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User avatar #1 - thefallenlord (11/18/2015) [+] (29 replies)
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I feel the urge to vomit... this might be the most horrific **** I've seen in a while.
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User avatar #11 - europe (11/18/2015) [-]
rip europe
You'll be missed
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User avatar #13 to #11 - trollmobile (11/18/2015) [-]
suicide is not the solution.
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#14 to #13 - europe (11/18/2015) [-]
Then it's time for the final solution
Waiting for Germany to snap again
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User avatar #16 to #14 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
watched the video
it's literally pure, shameless, lies and scaremongering.
they even used bloody ominous music.
seriously
they used the kinda music you use when the orcs are marching in movies.
it's so insincere it's cringy.

accepting all the refugees that WANT into europe (not even excluding all the ones that will be thrown out) and assuming every single one of them stays forever, none of them ever returning, the muslim population in europe will increase by a whole 1%.
that's not exactly biblical exodus kinda **** we're talking.

we're talking a 1% increase in europe's population size, assuming we take in every single one, and none of them ever leave, which by the way is statstically ridiculous. traditionally, a majority of the refugees from war-zones, especially the kind we see now (young men making up the majority of the refugees) return to their home countries.

so realistically, we're talking something along the lines of increasing the muslim population of Europe from 4% to maybe 4.5% at most.

a hilariously insignificant change.

the main issue is actually the nations that blatantly refuse to take in any refugees.
places like Poland which by the way is painfully hypocritical of them, since the polish people are one of the peoples that has benefitted the most from western european lax immigration laws, there being more polish people living in germany, than all middle-eastern nationalities combined right now (though that will change with the current refugee crisis) and the baltic states taking in absolutely no immigrants, putting an unreasonably high pressure on the ones that ARE willing to take in.

if all the european nations took in an equal %, each of them would see 1% more of their population being immigrants.

instead, we're seeing a majority of european nations doing absolutely nothing, and places like germany then having to take in 2.5% refugees (with their high population relative to other european countries, effectively taking the load that should've been spread across about 8-10 other nations, aswell as their own load), which still isn't a massive problem for germany, but WILL have short term economic consequences, AND if costs are cut and shortcuts taken, long-term problems aswell.
though i trust in germany's ability to handle that part of the issue, due to previous handeling of immigrants in terms of integration (as opposed to sweden and brittain, where they handle them in the worst possible way dumping them all in one place and then ignore the problems untill the damage has long-since been done )
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#62 to #16 - whathappenslive (11/19/2015) [-]
Well to be real man, im polish. My country was almost wiped off the map, now imagine through the citizens of my nation, a potential threat like the refugees trying to cover up my heritage. Look at Sweden. Poland has busted it's balls to preserve what we lost and with the most kind words i can say, we don't want anyone who will soil what's left.
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User avatar #194 to #62 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
poland is experiencing extreme economic struggles because literally all your able bodied workforce is fleeing your country to find work elsewhere.
rejecting young, work ready men wanting into your country to make a better life, is not exactly the way to fix that.
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User avatar #26 to #16 - qwertyuiqwer (11/19/2015) [-]
the video specifies that alot of them arent even refugees fleeing war.
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User avatar #28 to #26 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
correct, but like everything else in that video, it should be taken with a grain of salt.
the video is pure, unadulterated political propaganda.
it should still not be dismissed entierly, simply doubted, untill you've done other, independent research, preferrably from objective sources.

a large part of the refugees are indeed coming from for example Eritrea.
officially acknowledged as the country with the worst government to live under, in the world, excluding totalitarian dictatorships.

so technically a lot of them are just fleeing from desperate poverty, horrible opression, and constant starvation.
rather than actual acts of war.
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User avatar #30 to #28 - qwertyuiqwer (11/19/2015) [-]
alright then.
i heard somewhere that because of immigration, Swedens rape rate increased from something like 1% to 25%. now i admit, that doesn't sound completely accurate, but i hear it has increased dramatically. also, like it also sais in the video, i heard that 90% plus of the rapes are from imigrants/mislims.
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User avatar #31 to #30 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
sweden is a rather problematic country when it comes to immigration.
AND one of the most prominent problems middle-eastern immigrants bring with them, is their increased rape-rate.
counting that in % comparative to pre-immigration is however... skewered when it comes to the nordic countries in particular, due to the incredibly low rates already in those countries. (the nordic countries in general, are the least criminal countries in the world)
they have, as i s tated in my comment above (the long one) handled their immigration horribly poorly. (dumping them all in one place and then not caring about integrating them anymore, and such things)
it should however be noted, that even in sweden, whom welcome middle-eastern immigrants with open arms... 75% of their immigrants, are other europeans. especially eastern europeans.
and among them aswell, rape rates are far higher than with swedes themselves.

another thing to note is that rapes have a tendency to be very sporadic in quantity, much due to how there tends to be rape-sprees committed by single individuals (or small groups) rather than a different perpetrator for each crime.

a more concrete example: serial killers are rare, compared to one-time murderers. but serial rapists are far more common, than one-time rapists.

