TFA alternate endings
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thechosentroll (01/07/2016) [-] Why does this seem so awkward?
Also, nice to see he learned from his fathers mistakes. He's got the high ground.
Also, nice to see he learned from his fathers mistakes. He's got the high ground.
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DeathclawRulez (01/08/2016) [-] Congratulations, You got the high ground, Now what's the next step of your master plan?
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jouten (01/07/2016) [-] Because this scene is absolutely meaningless. What's Luke supposed to do with the Lightsaber? It's his old one yes, but he made his own new one that feels much more like his "real one" because he crafted it himself and that is actually Anakin's old Lightsaber.
Also Rey and Luke have absolutely no connection to each other. At least none that was explained in this movie so she's just some stranger girl holding him his old Lightsaber into his face almost crying and nobody even knows why she looks like that.
To me it feels like an incredibly forced seen because WHY THE **** WOULD THEY SEND REY TO FIND LUKE. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HER. WHY DOESN'T LEIA ************** GO?
Seriously if this was Leia instead of Rey this scene would be so much better
Also Rey and Luke have absolutely no connection to each other. At least none that was explained in this movie so she's just some stranger girl holding him his old Lightsaber into his face almost crying and nobody even knows why she looks like that.
To me it feels like an incredibly forced seen because WHY THE **** WOULD THEY SEND REY TO FIND LUKE. THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW HER. WHY DOESN'T LEIA ************** GO?
Seriously if this was Leia instead of Rey this scene would be so much better
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sptnfouroneseven (01/07/2016) [-] So, the returning of a Knight's father's sword is meaningless... Okay.
Same basis. Also Rey has some sort of connection to the Skywalker line, obviously. Without going spoiler zone, the scene where she first finds the saber is proof, what connection? Unknown. But it's ******* there.
Same basis. Also Rey has some sort of connection to the Skywalker line, obviously. Without going spoiler zone, the scene where she first finds the saber is proof, what connection? Unknown. But it's ******* there.
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sptnfouroneseven (01/07/2016) [-] I think it makes sense because she was supposed to find him to train, obviously. I thought it was going to be in Episode 8 that she finds him but meh.
That and again, she's returning his father's lightsaber to him. A blade he wielded himself, it has meaning to -him- and that's why she's offering it up. Just like a young Knight bringing a family sword back to their original owner's. That's how I see it at least.
That and again, she's returning his father's lightsaber to him. A blade he wielded himself, it has meaning to -him- and that's why she's offering it up. Just like a young Knight bringing a family sword back to their original owner's. That's how I see it at least.
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jouten (01/07/2016) [-] Yeah of course she's supposed to train with him. We all knew that before we even watched the movie because there is noone else who could train her. So it feels even worse if it feels that the characters act this way because the script demands it so rather than actually having own character motivations that make sense in their story and that lead up to certain events that need to happen. There is no build up for Rey to go to Luke, not personal motivation, no reasoning, no character. She just does it because the movie script says so, so it really had no emotional impact on me. It felt more like a scene "that needed to happen" rather than a scene that happened as a result of the plot.
And even if Luke has reason to be emotional about his sword, he never went and searched for it. He didn't have any emotional attachment in the original trilogy. He just let it go and built a new one. Imagine if Luke got the blue lightsaber back in ROTJ. Would it have meant anything? No not at all. It would actually feel like a step back because his self crafted green light saber was a symbol of him becoming a full, true Jedi.
It's not like anyone ever gave it to him before he went full hermit mode and it's not like Maz bothered to give it to him so it didn't really have any meaning until Rey touched it and she then was spiritually connected to him because force.
And even if Luke has reason to be emotional about his sword, he never went and searched for it. He didn't have any emotional attachment in the original trilogy. He just let it go and built a new one. Imagine if Luke got the blue lightsaber back in ROTJ. Would it have meant anything? No not at all. It would actually feel like a step back because his self crafted green light saber was a symbol of him becoming a full, true Jedi.
It's not like anyone ever gave it to him before he went full hermit mode and it's not like Maz bothered to give it to him so it didn't really have any meaning until Rey touched it and she then was spiritually connected to him because force.
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ohemgeezus ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] >Also Rey and Luke have absolutely no connection to each other
Mighty big implication you have there
Mighty big implication you have there
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sptnfouroneseven (01/07/2016) [-] Can we talk about the bombing run not having Tie-bombers in it?
S A D B O I S
S A D B O I S
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ugoboom 
ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] when can we start unspoilering these star wars spoilers?
to be honest that ending was so ******* akward she just stood there and he just stood there, it's like Jar Jar Abrams thought it looked epic but it totally just looked retarded. Though I guess it was better than the throne room celebration I was expecting
to be honest that ending was so ******* akward she just stood there and he just stood there, it's like Jar Jar Abrams thought it looked epic but it totally just looked retarded. Though I guess it was better than the throne room celebration I was expecting
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angryninja (01/07/2016) [-] I loved that ending. I thing that Mark Hamill managed to deliver so much in those 10s he was on screen. (no sarcasm)
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innocentbabies ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-]
I really disliked how she just kind of taught herself to use the force and could suddenly take out the guy who had killed the new generation of jedi and driven Luke into hiding
I don't care how they justify it, it's still ********
I don't care how they justify it, it's still ********
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outdrewfortytwo (01/07/2016) [-] I mean, I've seen it 3 times now. I don't think anyone who really cares about star wars at this point hasn't seen it.
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outdrewfortytwo (01/08/2016) [-] Honestly I feel ya, I never go to teh theaters for teh same reason. But I made an exception for Star Wars...thrice times. lol
May a good version be uploaded soon!
May a good version be uploaded soon!
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ugoboom ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] I did, and only just saw it yesterday because I can't be bothered to watch movies in a packed house
but yeah since I'm a mod, I browse the user flag queue, which has been nothing but "han dies" for the last month but since this is a free speech website, we don't take those down and those comments remain in the flag queue, so...
but yeah since I'm a mod, I browse the user flag queue, which has been nothing but "han dies" for the last month but since this is a free speech website, we don't take those down and those comments remain in the flag queue, so...
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outdrewfortytwo (01/08/2016) [-] Sucks to get it spoiled. I went to teh pre-premiere so that there was no way to have it spoiled.
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ohemgeezus ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] You guys should be allowed to temp ban people that falsely flag stuff like that
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ohemgeezus ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] Pardon the French, but fudge the team, you don't get paid enough to take hits like that
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ohemgeezus ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] I don't see the stickys, the stickys see me. And by that I probably didn't see it because I probably clicked the x to get rid of his stickys, although I don't think it works
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ugoboom ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] me too. most underrated channel on youtube, gotta be.
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Their motto: "We believe that every movie is supposed to be a comedy, but sometimes they forget to put the jokes in, or remove them intentionally. It is our mission to attempt the reintegration of humor into films where we feel it should have been."
They have a good amount of content out now, all posted on their YouTube channel www.youtube.com/channel/UCp1xCZ4ODNM2OJuKoBrghDA, so you might want to go watch these videos there for max quality. But this wouldn't be a dope webm post without dope webms, so you can watch/download them from here too.
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thing is that admin set a 10 minute max length for webms so I gotta re-render them to 12:5 and under 10min segments, dunno how long that's gonna take
this is the text that'll go below the first webm, what do you think
I'm ******* serious. This will be the best 120+ minutes you'll ever spend in your ******* life, these guys are so god damn amazing at what they do. It's this beautiful combination of Dubbing, Editing, Foley work, Storywriting, all tied together in a comedic package that makes them leagues ahead of any other group I've ever seen. I guess that makes them like the JonTron of the film industry.
Their motto: "We believe that every movie is supposed to be a comedy, but sometimes they forget to put the jokes in, or remove them intentionally. It is our mission to attempt the reintegration of humor into films where we feel it should have been."
They have a good amount of content out now, all posted on their YouTube channel www.youtube.com/channel/UCp1xCZ4ODNM2OJuKoBrghDA, so you might want to go watch these videos there for max quality. But this wouldn't be a dope webm post without dope webms, so you can watch/download them from here too.
Above was Bane Outtakes 1
Below are Bane Outtakes 2: Holiday Edition
Star Wars minus Williams
Star Wars ep I: Jedi Party
Star Wars ep II: The Friend Zone
Star Wars ep III: Revenge of Middle Management
Star Wars ep IV: Lazer Moon Awakens
Matthew McConaughey, Existential Crisis
En ******* joy.
thing is that admin set a 10 minute max length for webms so I gotta re-render them to 12:5 and under 10min segments, dunno how long that's gonna take
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shyyguy (01/08/2016) [-] I'm no word expert, but reads pretty good. But wow, good luck rendering all that.
