>new star wars announced
>feminists looks through previous movies to find anything sexist
>some of the movies have probably existed longer than a lot of them have
>they're running out of **** to get mad at in the present so they're only solution is to get mad at the past
This literally had nothing to do with feminism man. Its Disney that made this decision because of their market, there was no call from any feminist groups to get this costume removed from their merchandise. Disney likely decided to do this because of their brand and what they present to their market, mainly families
It's usually the younger ones. I don't support the ideology, but I will confess that the 15 year old tumblerinas do emit a worse vibe than the older ones.
Except, this isn't about feminism.
It wasn't feminists who demanded slave Leia costume removed, it was "family values" crowd.
Concerned parents who don't want Disney to sell sexualized toys to their precious tv raised, seldom communicated with, offspring.
I agree with you, but most "Slave Leia" merch is being sold to collectors, who are mostly grown men, even elderly (star wars has been around since 1977, some of the fans are long in the tooth) and it doesn't have to be sold in Disney stores, it can be sold through comic book stores and internet, away from children's toys.
Its a very good way to move limited amount of goods.
Honestly, best thing they could do would be license it. Get someone like McFarlane toys to bid on it, and sell through their established network of goods.
That way Disney gets both money and ability to say "It ain't us!" and fans get to have something they want and like.
I'm not complaining though, according to toy collector sites my slave Leia toy figurine trippled in value in last two days.
Yeah but then people are pissed at disney for associating with not-family-friendly businesses like McFarlane toys
In my opinion Star Wars isn't really a family friendly franchise for disney to have gotten involved with, I know there's huge money in it but I just can't see how disney's not gonna **** it up and make their version/star wars related **** far less popular than the old stuff, which will become extremely expensive.
I've found that most of the criticism leveled at the 'feminazis' is quite justified and hence is not a circle-jerk if it's continuing to bring awareness to their incredible ******** .
To be perfectly honest, you're kinda a part of this circlejerk action. It's like a racist having no problems with another racists behaviour. And while I don't condone any kind of harassment online, I would like to point out that the male harassment examples given are experience by extremely famous men. On the other hand, women generally speaking tend to get harassed. Taking for example, the letter I got the other day in which a stranger described to me in detail, how they would like to like my ass and then my armpit. Keeping in mind that, generally speaking, I am a woman of average attractiveness that no one really gives a **** about.
I disagree with Anita's ************* behaviour, but I also disagree with thunderfoots ************* behaviour. Both are doing nothing more than cherry picking, lying by omission and similar, in an attempt to gain power and money.
Has your mum ever asked if your floor was clean, and you said it was because all of the messed was shoved in a cupboard? That is lying by omission. Intentionally skipping over or rewording facts to hide the truth.
Generally speaking, this behaviour you are currently exhibiting. You get all uppity about nothing at all. Although, usually our interactions are more 'men get targeted in divorce court' and similar overly abused stats. In his cherry picking, he is lying by omission. If his cherry picking is not obvious to you, you need to do more research on the subject.
What am I getting uppity about? All I said was that criticism of feminists is often justified due to the large amounts of ******** that they present. So, I'm getting 'uppity' about 'nothing' yet you think that feminism is...nothing too? You can't have an each way bet here.
As for thunderf00ts videos: what omissions is he making, and how do you know this? It's easy to say that he's omitting things and that these things are 'obvious' but you can't even give me a solid example. Not one.
It's obvious to me, because I've actually done my research.
For example, Thunderfoot references a report he says was released by UN for Women. But it wasn't, it was actually released by the UN Broadband Commission, who's only connection to UNW is one member, which isn't all that surprising considering the UNBC has 49 members and the UNW members and contributors are in the hundreds. Furthermore, he claims that this report is seeking to censor the internet, when actually the report uses 'violence against women' online as leverage to recommend community development and specialised training for those in positions to aid victims, such as police officers or counsellors.
That's one example, one and a half minutes into one of his videos.
You haven't really explained how I'm being uppity. Oh well.
