>what if we treated real illness like mental illness
honestly we'd have thousands of "self diagnosed" cancer survivors bitching about how they deserve the handicapped parking spot
This site is better at turning every content into some way to gripe about "those damn sjw/attention whores" than trump is at not getting stumped jesus christ.
I assume you mean the reverse, mental illness like real illness.
And we should. It's called chemical imbalances, friend. It's real, and sometimes treatable. One should take it seriously, especially with others. Yes, some people will fake it, but that shouldn't change how you treat people with real clinical depression.
Actually it lasted for about 5 years, and it began when my lover and soon-to-be wife died in a car crash. Haven't been able to build a serious relationship with another woman since then, as it brings back memories of her and I feel the depression trying to make a comback.
Well I will have to admit I didn't do much research on these two. What I know about them is what other suferers told me. So yeah, it could've been grief.
Trust me, if you had depression you wouldn't have just snapped out of it magically, in much the same way someone isn't spontaneously cured of dementia.
Then what's it called when the whole world seems grey, nothing seems to bring you joy (it just deepens your missery), and you're just so tired of your life that you'd rather end it?
I know depression sucks, and I know that not everyone can simply snap out of it. I'm just saying that it can be done.
You were extremely sad or had another problem, but not depression. With depression you can't just wake up one day and go "welp, time to not be sad anymore". It takes a **** load of time to "fix" depression. No one can simply snap out of depression because that's not how the human brain works.
Depends. For people with situational depression, that's generally true. For people whose depression comes from a hormone imbalance, it certainly helps, but there is very little chance that they will be able to get over it without giving it serious attention (going to a therapist, taking meds, etc.)
Ehh, I have no idea if I'm really depressed or not and Im not going to self diagnose, but part of the problem is not finding joy in anything anymore. Stuff that I used to like or should like, just don't do it for me anymore. I have no motivation to do things that I even enjoy doing. I try to get out and get my mind off it, but it seems to follow me. I just cant get it out of my head. I recently took up hiking and biking, that does seem to make me feel a lot better and helps me focus on the positive. I also see a therapist and take medication at the moment. Hopefully they wont need to be permanent. I want to work on getting better, it just takes time.
If you actually have depression though, the problem is you don't have the energy or effort to get up and do **** , and taking your mind of it momentarily isn't that great, as soon as you go home and are left with yourself again you feel dreadful. it's not as simple as going out once and you're cured, you have to keep it up and keep meeting people until you do finally feel not **** with how things are
that's the end goal
that's like saying "the best way to learn a new language is to already speak it"
part of the definition of depression is being unable to do things like that
which, you're right, does make itself worse
hence the "spiral" and other ****
only time and medical attention will heal mental illness
mostly time
It's more like saying the best way to learn a new language is to try speaking it. which it is.
The best way to get over your depression is to force yourself out of bed and force yourself to try and get engaged in a few things. You're not 'unable to do things' you just feel a deep anxiety towards doing them and don't 'want' to do anything. It's 'hard' to force yourself through a depression but it sure as hell isn't impossible.
Actually while depression and anxiety are co-morbid they're a different set of symptoms. If you're talking about just depression, the problem isn't that the person feels anxious about things it's that they have no energy to do things. Also the best way to get over depression seems to be changing your view of things (Which is what most Cognitive Behavioral therapists would help with if you elect to go to therapy) and sometimes medication if it is deemed necessary or helpful.
No, he has a point.
Depression causes people to have no motivation to do things, not makes them unable to do those things. Depressed people who have, for whatever reason, done something tend to get better, and eventually recover.
The trouble is getting people to do those things. It's a solution, but not necessarily one all depressed people can do by themselves. That's why it's important for friends, family and doctors to support Depressed people - to try and get them doing something to take their mind off of it.
This doesn't work for all types of Depression. Severe Depression (very rare) may require medical assistance or even electroconvulsive therapy.
The best way to learn a new language is to use it. Not to speak it fluently first go, sure, but not to go "I can't speak it, so I won't try".