P.S., I've had bad luck finding a decent video editor. What do you use, or what would you recommend? I'm on a PC, also on a bit of a budget. My only purposes are really just for editing game footage together.
P.S., I've had bad luck finding a decent video editor. What do you use, or what would you recommend? I'm on a PC, also on a bit of a budget. My only purposes are really just for editing game footage together.
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lordknightmare ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] it's actually supposed to be a reference to how most of the Films end, with a voiceless/mostly voiceless sequence
Ep1 Big Naboo Parade
Ep2 Anakin n Panda Bear's Wedding
Ep3 Where babby luke n leia end up going
Ep4 the award ceremony
ep5 Luke getting his new hand
ep6 the big celebration of the Empire's defeat
Ep1 Big Naboo Parade
Ep2 Anakin n Panda Bear's Wedding
Ep3 Where babby luke n leia end up going
Ep4 the award ceremony
ep5 Luke getting his new hand
ep6 the big celebration of the Empire's defeat
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ironbeak (01/07/2016) [-] Well personally I think the way they set it up means that it was all Luke's fault that everything went to the dogs. Han dying etc. There might be a small chance that his character was meant to portray that guilt in that moment. I don't know. Would be silly if he didn't if you ask me, but now all my favs are dead ..at least they brought in a good looking actor.
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silentpaper (01/07/2016) [-]
but if they did that, then you would already know exactly what happens in the next movie- they go and find luke. with this ending, now that they have luke, it makes you wonder where they go from there the whole setup of tfa was that luke is missing. to conclude the story, they found luke, instead of having the main story thread extend into the next film and its always been tradition for star wars to end with 1-2 minutes of no dialog
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cubicalpayload (01/07/2016) [-] I thought it looked pretty sweet in 3D. Still awkward but better.
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cubicalpayload (01/07/2016) [-] It was out of this world the screen, so it looked cool.
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comradecommi (01/07/2016) [-]
In my opinion they should've just ended it with the Falcon blasting off into lightspeed to go find Luke, this whole panning shot of them standing there was kinda stupid and felt more like "Oh man we NEED to have Mark Hamil in this movie what do we do"
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artyomthebadass (01/07/2016) [-] Off on this long journey to find Yodo on Dagobah..oh wait found him really quickly....It's almost as if they knew where he was and could travel at light speed...oh wait
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langweilig (01/07/2016) [-] it wasnt as awkward as when kylo and rey had their light sabers locked and rey just closed her eyes to use the force and they went back and forth on each face like 6 times
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ugoboom ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] Agreed, I mean wtf why you close your ****** eyes what the **** is that gonna do for you
But really, that whole "Join me" ******** wasn't necessary. They probably just saw episode 5 and saw the Vader/Luke exchange and copied it over, but it doesn't ******* work with Rey. Rey has absolutely no relationship with that faggot unlike how Luke and Vader were son/father, so the possibility of Luke going to the dark side was totally possible. We know the from getgo that this girl isn't gonna do that, so why ******* bother. And so why would prissypants snapemcvader not just push her off the cliff? Vader didn't do that **** cause you know, he knew he could potentially sway his son. Compound all this with the fact that girl roy from challenge finders is a mary-sue-ass bitch and we have one horribly executed scene. Jesus christ dude.
I just watched this movie first time yesterday, and it just seems sureal to me right now, like I just had a strange dream or something. I mean, it wasn't nearly as bad as the prequels, but there was just so much stupid ******** that didn't needed to be there. Feels like too many outside sources like SJWs and Disney themselves ****** up some **** .
ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] But really, that whole "Join me" ******** wasn't necessary. They probably just saw episode 5 and saw the Vader/Luke exchange and copied it over, but it doesn't ******* work with Rey. Rey has absolutely no relationship with that faggot unlike how Luke and Vader were son/father, so the possibility of Luke going to the dark side was totally possible. We know the from getgo that this girl isn't gonna do that, so why ******* bother. And so why would prissypants snapemcvader not just push her off the cliff? Vader didn't do that **** cause you know, he knew he could potentially sway his son. Compound all this with the fact that girl roy from challenge finders is a mary-sue-ass bitch and we have one horribly executed scene. Jesus christ dude.
I just watched this movie first time yesterday, and it just seems sureal to me right now, like I just had a strange dream or something. I mean, it wasn't nearly as bad as the prequels, but there was just so much stupid ******** that didn't needed to be there. Feels like too many outside sources like SJWs and Disney themselves ****** up some **** .
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hektoroftroy (01/07/2016) [-] The theory is that Rey is either Luke's daughter or one of the children that was being trained by him before Kylo Ren turned and killed them all. She managed to escape/not die and was hidden on Jakku (similar to Luke being sent to Tattoine) and because she was so young she managed to suppress the memories.
So her and Kylo Ren might have some connection.
But I agree, that whole part of the fight was useless other than as a plot device to allow Rey to unlock more Mary Sue powers
So her and Kylo Ren might have some connection.
But I agree, that whole part of the fight was useless other than as a plot device to allow Rey to unlock more Mary Sue powers
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anon (01/07/2016) [-]
when Kenobi or Luke do what?
Kenobi was already a Jedi when we're first introduced to him and in the prequels he's a Jedi Padawan.
Luke starts his learning about the force in A New Hope and doesn't even have a lightsaber battle, starts training with Yoda In Empire has his first battle and loses then years later in Jedi after completing his training finally is able to go proper against Vader.
piss off with the whole female ******** , it's just bad character progression
Kenobi was already a Jedi when we're first introduced to him and in the prequels he's a Jedi Padawan.
Luke starts his learning about the force in A New Hope and doesn't even have a lightsaber battle, starts training with Yoda In Empire has his first battle and loses then years later in Jedi after completing his training finally is able to go proper against Vader.
piss off with the whole female ******** , it's just bad character progression
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greyblade (01/08/2016) [-]
actually, you've got it all the wrong way round.
If she'd force pushed kylo, that'd be fine. force push is a basic-ass technique, it's all power and no finesse, and so could be used effectively by someone with high potential and no training (like Rey) his inability to counter could be chocked up to his state at the time.
Mind trick, however, is *not* simple. it doesn't require much power, but it's a very delicate skill which almost always requires years of training in control (which Rey definitely doesn't have)
as for the fighting, she knows a bit about dirty fighting using a staff, but anyone with even a year or two of basic saber training should be able to leave her on her back or in pieces every time, regardless of power or injuries.
basically, no-one's arguing Rey's potential in the force. however, many of the abilities she pulls off are the more skill-based ones, which are reliant on practice and training that she doesn't have, rather than the power based ones, which would be reliant on the raw power she likely does.
If she'd force pushed kylo, that'd be fine. force push is a basic-ass technique, it's all power and no finesse, and so could be used effectively by someone with high potential and no training (like Rey) his inability to counter could be chocked up to his state at the time.
Mind trick, however, is *not* simple. it doesn't require much power, but it's a very delicate skill which almost always requires years of training in control (which Rey definitely doesn't have)
as for the fighting, she knows a bit about dirty fighting using a staff, but anyone with even a year or two of basic saber training should be able to leave her on her back or in pieces every time, regardless of power or injuries.
basically, no-one's arguing Rey's potential in the force. however, many of the abilities she pulls off are the more skill-based ones, which are reliant on practice and training that she doesn't have, rather than the power based ones, which would be reliant on the raw power she likely does.
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drinpa ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-]
So I'm foggy on the originals, but isn't one of the first times Luke used the saber at all, it was to deflect lasers from the drone thing, blindfolded, using the force? Feels like a cop out to just say 'the force' but if she's especially powerful with it, could it be used to partially anticipate Kylo's strikes, and act accordingly? That coupled with her skill in jujst staying alive/dirty staff fighting, and with his injury, could explain how she wasn't just cut in half right away?
Not sure about the mind trick thing though, no idea how all that rates on the complexity scale. I haven't read or seen much of the canon outside of the movies, it *looks* simple, and if that First Order trooper was especially weak minded, I don't know how much that would carry over to her being able to do it like she did.
Not sure about the mind trick thing though, no idea how all that rates on the complexity scale. I haven't read or seen much of the canon outside of the movies, it *looks* simple, and if that First Order trooper was especially weak minded, I don't know how much that would carry over to her being able to do it like she did.
