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#24 - icanhasaccount ONLINE (09/19/2015) [-]
the real issue is ILLEGAL immigrants
How are Americans even having this issue it's in the name
Make immigration simpler so they can either become citizens and pay tax or deport them. there is no in-between
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#31 to #24 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Well, they tried even changing that to undocumented immigrants to make it seem like no big deal...
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#40 to #24 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
If you want to make it possible for immigrants to get citizenship, Bernie or Jeb is your best bet.
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#56 to #24 - magicsteel (09/19/2015) [-]
yeah man it's stupid.
I mean securing boarder is one of must fundamental job of a government.
I understand there could be some pep coming in and staying illegally, but allowing people waltz through the border and having this many illegals roaming around is not OK.
On the other hand, we do need to make it easier to get the green card.
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#26 to #24 - rupok (09/19/2015) [-]
there are so many illegal immigration who have had generations of kids here or some legal family has illegal immigrants here that its the norm. They think its perfectly ok.
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User avatar #34 - hellishpanda (09/19/2015) [-]
At least we're not europe.

Lets play a game.

Mexican or Syrian Immigrants.
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User avatar #54 to #34 - shinycharizard (09/19/2015) [-]
If Bernie's elected, then we'll be even closer to being like Europe
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User avatar #46 to #34 - platinumaltaria (09/19/2015) [-]
Why not neither?
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#62 to #46 - asotil (09/19/2015) [-]
Exactley
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#51 to #34 - thedonkeykong ONLINE (09/19/2015) [-]
i would take the mexicans, 100% sure. at least they try to work and are cheap and not just leeching your governments money and bombing you when they dont get their kebap
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User avatar #61 to #51 - asotil (09/19/2015) [-]
>at least they try to work

That's like 50/50 depending on where in the US you are
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#29 - tuhuar (09/19/2015) [-]
I'll just leave this here. Again.
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User avatar #43 to #29 - failtolawl (09/19/2015) [-]
Apparantly it's a cult to like candidates. Unless that candidate is Rand Paul or Trump. K
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#49 to #43 - tuhuar (09/19/2015) [-]
Nah man, like whoever you wanna like. I don't even particularly like Paul or Trump, but I do think that this image is funny. I'm not here to debate politics, I'm here to post some funny junk. Roll credits.
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User avatar #50 to #49 - failtolawl (09/19/2015) [-]
But you can't post that and expect anything funny to come out of it.

also, *ding*
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User avatar #35 - murrlogic (09/19/2015) [-]
I still don't wanna vote for a man who is the CEO of a ******* private bank

I don't even care what he expects me to believe
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User avatar #20 - europe (09/19/2015) [-]
He's not gonna win, no chance.
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User avatar #45 to #20 - platinumaltaria (09/19/2015) [-]
That reflects more on the poor judgement of your citizens.
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User avatar #47 to #45 - europe (09/19/2015) [-]
I'm not American bro.
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User avatar #48 to #47 - platinumaltaria (09/19/2015) [-]
their citizens...

Syria tho
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#32 to #20 - danksouls ONLINE (09/19/2015) [-]
die, my friend you're probably right
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#36 to #20 - innocentbabies (09/19/2015) [-]
>self-proclaimed socialist in America
Yeah, absolutely no chance. Nobody here knows what socialism even is, it's just a buzzword that people throw around. There's no reason to call yourself a socialist when running for office, those who know what it is will know whether or not you are based on your policies, and those who don't won't vote for you because you just admitted to being a dirty commie.
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#59 to #36 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
No reason, unless you know, YOU KNOW WHAT THE **** SOCIALISM IS AND YOU ARE HONEST ABOUT WHAT YOU SUPPORT.