Man, most people in this comment section are straight ignorant. Depression is caused by your brain reuptaking too much serotonin. End of story. This, in turn, causes a hormone deficiency which leads to the feelings that depression brings. This is why second generation antidepressants, known as SSRIs(Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors) are used to treat depression. There is no way to will yourself completely out of depression, it is a physical illness. If you have, then you either weren't depressed or have fooled yourself into thinking that being happy is the same as not being depressed. If you were depressed, and supposedly overcame it by will or change of circumstance, you still have the physical causes for depression, but none of the external factors that were making it worse/unbearable. You can be happy and depressed and you can lead a successful life while being depressed. But, just because you were able to alter(not get rid of) your depression with a change of mindset, doesn't mean that everyone can. Some people even have to go as far as to get electroconvulsive therapy to treat it, something that no one would do just to be whiny.
SSRI's are also used to treat anxiety. Powerful anti-psychotics are also sometimes prescribed for either anxiety or depression. The point is we don't actually know what causes depression. We think it's because of serotonin but on the other hand most SSRI's take about 6 weeks to actually take effect, which is strange because we know the medication effects the brain immediately. SSRI's are also only marginally more effective than talk therapy (which is possibly explained by the placebo effect since in any study a patient would experience some of the very noticeable side effects of SSRI's as opposed to the lack of side effects with the placebo) As of right now it's not even certain if it is physical, emotional or some combination of the two.
I swear, every time someone says this **** , I want to hit them. The vast majority of depressed people are not clinically depressed. They're just dealing with their ****** lives. They don't have a serotonin imbalance, they have problems. Problems, which they don't even try to fix or overcome, because someone idiot on the internet said all depression is clinical and you can't cure it.
It's like obesity - 1% have a genetic disorder or something else, which makes them unable to lose weight, so the other 99% pretend they have it too and use it as an excuse to not fix their problem. 1% of depressed people suffer from the physical depression you described, the rest have mental depression, which can be helped, but use the 1% as an excuse to not try and fix their problem.
I take medication, go to weekly therapy, and meditate every day to control my dysthymia.
It has affected my life for years and will probably continue to for a long time.
Then some ******** on FJ writes comments about how he is more knowledgeable than the armies of doctors/researchers who have created mountains of medical research on depression, saying 99 out of 100 depressives just don't want to fix their life problems
I almost feel bad for you, because I can tell you THINK you are SO correct, when you really have no idea what you're talking about
Basically it's just becoming aware of your body physically, then moving on to thoughts and emotions. Not "clearing the mid" of thought, but just being aware of what you're thinking.
I know it all sounds weird and hippy-like, but studies show that habitual meditation legitimately changes the mind chemically
If you're not clinically depressed, you are not suffering from depression. If something in your life is causing you to "act depressed", then that is not depression. You are just sad, angsty, or some other **** . Depression has no cause, except for the lack of serotonin. With depression you could be making $50k a year and have a beautiful wife, and still not be able get out of bed for weeks. Like I said before, if your emotional state can be changed through sheer will or circumstance shift alone, IT IS NOT DEPRESSION. It is a physical disease with a physical cure, and it's assholes like you who go around pretending to know what they're talking about that prevent people from getting the help they need.
You do realise that 100% of people with depression have depression...
And depression is not just a fancy word for being bummed out a lot, it's about the way you view the world, which leads to problems.
Oh and I have both depression and ******* problems, and I can't do **** about my problems.
"I had a paper cut" As preserved by the self indulgent little **** who thinks no one could EVER possibly have gone through what he's going though. It's not even feasible to think that another person has a stronger will then you. It's totally impossible to force yourself out of YOUR unique special depression because absolutely no one else has ever felt the depths of dispute and loathing you and your ignorant ass is feeling right now.
Getting real tired of these depression circle jerks, only those who are depressed can understand, no one else can, no one else has ever had this problem. I've been depressed, it sucked but I got up and moved on and did **** . There are millions of people who get depressed, just as bad as your stupid ass, and you know what they do? they move the **** on and don't make a self serving ******** comic about it.
Though I can understand your opinion - I hate the people who like to drown in their depression - it isn't always as easy as you describe it. Normally I'm an optimist but when the feelings got me there is nothing I can do.
I'm bipolar and sometimes when i'm depressed it not just feels like being sad or desperate but I'm feeling like a train without breaks which is going with full speed straight into a wall and there is NOTHING I can do. I walk and walk and walk in circles, cry like hell and want to hit my head into the wall until the ******* feeling stops. It's nothing like a light depression.