Any links to this report? If Thunderf00t is wrong, I'll accept it. But overall through his videos he's exposed many lies that feminists have been using against him.
Nice cop out there Jess. Maybe you should get "lazy/busy" educating yourself more about this crazy new wave of feminism that you seem to be somewhat in defense of.
I literally just watched a video I didn't want to watch to provide you with a long ass explanation of why thunderfoot is in the wrong because you're being a little **** who can't be bothered to do it himself, and you're the type of annoying asshole who continually thinks he's right unless explained in small words how he's wrong. And then you're still right, apparently.
Right now, I'm busy filling out boring ass paperwork for my ******* personal business, and as soon as I finish this I'm going to have to create a report that's roughly 80 pages long, and then I'm going to have to compile a crapload of documents, organise then and anote them, because I'm presenting them to a registrar on Tuesday. So I'm too ******* busy, ok? Google your ******** your damn self and open your ******* eyes.
You're 19 or so, right? Good for you for running your own business but obviously I was talking about your affiliation with feminism. So far, you've brought forth almost nothing to show why feminism is needed in the west or how, again, Thunderf00t is so wrong is his ongoing criticisms. Perhaps if it should be you who needs to "open their eyes" to the real struggles of women around the world that don't have the luxury of a modern secular democracy to run businesses from. That's perhaps where you can channel this poorly directed energy of yours.
You're displaying well why 'feminists' are unable to have reasonable conversations and be taken seriously by the world at large. Seeing as though you are barely an adult I'm sure that when you mature a little more you'll jettison this retarded ideology and channel your energy into something worthwhile.
Your explanation was not "long ass 'and it would have been so quick simple to provide some links.
I only "think I'm right" when presented with enough evidence to conclude that a position is probably true.
Still no real evidence or reasoning from you as to why you think that overall Thunderf00t is wrong. My eyes are open, but most of what I've learned about this 3rd wave feminism leaves me either enraged or in stitches.
Most of FJ, despite their sometimes racist and bigoted attitudes, are actually quite reasonable and are generally pretty egalitarian and reasonable.
Feminism IS the new family values crowd. It's just that their family is supposed to be two transexual dads and a muslim adopted kid. Family values is many things to many groups.
just thought of this what if one of them starts reading a ww2 history book and reads about german woman being rapped post ww2 by russians and become pro nazis
"Rapped". So essentialy, they listened to a few russian versions of Eminem, Biggie Smalls, ect... , and the german women who listened to this russian rapping decided that the nazi ideology was the way to go.
Raping vs rapping happens way to commonly
Ones a form of music, the others a felony
Its not hard
Unless youre not that smart
If youve got two Ps youre eminem
If youve got one P you need consent.
Raping vs rapping well it happens all the time
Ones a form of music, the others a freaking crime
Its not that hard
If you take this song to heart
If youve got 2 Ps youre kanye west
If youve got 1 P youre not
Now im well aware that now and then
A typo can happen
Your finger slipped or your thumb just missed
Its a very common habit
Now im not trying to save the world
No im just trying to say
If you cant tell the difference
They oughta take your keyboard away
Raping vs rapping shouldnt even be a thing
But the internet is full of idiots who need teaching
So when tou find a mindless guy
who makes this wrong offence
The only thing you have to do
Is sing this song to them
**** ... that's hard hitting.
the moment we stop sexualising women they'll complain that they've lost their power, and we aren't idolizing them anymore
**bakagaijin used "*roll picture*"** **bakagaijin rolled image**I say **** it... let it ******* happen.... its like that one stupid kid in the neighborhood who drops a firecracker in a sewage pipe and goes running crying while covered in **** from the backsplash
jesus christ I'm tired. I read your comment and completely thought it through and I still played it at extreme volume... now the house thinks I was beating off:/
Ok what the **** is this from? I used to have a recurring nightmare about these ***** , and I have never been able to figure out what it was from. All I know is I saw it on TV when I was a young kid. They don't look particularly creepy now that I'm older, but for some reason these ****** me up for weeks when I was 6 or 7
yea it would be pretty spooky when your younger.
i remember something about maybe doctor who, or buffy the vamp slayer.
so can you explain why your show got pushed back on next episode release date? or hopefully where i can stream the others?