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greyblade (01/08/2016) [-]
it's true that the force can give the user the ability to anticipate their enemy, but luke had it a lot easier. he was using the force against a simple droid who was shooting straight blaster bolts. Rey was up against Kylo, who also has the force, and so can anticipate her as easily (if not moreso, given his training) as she can him. as such, there's no advantage in this matchup the way there was in Luke vs Training Remote.
for mind trick, it's hard to say 100%, but all evidence I've seen points to it being a relatively high-skill ability. every use of it we see is by a trained Jedi:
- Qui Gon, a council-worthy Jedi Master
- Obi Wan, anywhere between a padawn on the verge of knighthood to an old master, possibly the second most powerful jedi in existance.
- Luke, after having spent nearly 4 years practicing his force skills and having been trained by various masters.
in fact, in the previous (legends) canon, the only untrained force sensitive to ever pull off a mind trick was Corran Horn, but his case was likely an exceptional one, as male jedi in the horn line had an unusual connection with the force - being unable to do simple psychokinetic abilities such as force push or pull, but also being unusually capable with illusionary and persuasive abilities.
so while it's not 100% impossible for an untrained force sensitive to use mind trick, it's highly, highly unlikely, as were a number of the skills Rey showed.
for mind trick, it's hard to say 100%, but all evidence I've seen points to it being a relatively high-skill ability. every use of it we see is by a trained Jedi:
- Qui Gon, a council-worthy Jedi Master
- Obi Wan, anywhere between a padawn on the verge of knighthood to an old master, possibly the second most powerful jedi in existance.
- Luke, after having spent nearly 4 years practicing his force skills and having been trained by various masters.
in fact, in the previous (legends) canon, the only untrained force sensitive to ever pull off a mind trick was Corran Horn, but his case was likely an exceptional one, as male jedi in the horn line had an unusual connection with the force - being unable to do simple psychokinetic abilities such as force push or pull, but also being unusually capable with illusionary and persuasive abilities.
so while it's not 100% impossible for an untrained force sensitive to use mind trick, it's highly, highly unlikely, as were a number of the skills Rey showed.
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hektoroftroy (01/07/2016) [-] At least there's like 90 Marvel movies coming out between now and Episode 8 so we can be distracted
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langweilig (01/07/2016) [-] youre not wrong its almost copy paste from episode 4. which i think is fine. jj played it safe i think the next couple will get better or a little crazy even. but yeah i think the only reason kylo was like hey join us is because he was scurred/ lil bitch. i think he going to be more awesome though. i think killing han really destroyed any chance of light left and hes just going to go full evil on us. which is fun! but right now yeah i dont get it hes just a whiny lil ********
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ugoboom ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] I mean they somehow picked a voice modulator for his hemlet that was not Darth Vader's but still was cool, but I think having him take his helmet off was a mistake.
>mfw he took it off during the interrogation
What would probably have been perfect is if the only time he took it off was the killing han solo scene, and just that one alone. Then back on for the rest of the franchise.
If he's supposed to be the bad guy for the rest of the series, they have ****** up pretty big so far.
AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT SUPREME LEADER ASSHOLE WHO WAS OUT OF PLACE AS ****
This movie man, it has enraged my autism
ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] >mfw he took it off during the interrogation
What would probably have been perfect is if the only time he took it off was the killing han solo scene, and just that one alone. Then back on for the rest of the franchise.
If he's supposed to be the bad guy for the rest of the series, they have ****** up pretty big so far.
AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THAT SUPREME LEADER ASSHOLE WHO WAS OUT OF PLACE AS ****
This movie man, it has enraged my autism
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langweilig (01/07/2016) [-] hahahaha yes dude i agree why did he take the helmet off. he immediately went from badass to like uh ok hes just a whiny lil rat faced child hahahaha
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ugoboom ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] Yeah I mean the movie was way ******* better than I initially expected when I heard the announcement 2 years ago. Definitely beats out episode 1.
It was 6.5/10 good, but it definitely had the potential to be 8/10 great, and that's why I'm so mad.
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ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] It was 6.5/10 good, but it definitely had the potential to be 8/10 great, and that's why I'm so mad.
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kaimera (01/08/2016) [-]
Ok, i keep hearing people call the force awakens an "SJW movie"
Can you tell me what exactly makes it this?
Also, something i wanted to say about her lightsaber skills, just to put it out there. Compared to the fights in the prequels (aka, the only good parts) neither rei or kylo are very good. In fact i would say they are adequate at best.
Rei isnt used to fighting with a lightsaber, but has some experience with a staff. and kylo is all power and rage, but no finesse. Add to that the fact that kylo is wounded, terrified by rei, and is starting to panic due to the ******* planet breaking, and his performance was severely hampered. Also, he isnt fully trained, so he is still fairly new to this compared to other force users we have seen.
Can you tell me what exactly makes it this?
Also, something i wanted to say about her lightsaber skills, just to put it out there. Compared to the fights in the prequels (aka, the only good parts) neither rei or kylo are very good. In fact i would say they are adequate at best.
Rei isnt used to fighting with a lightsaber, but has some experience with a staff. and kylo is all power and rage, but no finesse. Add to that the fact that kylo is wounded, terrified by rei, and is starting to panic due to the ******* planet breaking, and his performance was severely hampered. Also, he isnt fully trained, so he is still fairly new to this compared to other force users we have seen.
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kaimera (01/08/2016) [-]
But she wasn't proficient at everything.
She is barely adequate with a lightsaber, the only reason ren lost to her is cause of what i said in my last comment. Wounded+scared(knows rei has more potential than him)+panicking (planet is fukin breaking)+not fully trained=less than amazing performance.
She is decent at salvaging. But not good enough to be on her bosses good side. If she brought him all the best stuff he would reward her, thus giving her incentive to get more good **** .
She is naturally gifted with flying, though her salvaging experience helped her a bit since she knows how the ships work from dismantling them.
She is a talented mechanic, again due to her salvaging experience.
She knows several different languages due to growing up in a trade hub.
She is horrendous with a blaster, remember her first fight with kylo ren? Out of like 15 shots he only had to block three, cause 12 shots missed him by several feet.
As for her use of the force? She tricked a brainwashed dumbass, grabbed a thing before someone else could grab it, and calmed down/focused a little.
She is not proficient with everything, not by a long shot.
She is barely adequate with a lightsaber, the only reason ren lost to her is cause of what i said in my last comment. Wounded+scared(knows rei has more potential than him)+panicking (planet is fukin breaking)+not fully trained=less than amazing performance.
She is decent at salvaging. But not good enough to be on her bosses good side. If she brought him all the best stuff he would reward her, thus giving her incentive to get more good **** .
She is naturally gifted with flying, though her salvaging experience helped her a bit since she knows how the ships work from dismantling them.
She is a talented mechanic, again due to her salvaging experience.
She knows several different languages due to growing up in a trade hub.
She is horrendous with a blaster, remember her first fight with kylo ren? Out of like 15 shots he only had to block three, cause 12 shots missed him by several feet.
As for her use of the force? She tricked a brainwashed dumbass, grabbed a thing before someone else could grab it, and calmed down/focused a little.
She is not proficient with everything, not by a long shot.
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toaofmemory ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] JJ Abrams IS an SJW, unfortunately. That's why parts of it sucked.
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putincanmeltcrimea (01/07/2016) [-] finally i see some criticism. when i saw it and complained people instantly downthumbed me to hell because "it was perfect" "it all made sense" "best sw movie"
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putincanmeltcrimea (01/07/2016) [-] thats because hypetrain is finally leaving the station. i complained about it couple of days after the release and everyone was still fapping on spinning trooper and **** so when i suggested that its a copy of epIV i got thumbed down two levels
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putincanmeltcrimea (01/07/2016) [-] no, more along the lines: "this **** doesnt make sense, not being capable of admitting a mistake, this is straight up stupid etc." im not saying the movie was terrible. it just was not nearly as good as people claimed it was.
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kaimera (01/08/2016) [-]
Its a "copy" of a new hope because they took the safest route this time. They rehashed what was good so they could show us they could do a better job than george lucas, and so they could wash away the bad taste the prequels left.
Now that they showed they aremt complete **** ups they will move on to something new.
(Though no matter what they doo bitchy extended universe fanboys will yell at them for copying something. So much **** has already been done with star wars that its unavoidable at this point.)
Now that they showed they aremt complete **** ups they will move on to something new.
(Though no matter what they doo bitchy extended universe fanboys will yell at them for copying something. So much **** has already been done with star wars that its unavoidable at this point.)
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putincanmeltcrimea (01/08/2016) [-] i know they did it because they anted to take the safe route. they did exactly what lucas did with epVI. "you like the death star? im gonna give you the death star! just bigger!" but i dont really see how that is helping. when tryhard fans want it to be in line with the original triology they mean the way the story is told, the dialogue, fights, drama, not the exact copy of the script. that is just retarded. i mean i dont know **** about EU and i went in to enjoy the movie not hate, but it was just disappointing in so many ways. for me at least
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kaimera (01/08/2016) [-]
As i said, they went the safe route THIS TIME.
