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kittykittymewmew (09/19/2014) [-] Im just laughing over the fact that superman's on social media. "Lol totally just owned batman today. Bruce Wayne, Bruce Lame am i right?"
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plasticcup (09/20/2014) [-] You clever **** you. Unless you were serious in that case im not sure anymore. i meant robin is his real son unless you mean night wing
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smaaen ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Probably because I haven't read this, but why is Robin turning on Batman?
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cptdisneyland ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-]
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Injustice: Gods Among Us
Basically a DC civil war. Superman starts taking over Earth, Batman is against him.
Injustice: Gods Among Us
Basically a DC civil war. Superman starts taking over Earth, Batman is against him.
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hellomynameisbill [OP]ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Superman becomes Stalinman
Superman creates regime of tyranny over earth with promise of protection
Batman creates insurgency to reinforce capitalism and democracy
Damian is a ******** who joins superman because he doesn't understand freedom due to his upbringing as an Al Ghul
Damian sides against his father because Batman refused the unjust execution of Arkham's patients lead by superman. which sparked Gotham being stormed by the regime and batman creating the insurgency
Superman creates regime of tyranny over earth with promise of protection
Batman creates insurgency to reinforce capitalism and democracy
Damian is a ******** who joins superman because he doesn't understand freedom due to his upbringing as an Al Ghul
Damian sides against his father because Batman refused the unjust execution of Arkham's patients lead by superman. which sparked Gotham being stormed by the regime and batman creating the insurgency
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somethingpants (09/20/2014) [-] From what I gathered, Batman was legitimately in the wrong somehow. Apparently, so badly that even Robin has to take a stand. But I need to read it to understand what he did exactly.
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kurtr (09/20/2014) [-]
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#116 to #51
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kurtr (09/20/2014) [-]
Sorry, try universal extractor, click ''open all zip and rar files with universal extractor(or something like that). Then double click the comics, click manually choose program(something like that) then select universal extractor and check always open CBR files this way. That'll do the trick.
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kurtr (09/20/2014) [-]
Sorry, try universal extractor, click ''open all zip and rar files with universal extractor(or something like that). Then double click the comics, click manually choose program(something like that) then select universal extractor and check always open CBR files this way. That'll do the trick.
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vortexrain (09/20/2014) [-] It works now, all I needed was a comic book reader. Thanks for the comics!
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/19/2014) [-] I honestly agreed with Superman through most of this comic, and nearly all of his actions were justified.
I think more heroes SHOULD be willing to sacrifice their enemies, innocent people, and even themselves for the greater good; and when someone headbutts you, you just have to headbutt back twice as hard.
On that note, Batman was also a little bitch throughout the entire thing. It's like the guy would be willing to let the entire world die just so long as the guy doing it knew Batman didn't break his 'one rule'. I mean, holy **** , he was more concerned about the enemy aliens killed during the invasion than the hundreds of thousands they slaughtered when coming there
I think more heroes SHOULD be willing to sacrifice their enemies, innocent people, and even themselves for the greater good; and when someone headbutts you, you just have to headbutt back twice as hard.
On that note, Batman was also a little bitch throughout the entire thing. It's like the guy would be willing to let the entire world die just so long as the guy doing it knew Batman didn't break his 'one rule'. I mean, holy **** , he was more concerned about the enemy aliens killed during the invasion than the hundreds of thousands they slaughtered when coming there
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penileburglar (09/20/2014) [-] The point is that everyone *thinks* their morals are the correct ones.
The difference between being a good guy and a bad guy is whether or not you put those morals over someone else's life.
Batman certainly takes it too far to the opposite extreme, given that he'll put himself (and other people) in immediate danger to non-lethally apprehend supervillians. The implication has always been that he knows himself well enough to know things would get pretty bad if he let himself go down that road.
The difference between being a good guy and a bad guy is whether or not you put those morals over someone else's life.
Batman certainly takes it too far to the opposite extreme, given that he'll put himself (and other people) in immediate danger to non-lethally apprehend supervillians. The implication has always been that he knows himself well enough to know things would get pretty bad if he let himself go down that road.
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toosexyforyou (09/20/2014) [-] The point of what? The comics? The point of the comics is definitely not that both heroes are in the wrong to the extremes because it clearly portrays Batman as the good guy and Superman as the bad guy.
