The Actions of Israel
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#1
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anon (04/02/2015) [-]
if they cant look at truth they will gloss over facts for there news bits and brain wash
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Sethorein (04/18/2015) [-] Before watching the video, your comment oozes of condescension. The only good Jew is a Jew who believes the same things you believe. Not to mention you implicitly assume that only the minority of Jews are good, betraying your obvious antisemitism.
Her first point: I did all this research and people were mean to me! <- Makes me curious. There are two most likely reasons: either she forces people to account for uncomfortable truths or she is full of **** and it pisses people off. Let's see where she goes from here. Boy oh boy.... her voice is grating
"why are children being murdered in shelters" -> please provide the specific incident. I won't deny it happens, but every incident has its own context that can provide a rationale. Children are never a target, but children do get killed for many reasons. It's a warzone.
"the rant about how the warning isn't enough". Excuse me while no other military on the planet gives any warning before bombing. 5 minutes is 5 more minutes than they'd ever get in any other situation. In reality it's a misrepresentation. First they do the call. Then they fly-by with leaflets. Then they drop dummy rounds. In some cases, if there are far too many civilians to be justified "for the greater good" they straight up don't bomb the area. But she wouldn't mention that, no sirree, doesn't fit her "well researched" narrative.
"where do you expect them to flee to". Maybe if they build bomb shelters for civilians instead of tunnels for mediocre invasion attempts they might save more people...
"human shields". She deflects the atrocity of human shields by talking about how human shields don't account for all deaths. Who ******* cares? The use of human shields is abhorrent. You didn't discount the use of human shields by repeating that civilians die who aren't used as shields. Once again, I repeat that civilian murders are awful, but there are dozens of reason for this besides Israel being evil. Israel certainly is no saint, but this so far has been a completely waste of a video by an annoying woman spouting half truths...
"civilians deserved to die". Strawman. Retards make this argument. If someone makes that argument, smack 'em.
"didn't the conflict begin before Hamas was a thing"? Yeah... does that somehow nullify how horrible Hamas has been with regards to peace negotiations? If I recall, in 1993, Israel was going to return 98% of all disputed territory since 1968. The last 2% were to be negotiated in land swaps. In response, the Hamas and PLO declared an Intifada. The reasons for the conflict change over time, so before Hamas dedicated all of their resources to ******* up peace, believe me there were many other groups dedicated to ******* up peace.
"If Israel is so smart, why can't they just destroy rocket launchers without killing anyone". Because we don't live in a fairy magic-land where you can fight a war without casualties. Seriously, you considered this woman intelligent?
"how dare you question your homeland". Strawman. Smack 'em
"Israel propped up Hamas". Oh look Israel propped up Fatah too israelsituation.com/why-should-israel-help-fatah/. Isn't it funny how tabloids are full of **** ? "Well researched" my ass. But you know what, let's pretend these tabloids are right, Israel tries to help the succession of governments that don't want to **** over Israel at that particular moment. Generally those governments play nice until they're in power, then get corrupt and bite the hand that fed them. So the degeneracy of Hamas is blamed on Israel I suppose.
"In response to legitimate criticism of bias, I'm gonna strawman that all of your sources are biased". I repeat: you thought this woman was intelligent?
"Why can egypt blow up tunnels but not israel?"
Finally, something I can't rebut. I actually don't know why this is the case. If I were hardline zionist I'd say it's probably cause the Palestinians actually comply with Egyptian demands
I'm out of characters... but I think I made my point.
Her first point: I did all this research and people were mean to me! <- Makes me curious. There are two most likely reasons: either she forces people to account for uncomfortable truths or she is full of **** and it pisses people off. Let's see where she goes from here. Boy oh boy.... her voice is grating
"why are children being murdered in shelters" -> please provide the specific incident. I won't deny it happens, but every incident has its own context that can provide a rationale. Children are never a target, but children do get killed for many reasons. It's a warzone.
"the rant about how the warning isn't enough". Excuse me while no other military on the planet gives any warning before bombing. 5 minutes is 5 more minutes than they'd ever get in any other situation. In reality it's a misrepresentation. First they do the call. Then they fly-by with leaflets. Then they drop dummy rounds. In some cases, if there are far too many civilians to be justified "for the greater good" they straight up don't bomb the area. But she wouldn't mention that, no sirree, doesn't fit her "well researched" narrative.