They just wanted to show that they weren't pants on head retarded like lucas.
Now that they have done that, now that they proved its not gonna be the prequels all over again, they are going to change the story.
After george shat all over the franchise, a movie like this was necessary. Notice how every reference, every little tie in and in joke was from 4 5 and 6. And how there was a distinct lack of gungans, pointless cgi, and not a single line about how someone hated sand?
They are just trying to reassure the fans, and let them know that none of that **** is gonna fly any more.
They just wanted to show that they weren't pants on head retarded like lucas.
Now that they have done that, now that they proved its not gonna be the prequels all over again, they are going to change the story.
After george shat all over the franchise, a movie like this was necessary. Notice how every reference, every little tie in and in joke was from 4 5 and 6. And how there was a distinct lack of gungans, pointless cgi, and not a single line about how someone hated sand?
They are just trying to reassure the fans, and let them know that none of that **** is gonna fly any more.
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putincanmeltcrimea (01/08/2016) [-] yeah but they still manage to cram in some stupid dialogues and fights that make no sense and plot thats so anticlimatic it hurts. imho the things that i thought are gonna be bad, like discount r2d2, sjw friendly lead characters, punchline jokes etc. were surprisingly good but the things that i expected to be perfected by now, like the plot, old characters, villain etc. were just bad. like at some points i admired the way they made the movie and at some i was just staring at my friends and at the screen like what the **** how can someone make something so dumb.
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putincanmeltcrimea (01/07/2016) [-] its more about how people are so hateful towards everyone not sharing their opinion or giving arguments. last time i got so much **** was when i said transformers were a crap series only getting worse by each film
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theinvisibletheift (01/08/2016) [-]
That ******* fight though. His ******* dicksaber was so awkward and ungainly. it was literally her trying to stab him, him slapping the sword away, then awkwardly swinging while trying to not hit himself. And that's besides the ******* "I'm a ******* virtuoso at everything I try" thing that Rey had going on.
Rey is one of the most poorly written characters I've ever seen.
Rey is one of the most poorly written characters I've ever seen.
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langweilig (01/08/2016) [-] but shes attractive so its ok. also i give kylo some slack because he ******* got destroyed by chewie
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theinvisibletheift (01/08/2016) [-]
I agree that Kylo was wounded and was likely not as effective as he could have been. However, he was also beating Rey despite being wounded. Up until she closed her eyes and heard the word force. Then she ******* destroyed him. Which should not have happened. I understand the desperate times thing, but honestly?
Other than that, the initial failure of the New Jedi Order through Kylo is something pretty believable. In the expanded universe, something similar almost happened on Yavin IV. The ghost of Exar Kun almost destroyed the NJO with Kyp Durron and the Sun Crusher. Anyway, expanded universe aside (may it rest in the force), seduced by a master, Kylo upholds the rule of two and has an interesting storyline. He actively rejects the light, seeking to be corrupted. This is an interesting plot point, because normally the dark seeks a jedi out. To have a goal of corruption makes him interesting because he is a departure from the norm. He recognizes the light inside him, and while he is angry and lost as most Dark Jedi are, he seeks to destroy the light. Not with the goal of making good fall, but to make himself pure.
Now on to Rey.
People use Luke as an example of a Gary Stu to counter Rey's Mary Sue. A few problems with that: Obi Wan taught Luke some rudimentary force techniques, such as sensing a target. Nothing crazy, but he could block a blaster bolt, and ultimately (with Ben's guidance) used the same technique to get the timing down for the targeting of his proton torpedoes and thus helped coin the term TRD (trench run disease). A very simple force enhanced timing technique was used. Nothing more. He was not a God who succeeded in everything he tried. Even with Yoda's instruction, he was hasty and ****** up by facing Vader at Bespin. Between Ep.V and Ep.VI , there are a few years in which he discovered a lot of hidden Jedi lore, including a few holocrons, that were able to further instruct him. The Jedi Temple on Coruscant was raided, but some of the librarians were able to smuggle them out. They held not only teachings, but entire simulations of the Jedi counsel. These simulations, while obviously not the real thing, held the personages of the masters of the counsel, among other Jedi Masters, and were able to instruct him in the ways of the force and he learned enough to lead a desperate battle against the Emperor that ended at Endor. Through his training, he had the strength of will to succeed.
A poor scavenger slave is somehow miraculously able to pilot a ship she thought was scrap through the wreckage of star destroyers to evade TIE's, even pulling a ******* mid air stall that let a disabled, locked, stationary gun blow it to **** . An amazing sequence, don't get me wrong (the ******* aerial sequences blew my goddamn mind), but completely ******* unbelievable. I understand her knowledge of mechanics from scavenging that let them not die from coolant poisoning, but come the **** on. Pulling **** apart and flying **** are two very different things. She wasn't even a service tech who would move them around.
Finn, on the other hand, I thought was done somewhat well. He came from a developed remnant of the crumbled Empire that had turned into a second Empire calling itself the First Order. He was a stolen child who obviously didn't have a lasting brainwash. He was able to recognize wrong and fight it within himself, but lacked the strength to fight it in others. He found something worth protecting in Rey (yay friendship), and did what he could to protect his only friend, but until the assault on the Starkiller he was terrified of the death he saw inflicted on and had done to others and sought to run from it. When he realized that to fight death was to make death itself flee, he found a noble cause to fight for. Not the best character in the world, but it's believable.
But Rey? **** Rey.
That turned into a bit more of a rant than I expected.
Oh. And CPT. Phasma. That character had no goddamn point. At all.
Other than that, the initial failure of the New Jedi Order through Kylo is something pretty believable. In the expanded universe, something similar almost happened on Yavin IV. The ghost of Exar Kun almost destroyed the NJO with Kyp Durron and the Sun Crusher. Anyway, expanded universe aside (may it rest in the force), seduced by a master, Kylo upholds the rule of two and has an interesting storyline. He actively rejects the light, seeking to be corrupted. This is an interesting plot point, because normally the dark seeks a jedi out. To have a goal of corruption makes him interesting because he is a departure from the norm. He recognizes the light inside him, and while he is angry and lost as most Dark Jedi are, he seeks to destroy the light. Not with the goal of making good fall, but to make himself pure.
Now on to Rey.
People use Luke as an example of a Gary Stu to counter Rey's Mary Sue. A few problems with that: Obi Wan taught Luke some rudimentary force techniques, such as sensing a target. Nothing crazy, but he could block a blaster bolt, and ultimately (with Ben's guidance) used the same technique to get the timing down for the targeting of his proton torpedoes and thus helped coin the term TRD (trench run disease). A very simple force enhanced timing technique was used. Nothing more. He was not a God who succeeded in everything he tried. Even with Yoda's instruction, he was hasty and ****** up by facing Vader at Bespin. Between Ep.V and Ep.VI , there are a few years in which he discovered a lot of hidden Jedi lore, including a few holocrons, that were able to further instruct him. The Jedi Temple on Coruscant was raided, but some of the librarians were able to smuggle them out. They held not only teachings, but entire simulations of the Jedi counsel. These simulations, while obviously not the real thing, held the personages of the masters of the counsel, among other Jedi Masters, and were able to instruct him in the ways of the force and he learned enough to lead a desperate battle against the Emperor that ended at Endor. Through his training, he had the strength of will to succeed.
A poor scavenger slave is somehow miraculously able to pilot a ship she thought was scrap through the wreckage of star destroyers to evade TIE's, even pulling a ******* mid air stall that let a disabled, locked, stationary gun blow it to **** . An amazing sequence, don't get me wrong (the ******* aerial sequences blew my goddamn mind), but completely ******* unbelievable. I understand her knowledge of mechanics from scavenging that let them not die from coolant poisoning, but come the **** on. Pulling **** apart and flying **** are two very different things. She wasn't even a service tech who would move them around.
Finn, on the other hand, I thought was done somewhat well. He came from a developed remnant of the crumbled Empire that had turned into a second Empire calling itself the First Order. He was a stolen child who obviously didn't have a lasting brainwash. He was able to recognize wrong and fight it within himself, but lacked the strength to fight it in others. He found something worth protecting in Rey (yay friendship), and did what he could to protect his only friend, but until the assault on the Starkiller he was terrified of the death he saw inflicted on and had done to others and sought to run from it. When he realized that to fight death was to make death itself flee, he found a noble cause to fight for. Not the best character in the world, but it's believable.
But Rey? **** Rey.
That turned into a bit more of a rant than I expected.
Oh. And CPT. Phasma. That character had no goddamn point. At all.
