I started out ready to watch 45 seconds and skip to the next content.
Watched the whole thing and it was beautiful. Unfortunately he's preaching to the choir because any feminists will ignore everything he says.
Triggers are ******** . What it is is your brain freaking out about something harmless because of trauma associated with it in the past. Like I am triggered by black turbans because that's what suicide bombers wore a lot when I was in Afghanistan. So when I see someone wearing one back stateside (rare, but they're out there) it triggers that emotional fear response because of my past experiences in Afghan.
But you know what? That's my ******* problem, not hers. I'm the one whose having an issue, so I need to ******* deal with it. It's not on them to stop wearing turbans because it makes me freak out; it's on me to learn that not everyone wearing a turban or sikh or whatever headdress is out to blow me the **** up. I have to change, not them.
That's what really pisses me off about "trigger warnings." If something triggers you, go get the **** over it. Stop expecting other people to adjust so you never have to experience any kind of uncomfortableness.
on the topic of trigger warnings, i've heard a few times of therapists using war video games as a way to cope/deal with a soldiers violent PTSD. i don't know in the grand scheme how well it's worked, but one guy said his Vietnam war veteran father was progressing thanks to it
My dad is a Vietnam vet. He used to play a lot of different games but he used to play Rise of the Triad and Doom a lot. He hasn't played much of the newer games but when he just says "why are you moving around so fast" or "your peripheral vision is too low, that would never work in real life."
I think Jane McGonigal is talking about this and popularising ideas like these about games helping with trauma nad PTSD, throwing that out there if you're interested. From the little I've read so far it's more simple visual games like tetris and mobile gaming than anything else, streangtening their mental focus so they can shut off flashbacks more effectively.
I've read about that kind of therapy and it isn't "reliving" trauma. It is actually recreating or presenting a similar traumatic event in a way that gives the patient a sense of control over it. I read about in a psych class so I'm afraid I don't have any sources but it there was legitimate science.
What has been debunked is therapy that involves recreating "suppressed" memories. Largely because suppression theory has been debunked. Amnesia is a thing, albeit rare, but the brain outright suppressing traumatic memories doesn't seem to happen.
Triggers are things that remind people with PTSD of the **** they've been through and trigger a mental episode, which basically makes them lose their **** . For example, telling someone who got gang raped for a week that there is a rape scene in a movie is a valid trigger warning. Telling a veteran there's scenes of graphic soldier violence in a game is a valid trigger warning. Saying a book has the words "fat", "men" or "responsibility" in it is not a valid trigger warning.
Oi, the word fat triggers me, you neanderthal. It reminds me of the time that fat-ass **** kid landed on me after going down the slide at the pool. Couldn't get the fat **** off, and 10 seconds seems like an eternity when you're being pushed under against your will.
Yeah, this is the thing. I don't like the word triggers, because it just makes me cringe now, but things like "trigger warnings" for things like something that has rape in, or realistic depictions of war or domestic abuse, that I'm all for. trigger warnings for things like the word fat is stupid.
Tell them that you identify as a transgender, lesbian Asian-African red pandawolfdragon-kin and that claiming that you're human, male, white, straight is your trigger. And of course, tell them to check their privilege.
The problem for me is that in this situation he's going into their thing and being a dick. Its not a case of feminist crazies making asses of themselves in public, he's approached them and acted like an obnoxious dick.
To be honest, I didn't feel like he acted all dickey and douchbaggy.
In all honesty, I do feel like he was quite polite and that he did ask his questions as politely as possible and he also did have a point.
Seriously, how are men in a movie counted as a trigger warning, a menstruating Jesus, however, is not?
no ofcourse not
But them doing it first does kill my sympathy when it comes back around
so ultimately, idc if it's a ****** argument
they did it first
It's not like anything significant is happening
There's no violence or even incitement for any, and even one asshole is incapable of socially "damaging" or ostracizing an entire group
They do speak for the whole though
Seeing as they all seem to say the same **** , and dissent is prettymuch not allowed in the banner's ranks, they kind of have to say the same **** by what passes for feminist law
ofcourse individuals vary but that's the thing about feminism, it seems
They prettymuch eliminate individualism and stress groupthink
I mean, I'm sympathetic to where you're coming from, I guess, but please do acknowledge how ridiculous it is to use this "they" stuff to try to group up everyone like that. You're saying that these specific people deserve something annoying/bad happening to them because people who think similarly to them often do annoying/bad things to other people.