so while you may see 1 rape in 4 years, and then 50 rapes in 1 year, you'll probably have a steady stream of 8 murders a year.
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#112 to #31 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Except for the fact that the administration isn't confronting the rape gangs which perpetuate this, allowing them to groom children into rape circles, along with spreading the fundamentalist islamic ideals that dehumanize women and instating them into common law in the sectors in which they live.
The fact is that the migrants aren't being assimilated, and there's no way to assimilate a population of this size in the relatively small areas they are in, not to mention the fact that the overwhelming majority are moving straight past all of the countries which will accept them as citizens and moving to the countries which will supply them with free resources, all while disrespecting every country they go through.
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#32 to #31 - qwertyuiqwer (11/19/2015) [-]
alright then, you make a good argument.
i cant think of any thing else to say that wouldn't be deliberately biased so good luck to ya.
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User avatar #34 to #32 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
thank you, and good luck to you aswell.

just keep in mind, i am, like everyone else, a subject of personal bias.
the world is never black and white, and everyone that wants to convince you of that, just want you to support their own agenda.
if you want the raw, un-censored truth, the only way to get it, is to look up the raw statistics, and look up all of them.
statistics are easily skewered by agenda, they may give you one statistic and tell you "this is how it is", the statistic may be correct, but they will often have "forgotten" to mention another statistic that makes the one they gave you irrelevant to the subject.

truth takes work to find, if it comes with a headline, it comes with an agenda.
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#181 to #34 - noonesperfect (11/19/2015) [-]
**noonesperfect used "*roll picture*"**
**noonesperfect rolled image**Ah good ol fj, claiming everything that is not against the wave of refugees to be shameless propaganda, but gulping down something that seems to agree with their point of thinking, and then thumbing down someone who tries to be neutral. You didnt even support the wave of refugees, only condoning that people shouldnt believe all the "statistics" they see only because it agrees with them, and you get thumbed to hell. Im against this wave of refugees myself, but this kind of blatant racism is making me really tired with FJ..
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User avatar #187 to #181 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Any actuell existing reasons for why so many open racist ***** exist on fj, that are not even able to allow neutral standpoints that want to clear up biased informations?...

Because i haven´t found out the reason, for the almost silly amount of them in such high concentration.
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#190 to #187 - noonesperfect (11/19/2015) [-]
**noonesperfect used "*roll picture*"**
**noonesperfect rolled image**Dunno, many social rejects here who only get their news from fj, which takes most of its posts from 4chans /b/ and/pol/
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#203 to #181 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
this so much
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#61 to #28 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
As opposed to the tonnes and tonnes of propaganda in Europe saying this is good for us?
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User avatar #84 to #28 - newmapsofhell (11/19/2015) [-]
In this sea of hate, I'm going to have to side with the one guy (trollmobile) who noticed that the video is BS.

Look at the first image in the ******* video. Someone from /pol/ made the damn thing. That place is worse than encyclopedia dramatica when it comes to being a source of info.
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#145 to #84 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
But Dramatica is probably the best resource on the net for tracking net drama. There's basically nowhere else that logs information about pre-2010 internet wars, raids, lolcows and events as well. They insult everyone and are completely politically incorrect in every form, but they don't outright lie about events.
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User avatar #80 to #28 - ameercat (11/19/2015) [-]
you cant be serious, like holy **** , did you even watch the video?
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User avatar #196 to #80 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
yes
it was made as propaganda.
not to be taken as a source of any information.
it was made by /pol/ no less, a place widely known for fabricating lies to further an extremist xenophobic agenda.
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#35 to #16 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
this is the biggest kikery tbh
enjoy sitting in your comfy home with money, probably FAR away from the poor working class people who are forced to deal with these savages that their own governments dont want

you make the assumption that we ought to accept these people into our counties instead of helping them in camps near to where they are supposedly from, since clearly they will want to return, why not just allow them to stay nearby in safety? and if that's not possible, why not just relocate them to ukraine? I'm SURE they really want to stay there to escape the terrible danger they're in, and they aren't AT ALL concerned with achieving a higher stranded of life by leeching on the kind, all whilst knowing full well that they can outbreed the natives

i mean it's 2015 guys
2015
we should all be so accepting of these truly peaceful people
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User avatar #37 to #35 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
the neighbouring countries are full to the brim, most of the refugees ARE in camps in the areas they come form.
but the middle east has the same issue as europe.
some nations blatantly refuse to take any of the load.
Saudi arabia among them.
this means, that when the camps in for example Lebanon, are full, where do they go?
if they try to flee to the rich arabic nations that don't want them, they'll be forcefully stopped at the border at best. gunned down at worst.

so they go to europe, because that's the second closest place.
so they go through the nations that won't take them in, and to western europe, where people do take them in.

also, i'm lower working class in norway. your assumptions are ridiculous and irrelevant.
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#63 to #37 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
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#119 to #63 - wahut ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
well gee wiz lets see the top countries that have the most refugees!


how does it feel to just post **** without knowing what you're saying?
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User avatar #120 to #119 - confusedasian (11/19/2015) [-]
How many are staying there and not just waiting to move on to another country though?
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User avatar #156 to #120 - wahut ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
how would i know?
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User avatar #201 to #119 - formerfunchananon (11/19/2015) [-]
The refugees in Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt are all intended to be temporary and the majority are sustained by the west.

Suadi Arabia and Kuwait finally accepted refugees after months of not helping a single one. Unlike the west which didn't want to completely shut down the borders, it has always been a question of how many we should help (besides the ones we're already helping in the conflict area), not whether or not we should help at all.