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thematthew ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] for anyone who doesn't want it spoiled for them leave the content now, anon is being a cunt below
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thematthew ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] it's not going to help by replying to the content or the anon, it's better to reply to the guy with the top comment so some people are guaranteed to see it.
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billycakes (01/08/2016) [-] I actually really liked that ending, I felt it worked well, it built that both characters knew what was going on.
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fffffffuuuuuuuuuuu (01/07/2016) [-] Kylo Ren taking off his mask killed the character for me
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Tusura (01/08/2016) [-] My friend in Northern Vancouver didn't have anything spoiled until yesterday.
They get it in theaters on the 15th.
He still hasn't had the major spoiler though, but they've been kind of anti-social on the internet the past few weeks.
Like I said though. The 21st I believe will be the day when almost everyone globally has seen it. Spoilers welcome after that.
They get it in theaters on the 15th.
He still hasn't had the major spoiler though, but they've been kind of anti-social on the internet the past few weeks.
Like I said though. The 21st I believe will be the day when almost everyone globally has seen it. Spoilers welcome after that.
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altairibnlaahad (01/08/2016) [-] It wouldn't have been so bad if it didn't last so long, but it was better than the celebration we were probably expecting, I agree.
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Petroleum ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] I agree completely, THEY SHOULD HAVE SAID SOMETHING, ANYTHING, LITERALLY ANYTHING AT ALL, THEY COULD'VE HAD REY SAY "HERE, TAKE IT", OR HAVE LUKE GREET HER, ANYTHING TO MAKE THE ********** LESS AWKWARD.
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krazzykyle (01/07/2016) [-] I was waiting for Luke to Force call the saber to him and turn it on with swag. Then they just stared at each other for 30 seconds.
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mrwalkerfour (01/07/2016) [-] its a tradition all star wars movies end with a minute or 2 of no dialogue. no matter what
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artyomthebadass (01/07/2016) [-] Grabs it with the force, turns it on and swings it..cuts off his arm by mistake ROLL CREDITS (I should never direct a serious movie)
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captchakid (01/08/2016) [-] It's what happened in the book. The movie was based on the book.
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captinchikin (01/07/2016) [-] I thought it was pretty good minus the helicopter/drone shot, I think they should have cut on Luke's face. Luke saying something would have ruined it, Rey saying something would have ruined it...that's just my opinion though
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drtrousersnake (01/07/2016) [-] well they alluded to him being her father/father figure the entire movie
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boxdweller (01/07/2016) [-] It was great. The way Rey looked at him said "I need you. The galaxy needs you. Come back." and the look Luke gave was one of regret, like no matter how far he runs his past comes back to haunt him.
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zazquatch (01/07/2016) [-]
Despite being a huge star wars fan, I was also in no rush to see the movie and when I saw it, it din't exceed my expectations like everyone said but it wasn't horrible either. Still prefer the old ones for some reason, maybe nostalgia but I didn't find TFA really that exciting.
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anon (01/07/2016) [-]
Han dies, the black dude gets seriously injured, leia gets blown up. rylo ken cuts his wrist while listening to crawling by linkin park. the faggot with the stick that fights the black dude dies. the grey jedi force is completely wiped out. after world 1-8 toad tells you your princess is in another castle. in Call of duty 4:Modern Warfare Gaz get executed. Flowey was actually asriel durmurr. In the end of castle crashers the orange princess is actually a clown. Snape kills dumbledore. Darth vader is lukes father. Booker is actually father comstock. Jesus dies at the end of the bible. you now no longer have to go see die hard in theaters.
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alexdevlin (01/08/2016) [-] Why is he getting red thumbs? I thought his little rant was hilarious. It's like listening to a 12 year old complain about life. Hiylarious
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obviousxplains (01/07/2016) [-] >rey is lukes daughter
>his first word to her is "i am your father"
>they wanted to keep this for the second movie so they cut if off right then
>his first word to her is "i am your father"
>they wanted to keep this for the second movie so they cut if off right then
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gedoushinken (01/07/2016) [-] Bottom two: Luke and Obi Wan's lightsabers.
I thought those two were almost identical.
I thought those two were almost identical.
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backupclover (01/07/2016) [-] It used saber resistant material too, nearly impervious to lightsaber blades.
I love his saber.
I love his saber.
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gedoushinken (01/07/2016) [-] I always wondered where did Sidious kept his lightsaber during the Original Trilogy.
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jdizzleoffthehizzl ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-]
He kept them in the Sith statues he had brought with him to the Chancellor's office when he first got elected so as to get them past the weapons scanner, so by the time of his duel in Ep. III he knew **** was gonna be popping off soon and had it ready to go
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altairibnlaahad (01/08/2016) [-] 1. Dooku
2. Sidious
3. Mace Windu
4. Kit Fisto
5. Ki-Adi-Mundi
6. Qui-Gon Jinn
7. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episode I)
8. Anakin/Luke Skywalker
9. Vader
9. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episodes III-IV)
10. Luke Skywalker
2. Sidious
3. Mace Windu
4. Kit Fisto
5. Ki-Adi-Mundi
6. Qui-Gon Jinn
7. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episode I)
8. Anakin/Luke Skywalker
9. Vader
9. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Episodes III-IV)
10. Luke Skywalker
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altairibnlaahad (01/08/2016) [-] Yes, and he lost his first one when Maul kicked it down the shaft, second one he lost when captured in II, then the temp one they threw to him was destroyed by Dooku.
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guitarassassin (01/07/2016) [-] Just look at Anakin's and Vaders and how similar they look.
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gedoushinken (01/07/2016) [-] It's almost like they are constructed by the same person.
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xxhunterxx (01/07/2016) [-] What if Anakin and Vader are the same person? Just speculation
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gedoushinken (01/07/2016) [-] Impossible, Ben Kenobi said Vader betrayed and murdered Anakin. I mean how can someone betray and kill themselves and still remain alive?
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gedoushinken (01/07/2016) [-] If he was truly lying to protect Luke, he would've said Anakin died by natural causes rather than Vader killing Anakin. Telling Luke that will make Luke hate Vader, luring him to the dark side. This will also make Luke want to fight Vader, a fight that he cannot win since he barely even learned anything about the Force yet.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] they're supposed to be. Luke built his using blueprints that Kenobi left. also some jedi make their lightsaber as a form of respect towards their masters.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] Yoda's a filthy old hermit who likely ***** where he eats instead of doing it in a latrine dug out of the ground.
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motherfuckingkenji (01/07/2016) [-] And then there's Darth Nihilus' saber.
It's a ******* dildo, which is ironic because he was probably among the top 3 most powerful Sith Masters ever.
It's a ******* dildo, which is ironic because he was probably among the top 3 most powerful Sith Masters ever.
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iwillrulenorway (01/07/2016) [-] ''go ahead and keep it, my dad killed like 20 kids with it''
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-] The force Awakens is a bad movie
Not saying people can't enjoy it. But it surprises me, and I even think it kind of lowers humanity's standards, that it is called "The Best movie of 2016".
Apparently, peer pressure's effects on one's opinion is a real thing.
Not saying people can't enjoy it. But it surprises me, and I even think it kind of lowers humanity's standards, that it is called "The Best movie of 2016".
Apparently, peer pressure's effects on one's opinion is a real thing.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
No. it's not well crafted.
It's exactly what you said minus that, watch: "Just a soulless copy of A new Hope that appeals to the masses"
The way I described it was "Recycled elements half-assedly put together". he didn't even try to have fun with it.
It's exactly what you said minus that, watch: "Just a soulless copy of A new Hope that appeals to the masses"
The way I described it was "Recycled elements half-assedly put together". he didn't even try to have fun with it.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
They'd probably be the same types of people who watch movies that are made to just have something that passes your time while you sit there eating popcorn and call it "good".
Good movies are the ones you don't even need popcorn with and amazing movies are the ones inwhich you legit forget you had popcorn (it has happened to me. I don't remember if it was with the Return of the King or what movie...)
Good movies are the ones you don't even need popcorn with and amazing movies are the ones inwhich you legit forget you had popcorn (it has happened to me. I don't remember if it was with the Return of the King or what movie...)
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fireskeleton (01/07/2016) [-] Nothing will surpass the pure O_O from watching Avatar for a few years still.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
That movie is a visual masterpiece. But when you see it again you realize it's a bad movie too. The visuals are amazing. The story is the same old-same old.
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fireskeleton (01/07/2016) [-] BB-8, Finn and Poe's instant-friendship, the upgraded but not updated design of internal structures, the scene where Rey loots a wrecked star destroyer. Some things were straight out recycled but nobody sung a song about their current situation, so Disney made it well imo. I'd give it a 7/10.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
I only agree on the scene they introduce Rey. That for example, was made with inspiration. Feeling. BB-8's name is a good name.