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penileburglar (09/20/2014) [-] I didn't say both heroes were in the wrong. I pretty clearly said that Supes was in the wrong and that Batman, while taking it too far the other way, is still in the right. I don't think you actually read what I wrote.
The 'point' was the point the comics were making--that obviously everyone believes in their own views on morality, but not everyone's view on morality can be correct, nor is it immune to corruption, which is why the 'no killing, no exceptions' rule is held so close to many heroes.
The 'point' was the point the comics were making--that obviously everyone believes in their own views on morality, but not everyone's view on morality can be correct, nor is it immune to corruption, which is why the 'no killing, no exceptions' rule is held so close to many heroes.
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penileburglar (09/20/2014) [-] ...First, I literally said not everyone's view on morality can be correct, that doesn't mean no one CAN be correct.
Second, the point is that if you're saving lives and not killing anybody, then you know you're doing good. If you're willing to sacrifice lives, you're only doing good if your morality does turn out to be completely infallible.
Third, when you have to resort to calling someone a ' ******** for not having the same opinion on a comic book as you, you become the kind of person who's not really worth having a conversation with. Have a good one, bro.
Second, the point is that if you're saving lives and not killing anybody, then you know you're doing good. If you're willing to sacrifice lives, you're only doing good if your morality does turn out to be completely infallible.
Third, when you have to resort to calling someone a ' ******** for not having the same opinion on a comic book as you, you become the kind of person who's not really worth having a conversation with. Have a good one, bro.
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toosexyforyou (09/20/2014) [-] Opinion? What? You contradicting yourself isn't an opinion, ******* . How do you figure that Batman's morals are good. When he lets a bad guy live, he's putting other people's lives in danger. There is no 1 true way of correct morality.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Which is a massive failing on the comics' fault, might I add. It would have been MUCH more interesting on an ethical and philosophical perspective if they let the reader decide who was right and who was not. Unfortunately, it's made very obvious which side the author wants you to choose.
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Riukanojutsu (09/20/2014) [-] >dat spoiler
its like you missed the entire point of the thing on purpose
its like you missed the entire point of the thing on purpose
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Riukanojutsu (09/20/2014) [-] Batman fears that superman will stop being a hero and start being a villain because hes forgot his principles. Which he then proceeds to do.
Batman is all about ideology and principles. Its not that hard to see. Hes against killing because he beleives not killing is the diference between good guys and bad guys.
Batman is all about ideology and principles. Its not that hard to see. Hes against killing because he beleives not killing is the diference between good guys and bad guys.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] See spoiler in comment #81. Batman is also one of the biggest pansy asses to exist in comics. He's willing to let millions of people die just so everyone knows his moral righteousness is intact. That's not the behaviour of a hero, that's the behaviour of a Sociopath and a Narcissist.
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Riukanojutsu (09/20/2014) [-] Its not about his mental righteousness but superman's
and hes right. superman does go uberevil.
I mean **** , he joins the sinestro corps
and hes right. superman does go uberevil.
I mean **** , he joins the sinestro corps
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Sinestro Corps aren't evil though, they're just fascist. Just as well, Batman REALLY isn't the guy I would be taking tips of righteousness from, considering he would rather let innocent people die than take a life if the choice was forced on him.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] "Sinestro Corps aren't evil though, they're just fascist"
Mate, you just went full retard
Mate, you just went full retard
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] The Sinestro Corps were made in order to gain control and authority through fear; and Sinestro himself desires control and authority because he is a perfectionist who believes that only through absolute control can universal peace be achieved. Don't be butthurt because I know more about the series than you.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] It doesn't matter if you know more about the DC universe than me (although after a quick glimpse it's quite easy to realize what the Yellow Corps stands for), but you're still a ******* retard.
Why? Because you apparently see nothing wrong with "control and authority through fear" or concepts like "only through absolute control can universal peace be achieved"
I'm sorry, but you're either a dumb-ass 14 year old or just plain moronic.
Why? Because you apparently see nothing wrong with "control and authority through fear" or concepts like "only through absolute control can universal peace be achieved"
I'm sorry, but you're either a dumb-ass 14 year old or just plain moronic.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Ah, so now it's "You're stupid because you don't agree with me". That's nice.