UAE and Bahrain's numbers are respectively from their foreign temporary workforce and 3 years ago.

Qatar and Oman still refuses to take in refugees.

The refugees in any of these camps have an equal size of men, women and children, which is a sign that these are actually people and families merely trying to get away from ISIS' and Assad's slaughter. The refugees coming to Europe are overhvelmingly adult males - up to 75%, a sign that there are other reasons for crossing country after country other than getting to safety.

The situation for the western countries and middle eastern ones are very different.
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User avatar #250 to #201 - trollmobile (11/20/2015) [-]
just a note on the adult male thing:
family has enough resources to get one person to europe.

male dominated culture, women are dependant on fathers untill marriage, husbands after that.
so it has to be a man.
10 year old son won't make the journey
30 year old man has family to take care of
18 year old son, no family, fit to make the journey, perfect working age, will be able to get the money to help family.

generally, the elder son goes to europe, while the rest of the family goes to lenabon, jordan, turkey, etc.
because getting to europe is an expensive and perilous journey.
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#114 to #37 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Why should they be accepted anywhere? These are way too many people to accept as refugees, they could easily mount their own defense force and stand their ground, instead they're migrating into countries and expecting the countries they migrate to to become the new Muslim nation instead of showing any gratitude or trying to assimilate themselves.
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#209 to #37 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
ridiculous and irrelevant
implying even working class in norway isn't wealthy beyond most of even europe
implying that you don't probably live in a fairly affluent nice area

mate you haven't even once dealt with the fact that has to be dealt with first: are these people even refugees? because most are not from syria

also, are they compatible and willing with the vastly different cultures that they are burdening? do the vast majority of them appear to be skilled, appreciative, or even just respecting of the places they are going to? i really don't think so.

you talk a lot about how these people can be a boon, yet there are no jobs for the people in the countries that are taking them in for even their OWN people, so frankly how is it responsible or fair to damage the future of the nations that these people will require support from by creating more debt?

also you dodged pretty much every point, in addition, only two are full: lebenon and jordan--both very small countries. lebenon can't stop them from entering, though. also don't forget that these borders are meaningless, and the entire middle east was created very recently. lebenon is ****** , and was ****** before this happened. the best way is to designate an area for the eu to focus aid and have these people housed and defended. there are very few situations where going into the eu is actually a good idea
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User avatar #211 to #209 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
today i took a history exam as a privatist. (studying on your own, then showing up for an exam)
3 of the 7 people there were middle easterners and africans.
again, your "argument" is pure ************ and accusations with no basis in reality.
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User avatar #21 to #16 - selongb (11/19/2015) [-]
Bravo good sir, have a thumb on me.
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#22 to #16 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
NO YOURE A LYING ******* SACK OF ****
GET RAPED BY SAND *******
GET RAPED AND DIE
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#23 to #22 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
i must admit, you do present a very rational point.
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#65 to #23 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
>Europe is being invaded
>People are being jailed for speaking against it
>Women are being raped
>Children are being raped and murdered
>There is 0 news stations saying this invasion is a bad thing
>Everyone who disagrees is labeled a Nazi
>"Lel Europe is just xenophobic, dose silly europeens XD"
I'd say kill yourself, but you should just move to a sharia country. The effect would be the same.

Oh, and where are they coming from, again?
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#41 to #23 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
post arguments until they have nothing but insults.

Consider your point proven.
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User avatar #19 to #16 - weirdoo (11/19/2015) [-]
You're the reason the Paris attack happened
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User avatar #20 to #19 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
i never said there should be unchecked immigration.
i never said "don't search them at the borders"
i never said "let them in without passports"
i never advocated recklessness.
please stop using strawmen and ad hominem attacks.

it's about resource-prioritation.
europe has the resources to do this properly, but not the political will, because it costs votes, because the population is xenophobic as **** .
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#25 to #20 - weirdoo (11/19/2015) [-]
And that hate is rising for a good reason, people tend to hate when the govt. pushes their own agenda unto them, **** angela merkel the ******* cowardice cunt
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#27 to #25 - weirdoo (11/19/2015) [-]
Wrong webm but whatever
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User avatar #42 to #25 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
also, funny how you should post a nazi video about having been plundered
when the nazis literally funded the rebuilding of their nation, and especially military, through the plundering of the nearby nations.
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User avatar #212 to #42 - sephirothpwnz (11/19/2015) [-]
I like how facts get downthumbed these days
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#163 to #42 - weirdoo (11/19/2015) [-]
Israel plunders America by selling state secrets
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#146 to #20 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**Europe doesn't have to do **** . Europe should use its resources to support it's own populations. Crime is going up, unemployment is still huge, families going into poverty is rising. And now for some reason Europe has to support millions of refugees? Send those ************ to Siberia for all I care the Russians would love to have someone chopping some forests again since the gulags have had to shut down. Put those ************ to work in the mines. See how fast they run back to their **** hole desert when no free $$$ flowing in. Middle-East isn't Europe's problem it's the Middle-East's.
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#39 to #16 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Take it from someone who actually speaks arabic. the translation of the guy speaking in the beginning is intentionally faked. He never talks about any women.