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clavatnine (01/07/2016) [-] I enjoyed it.
Clearly because of the prequels + revisions to the original + this being a rehash of A New Hope, Star Trek is, and always has been, the better alternative.
Clearly because of the prequels + revisions to the original + this being a rehash of A New Hope, Star Trek is, and always has been, the better alternative.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
You expected a good movie. It isn't just because of high expectations, it was a piece of **** .
Star Wars: The big Bang Theory.
Star Wars: The big Bang Theory.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
There's people in this world who enjoy eating **** . Literally.
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calawesome ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-]
>Poor acting
>Awful characterization
>Rehashed plot
>Cringe worthy dialogue
>Forced feminist agenda
MFW you ain't wrong.
>Awful characterization
>Rehashed plot
>Cringe worthy dialogue
>Forced feminist agenda
MFW you ain't wrong.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
thank you! doesn't it amaze you that people can't see it?
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calawesome ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] What amazes me is that Disney probably spent about six billion more dollars after buying the rights to payoff all the people who this lump of turd a good review.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
Yeah. and it does influence people. my mother took it personally when I said that I didn't like it and she even said "Well, everyone else has said it is very good".
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asotil (01/08/2016) [-] It made the entire plot of the original trilogy absolutely pointless is what I hate
We're no closer to beating the Empire
Jedis are back to being a myth
Leia is Background General #4 now
Han literally underwent reverse character development and went back to being the sleazy greedy smuggler
All we've accomplished is making the cast more diverse, which who the **** cared. That and the plot is New Hope 2: Tumblr in Space A black guy, a strong independent woman, and a Spaniard need to call adults to make the autistic white kid with a Hitler obsession go away
Does this sound familiar to you?
We're no closer to beating the Empire
Jedis are back to being a myth
Leia is Background General #4 now
Han literally underwent reverse character development and went back to being the sleazy greedy smuggler
All we've accomplished is making the cast more diverse, which who the **** cared. That and the plot is New Hope 2: Tumblr in Space A black guy, a strong independent woman, and a Spaniard need to call adults to make the autistic white kid with a Hitler obsession go away
Does this sound familiar to you?
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jasir (01/08/2016) [-]
I'm gonna rant a little, need to get it out of system.
About characters:
Luke - hero who saved galaxy, would sacrifice himself for his friends, faced terrible enemies, fought in war... Now is some pathetic hermit who ditches family, friends, entire galaxy to sob at some island watching sea for 20 years.
Han - was cynical swashbuckler but with big heart. Now is naive babysitter. Dying in the absolutly most pathetic way. Old one Han would dispose of his failure son. Not even metioning what would actually happend if his sonny returned home? Have a nice dinner with mummy and pappy and maybe be punished by not getting desert? He would be sentenced to death [he murdered billions of people]. How would anyone actually take this?
Leya - She does not have any screen time, but she is pretty naive and pathetic too.
Finn - Brainwashed since childhood grow coscience in one minute. Refuse to obey orders and kill. After few hourse he is killing his fellow comrades in arms with no problem. WHAT THE **** ? First female he meets after almost dying twice and flying from his masters and he asks her if she has boyfriend? He did not even get name, he know anything about relationships? Have he even seen woman without armor before? HE IS ENEMY, the droid knows he is LIAR, why everyone believe him and even let him near their commanders. He wants to run away [in the pub], grow concious second time and start fighting openly with the Order which scares him ******** .
Rey - Mary Sue. Why should I actually care about her? Just because she in not eating well with her half rations? /cry Or because she did not sell the droid? Why did she not do it? Makes no sense. Oh, wait. To let audience know she has heart made of gold. How pure soul... You know nothing bad can happend to her, so you dont care about her at all.
That pilot - Make idiotic decision? Why he did not flee and did stupid attack? Survive crah from outer space? Really? After torture, fall from space he actually hitchhike some spaceship on desert(ed) planet while there is Empire attacking? Grow so strong bond with some stormtrooper that is wonder he did not start sucking his cock when their time together crossed one hour time.
Kylo - make character badass or pathetic but not both. Make him unstable, you can do that, but during his rage moments let him murder people, not boom into computer keyboard... People even dare to call him "complex"... What a joke. His conclift makes no sense. Why he worships Vader, when he turned good in the end? He grow up in Skywalkers family, they will tell him stories about his granpa saving entire galaxy since day one. HE CAN NOT BE REHABILITATED. He [joined group that] murdered billions. He will be executed or given life sentence. Who would take that deal? What is his agenda? What does he wants? Why does he wants that? And the fight. And the deus ex machina...
And this is only character wise rant...
I am so ******* pissed about this movie. Biggest movie disapointment in my life.
About characters:
Luke - hero who saved galaxy, would sacrifice himself for his friends, faced terrible enemies, fought in war... Now is some pathetic hermit who ditches family, friends, entire galaxy to sob at some island watching sea for 20 years.
Han - was cynical swashbuckler but with big heart. Now is naive babysitter. Dying in the absolutly most pathetic way. Old one Han would dispose of his failure son. Not even metioning what would actually happend if his sonny returned home? Have a nice dinner with mummy and pappy and maybe be punished by not getting desert? He would be sentenced to death [he murdered billions of people]. How would anyone actually take this?
Leya - She does not have any screen time, but she is pretty naive and pathetic too.
Finn - Brainwashed since childhood grow coscience in one minute. Refuse to obey orders and kill. After few hourse he is killing his fellow comrades in arms with no problem. WHAT THE **** ? First female he meets after almost dying twice and flying from his masters and he asks her if she has boyfriend? He did not even get name, he know anything about relationships? Have he even seen woman without armor before? HE IS ENEMY, the droid knows he is LIAR, why everyone believe him and even let him near their commanders. He wants to run away [in the pub], grow concious second time and start fighting openly with the Order which scares him ******** .
Rey - Mary Sue. Why should I actually care about her? Just because she in not eating well with her half rations? /cry Or because she did not sell the droid? Why did she not do it? Makes no sense. Oh, wait. To let audience know she has heart made of gold. How pure soul... You know nothing bad can happend to her, so you dont care about her at all.
That pilot - Make idiotic decision? Why he did not flee and did stupid attack? Survive crah from outer space? Really? After torture, fall from space he actually hitchhike some spaceship on desert(ed) planet while there is Empire attacking? Grow so strong bond with some stormtrooper that is wonder he did not start sucking his cock when their time together crossed one hour time.
Kylo - make character badass or pathetic but not both. Make him unstable, you can do that, but during his rage moments let him murder people, not boom into computer keyboard... People even dare to call him "complex"... What a joke. His conclift makes no sense. Why he worships Vader, when he turned good in the end? He grow up in Skywalkers family, they will tell him stories about his granpa saving entire galaxy since day one. HE CAN NOT BE REHABILITATED. He [joined group that] murdered billions. He will be executed or given life sentence. Who would take that deal? What is his agenda? What does he wants? Why does he wants that? And the fight. And the deus ex machina...
And this is only character wise rant...
I am so ******* pissed about this movie. Biggest movie disapointment in my life.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
exactly! exactly! thank you. thank you. why can't people see it??
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] >It made the entire plot of the original trilogy absolutely pointless
So did everything that took place after return of the jedi in the old canon.
>We're no closer to beating the Empire
The first order isn't the empire. they're just a faction that holds the ideals of the empire in high regard, hell the current chancellor didn't even view them as a threat to the new republic. Granted yes, the resistance is its own thing acting with the blessing of the new republic, but that's only because Leia bugged them until she was allowed to create the resistance (and who's going to deny a war hero and princess?)
>Jedis are back to being a myth
The jedi were always a myth during the imperial period, depending on when luke created his jedi order and when it was it was destroyed, it could be a very high possibility that he wasn't able to get the jedi to high prominence as they were during the clone wars and before the empire.
So did everything that took place after return of the jedi in the old canon.
>We're no closer to beating the Empire
The first order isn't the empire. they're just a faction that holds the ideals of the empire in high regard, hell the current chancellor didn't even view them as a threat to the new republic. Granted yes, the resistance is its own thing acting with the blessing of the new republic, but that's only because Leia bugged them until she was allowed to create the resistance (and who's going to deny a war hero and princess?)
>Jedis are back to being a myth
The jedi were always a myth during the imperial period, depending on when luke created his jedi order and when it was it was destroyed, it could be a very high possibility that he wasn't able to get the jedi to high prominence as they were during the clone wars and before the empire.