I've had that ******* feelings since more than ten years now and there's a good chance that I will have that **** for the rest of my life even with hardest preventative medication. You don't know **** so shut the **** up please. Thank you.
It's nothing like "well, I decide I will do everything to be happy now" - because it is caused by an unstable hormonal balance. It's more like a form of "diabetes" of the brain which leads to depression.
It isn't physically possible to 'just get over' depression. Depression is a physical imbalance in your brain. The problem is that everyone uses the word depression to refer to sadness, which is a completely different thing. Also self-diagnosing.
See, there's two types of depression - clinical and emotional. Clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain. Basically, that lazy **** stops producing all the chemicals that make you feel happy, so you're constantly sad and have no energy. If you've got that, TOUGH **** ! You're stuck like that. Peelz help a bit, but not much. I recommend 9mm aspirin. Luckily, this **** is rare. REALLY rare. Maybe 1% of depression cases are caused by it.
The second kind is the emotional kind. It's caused by traumatic events - loss of loved ones, failure of an endeavor, you realize how you're never going to amount to anything in life, you were a soldier and had to shoot a 10-yearold. That sort of stuff. It sucks just as bad as clinical depression, but the main difference is that it can be overcome. Not with pills, though. Those help a bit, but the main thing is willpower and actively TRYING to overcome it. You CAN do it, you just have to want it. Put in some effort. Don't be a little bitch and stop pushing away people trying to help. Get professional help. Talk to friends. Think about what may have caused it and how you can overcome it. Cause people don't get depressed over nothing. There's always a reason. You just have to pull your head out of your ass, find it and punch it in the throat. But in order to do that, you have to stop being a little bitch. Muster some willpower. Chop that mangled hand off, stop the bleeding, bandage it up, go buy some rum and pretend you're a pirate. That's how people overcome that **** . It's worked for millions. You are NOT that 1 in a million special snowflake who it's not going to work for.
What you write about is a posttraumatic stress disorder, not depression. And most of the rest is wrong or described too simple.
Every depression is caused by an imbalance of one or more of the biochemical messengers (noradrenalin, dopamin and serotonin), the amount of stress you can deal with and familial disposition.
It really isn't rare and there is no difference between "clinical and emotional" depression.
Here some more info:
A. General criteria for a depressive episode.
— The depressive episode must last at least two weeks.
— The episode cannot be attributed to the abuse of psychoactive substances or to an organic mental disorder.
B. Presence of at least two of the following symptoms:
Clearly abnormal depressive mood for the subject, present during most of the day and almost every day, which is altered very little by environmental circumstances and which persists for at least two weeks.
Marked loss of interest or of the ability to enjoy activities that were previously pleasurable.
Lack of vitality or increased fatigability.
C. One or more symptoms from the list must be present so that the sum total is at least four:
Loss of confidence and self-esteem and feelings of inferiority.
Disproportionate self-blame and feelings of excessive guilt or inadequacy.
Recurrent thoughts of death or suicide or any suicidal behaviour.
Complaints about or a decrease of the ability to concentrate and think, accompanied by a lack of decision and vacillation.
Changes of psychomotor activity, with agitation or inhibition.
Sleep alterations of any kind.
Changes of appetite (decrease or increase), with the corresponding weight change.
Mild depressive episode: Two or three of the symptoms of criteria B are present. A person with a mild episode is probably capable of continuing with the majority of their activities.
Moderate depressive episode: At least two of the symptoms of criteria B are present, in addition to symptoms of criteria C until there is a minimum total of 6 symptoms. A person with a moderate episode will probably have difficulties continuing with their ordinary activities.
Severe depressive episode: There must be 3 symptoms of criteria B, in addition to symptoms of criteria C until there is a minimum of 8 symptoms. People with this type of depression present marked and distressing symptoms, mainly the loss of selfesteem and feelings of guilt or worthlessness. Suicidal thoughts and actions are common, and a number of somatic symptoms are present. Psychotic symptoms can appear, such as hallucinations, delusions, psychomotor retardation, or severe stupor. In this case, it is called a severe depressive episode with psychotic symptoms. Psychotic phenomena such as hallucinations or delusions may or may not be mood-congruent.
