The conspiracy is strong

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#3 - pennydragon (11/24/2015) [-]

"ONCE I DEPLOY THE BAT-WALL I'LL KEEP YOU MEXI-CUNTS OUT OF GOTHAM FOR GOOD!"

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#35 to #3 - mcfurk (11/25/2015) [-]

GIF

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#1 - sinery (11/24/2015) [-]

Best I have seen in a long while.

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#50 - EdwardNigma

(11/25/2015) [-]

I make this joke every time The Riddler is in content.

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#2 - MoparMan (11/24/2015) [-]

B-but Trump worked for his money, all he inherited was a small loan of a million dollars!

sarcasm

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#76 to #2 - swaqq (11/25/2015) [-]

he had to pay that back with interest

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#12 to #2 - shinycharizard (11/25/2015) [-]

Trump inherited an estimated $40 million to $200 million

According to this calculator, someone invested in S&P500 would get a return of 1600% from 1980 to 2015. dqydj.net/sp-500-return-calculator/

Even using the high estimate of $200 M, he'd end up with only $3.2 Billion, compared to his current net worth of $4Billion. And he did this in construction companies, not wall street schemes. A low estimate would be $640 Million.

People like to talk about his failures and bankruptcies as if that never happens in business. 80% of all businesses fail. Investors know the risks when investing. Even if 80% of Trump's businesses failed he'd simply be an average business owner.

The people downplaying his success are generally ignorant or jealous.

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#15 to #12 - angelusprimus (11/25/2015) [-]

Is he a decent businessman? Sure.
Is he an amazing business god like he is trying to present himself? No.

First, its much easier to make two million out of one than two dollars out of a single dollar.

He had massive amount of seed money to work with just in the middle of the 1980ies when one of the most massive building booms in history was going on.

Second he didn't just inherit the money, he inherited his dad's contacts too. In business like building that is so dependent on so many people contacts are as valuable as money and take lifetime to make, he got them served on a platter.

He also got a team of advisors with years of experience from his dad. Again its something that normally takes years to build.

No one sane is saying that Trump is incompetent. But with advantages he had handed to him any decent or even semi decent businessman could have done as well. If he was a poor businessman he'd have failed, but if he was a brilliant one he could have done much much better.

I'll keep my admiration for self made billionaires like Elon Musk, Phil Knight, Sergei Brin, Larry Ellison or Armancio Ortega. All much richer than Trump and all self made.

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#53 to #15 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]

It's Amancio Ortega, without the r

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#67 to #12 - makethingsworse (11/25/2015) [-]

Yes, but do we want an average business owner running one of the most economically potent countries in the world?

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#75 to #67 - arteries (11/25/2015) [-]

better than a ******

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#86 to #67 - shinycharizard (11/25/2015) [-]

That 4$ is under-estimated, as banks and credit unions can't accurately label non-liquid assets, even when using the GDP deflator. I recall reading that his full net worth is around 8-10 billion.

And no, he's not great, but he's far better than Socialist "make everything 'free' " Sanders.

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#93 to #86 - makethingsworse (11/25/2015) [-]

The way I see it is we either vote in a Socialist or we risk voting in an ass whom is literally quoted as saying "I'm not going to check my facts before I say something...". When it comes down to it... I'm going to risk it wth Sanders.

BTW I identify as a straight white male Republican and I would MUCH rather have Sanders in office.

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#88 to #86 - angelusprimus (11/25/2015) [-]

Actually only person that values Trump at 10 billion is Donald Trump.
That's because Trump values Trump brand at 6 billion dollars.
Which is really impressive if you consider that Coca Cola brand (without assets, just the brand) is valued at 8 billion.

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#89 to #88 - shinycharizard (11/25/2015) [-]

www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-net-worth-forbes-214204

You right, you right.

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#90 to #89 - angelusprimus (11/25/2015) [-]

He does have a point though, his brand is very valuable. But not in excess of 6 billion. Half a billion to a billion (if we compare it to really big boys like Coke).
Still that leaves him at 5 to 5,5 billion, not nearly 11 like he considers himself.

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#81 to #12 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]

Well, he pretends to be this awesome business man, while in reality he is a decent business man, who got a huge head start in life. He has also been in bed with the mob and ****** over small businisses.

