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User avatar #2 - Dropkicksxxx (01/06/2016) [-]
I'm pretty open to discussion with people, except anti-vaxx people but **** those people. At least the vegans have the whole "not killing" deal going I guess. And the worst, the ******* worst argument is that vaccines can cause autism, because even if that were slightly true, that means they would rather gamble with their kids life, use of limbs and immune system, than have an autistic kid. Not to mention that they can then spread the disease to people who are imunno compromised, infants and the elderly. All to sit on some boner biting high horse.
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#24 to #2 - anon (01/06/2016) [-]
It's a good thing wrapped in slow kill chems designed to give you more problems so you eventually become one of the billions of people on a routine prescription.
I've watched them do the same smear campaign for educated people who don't support the notion of global warming in the UK and Europe as they've done for doctors who came out about the adverse effects of vaccines.
Keep circle jerking to how you're all superior to people who don't trust these companies or the government.
Keep making anybody who says vaccines might have some ill effects out to be ANTI VAXXERS.
Every time this issue comes up its the same response of wanting to forcibly take away ANTI VAXXER'S kids and becomes a straw man debate about the general ANTI VAXXER and their beliefs.
HOW CAN VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM IT'S GENETIC!
IDIOTS, OF COURSE THE HUMAN GENOME IS EVOLVING TO MAKE PEOPLE STUPIDER THAT'S JUST HOW EVOLUTION WORKS!
1 IN 64 KIDS AFFECTED WITH 1/2 OF KIDS ESTIMATED BY 2030 YET IT'S JUST ******* GENETICS!!!!!!!!
Toxic substances Lead, Mercury, dangerous chems, **** like that, which can be found in many people's water supplies and food due to pesticides yata yata can affect how cells reproduce and can damage chromosomes.
Why would doctors jeopardize their life's work to try and tell you something is dangerous?
Is it because they want publicity and money or because they want to let you know SOMETHING IS WRONG!
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User avatar #47 to #24 - coldclaws (01/08/2016) [-]
I don't know man. People are just afraid that this sort of thing COULD happen, so in their minds, it's a worst case scenario where it already HAS happened. Autism, chemical dependencies, corporate money-grabbing and **** .

But it's all a big "what-if" and these anti-vaxers never actually consider the mounting evidence that disproves everything they've been riled up about. Pity them.
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User avatar #31 to #2 - tastywheat (01/06/2016) [-]
The thing is... at least vegan people go: this is my belief so this is my choice.