To be honest i used to be depressed back in high school but at some point i came to ask myself why? why? am i depressed? because my grandparents died? because my parents divorced because i walked in on my dad with another woman and i told my mother like i thought it was nothing because of my lack of understanding? because my mum kicked me out to live with my dad because i got suspended for the Xth time? Because i got put into a family where my 3 year old step brother is spoiled to the extreme while i'm treated as the middle child?
but then i i thought to msyself, is being depressed really gonna fix anything? won't it just make things worse? i look like **** i alienate everyone around me and i'm not gonna get anywhere in life like this.
I wanted to be happy and achieve something one day. I didn't want to be another goddamn ******* hole in the ground with a Ridiculous Farce of a funereal with people who actually cared enough to ******* show up or to put up appearances.
After that i started to take steps towards being a happier person. in my opinion at the end of the day it's a choice to be depressed if you actively WANT to be happier and enjoy things and you REALLY put in the effort things can easily start to come up better, look away from the things causing your ailments and think of the positives to each scenario. if there are none what the **** are you doing? bail on that **** . and for the people who don't enjoy anything anymore and just find **** boring? go on a holiday. somewhere amazing. somewhere you've never been somewhere new with different standards and scenery than your day to day ******** . something bad happened and it's making you depressed? drop that **** too. there will always be a new horizon. there might not be something to look forward too right now but there will be. and if not maybe you can be something for someone else to look forward too?
i Also didn't really think of myself as depressed until one of my teachers at school talked to me about it. i didn't even know being depressed was a thing. i just didn't care or think of it as a problem i just kinda lived without enjoying much or having friends
Well i still failed school and didn't get a gf till i was 20 becuase of my lack of proper social interaction for 2-3 years and how lazy i was with school because i lacked all motivation and did some reeaaal dumb **** .
You clearly weren't depressed, just lazy, sad, and angsty. Depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in your brain. Your brain reuptakes too much serotonin, causing a serotonin deficiency. This is why second generation antidepressants, also called SSRIs, inhibit the reuptake of serotonin. Real depression cannot be beat by changing your outlook, trust me, I've tried.
Might aswell join in...
For the past two years I've been suspecting that I might have depression. I just can't enjoy the little things like I used to, started being more isolated and introvertic than before, can't get anything done correctly, and generally feel as if some dark aura was looming over me. Even when I laugh at something, find it amusing, it doesn't feel like the actual enjoyment should. Didn't talk to anyone about it except for a guy I met on a music festival a year ago, who confessed that he also thought he had this problem. We shared contacts, and used to talk on Skype from time to time, but after some time he stopped being online. This year I went to the same music festival and I found his friends there, but not him. You propably know how the story goes. We drank a beer in his memory, but since then I've been seriously concerned about depression. For the last few months I've been thinking about all the stuff related to selfmurder. I mean, as long as I think reasonably, I won't risk my life, but I'm a bit scared that eventually something inside me will break and I'll do something stupid. At this point it's not just about losing my life, but rather surviving. What if something goes wrong and I spend the rest of my life on a wheelchair, or in hospital bed?
Haven't spoken about it to anyone else. Still haven't contacted any specialist, who would verify whether I have a problem, or I'm just sad because tfw no gf and other 4chan-like problems.
I don't want to bother my family nor the very few friends that I still have by telling them drectly because I don't know whether they'd laugh me off or think I'm a self-loathing prick. Is there a way to hint them that I might need help?
Dude I am no specialist at these psychic thing but I've been there. Heck I might still be there. This 'emptiness' feel you described when for eg. nothing feels the same and/or satisfying as it did, just hit me hard.
I cant enjoy music, films, playing games and even making art. It feels dull and hollow.
But I got used to it. I still do these thing by habit but they never feel as satisfying as they did.
Suicide was never an option for me 'cuz i hope eventually it will break trough or something. and even though I am 22 and live with my brother, hes not autistic or disabled, he just cant take care of himself alone
Now I just go with the flow, grid the days but nothing fills me with excitement or real joy.
You think a GF would break this state? I have no idea.