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#4 to #2 - waacson (11/24/2015) [-]

i don't mean to sound like a dick or anything, but what would you be able to do with a loan of a million dollars? are you really certain you would be as successful like he is?

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#8 to #4 - MoparMan (11/25/2015) [-]

Oh, **** , no. I'd still get an uninspired job and work for a living, the million would just serve as funds so I wouldnt have to save up for anything (IE: house down-payment, car, etc).

The point of my initial post was to poke fun at people who think a million dollars is a small amount of money, and that Trump is relatable in any way.

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#9 to #4 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]

Adjusted for inflation, Trumples actually got over five million.

Maybe I wouldn't be a billionaire, but only a moron or someone who takes downright retarded risks would lose money on that.

Besides, if I had also gotten the best schooling money could buy, gotten anything I wanted as a kid, had no real conscience or ethics, had been taught by my extremely financially successful father, had gotten the best college education money could buy, had essentially been handed all the tools to success and been given a manual on how to use them while also living in a time period where it was much easier to be even richer when you were already rich...

Yeah, actually, it wouldn't have been that hard.

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#87 to #9 - lotengo (11/25/2015) [-]

It would cost $682 million for a real-life Batman to fund his world-saving lifestyle, thanks to the price of high-tech cars, gadgets, his mansion and training

those 5 aint ****

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#79 to #9 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]

A fairly crappy excuse. Anyone who isn't in abject poverty has the opportunity to receive a very high-quality education. Pretending that you never had the chance to succeed is ridiculous. Sure, Trump got a high starting point, but in luxury real-estate, that barely gets your foot in the door.

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#64 to #4 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]

His dad didn't only give him a million dollars. He also had a huge network of support and connections. As well as an already established name. His success was virtually guaranteed

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#36 to #4 - internetnick (11/25/2015) [-]

refer to #15

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#27 to #4 - meganinja (11/25/2015) [-]

I'd like to say I would build my own industrial plant, but I doubt I could even buy an abandoned factory for that much. I'd probably start a small business and survive off that until I could pay off the loan.

But then again I'm just the average joe with no business contacts or training.

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#6 to #2 - hirollin (11/24/2015) [-]

well having a million dollars isn't a guarantee of success. black economist man taught us that.

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#65 - grummligertroll (11/25/2015) [-]

So u finally figured it out, huh?

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#46 - lotengo (11/25/2015) [-]

Click to show spoiler

Plz do not open image spoiler right away

This will blow your mind guys, i figured it out.
Batman is a super strong, super cool ninja, probably the smarterest and most badass person on the planet. Fights for what he believes in, and his parents are dead.

Batman is obviously.
you may now open image spoiler

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#73 to #46 - theredfish (11/25/2015) [-]

F*ck you !

I though it will be this fgt but then I checked your name and you are not uchihalover or that fgt sebring.

Then I opened the spoiler and you failed my thrust.

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#84 to #46 - tomthehippie (11/25/2015) [-]

Psh, Batman would ********* Sasuke so good that even Sasuke wouldn't have any complains.

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#85 to #46 - sirgawain ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

ahem
HOW DARE YOU STAND WHERE HE STOOD!
Truly one of the most insistent *********** of our time.

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#68 to #46 - ronyx ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

Batman doesn't use sandals

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#7 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/24/2015) [-]

The Riddler theorized that Batman actually got his wealth from the criminals he beat up.

Of course this is false, and very unlike the Riddler's generally intelligent character, as examining any pieces of the scene where the crooks were apprehended would show that no money was taken, AND it would be next to impossible for one man or even a small group to make/repair his equipment and vehicles with the efficiency to allow him to prowl almost every night.

Obviously he would have to be a person who has a secure and massive amount of wealth as well as good and private connections; considering the Batman operates primarily in Gotham and knows the city as well as he does, it's safe to assume he would live there.

So that limits the choices to billionaires with great influence who currently reside in Gotham (and did so when Batman first appeared), with a grand physique and a lot of time on his hands.

That puts it down to...what, 2 people? I can't imagine very many billionaires stay in Gotham because they like the massive crime rate and stark poverty of the lower class.