In any case, how would you gain control if there was no other way? How would you stop people from fighting and get people to listen, the same people who, really, just didn't WANT to listen. I believe the ends justify the means in nearly all circumstances and that a true hero should be someone who is able to sacrifice their own 'heroism' in order to become a villain when needed
In any case, how would you gain control if there was no other way? How would you stop people from fighting and get people to listen, the same people who, really, just didn't WANT to listen. I believe the ends justify the means in nearly all circumstances and that a true hero should be someone who is able to sacrifice their own 'heroism' in order to become a villain when needed
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] "I believe the ends justify the means in nearly all circumstances and that a true hero should be someone who is able to sacrifice their own 'heroism' in order to become a villain when needed "
No, I don't call you stupid for not agreeing with me. I'm calling you a full-blown idiot because that's what you are.
Btw, you might want to move out from wherever country you're from and go to Russia or North Korea. They seem to be actually implementing those "ideals" you so love.
But hey, it's so easy to talk about dictatorships & be a total nut, when you're living in a democratic country, right?
No, I don't call you stupid for not agreeing with me. I'm calling you a full-blown idiot because that's what you are.
Btw, you might want to move out from wherever country you're from and go to Russia or North Korea. They seem to be actually implementing those "ideals" you so love.
But hey, it's so easy to talk about dictatorships & be a total nut, when you're living in a democratic country, right?
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] You're just repeating yourself. "You're an idiot!" "Why?" "Because I say so!". It IS because I don't agree with you because if I used this same logic for Batman's side, you'd be brown-nosing me like no tomorrow.
1. I never said something was wrong with the place I lived in.
2. Russia is not interested in is people, but its territory; and North Korea is interested in the control it HOLDS over the people rather than the people itself; so neither of those countries work.
3. You're using ad hominem attacks
1. I never said something was wrong with the place I lived in.
2. Russia is not interested in is people, but its territory; and North Korea is interested in the control it HOLDS over the people rather than the people itself; so neither of those countries work.
3. You're using ad hominem attacks
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] "It IS because I don't agree with you because if I used this same logic for Batman's side, you'd be brown-nosing me like no tomorrow"
No, it's not because I don't agree with you, it's because the complete brain farts you blurt out and call them "ideas" are moronic as ****
Once again - "Sinestro Corps aren't evil though, they're just fascists". If you REALLY don't see absolutely anything wrong with that statement alone, the world would be better off with you jumping off a bridge.
No, it's not because I don't agree with you, it's because the complete brain farts you blurt out and call them "ideas" are moronic as ****
Once again - "Sinestro Corps aren't evil though, they're just fascists". If you REALLY don't see absolutely anything wrong with that statement alone, the world would be better off with you jumping off a bridge.
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Riukanojutsu (09/20/2014) [-] Iunno man.
You say not wanting to kill is really bad but it makes sense.
Killing is bad.
Batman's nemesis are a bunch of mentally unstable freaks. What do you think keeps batman from falling into madness? His principle without a doubt.
You say not wanting to kill is really bad but it makes sense.
Killing is bad.
Batman's nemesis are a bunch of mentally unstable freaks. What do you think keeps batman from falling into madness? His principle without a doubt.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] That still doesn't make him any more of a fit hero. Killing may be bad, but there's also something called 'ends justify the means' and 'lesser of two evils'. Sometimes bad things must happen in order to prevent OTHER bad things from happening; in the Injustice comic, the only difference between Superman and Batman is that Superman is actually willing to sacrifice his FOES to see world peace, as well as his allies. Batman is not.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Look, you want to really blame something for not putting the super-villains out for good?
Blame the justice system! If they are too stupid to implement the death penalty for actions as terrible as Joker's & co, where's the heroes' fault then?
Oh, for not taking justice into their own hands?
So you'd be perfectly OK for a bunch of individuals, with powers far greater than that of any man, literally GODS compared to the homo sapiens, would start ignoring human laws because they deem it better? All the while swearing that their presence on a human planet is solely so that they could protect it?!
Superheroes ultimately can't protect humanity from itself, neither can they start governing it, because that would stand against their very hero principles themselves, taking away free will from humans.
Batman & co are wise enough to understand that, the Boy Scout in Blue & co have their heads way too jammed in their super-panties to ever realize that.
Blame the justice system! If they are too stupid to implement the death penalty for actions as terrible as Joker's & co, where's the heroes' fault then?
Oh, for not taking justice into their own hands?
So you'd be perfectly OK for a bunch of individuals, with powers far greater than that of any man, literally GODS compared to the homo sapiens, would start ignoring human laws because they deem it better? All the while swearing that their presence on a human planet is solely so that they could protect it?!