Sometimes when I see people being happy because something good happened, I feel like an ungrateful person, because if I were in their shoes, I would be propably much more distanced.
Same as you, I go on with my business hoping it'll get better. Everything around us changes, our attitude might aswell do the same eventually.
I don't really think having a gf would be of any use if I can't be happy while being single. Don't wanna risk that my bad emotions would transfer onto someone else.
Good luck with your art and your brother.
You need to let them know. I suffered with GAD in the sense that I had on anxiety attack for 6 long years. Don't just hint it, outright say it. I've gotten better because I took the time to let them know, and if your family and friends love you, they will help you get the help you oh so greatly need. You are "bothering" no one by admitting you have a problem, but you are bothering yourself and possibly them by holding it in like that, its not healthy, and guess what, a lot of people have a mental defect that tends to have them lose enjoyment in life. In the words of almighty Shia, "just do it!" (by that I mean, get help, not act on your somewhat self hurting ideals.)
We are all in this together, if you ever want someone to talk too, just send me a message, I can be your shoulder, your lighthouse in the storm. godspeed.
Thank you. That made me feel a bit warmer on the inside.
I don't like being a wet blanket, but I just had to throw that off my chest.
I actually do want to tell someone outside the internet about my feelings, but I've never really had a chance to. Outright saying "I think I'm depressed" just doesn't seem to have chance to be taken seriously. I'd prefer if someone in my family asked "how are you?" or "is there something wrong?", but I realized that apparently I'm so good at hiding my emotions, that this way I would need to somehow provoke them to ask me.
Again, thank you for your words. Shortly after posting my laments I expected replies accusing me of bitching rather than showing support, and wanted to delete my post, but you people are alright. Thank you.
okay but seriously, get the help you need. It won't go away by simply ignoring it, many of us have been there, just trust all of us and get the help you need.
say something like, "mom, dad, I think I need some help. I just don't feel joy in things anymore." Such an outcry takes courage, I know it first hand Ben, but I promise you that everything will eventually get better. You'll have to weather a bit of the storm, but theres a thing about bad days, theres always a tomorrow. Be strong, and good luck.
I talked to my mother yesterday. She seemed pretty worried, and advised me to contact a psychologist. Also gave me a huge lecture on groats and other natural products that prevent depression.
So far so good, I guess.
You need to tell someone. I've been there, literally the hardest part of this is asking someone to help you. You have to take that step, and then you'll get on the road to feeling better.
While marijuana might dull the positive and negative symptoms of depression, it sure as hell isn't a cure. The only currently known cures for depression are SSRIs, which stop your brain from reuptaking too much serotonin, and electroconvulsive therapy, formerly known as electroshock therapy, which works for an unknown reason. Source: Abnormal Psych major plus years of trying to treat my own depression with the ganj.
Well, the issue, is again, that many times people will bring it up to seek help, and people will tell the,m its not serious. Which makes the depressed person feel worse about themselves. It just compounds the
Im not talking about the people who say its not serious.
Im talking about, if you see depression as this gross physical representation, clearly you know its an issue. Then obviously instead of people taking it seriously, maybe seek help
*sigh* Seeking help is honestly the single most difficult part. When you were little did you ever hurt yourself and be told to just walk it off or some such? Its like that, but worse because its actually a serious condition. Anyways, yeah, the thing with depression is that your confidence is super low and then someone tells you you're just being a pussy and it gets lower and you sure as **** aren't gonna wanna risk a professional telling you you're an emotional puss
The difference is one actually is 'just in your head' and it's entirely possible for you to overcome it with a force of will.
I know it sucks and it's hard to work through that but it's more than possible.
Also most people go through a bout of depression at some point in their life, **** you and your special little snowflake attitude saying someone elses depression is like a paper cut compared to yours being like having a hand cut off because they're pulling themselves up at the beginning of each day and managing to move forward.
I had a depression like state a while back. When my wife gets like that, I'm always there to comfort her no matter what. When I got like that, she yelled at me and told me I'm acting weird and that I hated her. Then she cried because she thought I didn't want her anymore. Then she would do anything to make me feel guilty about anything so I would be the one comforting her in the end instead of the other way around. I still don't feel much better. Too many details to explain, but paying as anon either way.