Anti-vac people are making uninformed choices and there children are the ones who suffer.
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User avatar #35 to #31 - blokrokker (01/06/2016) [-]
"at least vegan people go: this is my belief so this is my choice. "
Not in my experience. They tend to go: this is my belief so everybody conform to my ideals. Maybe you know different vegans, but I can't stand listening to any of the ones I know.
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User avatar #48 to #35 - tastywheat (6 hours ago) [-]
Your right now that I think about itt
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User avatar #18 to #2 - rebornpotato (01/06/2016) [-]
Although i completely agree with you, i've known a few anti-vaxxers, and their general argument is "since they started giving more vaccines more and more kids have had autism, when i was younger there were never kids who had that." And the famous "If my kid gets sick then it shouldn't matter because all the other kids should have their shots." It makes me want to punch them.
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#23 to #18 - phlogistinator (01/06/2016) [-]
What anti-vaxers don't realize, (or refuse to acknowledge), is that more and more kids are actually being diagnosed with autisim, not getting it. The number of kids born with autism hasn't changed dramatically in the past 10 years, it's just the number of them being identified by doctors. It's just like diagnosing kids with dyslexia or ADHD, the number of kids with them hasn't changed, it's just the number of kids actually being diagnosed by doctors. Vaccines do not affect genes in any way, autism is cause by gene defects, which can be random at best, or passed down genetically at worse.
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User avatar #26 to #2 - distortedflare ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
Not only that but autism is a not a disease hell most the time it is not even problematic. It is a disability that makes it harder for people to pick up on body language, social norms, and or have different views of how life works. A few get the extreme cases and that is bad but it would still be better than the child coughing up blood and dying at four because of a easily preventable disease like whooping cough.
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User avatar #3 to #2 - jomeara (01/06/2016) [-]
Honestly it's not even a matter of that. The problem with the anti-vax community is that it is based in selfishness. as long as there is a high level of immunization in the populace, the anti-vaxxers kids will be pretty much safe thanks to herd immunity. The issue here is if there are too many unvaccinated people then herd immunity is compromised. the end result? people where the vaccine didn't work, or people who have compromised immune systems and can'T get vaccinated are then put at risk. So anti-vaxxers are not only endangering their kids, they are also endangering and whole bunch of other people. I mean when it comes down to it if you really want to be brutal about it if the anti-vaxxers really want to put their kids in danger then **** it go ahead but really where the antivax movement pisses me off is that they put so many more people at risk.
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User avatar #5 to #3 - jomeara (01/06/2016) [-]
To be honest, I do understand the logic behind the anti-vax community, but it is flawed logic.
I was discussing this subject with a few of my friends and our conclusion is that essentially, the antivax movement is fundamentally based on the idea that the scientific community cannot be right on everything. I disagree with this idea because what I study is well embedded in the scientific community and I understand the community as a whole, but to people on the outside of the scientific community, it must be confusing. To people who have little to no understanding of science and the scientific community, science appears as some huge overwhelmingly powerful entity that dictates so many aspects of our lives. It's like a huge corporation of knowledge, and fundamentally people like the anti-vaxxers cannot believe that science is right on everything. Whereas, as someone in the scientific community, I understand that science is ultimately just a loose group bound by the scientific method. So i think that the antivax community stems from the mistrust of science, and the belief that it is some entity that serves its own interests.
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#17 to #5 - anon (01/06/2016) [-]
dude, science is wrong all the ******* time.
not that vaccines aren't great, because they usually are (except for the flu, **** that **** )

but here.
list25.com/25-science-facts-that-were-proven-wrong/3/
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User avatar #21 to #17 - jomeara (01/06/2016) [-]
Dude literally all 25 of those are common saying and public "knowledge", not science. Science is based on the scientific method and peer reviewed reports and journals.
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#28 to #17 - kanedam ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
those arent science facts but common misconceptions...
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User avatar #22 to #17 - SteyrAUG (01/06/2016) [-]
That's like the worst list I've ever seen to prove a point. Most of them are wives' tales or things you'd hear on the playground of an elementary school.