Superheroes ultimately can't protect humanity from itself, neither can they start governing it, because that would stand against their very hero principles themselves, taking away free will from humans.
Batman & co are wise enough to understand that, the Boy Scout in Blue & co have their heads way too jammed in their super-panties to ever realize that.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Part of being a hero is sacrifice. If a country or state does not have the death penalty, but it's obvious a certain member of the world would be better off dead, the hero should kill them and just take the heat.
Yes. I would trust that these beings, who see conflicts and evil around the world every day, would know better than anyone about what is best for the world. Just as well, they're obviously good natured simply for the fact that if they weren't, they wouldn't even PRETEND to be concerned about people, and only take what they feel they deserve; something power tends to allow you to do.
It's not taking away free-will any more than imposing a law is. Just because a being is super-powered does not make them any more or less of a political force than anything else; and as I already declared, part of being a hero is sacrifice, and that includes being a villain when necessary.
Batman is the last person I would take advice regarding righteousness from considering he'd sooner let innocent people die than take a life if the choice was forced on him.
Yes. I would trust that these beings, who see conflicts and evil around the world every day, would know better than anyone about what is best for the world. Just as well, they're obviously good natured simply for the fact that if they weren't, they wouldn't even PRETEND to be concerned about people, and only take what they feel they deserve; something power tends to allow you to do.
It's not taking away free-will any more than imposing a law is. Just because a being is super-powered does not make them any more or less of a political force than anything else; and as I already declared, part of being a hero is sacrifice, and that includes being a villain when necessary.
Batman is the last person I would take advice regarding righteousness from considering he'd sooner let innocent people die than take a life if the choice was forced on him.
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tkfourtwoone ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Well then, you've just proven once again you're either incredibly immature or just incredibly stupid.
Either way, it would be folly to try and actually talk some sense into you.
Hoping for the former, don't worry, maybe once you'll get past the mental age of 14-16 you'll begin to see why you should be afraid of the "I have the power so I can do whatever the **** I want mentality"
Either way, it would be folly to try and actually talk some sense into you.
Hoping for the former, don't worry, maybe once you'll get past the mental age of 14-16 you'll begin to see why you should be afraid of the "I have the power so I can do whatever the **** I want mentality"
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] "I totally have an awesome argument that could blow you out of the water...I'm uh..I'm not gonna tell you it though...BUT I REALLY DO HAVE ONE! You're totally wrong, but you just don't...uh, hm..DESERVE, ya, DESERVE to know why, because you're too stupid!"
Good one, man. I bet that works out so well in debate clubs.
In any case, I never said "Power means you can do whatever you want", I said "People with experience are better equipped to make tough decisions" and "If someone has power and cares about people, chances are they really are good people; because if they had power and didn't, they wouldn't even try to pretend". But you can believe whatever you like. Nice talking to you.
Good one, man. I bet that works out so well in debate clubs.
In any case, I never said "Power means you can do whatever you want", I said "People with experience are better equipped to make tough decisions" and "If someone has power and cares about people, chances are they really are good people; because if they had power and didn't, they wouldn't even try to pretend". But you can believe whatever you like. Nice talking to you.
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toosexyforyou (09/20/2014) [-] Completely agreed. Shame to see all the Batman fanboys thumbing you down. If you've read the comic so far and you don't think Batman's a huge bitch then you're stupid as **** .
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] It's fine. I've come to accept that Batman fanboys will think I'm wrong no matter how I put it
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] I'm not saying anyone who disagrees with me is a fanboy. I'm saying that in nearly every conversation or debate I had where I supported anyone BUT Batman, fans tried to claw at my ass screaming "But muh Batman intellegunce. Muh Batman gajuts" as if either of those things make him undefeatable. So I've just grown used to it.
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rufflezrgood ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-]
It's sort of a, "If they start, when do they stop?" type of thing. Superman killed the Joker. Then he was willing to kill thousands of aliens. All this to defend the people. Then, when the people rise up against him, he kills them. To defend them. Since he killed the Joker, Superman's view of who it was and wasn't okay for him to kill became somewhat distorted. He became willing to kill anyone who got in his way, even if it was someone he once called a friend.
This is an actual spoiler right here, just in case if you haven't read the latest Injustice comics. The only reason he didn't kill Black Canary earlier was because she was pregnant. Now that he has the Fear ring, he's only going to get worse.