The guy who did this knew that reality won't support his agenda.
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#186 to #16 - sylaz (11/19/2015) [-]
Glad to see im not the only one, seeing this video for what it really is.
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User avatar #185 to #16 - komandantmirkoo (11/19/2015) [-]
ahem. 1% THIS year. not 1% and not one person afterwards.

do you think they'll just stop coming on 1.1. 2016.?
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User avatar #184 to #16 - blackmageewizardt ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Proof Funnyjfaggats are to an really big part racistic idiots/ braindead farts that belief anything an Video tells them, like Rothdach Family beeing secretly the leader of the world.

This guy has actuelly well explained arguments, why that Video and the entire discussion in itself is absoluty stupid, gives even good facts... and he has -36 thumps... Not even mentioning the other cringe worthy comments that fly around here like flys...
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User avatar #143 to #16 - tinciatone ONLINE (11/19/2015) [-]
Baltic fag here, we take in immigrants, but my country is such a **** pit that no immigrants want to stay here, and they most probably will get beaten on street as well.
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#147 to #143 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Amazing keep up the good work!
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#106 to #16 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
german order police would kill jews even if they didn't want to because they felt that they couldn't leave the burden to their comrades. But what if they had said nein instead of jawohl?

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User avatar #103 to #16 - amnesiacpatient (11/19/2015) [-]
I just wanted to say thanks for giving your two cents. I agree with a few of your points and realize that a lot of this video was just propaganda and scare tactics. So good luck man.
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User avatar #75 to #16 - dierdred (11/19/2015) [-]
Foouuund the jewish Hadji faggot.
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#141 to #13 - miasaki (11/19/2015) [-]
One quick question, Ive been reading through this thread and I am noticing something is missing with your comments. Do you by any chance have sources on these claims you are making? I am taking a bit of interest in this matter and I am curious as to what/where or who you are getting your information from. Any links you may provide will be much appreciated.

Also, I find it pretty damn funny that everyone here is arguing with someone named "trollmobile" who just basically says "Its not that many, we'll be fine" with no source material and continue to take it seriously. Not to mention omitting integration with the culture and and re-stabilizing the individuals and re-purposing them to become useful members of society.

Again, thank you in advance for any information you may provide.
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User avatar #192 to #141 - trollmobile (11/19/2015) [-]
you can find most of the sources for the refugee statistics in the description of this video
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvOnXh3NN9w
and here you will find the information of immigrant populations in germany
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany
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#245 to #192 - miasaki (11/20/2015) [-]
Thank you for the info. I love watching "In a nutshell" on YouTube. They always have smooth videos with decent animations.

I do however see a couple of issues. Why would you go and waste so much time in one thread just repeating what the video said? The information did not differ and one comment with the video would have accomplished the same as several replies on your part with little bits and pieces. Also, that channel is way the hell in left field with most of their videos and believe that the world should help one another regardless of the situation. They constantly fail to take into account social and cultural differences, economical impact, and issues with the situation at hand (Non documented and next to no way to screen them, not to mention those that just wandered over the lax borders illegally). They mention that there are some issues but do not go any further to explain them, just saying that in the past immigrants tend to be better citizens than the natives and start buisnesses, but that is not the situation we are currently dealing with. Immigration is one thing, a large group seeking asylum is another. To be perfectly honest, neither this vid and its sources or the one in the description come close to fully recognizing the issues and current problems. They are very similar in the sense that they are propaganda that's leaning far to one side or the other, one attempting to instill fear in the uninformed and the other attempting to guilt the uninformed into action and support.

Saying that, I still enjoy watching them as its another perspective on current and previous issues from around the world and gives a decent amount if insight.

I believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want to believe and not get chastised or excluded from society for it (Unless of course, those beliefs are to lead to actions to harm others.), but opinions and in turn actions and beliefs are better formulated when the big picture is seen.

Again, thank you for the information and have a great day!
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User avatar #249 to #245 - trollmobile (11/20/2015) [-]
people are more likely to read, than to listen.
if i post a video, maybe 10 people actually click it and watch it.

if i post a comment, maybe 100 people read it.

personal experience.
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#107 to #13 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
and yet you're advocating for it
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#36 - thunderpony (11/19/2015) [-]
We need the Third Reich and we need it now
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#189 to #36 - sylaz (11/19/2015) [-]
Why? The Nazis were allied with the muslims, infact alot of soldiers were encouraged to join Islam. Pic related.
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#205 to #189 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
judentum is judaism in German... were they encouraged to convert to Judaism?
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User avatar #66 to #36 - crazyguyindahood (11/19/2015) [-]
*fourth
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User avatar #69 to #36 - kibbleking (11/19/2015) [-]
fourth*
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#46 - funnaycraptwo (11/19/2015) [-]
This isn't an exodus, it's an invasion.