I'm not even half as smart as the Riddler and it's simple as hell. This is why you should never write a smart character and then make them extremely dumb in certain areas for the sake of convenience.

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#66 to #7 - bohemianblasphemy (11/25/2015) [-]

He did theorize in Arkham Origins that Batman must've been either Bruce Wayne or Harvey Dent (Two-Face), but he was never able to narrow it down further. However, it's implied that he believed it was Harvey more than Bruce. Even after Bruce's identity is revealed at the end of Arkham Knight , the Riddler still believes that he's just trying to fool everyone.

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#78 to #66 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

But wouldn't you be able to SEE if it was Harvey Dent via his face?

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#80 to #78 - bohemianblasphemy (11/25/2015) [-]

At that point in the timeline, I don't believe Dent became Two-Face yet. Then again, this is Arkham Origins we're talking about; I'd take it with a grain of salt.

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#10 to #7 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]

"I'm not even half as smart as the Riddler and it's simple as hell."

It helps that you already know the answer, ******* ...

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#18 to #10 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

Nowhere in there did I suggest anything other than information that could be picked up by simple public news reports and witness testimonies of the Batman. The Riddler himself had multiple run-ins with him, and so could verify.

Don't get all pissy pants because there's a flaw in your favourite comics, it happens to everyone.

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#11 to #7 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]

Batman doesn't have to be rich, he could just be funded by someone rich.
Example, Terry McGinnis. Or he might even be secretly funded by the government, for all the average person knows.

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#20 to #11 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

That's true, and while very plausible, it's much more difficult to figure out than acting as if Batman and Funder were the same person, so I think The Riddler would go with that first.

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#30 to #20 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]

Maybe. A Terry McGinnis type scenario seems more plausible in my mind. A billionaire like Bruce Wayne is in the spotlight quite a lot and might have trouble concealing his activities.The most effective Batman would be someone with no family and few Earthly attachments, who could be Batman full time without worrying about other responsibilities or maintaining a legitimate facade. Such a person's true identity would be much less of a burden on him than Bruce Wayne's, because he wouldn't have to worry about endangering his family or losing his job or whatever if he was discovered. Especially if his wealthy backer remains anonymous.

Or imagine if Batman was someone like Marvel's Black Widow, a superhero who has no civilian life at all, whose true identity is protected by the government. It'd be much less of a hassle than having to sneak around and lead a double life the way the real Batman does.

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#33 to #30 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

Yes, but keep in mind that it would also be more difficult to figure out his identity that way. I maintain that the Riddler would exhaust the 'easier' trails first, ESPECIALLY if he knew of Batman's Paranoia. The best way to figure this out would be to see at what times Batman was active. Batman is highly trained and probably needs little sleep, so there would be a 2-4 hour gap between his sprees. If there was a substantial gap, such as 8 hours or 12 or 16, he would obviously have a social life and circle that he adheres to (unless he is just super tired and sleeps a lot, which in the case of a highly trained Batman is even MORE unlikely).

The government backing Batman is unlikely, because he neither acts politically nor with gusto. Black Widow makes sense because she assassinates high profile targets, but Batman only focuses on crime in Gotham. It wouldn't be plausible unless there was some grand 'clean up' scheme involving a costumed hero, which in itself would be less efficient than just donating more to the police force.

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#34 to #33 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]

I suppose it depends on whether the Riddler is relying mostly on deduction or investigation. If it's down to several broad possibilities (billionaire vs sponsored vigilante vs government agent, for example), and he has to investigate each of those possibilities separately, then sure, maybe he'll check the easiest route first. But even that might not necessarily be the case if he thinks that each possibility has a different probability - for example, if he thinks there's only 5% chance that Batman is a billionaire leading a dual life, vs 65% chance of him having a billionaire's backing, or something.

Black Widow was a loose analogy. Perhaps Batman is secretly employed by Gotham's local or state government rather than the feds, as a deniable asset. What Batman does isn't legal, but it is effective, so perhaps they use him for things the police can't handle easily. And the police don't know about it. The Suicide Squad is an example of the government doing something very similar, though not for vigilantism and not with the consent of the participants. But there've been other instances of the government sponsoring superheroes as well, like when Superman worked for the Reagan administration in The Dark Knight Returns, or when President Lex Luthor hired Captain Atom, Power Girl, Starfire and others as official government-sponsored heroes.
Or perhaps he's one of many such government agents: after all, every major city in DC's America has at least one costumed vigilante based in it. Coincidence?
If we didn't already know who Batman was and how he got his tech, there'd be a ******* of possibilities.