"where do you expect them to flee to". Maybe if they build bomb shelters for civilians instead of tunnels for mediocre invasion attempts they might save more people...
"human shields". She deflects the atrocity of human shields by talking about how human shields don't account for all deaths. Who ******* cares? The use of human shields is abhorrent. You didn't discount the use of human shields by repeating that civilians die who aren't used as shields. Once again, I repeat that civilian murders are awful, but there are dozens of reason for this besides Israel being evil. Israel certainly is no saint, but this so far has been a completely waste of a video by an annoying woman spouting half truths...
"civilians deserved to die". Strawman. Retards make this argument. If someone makes that argument, smack 'em.
"didn't the conflict begin before Hamas was a thing"? Yeah... does that somehow nullify how horrible Hamas has been with regards to peace negotiations? If I recall, in 1993, Israel was going to return 98% of all disputed territory since 1968. The last 2% were to be negotiated in land swaps. In response, the Hamas and PLO declared an Intifada. The reasons for the conflict change over time, so before Hamas dedicated all of their resources to ******* up peace, believe me there were many other groups dedicated to ******* up peace.
"If Israel is so smart, why can't they just destroy rocket launchers without killing anyone". Because we don't live in a fairy magic-land where you can fight a war without casualties. Seriously, you considered this woman intelligent?
"how dare you question your homeland". Strawman. Smack 'em
"Israel propped up Hamas". Oh look Israel propped up Fatah too israelsituation.com/why-should-israel-help-fatah/. Isn't it funny how tabloids are full of **** ? "Well researched" my ass. But you know what, let's pretend these tabloids are right, Israel tries to help the succession of governments that don't want to **** over Israel at that particular moment. Generally those governments play nice until they're in power, then get corrupt and bite the hand that fed them. So the degeneracy of Hamas is blamed on Israel I suppose.
"In response to legitimate criticism of bias, I'm gonna strawman that all of your sources are biased". I repeat: you thought this woman was intelligent?
"Why can egypt blow up tunnels but not israel?"
Finally, something I can't rebut. I actually don't know why this is the case. If I were hardline zionist I'd say it's probably cause the Palestinians actually comply with Egyptian demands
I'm out of characters... but I think I made my point.
#5 to #4
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nanako [OP]ONLINE (04/18/2015) [-] Check out the youtube video description, i tried to paste it here but it's too long. Contains specifics and links on every incident and point raised.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDE4mRwfSQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLDE4mRwfSQ
#6 to #5
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Sethorein (04/18/2015) [-] IDF human shields
All of these are tabloids... but I suppose cbs is suitably uninvolved so I'll address their article. Suffice to say, the UN is kind of a joke at this point, if you'd like me to explain, I can, but I won't waste characters if I don't have to. I'll look at the UNICEF report, it's probably the most credible. I'll leave out all of the praise issued by UNICEF because I'm sure you don't want to hear it, but it's worth noting that the report was two sided in both praising and admonishing Israel's procedures.
If something can be taken from the UNICEF bit, it's that Israel treats Palestinians like dogs, no doubt. But yeah, the human shield allegations are less trustworthy since they come from ****** tabloids.
UN shelter/school bombings
Yeah, this is just a case of selective reporting. Palestinians misappropriate UN facilities and equipment for military purposes all the time. **** like using UN ambulances to transport soldiers is common practice. Do I even need to say that Israel bombed the school in its typical knee-jerk response to that school launching a salvo of rockets?
Myth of Human Shields
That's neither here nor there. Once again it's a newspaper, but at least it's Huff which can sometimes be trusted... but a muslim writer? Would you trust a pro-israel article written by a Jew? That article wasn't the most compelling thing in the world... Especially when it cited Reuters, who is notorious for editting news in order to defame Israel.
Israel propped up Hamas
Israel also propped up Fatah. I already addressed this.
Hamas Didn't Kidnap.
Not quite. Hamas did kidnap and kill those boys. The misinformation was that the bodies were not found. Those bodies were found on day one inside of Israeli territory. Bear with me while I present the hardline Israeli approach. This was a convenient crime for Israel. Israel used the kidnapping of the boys to validate preliminary excursions into Gaza and the West Bank in order to root out the tunnels they totally knew were being built (they weren't very quiet when they were digging under the settlements). It wasn't nice by any means, but that's the true story. Hamas kidnapped those boys, Israel misinformed people about the nature of their investigation in order to prevent a ****** invasion attempt.