The worst type of invasion we've ever seen.
The type where the power structure won't do anything to protect the people because the government has already been subverted and replaced by people from the invading countries, letting people from their native countries come en masse under the guise of 'equality.'
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User avatar #49 - ilikethisusername (11/19/2015) [-]
i'm muslim and i just don't know what to say about this.

i was an immigrant and i think immigration is bad....even though i am an immigrant myself. i came to Canada for good studies and i never harassed any Canadian. (instead i was harassed for being brown but that's another topic i guess).

and i see this and i know this is bad but i jsut don't know what to say. i mean....damn. this is horrible. these islamic countries man...they need to teach their people tolerance and some ******* respect.

i just dont know man. i'm scared for myself as well. i never bothered anyone in Canada. i never look for a fight. i've been beaten up a lot worse than you can see people being beaten up in those videos. but i just don't know which side to take. if you take europe's side and say immigration is bad because look at the crime rates...then yeah i would say you're right. and if you say some of those immigrants actually came to europe looking for a home and not to look for fight...i would say you're right.

i migrated to Canada because i hated Pakistan. i loved what Pakistan was made for...but they just went in the wrong direction.

i don't know man.
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#96 to #49 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Are you an immigrant or a "refugee"?

I have no problems with honest immigrants, my country is truly multicultural and i like it that way. But i am afraid for what i've seen in the video to happen here. I'm afraid they will hop over walls, spend my tax money on cigarettes, and hurt my loved ones.

Immigrants who come for schooling like you are acceptable, regardless if you stay or go back home. You contribute to the country and become canadian, or you go back home and improve your motherland.

The swath of people we see in the video have no respect, they have no intention of improving their home land or intergrating into whatever culture they find themselves in. They are a huge pack, and have the pack mentality of wrecking everything because they can't be held liable.

Individuals who come to Canada get screened, and they desire to make a life here and that is great. I'm sorry for any harassment you get, we're all humans and you shouldn't be treated like rabble.
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User avatar #98 to #96 - ilikethisusername (11/19/2015) [-]
i was an immigrant but now i am a Canadian citizen.

but i agree with you. i would hate to see this happen to Canada. it would be so horrible to watch. I just hope europe stays strong through this invasion.
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#92 to #49 - yunch (11/19/2015) [-]
I wouldn't buy into this video too much, dude.

Not only are a lot of these clips put into the video isolated cases, it's edited in a way to scare the viewer, meshing a compilation of hectic scenes with loud tense dubstep music to stimulate that it's one big take-over and that all refugees are hungry beasts out to steal and in no way victims.

If I had the time I'd do a compilation vid the few nationals knocking people out and rioting brutally after sports matches, dab it with crazy music and zooms to intensify it, but I doubt the majority of FJers would indulge in self reflection.

Unfortunately for them, they should accept the fact that their governments have played a huge part in starting this refugee crisis by meddling with Middle Eastern affairs for decades but expecting no repercussions what so ever.

I expect red thumbs, but this is my view as someone who believes there's more to life on Earth than just borders, money and keeping benefits to myself.

“Those who spend their money (in charity) in the night and in the day, secretly and openly, they will have their reward with their Lord, there is no fear over them nor will they grieve.” [Quran 2:274]

These are the values we should follow regardless of what people say. This Earth is for all of us and we should welcome anyone with open arms, even people who've wronged us. This life is short, and we need to act in a way that is appropriate to sustain it for everyone.
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User avatar #95 to #92 - ilikethisusername (11/19/2015) [-]
thanks man. knowing there are still people out there who have an open mind calms me down a lot actually.
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User avatar #101 to #95 - yunch (11/19/2015) [-]
It's this website specifically, man.

There are good people who just share funny pictures, but there are a lot of loud, angry individuals on this website who are emotionally unstable, so I tend to push aside a lot of these unrealistic fascist posts and think nothing of it.

This post is nothing. One even reached the front page and it was literally tons of users poking fun at the photo of the dead Syrian boy who was washed up at shore.

After that, I knew we're dealing with people who don't understand the sanctity of human life and care nothing for the akhira.

Had the boy been labeled 'American' or 'European' then their attitudes would change.

"O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames."
Quran 49:11

In the end we'll be judged not only for what we do, but what we say about others.
It's really tempting with the veil of the internet, especially, but we should know better.
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User avatar #88 to #49 - carlonord (11/19/2015) [-]
I'm Canadian, born and raised here in a small town in the middle of the bush, its about as Canadian as you can find. I moved to Toronto for college, and here I find myself a minority in my own country. I don't like it to be completely honest, I feel alienated and notice myself getting strange looks as I walk around. I don't hate blacks, I don't hate asians, I don't hate any race. I hate the people who make those races ***** .

I hate immigrants who show up and cause a ton of crap, wreck the place they arrive at and demand special treatment. I hate those who would demand that which they don't deserve. If you leave your home, and go somewhere new, especially to a different country, you'd best b on your best damn behaviour.

It'd be like me going to Japan and refusing to learn their language or bow a a greeting. Or like the man who refused to shake hands with his boss because she's a woman (Europe).

No one has a problem with immigrants or other cultures, provided they are humane, well mannered, and compatible with the culture of they place they arrive at. You don't get to show up and demand that the people of the land bend over for you, that's called invasion, and that's how wars start.

I'm sorry if **** happened to you due to your skin colour, I've actually had a bit of that happen to me, and I'm white and Canadian! (Mind you, it wasn't physical violence but I was threatened, and a bit of what was said was sanctioned by student conduct because I was "white and deserved it.")