This is an actual spoiler right here, just in case if you haven't read the latest Injustice comics. The only reason he didn't kill Black Canary earlier was because she was pregnant. Now that he has the Fear ring, he's only going to get worse.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] So? Frankly, you have to do what you have to do for what you think is right; including going to any and all extremes. If you really want to play it that way, by just killing the Joker sooner, ANY hero killing him, you know, one of the worst criminals of all time, ALL of this would have been avoided.
The killing of the Joker was justified, the killing of the aliens was justified, the killing of every supervillain and criminal has been justified BECAUSE they were evil and did bad things; even the lifting of Atlantis was justified, because Aquaman needed to know he couldn't intimidate the world like that and he met with forces beyond his control. The ONLY thing I think Superman went a bit overboard with was when he killed Green Arrow, but holy **** , even THAT could have been avoided if only Green Arrow hadn't ******* attacked him. Don't you see? Literally every action Superman has taken in the comic has simply been a REACTION of people trying to stop him. The more people do to try and hurt/stop him, the harder he tries to make it right. All in all, Batman's only making it much worse.
The killing of the Joker was justified, the killing of the aliens was justified, the killing of every supervillain and criminal has been justified BECAUSE they were evil and did bad things; even the lifting of Atlantis was justified, because Aquaman needed to know he couldn't intimidate the world like that and he met with forces beyond his control. The ONLY thing I think Superman went a bit overboard with was when he killed Green Arrow, but holy **** , even THAT could have been avoided if only Green Arrow hadn't ******* attacked him. Don't you see? Literally every action Superman has taken in the comic has simply been a REACTION of people trying to stop him. The more people do to try and hurt/stop him, the harder he tries to make it right. All in all, Batman's only making it much worse.
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rufflezrgood ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-]
I understand that, but look at what Superman's new defense force is doing to people. He's set up a curfew and everything. He is pretty much running their lives. I get that he is trying to help, but people don't like being controlled. What is he going to do when the unavoidable rebellion occurs? He can't very well kill everyone he is trying to protect. I just think that he'll have trouble drawing a line. If you played or at least read the story of the Injustice game, you saw what Superman did to Billy for disagreeing with him. He's eventually going to drive everyone who believed in his ideals away from him. It's unavoidable.
And Green Arrow didn't try to attack Superman for the purpose of attacking him. There was a massive misunderstanding, and Superman thought Batman was trying to hurt his parents. Green Arrow was just trying to cover everyone else's escape. Had Superman been less quick to assume, things would have gone very differently.
And Green Arrow didn't try to attack Superman for the purpose of attacking him. There was a massive misunderstanding, and Superman thought Batman was trying to hurt his parents. Green Arrow was just trying to cover everyone else's escape. Had Superman been less quick to assume, things would have gone very differently.
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toosexyforyou (09/20/2014) [-] The curfew was also a reaction to Batman's **** so literally everything else you said is just now invalid since you can't come up with a single example of Superman abusing his power without involvement from Batman.
Also, "had Superman been less quick to assume" I don't even understand how you could possibly shift it on Superman assuming here. "Psychopath with weapons show up at my house that's being watched by my parents while I'm not there" I think that we can safely assume they're about to have tea and biscuits.
Also, "had Superman been less quick to assume" I don't even understand how you could possibly shift it on Superman assuming here. "Psychopath with weapons show up at my house that's being watched by my parents while I'm not there" I think that we can safely assume they're about to have tea and biscuits.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Toosexyforyou is correct. I've only read so far as when Alfred kicks the **** out of Superman; but so far, everything Superman has done has STILL just been a reaction based on the actions people take against him. There is literally nothing he's done to abuse his power or be evil on his own accord; every act of evil has been a response to a (even just perceived) greater evil.
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darthblam ONLINE (09/19/2014) [-] I have to agree on the killing of some super villains bit... There's simply nothing redeemable or fixable about them.
But not human folk, like the insane in Arkham Asylum Though the laws in Gotham seriously need some improvement... . He doesn't have the right. Superman should be taking out the constant global threats that are beyond the Earth's laws for good, like Doomsday, Darksied, or Mongul. You know, the alien threats. Seriously, what the **** was bad about Superman wiping out the monstrous invaders from Apokolips?
But interfering with politics, hijacking governments, and telling entire nations what to do is simply wrong. ESPECIALLY establishing your own totalitarian world order.