The others are here teamfourstar.com/, just hover over "shows." The delays are because of scheduling problems with Takahata. However, its not all bad news! After this episode, they are moving production up to two episodes a year. The next episode will come out in November. This is assuming you mean the abridged version, as the full version is entirely out.
While that makes sense, and it this case it fits character, I think just defaulting to "well it's cuz there's a bad guy" won't always be a good reason. But that'd be more like something with extreme violence/abuse, Jabba's toned down and they don't even imply she does anything sexual besides dress up.
that's like for metal gear solid 5 how Kojima went "Quiet is half naked because she breathes through skin, it's nothing pervy I swear buy our figurines"
no it's not. Jabba was an asshole who liked screwing with his slaves, especially anyone who tries to **** him over, like how leia and the gang were trying to do.
Asshole's do asshole-ish things. Stop the ******* presses.
Leia never did anything overly sexual with the costume and she didnt wear it through the entire movie. Maybe it is exactly the same thing but i really dont see it.
I swear I read somewhere that the actress wanted something sexier than the baggy clothing that was picked for her at the time. Could be wrong. Will return with evidence soon.
**aizeinstein used "*roll picture*"** **aizeinstein rolled image** mfw my sister is a femmie
mfw she's in gender studies
mfw she constantly complains about patriarchy
mfw she tries to "correct" my words to control me
mfw I started to swear more just to piss her off
I was a lot more open minded about feminism before. And even though my sis is actually one of the less radical ones , I hear a lot of braindead arguments. And her argument for all these being actually "scientific" is "There are papers about these".
Allow me to eloborate on why that argument bothers me;
- Any actual scientist or science student knows that's a ****** argument. Because article quality differs a lot from paper to paper.
- To add, even the most basic of the social sciences, psychology, has a replication problem about experiments. Earlier this year, the biggest replication study of psychology was published and more than 50% of the experiments couldn't be replicated. This could be due to picking a ****** sample size. And these all were about experiments of the last ten years; meaning they didn't try to replicate old ass studies when pschology was just becoming a science.
- Psychology also has errors about statistical analysis too often. One out of eight experiments contains an error about the p value, which makes the experiment not so trustable.
And this is the most well known and established social science, psychology. I can't even think about sociology and branches of it.
- Another thing is, all social sciences have this thing called interpretation. That's what makes them special and tricky. Considering gender studies is filled with feminists, I'm cautious of the interpretations they make.
- Last of all, all sciences, fundamental and social, have conflicting papers about a subject. Truth reveals itself in time thanks to scientific method though.
That's why, saying "There are papers about this!" is a retarded ass argument. Even in fundamental sciences, there are a lot of opinions. As a bio senior, I can safely say only a person who knows ******** about science can come up with this argument.
Well first, it sounds like you might have some issues to reconcile here. All science involves interpretation to varying degrees, yes even biology. Interpretation doesn't make something bad and it doesn't make something false necessarily. So the standard is to 'objectively' prove your point in this case? Well, just as you believe her to be wrong for relying on interpretation, you're in the same position as her because you have to rely on an interpretation as well. But to the point, thats great! Thats how an issue like this can be understood, through actual dialogue! Taking a purely scientific approach to everything isn't always appropriate in other words, in some cases yes, in others no. So you therefore could never provide an objective scientific response to her idea
Of course biology has interpretations too. We explain seemingly teleogical traits of life in an evolutionary perspective. But mechanisms of evolution is pretty well established. And most important thing of all, we don't give meaning to any biological phenomenon. It's simply explaining the causation under the seemingly teleogical traits.
Social sciences, on the other hand, have three problems about this;
- Sampling size is too small too often. That certainly puts a dent in any scientific effort.
- Social scientists too often try to explain their results by trying to give meaning to them. It's less nowadays, at least in psychology, thanks to neurology backing. But it's still a thing.