Keep a strong chin, and do what you feel is best. I oppose the immigration of these people into any country that isn't of their own culture because they've shown that they cannot be trusted, and I am most certainly not looking forward to them arriving here like the government wants. Its an unpopular opinion (aside from this site) but I'll be damned before I let someone walk over me. I'd recommend you do the same.
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User avatar #94 to #88 - ilikethisusername (11/19/2015) [-]
thanks man. i totally agree with you. majority of these refugees are acting like barbarians....but what's mostly scaring me is that how people are actually buying into this.

i go on FJ to find my peace, away from all the ******** that's happening outside. i like the jokes here and the people here but i see people on FJ blaming islam and muslims all around the world. its jsut that i come to FJ for a good time, not to be threatened.

i'm totally against any barbaric actions these guys are taking.
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User avatar #97 to #94 - carlonord (11/19/2015) [-]
If I were you, I'd start learning how to block things out. I trust in my grandpa, and he says that the world is in for a bumpy ride coming soon. He said years ago that the middle east and muslims were gunna cause **** for Europe. And he always told me that Russia and Putin was going to stand back up eventually.

FJ is probably not going to be all fun and jokes, just like it hasn't been for the past couple years. I've just learned to let it pass over me, the world isn't what I want it to be, and I just kinda don't care. Read the news, absorb info, for consensus, and on to the next, preferably with some laughter in there.
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#180 to #97 - migueldecervantes (11/19/2015) [-]
You're a smart guy, carlonord. I like what you are saying, and the calm, defensive pessimism with which you say it.
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#105 to #49 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
You migrated with good intentions, that's what Europe expected to happen. Instead what happened is millions of these refugees come all at once, how could you possibly expect to consolidate a rather large portion of the population already there? There is so many of them it's insane. Many of them did have good intentions, but there's lower chances at a better life because of how many of them there are. There's not enough jobs, no homes for these people, and their culture is vastly different from Europe's culture. Since there is nothing for these traumatized war refugees to do, mostly physically fit males, they are going to stir up some trouble.

What WILL happen if this escalates is their culture will be the majority in due time, which will cause conflict. (Of course... that's common sense right?) There might be a revolution, which will probably mean terrorist groups becoming apart of that at some point, because you have to understand their main advantage in any war is to hide among the local populace. Which obviously means there is going to be a huge rise in terrorist attacks, meaning a rise of fear for Europeans. You have to realize the insane cultural change Europe is going to have to endure, and again what the old lady at the end said, Europe can't do it, because Europeans are weak in that nature. They don't want to lose the white culture that has been there for thousands of years. It's just a cultural war, nothing to do with race.

There's so much going on, I don't really think there's anything we could do. I live in the US, I've been to Europe many times and the last time I went it was so much different; especially France lol.

The Middle East used to be quite a hell of a place too, but because of so many different cultural viewpoints within their OWN people, pretty much every Arab country has been in some kind of war now. Mainly because the US gets involved in their political/civil wars because of how much ******* oil that place has.