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huntergriff ONLINE (01/08/2016) [-] Which i doubt they knew about until Finn came along. before that revelation, the first order was just causing minor skirmishes and **** , nothing as serious as obliterating the republic out of existence.
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gmarrox ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-] The lightsaber was recovered by a maintenance droid from the shaft and then almost smelted by the droid's supervisor. Vader showed up instead and got the lightsaber back. I mean, it was his lightsaber. Palpatine took the lightsaber (and the hand holding it) as trophies, eventually creating a clone of Luke from his severed hand, and arming the clone with the lightsaber. Then some **** happens, Luke gets it back, and gives it to Mara Jade, his love interest.
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thegreatmandalore (01/08/2016) [-]
An alternate ending that popped into my head a couple of minutes after the credits startet to roll:
Rey arrives on Jakata Prime, holds the lightsaber towards Luke. Luke turns around, looks at her, and pulls out another lightsaber.
The camera then pans to his hand as he turns the lightsaber on.
The blade is red. Black screen, end.
Rey arrives on Jakata Prime, holds the lightsaber towards Luke. Luke turns around, looks at her, and pulls out another lightsaber.
The camera then pans to his hand as he turns the lightsaber on.
The blade is red. Black screen, end.
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eightfortyovertwo (01/08/2016) [-]
Guys, help a brother out.
Does anyone have the 'You were the chosen one' meme containing tr-8r talking about bringin balance to the memes? Found it here on FJ a few days ago and can't seem to find it again.
Ta.
Does anyone have the 'You were the chosen one' meme containing tr-8r talking about bringin balance to the memes? Found it here on FJ a few days ago and can't seem to find it again.
Ta.
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classybot (01/07/2016) [-] The movie didn't live to it's potential, yes. Many parts should've been way better, like Kylo Ren's face reveal. Completely anti-climatic, but what I liked was indeed that it was the face of a teenager. Because it shows how young someone can be to become corrupted by the dark side, and it solidifies how Anakin started to fall to the dark side, as a teen with anger issues and not enough mama points to get tendies.
What made TFA good was how it followed on with the history of the SW universe, and you got to admit that it was a good idea to make the movie's story very rudimentary. It will give a good base for episodes 8 and 9 on which to build a more solid story.
Right now what we got is basically the following on which to build a very stable story:
1. Kylo Ren's evolution as a sith and the reveal of Snoke's true power, aka the true extent and power of the First Order
2. The evolution of Rey and her rise as a jedi, even though she did get some of the most powerful jedi powers almost right off the bat
3. Luke's evolution as a Jedi Master. I want to see how much he has grown with the Force.
4. Finn adapting to a new and unknown world, and maybe a reveal of him being the new "Chosen One" or something of the sort
TL;DR: The movie played it safe so it can give the following episodes the chance to build on a solid ground.
What made TFA good was how it followed on with the history of the SW universe, and you got to admit that it was a good idea to make the movie's story very rudimentary. It will give a good base for episodes 8 and 9 on which to build a more solid story.
Right now what we got is basically the following on which to build a very stable story:
1. Kylo Ren's evolution as a sith and the reveal of Snoke's true power, aka the true extent and power of the First Order
2. The evolution of Rey and her rise as a jedi, even though she did get some of the most powerful jedi powers almost right off the bat
3. Luke's evolution as a Jedi Master. I want to see how much he has grown with the Force.
4. Finn adapting to a new and unknown world, and maybe a reveal of him being the new "Chosen One" or something of the sort
TL;DR: The movie played it safe so it can give the following episodes the chance to build on a solid ground.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
"what made TFA good was how it followed on with the history of the SW universe"
no, anon
no, anon
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/07/2016) [-]
It was a reference to a 4chan post.
Now, excuse my anger it's not directed at you personally, just my lack of udnerstanding.
Why the **** do people thing it was a good continuation and a good movie?? Does everyone really have such ****** taste or have they become so numb due to hours and hours of ****** material on the media that they have become blind to beauty and actual creativity?? Can't they realize the differenc between someone half-assedly putting recycled elements of Star Wars to try and trick you into thinking you're wathcing Star Wars, without even trying to have fun with it?
-Han Solo's character is destroyed. Even the New Indiana Jones movie (which was **** as well) did more justice to the original character. Han Solo is now weak, he became a smuggler again. He didn't end up with Leia. He makes stupid jokes and acts awkwardly like he was making an audition for The big Bang Theory.
-Leia and Han's chemistry is non-existant.
-Both villains are laughable. One is a ******* idiot who throws tantrums like a baby and when you see it just think "weak". The other is the most generic CGI made villain possible, with the stupidiest name. "Snoke". Sounds like something someone would name their cat.
-Oh yeah. there was a captain something stormtrooper in there as well who made me cringy but I can't quite put my finger on why. It is a try to appeal to people by bringing the GoT actress.
-the story consisted on them running around from one pointless thing to the other in the attempt to fool you into thinking something of worth was actually happening ("what was that?"). He did the same in the first star trek but at least he had more fun with it there.
-He isn't honoring the old Star Wars by copying those elements. Like if it was a song, this wouldn't be a cover. it would be like someone trying to play the same song but doing a **** job at it and playing it with no heart.
-the humor. such stupid, transparent, I saw the joke coming from miles away, humor. "Awkward humor" which I'm growing to loathe because it's everywhere and it just basically means "act like an idiot to get laughs" when at first, the beauty of that kind of humor was to show human vulnerability so you could empathize.
- Kylo Ren killed Han solo like a faggot. that scene had no depth and they just wsted Han solo's death in the most pathetic way possible.
-It basically makes episode VI non-existant because all of it's accomplishments, the ones of the characters, are destroyed by this movie, so that they can do the same **** again and call it a "new trilogy".
-That trooper with the beating stick was such a dumb thing to put in there.
-The new Death Star. they even have to have Han saying "it's bigger, so what?". As if joking about it would make the idea less stupid.
-the new pilot of the x wings tried to say "wooo!" and **** like that to get you excited but it didn't because he didn't feel it and you could feel that.
It's just plastic. Heartless.
I remember liking like 3 scenes. One was when they show Rey for the first time in so e ruins. THAT was interesting, mysterious, and you felt like you were exploring a new corner of star wars, but it didn't live long. The other is when Han explains that the Jedi and the force "it's real. all of it." I still get chills.
The other was when Luke shows up, but they ruined it by making it so unnecessary long, with them just awkardly staring at each other while the camera spins.
Now, excuse my anger it's not directed at you personally, just my lack of udnerstanding.
Why the **** do people thing it was a good continuation and a good movie?? Does everyone really have such ****** taste or have they become so numb due to hours and hours of ****** material on the media that they have become blind to beauty and actual creativity?? Can't they realize the differenc between someone half-assedly putting recycled elements of Star Wars to try and trick you into thinking you're wathcing Star Wars, without even trying to have fun with it?
-Han Solo's character is destroyed. Even the New Indiana Jones movie (which was **** as well) did more justice to the original character. Han Solo is now weak, he became a smuggler again. He didn't end up with Leia. He makes stupid jokes and acts awkwardly like he was making an audition for The big Bang Theory.
-Leia and Han's chemistry is non-existant.
-Both villains are laughable. One is a ******* idiot who throws tantrums like a baby and when you see it just think "weak". The other is the most generic CGI made villain possible, with the stupidiest name. "Snoke". Sounds like something someone would name their cat.
-Oh yeah. there was a captain something stormtrooper in there as well who made me cringy but I can't quite put my finger on why. It is a try to appeal to people by bringing the GoT actress.
-the story consisted on them running around from one pointless thing to the other in the attempt to fool you into thinking something of worth was actually happening ("what was that?"). He did the same in the first star trek but at least he had more fun with it there.
-He isn't honoring the old Star Wars by copying those elements. Like if it was a song, this wouldn't be a cover. it would be like someone trying to play the same song but doing a **** job at it and playing it with no heart.
-the humor. such stupid, transparent, I saw the joke coming from miles away, humor. "Awkward humor" which I'm growing to loathe because it's everywhere and it just basically means "act like an idiot to get laughs" when at first, the beauty of that kind of humor was to show human vulnerability so you could empathize.
- Kylo Ren killed Han solo like a faggot. that scene had no depth and they just wsted Han solo's death in the most pathetic way possible.
-It basically makes episode VI non-existant because all of it's accomplishments, the ones of the characters, are destroyed by this movie, so that they can do the same **** again and call it a "new trilogy".
-That trooper with the beating stick was such a dumb thing to put in there.
-The new Death Star. they even have to have Han saying "it's bigger, so what?". As if joking about it would make the idea less stupid.