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#22 to #20 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]

So the riddler would go with the "funder is same person" route just because it was easier and not because it was the truth?

I mean that's pretty dumb, ouchie my brain hurts cbf figuring out batmans identity **** it I'll go with the theory that requires less work.

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#24 to #22 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

It's not that, it's just that both are viable, except one is easier to follow, so you may as well follow THAT route first. No point making things harder for yourself.

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#38 to #24 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]

So with no other reason other than "one is easier" you just follow that one.
Well okay then top detective work there riddler.

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#39 to #38 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

What the **** are you talking about?

"Yeah I could call my friend to see where they are, but I could ALSO look all over town for them..."

You have two choices, there's a prize at the top of a hill you can grab, you can either run up a little slope, OR you can go through a treacherous rock climb, both options have a 50% chance of letting you reach the top, which are you gonna do first?

If you obviously don't understand following the path of least resistance as far as it leads, you are either TRYING to be difficult or you're genuinely handicapped. Either way, please never attempt to raise children.

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#40 to #39 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]

Are you stupid? They lead to completely different goals.

This isn't schrodingers batman, there is no "path of least resistance" there is only one correct bath, either your theory is wrong or it's correct. It's to completely ignore the possibility of Batman having a benefactor with absolutely no evidence for it is completely retarded.

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#41 to #40 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

Never once did I say the Riddler would completely ignore it, I said that out of the TWO VIABLE OPTIONS (that is, that he has a benefactor or he IS the one), in his attempts to FIGURE IT OUT, he has to FOLLOW ONE TRAIL until it REACHES A CONCLUSION, that conclusion may be BATMAN'S IDENTITY, or it may lead to a DEAD END. IN THIS CASE, with BOTH VIABLE OPTIONS, EACH OF WHICH MAY BE TRUE AND LIKELY, the Riddler would follow THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE until it is either proven BATMAN'S IDENTITY or leads to a DEAD END, at which case he will MOVE ONTO THE NEXT ONE, CONTINUING UNTIL ALL VIABLE THEORIES ARE EXHAUSTED, STARTING FROM MOST LIKELY TO LEAST LIKELY IN A FASHION THAT ALSO BENEFITS EFFICIENCY IN THE TIME IT WILL TAKE TO REACH A CONCLUSION.

Do you understand now or do I have to enunciate more or make it even simpler?
>Inb4 "I was just pretending to be retarded to frustrate you"

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#42 to #41 - sugoi (11/25/2015) [-]

No I'm pretty sure you're the retard here trying to frustrate.

Since you know, you could just multi-task and follow both, **** aint complicated since you're supposed to draw your conclusions from the evidence you find not find evidence based on a pre-mature conclusion you've already made.

But I guess that way of thinking must have eluded you.

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#43 to #42 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

Except juggling a dozen theories at once isn't efficient at all.

"STARTING FROM MOST LIKELY TO LEAST LIKELY IN A FASHION THAT ALSO BENEFITS EFFICIENCY IN THE TIME IT WILL TAKE TO REACH A CONCLUSION. " Already covered your second statement. I find it funny how you claim multi-tasking eludes me when you are unable to imagine someone switching their workload over new evidence they found.

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#16 to #7 - angelusprimus (11/25/2015) [-]

Technically it could work.
Not on street level, no, but if Batman went high enough and took down crime bosses and cartels he could force them to transfer money from their secret accounts.
That's billions of dollars. One of the smaller cartels in Mexico got raided for 600.000.000$ few years ago, and that wasn't even all they had.

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#17 to #16 - pandasecret (11/25/2015) [-]

Is your avatar the character from the game Chibi Knights? I haven't seen that game in ages!

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#32 to #16 - Ruspanic (11/25/2015) [-]

I think there's enough gossip among Gotham's underworld that many people would know if Batman did something like this regularly. I think the Riddler and others have encountered Batman enough times to know robbing criminals would be out of character for him.