Honestly, the truth hurts for people. Many of us are so comfortable with our own cultures and when change like this happens, we can't accept it. That's just how we are as human beings. Many people involve race and statistics, but it's just a war of culture, that's how it's been for thousands of years. We are witnessing some crazy **** happening lol.
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User avatar #159 - tealkangaroo (11/19/2015) [-]
trying to impose sharia law and not being respectful of the culture belonging to the country you're immigrating into should be dealt with deportation
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#230 to #159 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
they could start to live as they were under sharia law at least, would actually improve their behaviour
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#5 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
Thank you for posting this! it not only raises some valid points but provides some sources (if you can pause at the right time)
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User avatar #6 to #5 - petresko [OP](11/18/2015) [-]
The more people see this the better.
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#10 - europe (11/18/2015) [-]
Why do these leftist pricks hate their countries and Europe so much?
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#47 to #10 - kellorkleft (11/19/2015) [-]
Same reason right-wingers hate the humane principles democracy was founded on. The answer is they don't, it's just nonsense the other side labels them with because they disagree with fundamental issues.
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#138 to #47 - europe (11/19/2015) [-]
Because telling your citizens to suck it up and take in ******** of uneducated *********** is somehow "democratic"
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#142 to #138 - kellorkleft (11/19/2015) [-]
I did not mean this situation in particular, but general labels that parties put on each other. Not that it matters, because you're arguing the logical reasoning of something dumb like insinuating not being humane is anti democratic, while in the previous breath saying that believing in the collective well-being of everyone is supposed to be pure, seething anger toward the country they live in.
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User avatar #18 to #10 - weirdoo (11/19/2015) [-]
Mostly because they're communists (or red leaning)
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#51 to #18 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
how ******* stupid are you? do you know how communists treat immigrants? they dont they dont allow immigrants at all. Putin (a former KGB agent) said "In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Shari’ya Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians" communists HATE foreigners, you are an idiot
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#109 to #51 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
there is more than one kind of communist, western neomarxists or progressives are horrible fiends that combine race hate with the vanguard party concept.
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#124 to #109 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
republicans since the 50's have called anyone who opposes then a commie. even though communism calls for more government involvement and republicans want less govt involvement, the two couldnt be more alike, communists couldnt ive a **** about human rights, i mean read that quote i posted, its about the motherland, and those who were there first, well who industrialized first that is in america.
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User avatar #161 to #51 - weirdoo (11/19/2015) [-]
WESTERN commies, especially the ones in Sweden
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User avatar #74 - mattdoggy (11/19/2015) [-]
So i want to vote for Trump now
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User avatar #29 - xtian (11/19/2015) [-]
Alright, Germany, you've fought two brutal wars before. At least I'd look the other way if you made it a third...
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#56 to #29 - saintlich (11/19/2015) [-]
Third ones free
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User avatar #122 to #56 - needsauceadmisblan (11/19/2015) [-]
thats very american of you.
buy two get one free.
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#52 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
It is time.
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#33 - scruffyguy (11/19/2015) [-]
Can anyone explain why we should let in these "refugees"?
Do you have any argument other than "muh feels".
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#40 to #33 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
of course not lol
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User avatar #57 - ziirak (11/19/2015) [-]
Ok, since the main power of the internet is the ability to connect with people over long distances I want some euro-peps to tell us the truth. I'm never going to recognize ominis music montage as accurate information. I'm mainly curious because of the recent attack on France and the consistent complaints of immigrants. I want un-biases censuses for number, police reports for crime, and actual on the ground Europeans to shed some light. I am in America and have never been over seas so i cannot speak for the state aside from the UN having a lack of a spine in terms of response to terrorism cells from what I can gather. But this seems to go beyond terrorism in terms of problems so I recognize it is deeper than that.
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User avatar #59 to #57 - ziirak (11/19/2015) [-]
trollmobile are you europian? i see you posting here so im trying to judge your answers against my little knowlage on the subject. I'm skeptical to most everything initially so if you have anything listed above that would help me understand where to be in this debate.
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User avatar #123 to #59 - elpinguinloco (11/19/2015) [-]
I'm Belgian, here's my two cents.
There is a great deal of public outcry over the refugee crisis. Which is funny in a way, because where I live, almost no one has even seen one. It's a town with about 40k citizens, we provide shelter for about 600 refugees, mainly families with children. I wanted to be informed, so I went to this "refugee welcome", in which we helped show them some landmarks and stuff. Genuinely nice folks, stories they told made me feel sick to my stomach though. They went trough real hell to get here. Of course, I only spoke with maybe 6 of them, so that's not really a fair statistical sample, but still.
Mass media over here is largely dominated by the right wing ideologies, as the current government is right wing itself. There is a lot of talk about closing borders and military intervention, and that has some crowds riled up. Mainly the ones from lower education backgrounds, I have noticed. I work at a University, and that involves field work among the people. Most academics and students have a pretty clear analysis of the situation, whereas those who did not enjoy higher education are more likely to succumb to the easier rhetoric of the mass media.
All in all, here in Belgium the situation is quite manageable. There has been a lot of talk about Belgium being the center of terrorism in Europe, but there are good reasons to not involve the recent refugees in that. It mainly has to do with Belgium's deals with the Saudies. But that's another issue altogether.

I will add though, for honesty's sake, that some of my best friends are migrants from Rwanda and Palestine. So in that regard, I was biased going into these recent developments. Maybe I was more accepting than others would have been. I can't say for sure.

One more thing I would like to add is that on a political spectrum, I am not on the right. Right wing over here is very deeply involved with nationalism and wanting to break up the country, which is an idiotic idea according to all independent studies. So here in Belgium, I oppose the right wing, and that as well might attribute in more ways than one to my stance on the refugee crisis. But I feel it's only fair of me to mention this.
Oh, one more thing. I oppose the right wing methods in any form. The Paris attacks are a form of right wing violence, it is in the same line as for example the death squads of El Salvador, it has as much to do with Islam as the KKK has to do with Christianity. The enemy that Europe faces is not refugees, it is radical jihadist Salafism. We need to cut all ties to those financing them, which is for Belgium all ties with Israel, the Emirates, and mainly Saudi Arabia. We produce a ******** of weapons in FN, 80% of those go directly to that region. We have economic deals trough our harbor, financing salafis. Most muslim institutions in Belgium are owned by these same radical salafis. The Paris attacks were prepared in Belgium, by these same fundamentalists. Our government cancelled a lot of first-line care in the cities with predominant lower income and migrant citizens. We **** them over and then help out the Saudis. We are responsible, we need to take action.

But the refugees are the real victims of this mess we made. Paris doesn't even begin to compare, terrible and horrific as it was.

I suspect to get red thumbed for not hating on the refugees, but I don't care. Belgium is a very backwards place, even though I'm white, I am not a stranger to racism. My Rwandese friend has lived here for 20 years, yet every time we go out together he gets **** on. If FJ wants to hate on migrants, that's their prerogative. But the real problem is imperialism and oligarchs. IS wants us to close the borders. IS was built up by what we did. If we want to fight back, which we must, we need to change our game.