-the new pilot of the x wings tried to say "wooo!" and **** like that to get you excited but it didn't because he didn't feel it and you could feel that.
It's just plastic. Heartless.
I remember liking like 3 scenes. One was when they show Rey for the first time in so e ruins. THAT was interesting, mysterious, and you felt like you were exploring a new corner of star wars, but it didn't live long. The other is when Han explains that the Jedi and the force "it's real. all of it." I still get chills.
The other was when Luke shows up, but they ruined it by making it so unnecessary long, with them just awkardly staring at each other while the camera spins.
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classybot (01/07/2016) [-] Here's why I enjoyed the movie:
I wanted to see how the Galaxy changed from the events of Episode 6. I didn't want to see an Empire (now the First Order) with the same tech and same costumes as before, I wanted to see progress, technological advancement. The fact that they did do changes to a good portion of the factions really gave me a good satisfaction on how the universe of Star Wars seems to evolve.
Now onto the characters:
- Han Solo is now old. He can't be the cool smuggler forever, and his decision to return to smuggling is justified. He literally says to Leia that it's all that he knows and that he left so he could annoy her. Dash of classic Han Soloing right there. They clearly asked Ford to act like he did back as Han, but since it was an old form of acting, it didn't pan out that well and felt, at some points, awkward.
- Of course their chemistry is still there, you can see it in their eyes and they even admit that they got mutual feelings going on. But they are distant of each other because of the fact that their son Ben Solo/Organa, aka Kylo Ren, is corrupted by the dark side, which makes both Han and Leia think that they failed as parents.
- Can't argue with Snoke, first time I heard the name I thought about Snoop Dogg. Kylo Ren is still at the good old "raging teenager" phase, and they did point out many times that his training is not yet complete.
- They added Phasma in and didn't really give her much action, which did feel very lackluster, yes. But she did say that she hand-raised the whole battalion of Stormtroopers since they were children, so that was some nice piece of trivia.
- The story did have the consistent "Escape from here, go there and defeat the bad guys" jive going on, which was very basic SW storytelling there. But I agree on what you do say, they gave a ton of information and it felt confusing at points, but the main story stayed the same: The First Order is a threat, the Resistance must fight them with the help of new characters.
- Abrams honoured the old Star Wars by filming them with a mish mash of older and newer filming equipment, giving it a nice rugged look at points, and they also did a good job with prop creation. The movie uses the same techniques as the old trilogy but uses at the same time the advantages of newer movie technology.
- We all got our tastes in humour mate, maybe the humour in the movie simply wasn't meant for you.
- The scene was meant to be short and simple. Ren wanted to strengthen his resolve on giving himself in to the dark side, and killing Han Solo in such a "pathetic" way reminds us that even Han, a legend, is in the end a simple person. The scene was powerful for the sake of strengthening Ren's ambition to become better than Darth Vader, and the death of Han strengthens his resolve and tells us that he is ready to do anything to achieve his goal.
- Episode 6 ended with the Empire breaking off completely, and with the Rebels winning. It literally ends with them just celebrating with walking human-faced bears, so I see nothing destroyed in the process.
- Exactly, it's just a bigger Death Star. That's what connects the First Order to the Empire, it simply wants to be bigger and better.
- Not sure about you, but it was a pretty epic scene seeing an X-Wing smash up a squadron of stormtroopers down. The "woo" was basically what we all thought when the fly-by mowdown happened.
It's good that you have your opinion on how the movie was for you, but don't just slap it right down the drain. It wasn't as stellar as most expected it to be, hell not even I "loved" it, I just liked it. It brought in nostalgia, but as I said, it gave a great, solid base on which the rest of the trilogy can build on.
We will see how it will all pan out.
I wanted to see how the Galaxy changed from the events of Episode 6. I didn't want to see an Empire (now the First Order) with the same tech and same costumes as before, I wanted to see progress, technological advancement. The fact that they did do changes to a good portion of the factions really gave me a good satisfaction on how the universe of Star Wars seems to evolve.
Now onto the characters:
- Han Solo is now old. He can't be the cool smuggler forever, and his decision to return to smuggling is justified. He literally says to Leia that it's all that he knows and that he left so he could annoy her. Dash of classic Han Soloing right there. They clearly asked Ford to act like he did back as Han, but since it was an old form of acting, it didn't pan out that well and felt, at some points, awkward.
- Of course their chemistry is still there, you can see it in their eyes and they even admit that they got mutual feelings going on. But they are distant of each other because of the fact that their son Ben Solo/Organa, aka Kylo Ren, is corrupted by the dark side, which makes both Han and Leia think that they failed as parents.
- Can't argue with Snoke, first time I heard the name I thought about Snoop Dogg. Kylo Ren is still at the good old "raging teenager" phase, and they did point out many times that his training is not yet complete.
- They added Phasma in and didn't really give her much action, which did feel very lackluster, yes. But she did say that she hand-raised the whole battalion of Stormtroopers since they were children, so that was some nice piece of trivia.
- The story did have the consistent "Escape from here, go there and defeat the bad guys" jive going on, which was very basic SW storytelling there. But I agree on what you do say, they gave a ton of information and it felt confusing at points, but the main story stayed the same: The First Order is a threat, the Resistance must fight them with the help of new characters.
- Abrams honoured the old Star Wars by filming them with a mish mash of older and newer filming equipment, giving it a nice rugged look at points, and they also did a good job with prop creation. The movie uses the same techniques as the old trilogy but uses at the same time the advantages of newer movie technology.
- We all got our tastes in humour mate, maybe the humour in the movie simply wasn't meant for you.
- The scene was meant to be short and simple. Ren wanted to strengthen his resolve on giving himself in to the dark side, and killing Han Solo in such a "pathetic" way reminds us that even Han, a legend, is in the end a simple person. The scene was powerful for the sake of strengthening Ren's ambition to become better than Darth Vader, and the death of Han strengthens his resolve and tells us that he is ready to do anything to achieve his goal.
- Episode 6 ended with the Empire breaking off completely, and with the Rebels winning. It literally ends with them just celebrating with walking human-faced bears, so I see nothing destroyed in the process.
- Exactly, it's just a bigger Death Star. That's what connects the First Order to the Empire, it simply wants to be bigger and better.
- Not sure about you, but it was a pretty epic scene seeing an X-Wing smash up a squadron of stormtroopers down. The "woo" was basically what we all thought when the fly-by mowdown happened.
It's good that you have your opinion on how the movie was for you, but don't just slap it right down the drain. It wasn't as stellar as most expected it to be, hell not even I "loved" it, I just liked it. It brought in nostalgia, but as I said, it gave a great, solid base on which the rest of the trilogy can build on.
We will see how it will all pan out.
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selfdenyingbeggar (01/08/2016) [-]
You're only justifying it mentally. As if looking at the concepts by itself, reading the screen. you didn't SEE or FEEL the movie.
How do I explain this... it's as thought you're only thinking of it mentally. Like concepts.
But you can write "lightsord battle". Or "intense lightsaber battle" and both sound cool. But in the actual film. you can have people who clearly felt they were on the set of a movie without believing they own acting.
On paper, the movie would sound way better than it actually was to watch it. because they couldn't even deliver well their own ideas.
It's like the difference between reading a joke, and having a good comedian and a bad comedian say it.
How do I explain this... it's as thought you're only thinking of it mentally. Like concepts.
But you can write "lightsord battle". Or "intense lightsaber battle" and both sound cool. But in the actual film. you can have people who clearly felt they were on the set of a movie without believing they own acting.
On paper, the movie would sound way better than it actually was to watch it. because they couldn't even deliver well their own ideas.
It's like the difference between reading a joke, and having a good comedian and a bad comedian say it.
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birdswin (01/08/2016) [-] It just bugged me the WAY she was holding it in that scene, pointing it at him basically, like he can see whose it was looking at it from the end. It seemed like she should've had her hand palm-up with the thing sideways in her hand. I wonder if they tried it different ways.
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Tyranitar (01/07/2016) [-] PSA: Spoielrs below. I imagine you've either seen the film or got spoiler by now, but just in case, don't look below. You've been warned.
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thechosentroll (01/08/2016) [-] That's a recent problem we've had with female characters. Because of the absurd political correctness some people demand, pretty much every every female character has to be a Mary Sue or people whine. Because stupid people see every female character as a representation of all women. Character is a coward? "OMG! You're depicting women as victims.". Character's a ******* ? "OMG! That's so offensive." Character is feminine and doesn't act like they've got more testicles than a Chernobyl fireman? "OMG! Mysoginy! You're forcing the patriarchy on women.". So, you end up with butch Mary Sues. Sometimes it works out well, like in Mad Max. Sometimes, it doesn't.