And number 9 can be empirically proven wrong:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDorTBEhEtk
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User avatar #10 to #5 - Dropkicksxxx (01/06/2016) [-]
Exactly what I've seen trying to have this conversation with people. ( mind you I live in a predominantly christian area) a lot of my peers have a major distrust for things that they don't fully understand, which, happens to be anything outside of country living and country cures. I can see where they come from though, of all the ear drops I've tried nothing has worked better than sweet oil for ear pain, and for getting a splinter out drawing salve is top notch. But, those two examples are where it basically ends ( maybe a few more that works pretty well) but these people think you can cure a viral infection with a few drops of witch hazel.
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#16 to #10 - thebproud (01/06/2016) [-]
Even with all of this the other huge issue is even if you are vaccinated if you come in direct contact with someone who is sick with something you've been vaccinated against you can still get that disease anyway. Its not just the antivax kids that these people are risking
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#11 to #3 - hikakiller (01/06/2016) [-]
It's based in ignorance as well. They refuse to accept medical facts and put the lives of others in their hands.
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User avatar #4 to #3 - Dropkicksxxx (01/06/2016) [-]
I mean that's kinda exactly what I said, but I do not disagree man/lady.
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User avatar #6 to #4 - jomeara (01/06/2016) [-]
-_- Sorry man I honestly didn't read the last sentence, my bad
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User avatar #9 to #6 - Dropkicksxxx (01/06/2016) [-]
Sokay broskie, I'm not gonna jump down your throat. I'm actually glad someone sees where I'm coming from with it
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User avatar #7 to #6 - jomeara (01/06/2016) [-]
*last two sentences.
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#8 - installation (01/06/2016) [-]
"Well son, when we had you I was a pussy bitch that cared about what people on the internet and your mom's yoga teacher thought about me so I didn't grow a pair and give you the vaccine anyway. Anyway, sorry your father isn't a good one.
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User avatar #12 - amsel (01/06/2016) [-]
To me, it honestly depends on the vaccine. When you're talking about like MMR shots (measles, mumps, rubella), which have been used extensively for decades and prevent otherwise potentially deadly or damaging diseases, then of course you should use them. But when you're talking about flu shots, which change every year and are only like 75% effective on a good year, it's sort of a different story. I think as a parent you should be very conscious of what you're injecting your children with, and "oh a doctor said it's okay" doesn't always mean it's a good idea. You've all seen the commercials for "Steinberg, Goldstein, and Steingoldstein" trying to look for participants in a giant class action lawsuit for medicines gone wrong - what's to say that won't happen again? After all, it was only a few years after the Gardasil HPV shots came out that people started wondering if it caused fertility issues ( healthimpactnews.com/2014/why-is-the-cdc-ignoring-explosion-of-recorded-hpv-vaccine-injuries-as-other-countries-move-to-take-protective-action/ ). There are some people questioning if the Flu shot can cause temporary blindness in children ( www.yahoo.com/parenting/did-flu-shot-cause-9-year-old-to-go-blind-become-213748814.html ). On rare occasions, the chicken pox vaccine can cause seizures and liver infections ( www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/varicella-vaccine.html#sideeffects ). Generalizing things to "oh all vaccines are awesome and anti-vaxxers are crazy" is a bit off base, in my opinion.
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#29 to #12 - anon (01/06/2016) [-]
Hey look everyone, a child on FJ who knows more than the entire medical profesion.
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User avatar #13 to #12 - traycepickering ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
You're totally right. I never really went and got flu shots because i was terrified of needles, but when that H1N1 **** was going down I decided to give it a go. About ten minutes after my shot I started getting achy, red and swollen. I got all sorts of tests and **** to figure out what was going on, and it turns out I have a mild egg allergy. It just goes to show that **** can go wrong, and not even how you expect it to go wrong.
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User avatar #25 to #13 - TheHutchie (01/06/2016) [-]
Uhh... what? The guy is right, and he makes some excellent points, but I've got to tell you, in the nicest way possible, your personal mild egg allergy doesn't make any difference to whether a vaccine is good or bad.

You're right to say that things can go wrong, but that's not really relevant because things can go wrong with pretty much any medical treatment whatsoever.

If the vaccine's causing harm to large amounts of people, then there's a fault with the vaccine. One guy being allergic just means that he shouldn't be taking that particular vaccine.
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User avatar #39 to #25 - traycepickering ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-]
That't not what I meant. I had no idea i had an egg allergy and went and got the shot. I was uninformed and didn't know what I was taking or what I was allergic to, so i had a bad time. People need to actually know themselves and what they are taking, and should also consult the doctor before taking any shots.
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User avatar #40 to #39 - TheHutchie (01/07/2016) [-]
That may not be what you meant, but the problem is that people, like myself, are having a hard time working out what you did mean, because it looks as if you're missing the point.

A doctor wouldn't have been able to magically anticipate that you had an allergy, and so would've advised that you get the vaccine anyway. You don't find out you're allergic to peanuts by going to the doctors with a packet of KP. You'd have to be tested for allergies to absolutely anything a person could be allergic to if that was how things are done. I cannot think of a bigger waste of medical funding than what you seem to have just hinted at.