- In the case of gender studies, feminism has a sociopolitical agenda. Interpretation and an agenda like this is especially shaky.
I'm all in for dialogue, that's what makes science advance but all sides gotta have some degree of capability for acccepting criticism.
Btw, I gotta add, physics, chemistry, astronomy etc. doesn't have much interpretation in case of providing a meaning about things. Biology at first seems like it has, but that's just on the surface. Evolution can be broken down to a purely causal mechanism.
And I absolutely agree with most of what you have to say here in your reply! But I would also add that I think we have a large disjuncture in the way we think about the production of data.
- So for instance you raise the point about sample sizes. I think we need to consider this question: Should we only gather data for the pursuit of forming a generalizable result? I would say no. So social sciences for example, much of what gets studied is very context specific -- say that we study a group of homeless drug users and want to know why they continue to inject with dirty needles. So you study groups of homeless people in a city and you start to learn about their own reasons and perspectives. What you've learned is specific to them and has tremendous value for a health researcher to figure out ways to improve their well being and health. Its not data that will apply to every single person in similar circumstances but it is nevertheless useful and having a small sample size may actually be ideal, especially if your data can only be acquired qualitatively through ethnography, participant observation etc.
-On social scientists "explaining their results by trying to give them meaning" -- I would say that our results from any type of inquiry are only of value because we give them meaning. In many ways, this happens in the hard sciences as well. So, you have a large dataset of climate records lets say. Well effectively its just numbers and what not, so we look for whats meaningful within this and what is important for us to know and understand further. There could be much for us to know from this dataset but we decide on what is most relevant, not the dataset.
-Your point about a sociopolitical agenda -- I think that as researchers, scientists etc, everything we do has an agenda because we dont bother to do research without a particular reason. Every person who studies issues around gender, feminism etc, does not necessarily have a political agenda, nor do they share the same agendas when they do.
Anyways, sorry if this is long winded! I'd like hear more about what you think about all this man! Im probably off to bed in a few mins tho haha!
It's a nice discussion, mate. I don't mind it being long.
- We got some misunderstanding in the sampling size. Even if you study a particular group -homeless drug users in a city, like you said- you still have to find a large enough sample size to get a significant result and eliminate any chance. I did not mean that we always have to -don't mind the term- find a universal law.
I find bad sample sizes to be source of replication problem a high probability.
Perhaps this could help; www.nature.com/news/first-results-from-psychology-s-largest-reproducibility-test-1.17433
- Meaning might not be the right word, English isn't my main language so I'm struggling a little here. Also, I'm still reflecting on this topic. So, I have to retract my claim about this. I gotta say, methodology of social sciences is tricky.
- Yeah, we all have beliefs and motivations. But, for a branch of science to be dominated by a particular group of people who generally have the same sociopolitical agenda, raises questions. But I can't comment on interpretation anymore for said reasons.
I bet what's more infuriating is that if you tried to explain any of this to her she would 1. consider it false because her brother is explaining it and 2. Isn't intelligent or schooled enough to understand what you are saying.
Yeah, brother thing is certainly plays a major role. Also, self-righteous people tend to not listen to others about the particular topic(s) they're passionate about. For example; a little off-topic but she once called me a monster because I said "Death penalty could be a just thing in an ideal state".
Intelligence is a funny thing. I certainly don't think she lacks that in general, but she clearly lacks in the scientific part. Combine that with self-righteousness and you get a pain in the ass.
Actually its not feminists in this case, its "family values" people.
Complaint was started by a father who's daughters saw a slave leia toy and "/he/ didn't need his daughters seeing this sexualized **** "
Feminists dont really have any credibility anymore, but in this circumstance they dont even have a leg to stand on.
im pretty sure the scene didnt have her in a small outfit, it was her own idea because SHE wanted to show off herself, so she made it happen by running it by the producers
don't try to understand feminist logic
>women can't wear revealing clothing because they shouldn't be sexualized
>nobody should tell women what to wear because they're independent and can do what they want
There's no winning, they just look for any reason to be pissed off so they can forget about how pathetic they truly are