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#73 to #59 - innocentbabies (09/20/2015) [-]
The last time we voted a politician in as president because he was honest, we got Jimmy Carter.
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#8 - seriousvaluables (09/19/2015) [-]
this site became overrun with elitist right wingers who wanna force woman to carry the *********** baby to full term and then not give them a dime to raise said kid
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#9 to #8 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Yep, because I didn't **** her and if it was my kid why can't I decided if she keeps it? Bring it back.
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#10 to #9 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Decide*
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User avatar #14 to #8 - robdabob ONLINE (09/19/2015) [-]
rather dead than red. And no woman should need to carry a rape baby, abort that **** . Immigrants get way too much money, elders in sweden get ****** care, basically none at all. But immigrants get showered with everything, and they still ****** complain. I mean they most of them come from wars and **** , and they have the ******* audacity to complain about a bikeride for 30 minutes to get groceries and a hospital further away? So they hunger strike to get what they want. Pretty sure the government is gonna give in, **** my retarded country leaders.
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#37 - justtocomment (09/19/2015) [-]
I pay less than 30% income tax and 1.90 a gallon for gas.
**** out of here with your plans to **** the middle class harder than its already being ****** .
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User avatar #38 to #37 - xgeneration ONLINE (09/19/2015) [-]
I thought it was aimed toward the upper class instead of just middle class.
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#39 to #38 - justtocomment (09/19/2015) [-]
Nope - because tax the upper class all you want, they'll find their way out of a large portion of it. In essence: they can afford to not pay their taxes.
So the upper class skips out, and the lower class collects more in benefits than they pay into the system: whose the odd man out?
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#13 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Immigrants are stealing jobs you ignorant little prick. and no they are not just "doesn't jobs Americans won't do" Take a look for one second at the national census, all jobs considered to be "jobs Americans wont' do" are done Primarily by American citizens. This includes landscaping, house keeping services, taxi drivers, the list goes on. Furthermore, the work force participation rate among American citizens has steadily fallen, and is still fallen, while all the growth is contributed to illegal immigrant workers. Wake up and smell the sweaty illiterate third world rejects you retarded socialist.

And I don't call them illiterate with any ill intent, it's fact, most of the recent surge are illiterate in their own language, let alone English.
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#30 to #13 - praemium (09/19/2015) [-]
That is still not stealing jobs. How are you going to blame immigrants from poor countries getting employed by the super rich? Blame the capitalists who employ them, who would rather vote in favor of immigration to get cheap labor, instead of employing Americans. It is not the Left outsourcing your entire privatized economy, it is not the Left arguing for product production overseas. And finally, it is not the Left arguing for absurd flat-tax without any welfare - the last being one of the few advantages Europeans have over Americans.

hurr durr muh captalsm hurr durr soslism - Get real, vote Socialist when it might do you some good. Risking a Marx pic related, but the man has been an irreplacable addition to poltical ideology.
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#52 to #30 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
yeah, socialism in great, here in norway the state takes 80% of what you earn in taxes. ******* peachy. And that's for the average working class person. There's some idiot here who decided he wanted to actually create some jobs and start an airliner, called Norwegian. They tax him 1900%. Go socialism.
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User avatar #58 to #52 - ogomer ONLINE (09/19/2015) [-]
Where in the world are you finding these numbers? The average working class citizen rarely pays more than 35% of income in taxes. The highest income bracket you can be in is when you earn at least NOK2 million, in which there is an income tax of 47.5%. You do NOT pay 80% of income to the state as an average tax payer any way you look at it.

Also, 1900%!? What the **** ? So you mean he has to pay 19 times of what he earns? If he earned 50 million, he would have to pay the state 950 million? Wut? Even the highest corporate tax rate doesn't go higher than 50.8%.

And yeah, socialism is ******* great! If not for that, I would have to pay thousands in medical bills each year, just because I was born with a chronic disease. So **** you.
I know this anon was probably just a troll, but I just had to respond.
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#64 to #58 - anon (09/20/2015) [-]
If you're Norwegian, here you go: onarki.no/blogg/2010/08/dette-betaler-du-i-skatt/
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#63 to #58 - anon (09/20/2015) [-]
You pay taxes for food, taxes for gas, taxes for electricity and so on. You really think income tax is all you pay? For the average Norwegian the average tax pressure is 80%. And yes, 1900% tax because he pays wealth tax, so he pays taxes for money he's already paid taxes for.

If the population couldn't afford healthcare in a privatized system how can we afford it now, with a bureacracy to regulate it in which 20% of the tax income just dissappears due to ineffectivity? Buying healthcare services wouldn't be like going to the store for food, you'd have insurances. And please dont use the American system as an example, it's as socialized and regulated as in Norway they've just done it even worse than we have.

Socialism and welfare states are all doomed, look at greece, and spain. Every politician promises the next generations money to the current generation, relying on big enough growth so that they can actually pay off the loans they take. Norway is probably the last welfare state to go to hell though, due to being drugged up on oil money.

Liberalism and capitalism is the only system that will work in the long run.
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User avatar #65 to #63 - ogomer ONLINE (09/20/2015) [-]
Alright, let me ask you this. If all taxes on services were removed tomorrow, do you know what would happen? Prices would be increased to match the prices that were before since that is what people are willing to pay for those services. You would not be able to buy any more stuff than before. Nothing would change other than corporations getting more money, and the state less. All you do is trade one greedy asshole for another... oh wait, the state gives plenty of ******* stuff back, the corporations DON'T.