Removing individualism and stressing the mob mentality/groupthink stuff isn't good, but neither is putting those words toward them. I think you'll find that a lot of the things denoted as ******** SJW stuff have some merit, and only the real crazies are out here doing this kind of **** .
Well I only really use 'they' because the phrase 'everyone Ive seen who is identifiable as being within this established group overall' is long-winded
I'm saying that these specific people are easily identified as being a aprt of a group which demonstrably eencourages mental and ideological hegemony and aggressively attacks and eliminates any form of diversity therein, their claims for advocation being limited to appearance, and what they deserve is the same unpleasant treatment that their group imposes upon others
So yes they deserve something annoying happening to them, for being clearly identifiable as being involved with a group which is, at it's core, consistently annoying
thus I'm not entirely fussed about being better than them, because I know that I already am, by far, and that occasionally stooping to their level will not be significant enough bad is a bit vague and I don't like what it could be used to imply with broad thinking
What some of the people in this video were doing just wasn't what most people would consider actual feminism. But that's the issue when you have a group/organization with no formal leadership - people are free to claim the label and act however they want under it.
I don't think feminism is consistently annoying. I think SJWs are, of course, for their tendencies to abandon logic.
However, this was, intentionally at least, a feminist gathering. I don't think it's fair to lump everyone here into that group of annoying people, and regardless of that, I don't think stooping to their level or being willing to abandon reason in favor of some petty little "ha! i know you didn't learn anything from being annoyed, but i like seeing you uncomfortable!" is mature or rational.
Declaring yourself to be better than people is edgy and immature. I'm glad I grew out of that phase that funnyjunk seems stuck in.
I stand against the claim that "it isn't real feminism" because, for one, there is no crieteria
Nothing codified and no list of criteria, or requirements for entry
At this point if something is declared to be feminist, there is nothing to rule out it being feminist
But then there is also the problem that, as a statement, it doesn't help
whatsoever
They all declare themselves feminist
They operate under feminist banners and feminist leaders and figureheads
They understand themselves to be known as feminist, and everyone understands them to be known as feminist
At this point they have effectively re-defined feminism by sheer force of presence
Saying they aren't is no longer viable, as it changes nothing about what they do and what they say and the name they give themselves It's useless
Of course, I don't agree with the no-true-scotsman defense for it either.
I'm just saying I hope you don't take a currently-popular sect of feminism as a viable reason to declare all who operate under the feminist banner equally ****** .
Well, yes, but I think that can be chalked up to the nature of these SJWs. They're attention-whores. They soak up all the media attention.
Look at /r/TwoXChromosomes to see very legitimate discussions of very legitimate issues, for example. Or /r/MensRights for the same thing in a different sphere. There are also circlejerky disgusting cesspools of society in /r/RedPill and /r/radfems, and /r/feminism has ****** mods.
A good feminist doesn't need the media focused on him/her to make a difference in the world.
I mean
Sure, but
I don't know if it's possible to be such an attention hog that you straight up make the others under the same name completely invisible
Atleast not without a deliberate effort
And to be honest I wouldn't put it past them, silencing dissent is one of their obvious goals
I don't go to reddit honestly
sort of a hipsterish principle tbh that I didn't want to be a 'redditor' or anything close
All in all I just think that
Feminism has been re-branded, as an absolute
And any "oldguard" as it were should abanbdon the name and pursue their agenda under a better suited name
"They did it first" isn't a mature argument, but maturity does not work with these types of radical feminists. Immaturity is the only way to call out the stupidity and downright hatred of that movement. Guys like you and I aren't about to go to one of these feminist get together things, but I'm not gonna complain when someone else does it and does a pretty good job at it. He behaved himself better than I could have ever dreamed to do, and I consider myself a pretty tolerant guy. Yes, when they acted up so did he, but like I said before, you can't use maturity with these people It goes without saying, but I'm not referring to the feminist movement as a whole, just these ridiculous radicals
Its more like hes combatting crazy with crazy, and you can't deny that he was fairly respectful at first
The absolute WORST part was when I saw the Saga comic for sale by that hat wearing Femenazi, just because it has a "realistic" (Pretty true statement for the most part) representation of women in relationships, and was illustrated by Fiona Staples, who is super talented it really pissed me off. THAT was the point in which I didn't care what he did at the convention, I just wanted it burned to the ground
Oh yes because we have to stop the raping epidemic going on in cafes and restaurants. Thank god we have two bathrooms, one for each gender, to stop that from happening.