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#17 - infinitereaper (11/05/2013) [-]
I just hope we get more shows like Legend of Korra and less shows that require prior hallucinogenic drug use to be made in the future.    
   
American animation has potential to be about more than uncle grandpas and fat 						*****					 who turn their fingers into cats. It has the potential to appeal to a larger/older audience without being bound to rated 7 for toddlers 						********					.    
   
In short, I would love to see America animation grow like Japanese animation has, because I'd love to see the stories people would come up with.    
   
So I hope shows like Korra aren't just rare exceptions, I hope they are just the beginning.
I just hope we get more shows like Legend of Korra and less shows that require prior hallucinogenic drug use to be made in the future.

American animation has potential to be about more than uncle grandpas and fat ***** who turn their fingers into cats. It has the potential to appeal to a larger/older audience without being bound to rated 7 for toddlers ******** .

In short, I would love to see America animation grow like Japanese animation has, because I'd love to see the stories people would come up with.

So I hope shows like Korra aren't just rare exceptions, I hope they are just the beginning.
User avatar #88 to #17 - gantafox (11/06/2013) [-]
what episode is this????
#87 to #17 - comicson (11/06/2013) [-]
except LoK is drawn and animated in korea, by you know, koreans.
User avatar #93 to #87 - infinitereaper (11/06/2013) [-]
The point is that we get more stories/shows "published" in America
#84 to #17 - lawlnope (11/06/2013) [-]
I know I'll get 						******					 for this, but I can kinda imagine Korra goin' Super Saiyan in this....   
   
pic related?
I know I'll get ****** for this, but I can kinda imagine Korra goin' Super Saiyan in this....

pic related?
User avatar #60 to #17 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
Not all Japanese animation (and in fact most of it) is grown up. Most of it is aimed at 13 year olds with unfulfilled hard-ons. There are a few good shows made in Japan, sure, but there are also some good shows made in America.

Also, this is business, so don't expect America to take a route similar like the Japanese one since the animation industry over there has been in a decline for quite some time. Most of their jobs are getting outsorced to China and Korea plus budgets dropping, I see no reason why America would want to follow in on that.

Not that I watch I lot of TV anyways. I only follow 4 shows and two of those I catch when they come out on Bluray.
#85 to #60 - wanicochil (11/06/2013) [-]
I'm just saying that the anime aimed at what you said is minority of anime out there   
   
People got to stop thinking Ecchi is the primary anime genre out there, it's actually quite a small genre compared to the others..
I'm just saying that the anime aimed at what you said is minority of anime out there

People got to stop thinking Ecchi is the primary anime genre out there, it's actually quite a small genre compared to the others..
User avatar #91 to #85 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
I'll re-qualify my statement. Most Japanese Animation is aimed at either 13 year olds or 13 year olds with unfulfilled hard-ons. It's not a quarrel with Japanese animation; most anything is aimed at ********* . Just like most videogames are aimed at bro dudes who rate the quality of any entertainment by either bodycount or how many times did people shagged.

I, unlike most people, don't think that precedence from Japan makes a product more likely to be good or bad. I like some Japanese cartoons, I love other and most of them I can't stand. Like anything.
User avatar #98 to #91 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
You should take a look at my comment below. #92. I think you'll find it interesting. Also if you're looking for more fulfillment out of your media I know some great manga to hook you up with that the anime either doesn't live up to or isn't as good as as well as some great anime.

Hell, I can probably hook you up with some great AMVs too.
User avatar #99 to #98 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
I appreciate it but Japanese animation (or tv in general) isn't my thing. I really liked things like Zero no Tsukaima or Gurren Lagann and I absolutely adored Hetalia. Also, I've watched Lucky Star over ten times (probably)

On a side note, I did try to watch that Attack on Titan when it was on about episode 4. I liked the concept and it seemed like it was moving on an interesting direction. However, I just grew tired of the main character winning all the time.
#103 to #99 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
Winning or whining? Because until like... episode 8 the majority of the series is filled with most of the characters losing in some respect. The only time I can remember Eren ever standing out was with the 3d manoeuvre gear and even then that was a really small thing. Unless you're on about Mikasa which is somewhat valid but even then it is employed quite creatively when you hit the point in episode 7 when the plot really begins to become something unique.

Anyway I'll not go on at you with AoT any more than that. What I will say though is that you're wrong, Japanese animation 'IS' your thing because you seem to like a wide array of different animation styles. Anime is an entire sub-medium with a lot of different genres to it and I think you can see that your issue isn't with the medium, rather with the writing style of the things you've run into and I agree with you, I personally really dislike an awful lot of anime. A lot of it simply is worthless dreck and the stuff that isn't tends to be pretty flawed in one way or another.

It's why I like manga more. Whilst, like anime, the majority is dreck there are also a LOAD of really great stories with writing far beyond most things you find even in the western shows. I'm talking about Game of Thrones/Breaking Bad levels of good writing. What is more, a good manga can just stun you with the detail put into every page. This is another one from Kingdom since I don't want to go in-search of pages from other manga. On one page you've got the massacre of innocent villagers, implied rape, nudity and all for the sake of introducing one of the lesser villains of the series who hasn't appeared since his debut arc in the Zhao war.