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#21 to #16 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

But he would still need someone to build his equipment, and so his influence is still required. Just as well, if what you said were the case, there would be far more people casually trying to take out Batman due to him being a drain on their funding.

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#23 to #21 - angelusprimus (11/25/2015) [-]

Well compared to Joker, Bane, Ras Al-Ghul and Killer Croc, normal gangbangers trying to kill him would be a relaxing night out. He single handedly took down Triads in Gotham over one weekend.
And with enough money its not that hard to find people to make stuff for you.
He could be working with geniuses who lost family to gang activity, who would be working mostly for revenge. He could BE a genius inventor.
Idea that he is funding his war on crime through criminal's money isn't too farfetched.

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#25 to #23 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

It isn't too far-fetched, but it's just improbable because of the time/effort that would take + the building of machines + his crime stopping activity. He's active every night and most days as far as I know, so building the machines himself would take a long, long time given their complexity, even if he WAS a genius, for example.

The "group effort" vein is the most likely, but given Batman's own tendency of paranoia, he's more likely to only give such reigns over when he is literally unable to do something himself. However, this is purely conjecture, as I have no idea HOW The Riddler would figure out Batman is paranoid unless he triggered his traps multiple times in advance and recognized the symptoms.

Just as well, while it's totally true that regular gangsters are just child's play for him, you would still see a LOT more of them go after the Batman. I mean, if you had the money and manpower, would YOU let the guy who kicked the hell out of you AND constantly steals from you get away with it?

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#26 to #7 - YllekNayr ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

The Riddler's entire character is idiocy.
He would get away with literally every crime if he didn't have a compulsion to help Batman thwart himself.
Honestly, the Riddler probably knows but doesn't care.

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#28 to #26 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

He would, but he has obsessive compulsive disorder and likes being challenged too much. There was a comic featuring them that I read once where Batman busts in on yet another of the Riddler's plots and the Riddler is actually happy to see him, telling him that he wanted this time to be different, when we broke out, no more crime, but when he committed crime, he didn't want to leave anymore riddles, yet did anyways. He couldn't stop himself. The comic ends with the Riddler willingly being taken away by Batman while telling him "I think I may actually need help".

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#72 to #28 - ronyx ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

wow post the comic pls

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#77 to #72 - captainfuckitall ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

Sorry old chap, I have no idea what the name was, I only remember seeing it.

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#31 to #28 - YllekNayr ONLINE (11/25/2015) [-]

He's not a great villain, is really what it boils down to

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#44 - anon (11/25/2015) [-]

D.A.V.E from the largely forgotten "The Batman" figures out his identity in one day by just scanning the Gotham census and ruling out anyone who wasn't rich as **** , physically fit, young enough, and a holding a suitable enough motivation for hating criminals. There's not many super rich fit young people in one city.

Really fun character.

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#82 to #44 - Gandalfthewhite (11/25/2015) [-]

What if he wasn't from gotham and just hides there somewhere? Or if he was a military funded guy

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#83 to #44 - sirfortytwo [OP](11/25/2015) [-]

That show was OP
DAVE was a brilliant villain (even if he appeared once)
This and BTAS are great in their own way

God I feel old

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#57 to #44 - stifflimb (11/25/2015) [-]

Batman could be sponsered though, still most heroes should be pretty easy to demask if you use logic on it, or at least in the DC universe, Marvel might be a little better at it, not much though.

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#37 - ijoinedlate (11/25/2015) [-]

**ijoinedlate used "*roll picture*"**
**ijoinedlate rolled image** the hero Gotham deserves and the president America deserves

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#62 to #37 - jrockjesse (11/25/2015) [-]

''the president america deserves'' yeah if you want hitler as president.

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#48 to #37 - xerxic (11/25/2015) [-]

Uhhh...I think that's a lamprey eel.
I mean, it's got teeth, but can it really survive in politics?

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#58 to #48 - stifflimb (11/25/2015) [-]

It was born a parasite, the life of a parasite has molded it forever, politicans simply adapted being parasites, they are pretenders, the true parasite will devour them.

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