"All socialist states are doomed, just look at Spain and Greece"... Dude. Almost everyone living in those countries try their hardest to find as many loop holes in their taxation laws as possible to pay as little tax as possible. And for a long time, even if they didn't pay their tax, there were no consequences, since the state instead of coming for the tax money just went to investment banks for loans. Greece and Spain tanked because they didn't collect taxes, so they couldn't pay off their ever increasing debts.
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#67 to #65 - anon (09/20/2015) [-]
Also, if you buy a product from a private company most of them have a satisfaction guarantee or your money back, the state forces you to pay taxes, shut the **** up and wait for it.

Somehow we demand a satisfaction guarantee from private companies but we ******* applaud the state when they take our money and give us loose promises back.
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User avatar #69 to #67 - ogomer ONLINE (09/20/2015) [-]
Loose promises? I feel the effects of those "loose promises" every day! Just because you aren't recipient of the results personally, doesn't mean there are no results.
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#66 to #65 - anon (09/20/2015) [-]
Ever heard of competition? do you think there would one big insurance company that had monopoly on all insurances? got car insurance? try calling another insurance company and ask them if they want to give you a better offer than your current company is, and i guarantee you in most cases they'll offer you something cheaper. Same goes for your cell phone operator. And removing them tomorrow isnt an option, it would be a long process.
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User avatar #68 to #66 - ogomer ONLINE (09/20/2015) [-]
Yes competition works like that in few industries, but not all of them. In industries where you buy an item, such as clothes or food, prices are centered more around demand than competition. What regulates prices in those kinds of industries is less about what the competitors are willing to lower their prices to, and more about what the customer is willing to pay.
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#72 to #68 - anon (09/20/2015) [-]
And a final question to you sir, im going to go ahead and assume you have some medical problem, maybe you are a welfare recipient, not that im trying to insult you or anything, just going off of what you've said: Why do you feel entitled to other people's money? Why should I pay for your medical bills?
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User avatar #74 to #72 - ogomer ONLINE (09/20/2015) [-]
"Why should I pay for your medical bills?". The problem with this mentality is that it isn't YOU that are paying the medical bills of sick people. It's ALL OF US who're paying.

Also, think about what you are saying here; "I know there are people who are struggling with sickness, but **** em. If they are sick, that's on them and should not have anything to do with me." Not only is that a morally bankrupt position to take, it's an economically unsound one too. The result of removing welfare services in our country would be an increase in 1. Sick people not getting the medicine they need and thus not being able to work and then losing their jobs. 2. The probability of people with substance problems getting out of it and getting a job would be much, much lower. 3. After a generation shift we would start seeing a clear division line between the middle class and the poor. 4. Kids born into poverty would have an increasingly hard time getting a good education, and thus be working minimum wage jobs. 4. With an increase in people working minimum wage jobs, there would be an increase in people who NEED welfare money to even make ends meet. 5. With an increase in population beneath the poverty line we would also see an increase in drug abuse, and by extension a larger black market. 6. With a larger black market we would see an increase in crime, so we would have to build bigger prisons.

There are plenty of other negative effects we would see, but to summarize: Having the state stop spending as much money on welfare (aka keeping people in their jobs or trying to get people into work) would only lead to the state having to spend money on keeping the poor in check with an increase in police and prison funding. All you are doing is creating a lower class of citizens. The fact that today we practically don't have a lower class, but instead have pretty much everyone in the upper middle class, IS thanks to the welfare system.
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#70 to #68 - anon (09/20/2015) [-]
Turned on your tv lately? Grocery stores are fighting to be the cheapest, this is what every commercial for grocery stores is centered around, they want to be as cheap as possible so that more people will buy what they sell. As for clothes i can agree to an extent, some people buy their clothes at H&M and some spend ridiculous amounts of money at Burberry, Gucci and Chanel, even though quality doesn't differ much, it's just status. But low cost clothing stores still compete to be the cheapest.