I'd recommend you not tar the whole of both sub-mediums with the same brush because the quality is, like with live action, dictated by how good the writer is.
User avatar #104 to #103 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
Yeah, I can get behind that. The experience of watching a TV show is too passive for me but reading is much more engaging. That's why I don't watch a lot of TV shows. I might check it out.

Also, yeah, I meant whining.
User avatar #107 to #104 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
Oh, and most of those series are over 200 chapters long. One Piece is over 720 chapters long at 19 pages each, Alita is probably equivalent in length to just over half of One Piece, Onepunch Man is only 37 chapters long thusfar though.

Oh, Kingdom and One Piece come out weekly and Alita and Onepunch Man are monthly so if you do want to catch up with them and stay with them over time just be aware of that.
User avatar #106 to #104 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
If you're going to go into manga, here are a few suggestions.

Kingdom: It follows the actual historical stories of the warring states period in china. That means the stories you are following are actually, for the most part, about real people. People like General Ouki are a tad embellished to make the story more interesting but they are actual people of the era. The story actually makes learning about history interesting and it's more than just mindless fighting as a lot of large-scale tactics, politics, and historically accurate badassery come together to make an astounding series.

www.mangareader.net/1730/kingdom.html

Battle Angel Alita/BAA: Last Order: The first is a really classic manga sci-fi and it's a really great read. It was cut short, however and the second one "Last Order" picks up the story with the same writer when he got the chance to do more with the series than he was allowed to beforehand. The ending to BAA is ret-conned a little.

www.mangahere.com/manga/battle_angel_alita/
www.mangareader.net/1047/battle-angel-alita-last-order.html

Onepunch Man: One of the funniest things I've ever read. A beautiful perversion and parody of the western-style superhero genre done with a LOT of clever writing, astounding art-work, and a creative flare.

www.mangareader.net/onepunch-man

One Piece: I maintain that One Piece is a really dumb story told by an absolute genius. In the hands of anyone else it would be an insufferable mess but in the hands of Oda One Piece becomes something far more than it would look on the surface. With it's lack of character development, dangling plot-threads, and cluttered story you'd think it were a travesty but no, the characters are great fun, the dangling threads are ALWAYS tied up further down the line, and the story is dense, not cluttered. It's stylised and foolish but well worth the read.

www.mangareader.net/103/one-piece.html

Enjoy.
User avatar #108 to #106 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
Had me at "Warring States" I'm a history nut AND I love Chinese history and culture. Also, fictionalised history rules.
User avatar #110 to #108 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
Oh GOD it rules... so much. Have you ever seen John Green's "Crash Course: World History" on youtube? Great way to learn history.

Oh, and there's a ******** of historical-based manga out there. Kingdom's the best one I've run into thusfar but there are others.
User avatar #117 to #110 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
Yep, that's how I found out about their channel vlogbrothers. I devoured that series in about 4 days.
User avatar #118 to #117 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
O.O You're a monster...
User avatar #92 to #91 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
provenance*
#89 to #85 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
Ecchi might be a small genre but the majority of anime -is- aimed at the younger demographic with more sensible anime being by far the less common.

From shounen battle series to slice of life school dramas to romances to.. you get the idea there's a lot out there other than ecchi but not a lot of it is any more mature than the other. What is more, even when you do run into anime aimed at a more sensible crowd it is often poorly written or not very creative. Occasionally you'll get Ghost in the Shell or Trigun or Cowboy Bebop but not usually.

Take Attack on Titan for example. It's low on sexuality even though the main character is drawn to be pretty hot, it's got a lot of very gritty, creative fight scenes and the plot is well delivered and very much unlike most things we find in the genre. At least that's how it is with the manga. The anime is overdramatic as **** with a lot of moments that are meant to be powerful being ruined by how everyone is screaming at the top of their lungs and how everyone's eyes are popping out and the screen is shaking. The fight-scenes between the titan forms are astounding but for the most part the fighting on the 3d gear is stupid as all hell, showing a complete disregard for the laws of physics and full of retarded moments like that one where someone turns into what is essentially a spinning blade of death and rolls up a titan's arm.

It's more mature and deffinitely better written but to meet the standards of the anime market it needs to dumb itself down a little and scale back on the realism. It still has a LOT of what makes the manga so good and I adore quite a lot of it but you can really see what they thought needed to happen to make it resonate with the audience.