And **** radical religion, be it creationism, zionism or salafism. It's all bad.
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User avatar #126 to #123 - elpinguinloco (11/19/2015) [-]
Would like to add that back in 2009, we actually had a pretty good way to deal with the borders. I'm not for 100% open borders, but closing them won't fix anything. The situation is more complex than open vs close.
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User avatar #207 to #126 - ziirak (11/19/2015) [-]
That was probably hell to type, thank you for the input. I am certainly with you in that extremism needs to removed. Although I guess my personal standing is considered extreme as well so hopefully I don't ever have to bite the bullet on that. I didn't the immigration was as bad as it sounds. Also it sounds like the problem related to these is due to the internal extremists in the country. That seems a more worth cause of public notice. Idk if light was shed on the institutes of the radical muslims the majority good muslims should actually be pretty effective in helping locate them. Maybe, maybe not. I just feel like its a better way forward considering what you have brought to light.
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User avatar #90 to #59 - carlonord (11/19/2015) [-]
I have a friend in Belgium whom I asked about the situation. He doesn't seem to recognize it as a significant issue, but understands that it could possibly grow to be one soon. Mind you not a whole lot of the immigrants go to Belgium, so that might be why he fails to care.
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#200 to #57 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
Here in finland they complain about the food we serve them, telling us its unfit for humans. its the same quality food given in schools. The food might not be the best quality produce, but its great food.
They probably want fresh killed goat and spices we do not have in our cold country. In the video is actyally one of the complainers here in finland, also think hes not even a war refugee, just some lazy bum who came for the comfy tax payer leeching
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User avatar #54 - xdeathoreox (11/19/2015) [-]
Every day we decide to not to glass the middle east is a failure.
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#168 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
There are some refugees in my city, even though it is a small one. Just by looking at them you know they are some sort of gangsters who just feel to cocky and confident here. A friend of mine once watches a bunch of them just standing at some crowded place and just starring at women...god knows if they were about to rob or rape them. I'm worried the image of muslims will be damaged even in a relatively peaceful place like this. This young thugs need some education even at least in their religion and not just shout some arab paroles and feel superiour to the "infidels".

(28:77) انا الله لا يحب الفرحين...
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#148 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
I find a videos like this so funny when theya are talking about Sweden. They are talking like Sweden has been concoured by immigrants and it is dangerous to go outside if you are white. Immigrants are an minority in Sweden and Sweden is far from being overtaken.
Get your facts straight before start talking like you know what is going on in a country. But i guess some people are so bored and stupid that they need to be radical to feel supreme in some way.
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User avatar #132 - failtolawl (11/19/2015) [-]
This video has as much credibility as Blackfish.

Please ******* stop with the documentary ******** .
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#60 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F4wBeshTsw
Just gonna leave this here
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#108 to #60 - anon (11/19/2015) [-]
this video is literally just Muslim hate mongering based off of semantics he picked out of the Qumran. do the same with the christian bible and its almost exactly the same.
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#4 - killorpie (11/18/2015) [-]
**killorpie used "*roll picture*"**
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#7 to #4 - anon (11/18/2015) [-]
guineas are awesome but they get ugly as sin when they grow up
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User avatar #48 - anarchyamongants (11/19/2015) [-]
That's it, I'm moving to America
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User avatar #50 to #48 - ilikethisusername (11/19/2015) [-]
aren't refugees also migrating to America? by America i mean to say the whole North America.
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#53 to #50 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
right now its mostly south americans who just want to come here for work or to escape poverty, they aren't war refugees. But it is becoming a problem, its just no where near as bad as whats going on in Europe.
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User avatar #68 to #53 - kibbleking (11/19/2015) [-]
He's not talking about immigrants, he's talking about the actual refugees from the middle east.
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#70 to #68 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
there arent many of them comming to the USA
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User avatar #72 to #70 - ilikethisusername (11/19/2015) [-]
but they are coming to Canada though right? i mean by huge numbers. that's what i've heard.
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User avatar #100 to #72 - menqudoneix (11/19/2015) [-]
25, 000 and they haven't been accepted yet. comparatively, that's nothing. Unfortunately, we just elected a liberal government and the leader is a ******* retard with the same "it's 2015, multiculturalism, yeah!" attitude. If it ever comes to a revolt against the liberals, I can't wait to get my hands dirty.
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#86 to #72 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
theres a difference between these in europe and the ones that come here, i see muslims where i live but white people are the VAST majority
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User avatar #87 to #86 - ilikethisusername (11/19/2015) [-]
wait? so the immigrants coming to Canada are nicer?....i don't know what you mean by "theres a difference"

what difference?
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#91 to #87 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
these muslims come for economic reasons, better schools better health care better economy, the ones in eurpoe are there because of the "war" they want to breed us out where as SOME that come to north america are just like asians indians and others from different parts of the world, they come for education. Plus the USA wouldnt let what has happended in europe happen here, Germany "has" to because they are afraid of looking like nazi's. USA hasnt become nazi's yet, its gonna happen.
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User avatar #71 to #70 - kibbleking (11/19/2015) [-]
tell >>#50 that
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#89 to #71 - legendarysnarf (11/19/2015) [-]
if he reads these he will see what i said, we dont have a muslim problem we have a"hispanic" problem, but the hispanics dont want us dead they just want jobs so they can send money home THATS the issue, they aren't stimulating the economy by spending money here, they send it home
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User avatar #67 to #50 - kibbleking (11/19/2015) [-]
lol. Most of the governors have elected to not let any in. So now what you have is liberal states about to get ass raped by them and the republican states not.
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User avatar #117 to #50 - lech (11/19/2015) [-]
Congress Afraid Of Widows And Orphans Says Obama
Legendarysnarf and kibbleking. I summon you

Prepare to get culturally enriched :^)
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User avatar #206 to #117 - kibbleking (11/19/2015) [-]
My governor says

"No."
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