Egypt destroyed tunnels
Like I said, this got me. I got no clue. Arab solidarity maybe? Maybe the tunnels were further into egypt and easier to blow up without requiring incursion into Gaza?
Israel blew up a power plant
Second verse same as the first, refer to my comment about the misuse of UN facilities for military purposes. The Military Wing of Hamas is retarded about locating their weapon's caches and Israel exploits this retardation to keep a grip on Gazan infrastructure.
Segregation in Israel
Oh look articles presenting a handful of assholes at a period of high tension (post kidnapping)! What legitimate sources! In reality, Israeli Arabs are treated exceptionally well in Israel. The closest thing to segregation is that there are Arab schools and Jewish schools, but the Arabs want that too. In real apartheid/segregation they would have no ability to vote, get proper medical care, or take public office. All things they can do. Also, not to deflect criticism, but Palestine is proudly Judenrein along with most of the Middle East. But it's only racist if Israel does it :^)
Israeli soldiers torture children
Reuters and Vice are **** . Vice less so, but Reuters are ******* awful. They legitimately doctor photos to put forward their own narratives.
I'm out of characters again so i can't break down the last three bits. What I'm trying to say is this is a mutual conflict where everyone is a cunt. Also, stop being an antisemite. That's totally r00d!
All of these are tabloids... but I suppose cbs is suitably uninvolved so I'll address their article. Suffice to say, the UN is kind of a joke at this point, if you'd like me to explain, I can, but I won't waste characters if I don't have to. I'll look at the UNICEF report, it's probably the most credible. I'll leave out all of the praise issued by UNICEF because I'm sure you don't want to hear it, but it's worth noting that the report was two sided in both praising and admonishing Israel's procedures.
If something can be taken from the UNICEF bit, it's that Israel treats Palestinians like dogs, no doubt. But yeah, the human shield allegations are less trustworthy since they come from ****** tabloids.
UN shelter/school bombings
Yeah, this is just a case of selective reporting. Palestinians misappropriate UN facilities and equipment for military purposes all the time. **** like using UN ambulances to transport soldiers is common practice. Do I even need to say that Israel bombed the school in its typical knee-jerk response to that school launching a salvo of rockets?
Myth of Human Shields
That's neither here nor there. Once again it's a newspaper, but at least it's Huff which can sometimes be trusted... but a muslim writer? Would you trust a pro-israel article written by a Jew? That article wasn't the most compelling thing in the world... Especially when it cited Reuters, who is notorious for editting news in order to defame Israel.
Israel propped up Hamas
Israel also propped up Fatah. I already addressed this.
Hamas Didn't Kidnap.
Not quite. Hamas did kidnap and kill those boys. The misinformation was that the bodies were not found. Those bodies were found on day one inside of Israeli territory. Bear with me while I present the hardline Israeli approach. This was a convenient crime for Israel. Israel used the kidnapping of the boys to validate preliminary excursions into Gaza and the West Bank in order to root out the tunnels they totally knew were being built (they weren't very quiet when they were digging under the settlements). It wasn't nice by any means, but that's the true story. Hamas kidnapped those boys, Israel misinformed people about the nature of their investigation in order to prevent a ****** invasion attempt.
Egypt destroyed tunnels
Like I said, this got me. I got no clue. Arab solidarity maybe? Maybe the tunnels were further into egypt and easier to blow up without requiring incursion into Gaza?
Israel blew up a power plant
Second verse same as the first, refer to my comment about the misuse of UN facilities for military purposes. The Military Wing of Hamas is retarded about locating their weapon's caches and Israel exploits this retardation to keep a grip on Gazan infrastructure.
Segregation in Israel
Oh look articles presenting a handful of assholes at a period of high tension (post kidnapping)! What legitimate sources! In reality, Israeli Arabs are treated exceptionally well in Israel. The closest thing to segregation is that there are Arab schools and Jewish schools, but the Arabs want that too. In real apartheid/segregation they would have no ability to vote, get proper medical care, or take public office. All things they can do. Also, not to deflect criticism, but Palestine is proudly Judenrein along with most of the Middle East. But it's only racist if Israel does it :^)
Israeli soldiers torture children
Reuters and Vice are **** . Vice less so, but Reuters are ******* awful. They legitimately doctor photos to put forward their own narratives.
I'm out of characters again so i can't break down the last three bits. What I'm trying to say is this is a mutual conflict where everyone is a cunt. Also, stop being an antisemite. That's totally r00d!