Another example is Kingdom, an absolutely astounding manga, better than most other stories in any genre I've ever encountered. In the anime this is what we see when General Mobu breaks through the Zhao front lines.
User avatar #102 to #89 - wanicochil (11/06/2013) [-]
I wasn't disputing that majority of anime is targeted at younger demographic

But it's not just big tit bouncing all over the place with panty shots 24/7, that is a minority, a very loud minority

I've read the attack on Titan manga, and I couldn't stand the anime cause of how they did it, it just too over the top and urgh all around
User avatar #105 to #102 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
True, but when they get to the scenes with the titan forms I just lose my mind. The animation is superb, the sound design is magnificent, and the tension never lets up. I suggest you look them up on youtube. From Eren running rampant the first time to his fights with Annie, whenever you get two titans fighting each other you're in for some astoundingly good action to supplement the great story and delivery that we get in the manga.

But the big tits, panty shots is actually not a minority, in modern anime most of them have a great deal of revealing scenes, exploiting the female and male forms, blatant sexuality, and all of those other things. It is the lack thereof that is actually the minority these days. It doesn't mean there's not a lot of great stories out there with subtlety and respect for the audience, but you get the idea.
#95 to #89 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
And this is what we see in the manga.

Notice how in the manga it's only a little exaggerated. People getting eviscerated and tossed about by a guy with a big mace. It's forgivable and small in scale compared to most shounen series and just exaggerated enough to make him look like a total beast.

But the anime? Look at that **** ! People flying everywhere, not a drop of blood in sight. Some of them are getting what must be between 5-10 meters of air! Kingdom is a series that keeps relatively close to reality with just a little bit of exaggeration and supernatural elements here and there to make the story feel more like the chinese folk-tales to suit the period of history that it is based on whilst in the anime all of that is thrown out the window because they can't show gore, that would mean the anime would have to be a 15 at least.

Anime have to comply with a lot of regulations which means for the most part it doesn't live up to their manga counterparts. Some of them, like Trigun, were by far and beyond better than their mangas and some, like Hellsing Ultimate, were at least on-par. However the majority fail to capture the benefits that come from the manga leading to a largely impotent and pandering spectrum of work. This also means that people looking for more detail and gravitas end up headed for manga rather than anime which lowers the demand for that kind of thing in anime even further.

It is a shame, but true.
User avatar #61 to #60 - infinitereaper (11/06/2013) [-]
My point is that I'd like to see more shows like Korra/Avatar in the future of American animation. Japan is light years ahead in that respect.
User avatar #62 to #61 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
Then what do you mean with "Shows like Korra/Avatar"?
User avatar #64 to #62 - infinitereaper (11/06/2013) [-]
Shows that tell a story through a visual medium.
Less like like cartoon and more like animation.
User avatar #66 to #64 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
I swear to god I'm not trying to **** with you: I don't get it.
Every cartoon tells a story through a visual medium. Plus "Cartoon" in it's most popular meaning is synonym with animation. The other meaning is "Satyre" which we don't have much in the current animation scene.
#68 to #66 - infinitereaper (11/06/2013) [-]
Compare a show like Attack on Titan to anything on cartoon network.

Anime =/= cartoon Tomatoes and oranges, both fruit but you wouldn't put a tomato in fruit cake.

Korra is more like a novel, spongebob is more like a joke book. Its a very different kind of animation. This is what I mean. I want more shows that tell real stories.
User avatar #70 to #68 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
Transformers, that clone wars show, something called Storm Hawks, as you said the avatar series. A bajillion super hero animations that aim for a serious approach like Spectacular Spider-man, The Avengers and Batman the Brave. Etcetera etcetera etcetera. All of those tell a long, continuing story. I don't watch any of those 'cause I don't watch TV but they're there.
User avatar #71 to #70 - infinitereaper (11/06/2013) [-]
90% of your examples are non original shows. I don't think you get it. It would be cool for people to come up with new material and make these stories in animated form without having to worry to pandering to 5 year olds.
User avatar #72 to #71 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
90% of japanese animation originates as novels, videogames or comic books (manga, if you will).
User avatar #73 to #72 - infinitereaper (11/06/2013) [-]
You aren't popular are you?
User avatar #74 to #73 - thebestpieever (11/06/2013) [-]
Huh?
User avatar #44 to #17 - zzforrest (11/06/2013) [-]
>Japanese animation
>Grown up
While I agree that it's got a lot of complexity with some shows, a lot of them have just too many balloon boobed girls and stupid archetypes and idiotic story lines for me to take them seriously.
Also, yes, I watch Japanese animation often.
#53 to #44 - whyunofeellucky (11/06/2013) [-]
Legend of Korra and Aang are written and directed by americans, but animated by koreans.
User avatar #86 to #53 - snowshark (11/06/2013) [-]
Because there aren't any animation houses in the US as cheap as in Korea. The east has a lot of animation studios so they need to be competitively priced and the US simply can't compete.
User avatar #48 to #44 - infinitereaper (11/06/2013) [-]
Grow and in growth as in becoming a bigger industry
#40 to #17 - tailsx (11/06/2013) [-]
I kind of liked Seven Universe.    
 Meerkats with googly eyes for you!
I kind of liked Seven Universe.
Meerkats with googly eyes for you!
#49 to #40 - fournum (11/06/2013) [-]
And your mother kinda loved my cock.
And your mother kinda loved my cock.


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