You weren't "uninformed" because that implies that someone was hiding something from you. Clearly you were unaware that you even had an egg allergy before being vaccinated, so the only person who can be considered at fault here is you for not knowing your own body.
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User avatar #41 to #40 - traycepickering ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-]
The whole point of getting tested for allergies is to avoid situations like that. Do you think everyone with deadly allergies finds out by going through anaphalaxis? Food allergies are usually a little bit more serious than hugging a kitty and getting the sniffles.
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User avatar #42 to #41 - TheHutchie (01/07/2016) [-]
Then why didn't you go get tested for egg allergies before being injected?
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#43 to #42 - traycepickering ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-]
That's the point, I didn't.
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User avatar #44 to #43 - TheHutchie (01/07/2016) [-]
Right, and my point is that this means that you are to blame, and therefore it's a completely illogical argument about the safety ratio of vaccines.
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User avatar #45 to #44 - traycepickering ONLINE (01/07/2016) [-]
I'm sorry if my post was confusing, but that isn't what I'm trying to say here. Even if i had known i was allergic to egg i probably still would have got the shot not knowing that egg bits were used in it, and had a reaction. Trusting the general public with your decisions about vaccinations is stupid. Vaccinations are a good thing, but if you don't have any idea what they are putting into your arm then you probably shouldn't be getting them.

I know a girl with a severe egg allergy. Even eating food that was prepared in the same pan as eggs can kill her. Can you imagine if she got the shot? They didn't ask at the clinic if you had allergies, just if you were sick and then shot you up. If she hadn't looked up what was in the shot herself she could have died.
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User avatar #46 to #45 - TheHutchie (01/07/2016) [-]
Okay, see now this makes sense regarding the topic in discussion.

I agree with you; personal education will always be superior to relying on others, but relying on others sometimes has to be done, and so we must strive to make sure that the professionals we rely on are trustworthy and honest.

At the very least we can take solace in that, if you do have an immediate and severe reaction to a vaccine, at least you'd be in a clinic or hospital already - arguably the best place to be if you're in medical distress.
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User avatar #14 to #12 - treeoctopus (01/06/2016) [-]
I like you, and your logic. Thank you fact bringer.
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User avatar #30 to #12 - mistercookie (01/06/2016) [-]
But doctors learn about the potential side effects of vaccines too. Side effects like that are extremely rare and the diseases themselves kill more people every year, so the benefits outweigh the risk.
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#27 to #12 - kanedam ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
wow... this it the first time i've seen someone argue with logic and facts on that topic.
i like you!

and i'm glad you didnt get thumbed down as i was when i posted some studies about different vaccines from different national health organisations.
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#1 - anon (01/06/2016) [-]
Well, son, the internet and your moms yoga teacher said that abortions were bad.

Sorry you were born, and sorry we never found out who your genetic dad was.
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User avatar #15 to #1 - oxymoronking ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
i think not knowing who your dad is is slightly better than not being alive
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#19 to #15 - anon (01/06/2016) [-]
You've never had a single mother as a parent.
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User avatar #20 to #19 - oxymoronking ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
i understand its not great, but its better than being ******* dead
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User avatar #38 to #20 - daniboyi (01/06/2016) [-]
That... depends.
A child who got aborted never really experienced life, and therefor can't really regret or feel bad about dying.
Also it depends on what a persons view on the whole abortion and fetus-argument is.
One can argue they were never really alive and therefor can't be dead. They just don't exist.
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#32 - anon (01/06/2016) [-]
I mean everyone on funnyjunk is vaccinated and everyone on funnyjunk is autistic, there are links if you look

im jokeing dont hate me
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User avatar #33 - akisswagson (01/06/2016) [-]
This is a very informative site everyone should take a loot at howdovaccinescauseautism.com/
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#37 - improbable (01/06/2016) [-]
what do they gain by saying vaccines causes autism?
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#36 - tarabostes ONLINE (01/06/2016) [-]
 
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