Tweaking prices after demand really only works in drug cartels and monopolys such as the liquour monopoly we have here, we are willing to pay ridiculous prizes for booze, we wouldn't be if the liquor market was free.
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#71 to #70 - anon (09/20/2015) [-]
Adjusting prices for a product after demand would only work if there was low supply and large demand. If there is an abundance of the product, such as food, there will always be competition to be cheapest in a free market.
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#16 to #13 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Still not "stealing" jobs.
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#22 - partycats (09/19/2015) [-]
Can't stump the trump. Really though it does not matter who is elected, we are all ****** , aside from the super rich.
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User avatar #1 - oxymoronking (09/18/2015) [-]
1. especially in lower paying jobs it is. try to find a white housekeeper in texas.
2. isn't it pretty much commen knowlage that he was going to force mexico to pay for it
3. if you raise the wage, than companies charge more. fast food has a very large portion of its coustomers from the lower class. it doesn't give them more money, only makes them feel like they have more money.
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User avatar #2 to #1 - ThatFatMummy [OP](09/18/2015) [-]
1. Maybe you're right.
2. Like that's going to work
3. If you think he wants to raise the minimum wage without having something to back it up, then you must assume Bernie Sanders is new at his job or something. He wants to lower the prices of things like medicine, school, etc... Things that people spend a huge sum of their money on. Other things (from random **** like toilet paper & napkins, to computers & shoes) won't raise their prices the way you're thinking they will. In fact, people will have more money to spend on things like that, and those companies will have more customers & more frequent cash flow. Raising minimum wage & raising prices are not mutually exclusive outcomes at all.

Inb4 "but if the minimum wage is raised, they'll just fire more people to make up for it!"
Bernie sanders wants to make forming unions easier so that doesn't happen.
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User avatar #3 to #2 - oxymoronking (09/19/2015) [-]
2. mexicos so ****** up if the us called for total embargo mexico would starve to death, and they know it
3. the main problem is people are greedy. a CEO will find a way to keep making the same amount of money, because they can hire lawyers to find loopholes. I.E. the crayons at target may cost .30$, but it has a $5 purchasing fee. People in power want to keep power, and will **** over everyone to keep it.
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User avatar #5 to #3 - ThatFatMummy [OP](09/19/2015) [-]
Well at least you admitted that it's a problem. But that's exactly Bernie's target. He wants to stop the people in power from getting more power, since they don't need it, and WE certainly don't need it.
Nobody else even cares about it. Which is why he has my vote.
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#17 to #5 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Wanting to stop/solve/prevent those kinds of problems and actually begin able to are two very different things. If any gov. official honestly think that they can change how businesses do their business in a market such as the one the U.S has without some severe backlash on the populous, they are either oblivious or don't realize that money makes the world go round.
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#12 to #2 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Lower the cost how? Its driven by the market. Unless you plan on forcing businesses to lower their costs. Which case, good luck with ****** service.
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#4 to #1 - comicironic (09/19/2015) [-]
The reason lower-paying jobs aren't taken by Americans is that Americans don't want to work low-paying manual labour jobs.
In American agriculture in particular, immigrants fill a vital niche where particularly white Americans choose not to work but work still needs to be done.
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User avatar #6 to #4 - oxymoronking (09/19/2015) [-]
legal **** is why they dont work so low
because minimum wage is so high, they legally cannot work a reasonable wage for picking watermelon. but illegals can because they're already breaking the ******* law.
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#7 to #6 - comicironic (09/19/2015) [-]
Evidently not m8, because plenty of Americans work delivery jobs where they can make less than minimum wage after spending gas money and still survive.
Americans will typically not work hard jobs unless they pay relatively well. This is a big issue for farmers who need manual labour.
It's not related to being paid less than minimum wage, because people get reported for that **** a lot faster than you think they do.
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#11 to #7 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
Fact you said "m8" give me the impression you have never dealt with the **** we have. But hey, everyone has an opinion on **** that will never, ever, ******* matter to them.
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#18 - rupok (09/19/2015) [-]
1. Healthcare is a competition issue, there is no competition for health care insurance providers cause of lobbyists, govt funded healthcare is **** with long ass wait times, you might as well die before u get past the waiting list.

2. Illegals are stealing jobs, there are 11 million of them and a significant are working under the table and its not just agricultural jobs, its underhanded jobs from business owners who wanna save a few bucks. Not only that the 200 billion being spent every year to take care of medical and other needs is true.

3. Planned parenthood is a baby organ harvesting program using "women services" is a cover, there are videos of them harvesting organs from live babies or fetuses. the reason its a big issue is because of this, many of the candidates say they will fund other woman services instead of supporting these gruesome practices.
Also literally all the candidates support abortion due to rape, incest and other horrible cases.

