You mean, other than being a hypocritical statement to look like a good guy whilst being the system itself
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#67 - frostbeard (01/02/2016) [-]
This scares me, I used to get bad trips and thinking about **** like this.
Even if you try to run away to a place of solitude, what are the chances that they'll find you outta nowhere and bring you down for breaking the laws you never knew existed or never intended to break them.
Then you're left just an innocent man, stuck in a cell.
There's no escape
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#112 - bakagaijin (01/02/2016) [-]
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User avatar #125 to #112 - ronyx (01/02/2016) [-]
Lord Jesus, help me
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#126 to #112 - randacc (01/02/2016) [-]
Just woke up and i already have to masturbate
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User avatar #56 - lotengo (01/02/2016) [-]
Still a better system than what ever Bernie Sanders will do if he wins
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#170 - freedombirdman (01/02/2016) [-]
Jeez, thanks for reminding me.
At least we can still have political commentary like this without the government censoring it.The First Amendment is the greatest shield against tyranny that we have, along with the Second. Once those two are stripped away, all else is lost.
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#174 - ognuggetry (01/02/2016) [-]
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#150 - gustin (01/02/2016) [-]
Living in Southeast Asia for the last 22 years of my life, never seen snow and experience christmas spirit. I want to experience both this year so should I go to america? or other eastern country that has those. The internet really scare me from going to america tho.
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User avatar #163 to #150 - feelythefeel (01/02/2016) [-]
Japan is closer, and is a good winter time tourist destination. They have winter festivals, they predominantly celebrate Christmas, and certain areas get plenty of snow. Be prepared to see a lot of people at KFC, tho. That's also a Christmas tradition.

To be clear, I'm not a weeb. It's just sincere advice.
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#190 to #163 - gustin (01/02/2016) [-]
Was thinking about Japan too, but I'm already going to Kyoto on April for the cherry blossoms. And I'd figure that Tokyo and Osaka only have minimal snow on winter. perhaps next year.

Was thinking about Korea, not sure it will be as fun as Japan.
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User avatar #202 to #190 - feelythefeel (01/02/2016) [-]
Apparently Christmas is even more popular in Korea. Not sure if that translates to more fun for winter tourists, though.
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#187 to #150 - anon (01/02/2016) [-]
come to Canada its like America but better
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#143 - macgiollauidhir (01/02/2016) [-]
Here come the Eurocucks, talking about how WONDERFUL socialism is.
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#136 - exabytee (01/02/2016) [-]
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#135 - xiontheshadows (01/02/2016) [-]
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User avatar #130 - jouten (01/02/2016) [-]
Why do Americans think the only alternative to Capitalism is Socialism? Ever heard of Social Market economy?
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#123 - orangebudd (01/02/2016) [-]
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If only we knew why... :s

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