Every bernie or these idiotic posts are full of misinformation. Keep drinking that sjw/reddit koolaid.
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User avatar #19 to #18 - ThatFatMummy [OP](09/19/2015) [-]
This "video of 'them' harvesting organs from live babies or fetuses" is fake. The baby was edited in.
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#21 to #19 - rupok (09/19/2015) [-]
The video was edited however the claim has some truth. They are selling parts of younger fetuses for "medical reason". Where there is profit like this selling fetus parts, you bet your ass it will be abused.

Also it is not "fake" it is "edited" to make a point, there is a difference. It is however using valid sources for comment. If not defunded it should be looked into other than some hugely liberal biased blogger websites calling it "fake".
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User avatar #23 to #21 - JHoYouKnow (09/19/2015) [-]
What do you think they do with the fetuses? Like, you put medical reasons in quotes, but what other reason does a person have for buying a fetus?
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#25 to #23 - rupok (09/19/2015) [-]
Since harvesting fetuses is profitable it is encouraged to sell fetuses through abortion and there will be people despicable enough to take advantage of it. It will lead to abortion being extremely advertised as the best option at all times because of the profit these places make. They may even pass off profit to people who they take the fetuses from and you can't tell me there aren't horrible women & men who wouldn't take advantage of that in this world. There are people that kill their own babies after having them.
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User avatar #33 to #25 - semiprogravy (09/19/2015) [-]
if abortion was government subsidized the clinic employees would receive salaries and therefore there would be no incentive to unnecessarily kill children for profit
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User avatar #27 to #25 - JHoYouKnow (09/19/2015) [-]
Do you actually believe this stuff? Have you ever met a women who has had an abortion? Or any person who works at PP? Also, you didn't answer the question of who is buying the fetus. How does this become profitable to you?
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#28 to #27 - rupok (09/19/2015) [-]
Who is buying the fetus? Nobody is buying the fetus but selling parts of the fetus like tissue is a profitable business just like selling organs is. It is a medical commodity. Why is there a hard time understanding that?
That's the point. However unlike selling organs, this business is highly profitable because of the ample supply if these medical systems encourage abortion is the end all solution to unplanned parenthood which is exactly what is being done.

And please spare me the "have you meet this good people?". Thats not the point, the point is there will be people taking advantage of this system because the profit involved selling this medical commodity coming from fetuses.
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#42 to #23 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
A Foetus is considered an incredibly valuable resource in stem cell research and even vaccine development, but getting hold of them for research is retardedly difficult because "muh pro life". I'm sure black market transactions really do happen given how impactful stem cell research can be. The only reason their valuable is because people (especially bible bashing American christians) pressure governments to enforce destruction of unwanted foetus's because **** using them for something worthwhile.

So yes, a foetus is worth a lot of money, but abortion clinics are not some sort of foetus abattoir where they pawn them off the highest buyer and if you believe they are then you're as retarded as the Libcucks.
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#44 - anon (09/19/2015) [-]
that moment when you'll tax those who worked hard their entire life intp oblivion.

that moment when you want to promise everyone free college thus degrading the value of a degree. masters degrees will be like bachelors are now and doctorates will be like masters are now.

that moment when you propose to DOUBLE the US' debt in the next 10 years. that's right 18 trillion

that moment when you haven't changed your views on any topic in 30 years... except that paper you wrote about women wanting to be raped and gangbanged, that was totally different.

that moment when you cater to the poor and minorities while also ensuring they'll stay poor with your ludicrous policies

that moment when you speak out against wall street but had voted to keep wall street rich and the protesters poor 5 years ago.

that moment when you're the ********* human being alive right now and people don't realize because they believe they deserve more for doing jack **** and your whole campaign is about promises that cannot be kept so faggots can sit at home all day pretending like they do something other than use their crippled dad's loose asshole as a fleshlight.

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#60 - asotil (09/19/2015) [-]
When have no ******* idea what taxes and black people are or how they work
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#57 - stonecore (09/19/2015) [-]
Black life's matter protesters kicking Bernie off the stage like
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User avatar #55 - mrjweezy (09/19/2015) [-]
And where exactly are we gonna get that money for free healthcare,better education, and higher paid teachers?
How are we gonna make all these things that cost a lot of money free when we are trillions in debt?
Or are you just going to do what Obama does and make bad call none stop?
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#53 - koneella (09/19/2015) [-]
When they destroy towers, to get a reason to attack irak.
When they create a PLL virus to destroy nuclear plants, to get a reason to attack iran.
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#41 - frostbeard (09/19/2015) [-]
That's the plan
Not enough to pay off everything, but just enough to make you crawl in the depths of their debts
 
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