But not human folk, like the insane in Arkham Asylum Though the laws in Gotham seriously need some improvement... . He doesn't have the right. Superman should be taking out the constant global threats that are beyond the Earth's laws for good, like Doomsday, Darksied, or Mongul. You know, the alien threats. Seriously, what the **** was bad about Superman wiping out the monstrous invaders from Apokolips?
But interfering with politics, hijacking governments, and telling entire nations what to do is simply wrong. ESPECIALLY establishing your own totalitarian world order.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] Yes, we can both agree on that I think. Although to me, Superman only did all that because nobody else could. It's not a matter of "do I have a right to do this" it's "Is it better if I do".
Earthlings can handle Earth just fine; but if they don't have the power to do so something, Superman, as a person with his own opinions and the POWER to change things, should be able to step in, give suggestions, help, and assistance where needed (though perhaps only on a defensive level).
Earthlings can handle Earth just fine; but if they don't have the power to do so something, Superman, as a person with his own opinions and the POWER to change things, should be able to step in, give suggestions, help, and assistance where needed (though perhaps only on a defensive level).
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] She certainly was, young man. If she wasn't such a bitch, perhaps many bad situations could have been avoided...
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atomschlumpf (09/20/2014) [-] I mostly agree with Superman, too. But I think without Wonder Woman the whole thing wouldn't have gone down the drain Just because she wants to **** Supes, too
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hotspace (09/19/2014) [-] I would have to disagree with you, I enjoy superheroes that don't kill more than superheroes that do kill. Not to say I don't like those that do kill, I just enjoy the comics of the characters that don't more. It adds depth to the stories and, in reality, the heroes wouldn't have the right to kill these people because they have no authority to legally. While I agree that some of Superman's actions were justified, I think Batman was just as justified in being horrified over the killings done by the new Justice League.
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anon (09/20/2014) [-] ![Batman Under The Red Hood - Ending Scene [Good Quality]](https://img.youtube.com/vi/7kscfb9XzPs/default.jpg)
This scene from Under The Red Hood kind of shows both sides of the argument. Although I think it's black and white enough that as a human being they have the right to kill people like the Joker that constantly murder people without a second thought. People that have ended hundreds of innocent lives and have no intention to stop, people that are known beyond a shadow of a doubt to have done these things, anyone in the world has the right to put people like that in the ground if you ask me.
This scene from Under The Red Hood kind of shows both sides of the argument. Although I think it's black and white enough that as a human being they have the right to kill people like the Joker that constantly murder people without a second thought. People that have ended hundreds of innocent lives and have no intention to stop, people that are known beyond a shadow of a doubt to have done these things, anyone in the world has the right to put people like that in the ground if you ask me.
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hydraetis (09/20/2014) [-] So they don't have the right to kill but criminals do?
I definitely think Superman went way over the top but for the love of **** , just because they don't have a badge they're not allowed kill someone who regularly and casually wipes out entire city blocks full of people?
I definitely think Superman went way over the top but for the love of **** , just because they don't have a badge they're not allowed kill someone who regularly and casually wipes out entire city blocks full of people?
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/19/2014) [-] But what's a hero worth if they change nothing? It's no different than Captain America starting out as a poster boy for the Military because nobody thought he could make a difference. That's not to say heroes that don't kill don't make a difference; I'm sure they help people and make the world a nicer and safer (though not necessarily better) place, it's just that...characters like the Joker for example, need to die. It's not even an issue of whether he deserves it or not, it's just that keeping him alive costs FAR more lives than would be helped if HE were saved. That's all.
Depth, story-telling, and plot are all well and good, but I really just can't look up to a hero who has a morality crisis while everyone around them is dying. That's why I like characters like Rorschach. He was INCREDIBLY deep and complex, but his motivations were pure and simple: "There is good and there is evil, and evil must be punished".
Indeed a lot of the things the New Justice League did are horrible, including the killing of their own teammates but we have to remember we're not looking at it from the perspective of a citizen, who many would argue that the world is, in fact, a better place to live; but we're looking at it from the view of heroes with morality crisis'.
Also, that's one of the things that really made me dislike the comic over-all, it was just so bias and cherry-picking because the authors WANTED you to agree with Batman and see he was right, and so they made the New Justice League seem far more brutal than it was, simply by the narration of other heroes, than it had to be.
Depth, story-telling, and plot are all well and good, but I really just can't look up to a hero who has a morality crisis while everyone around them is dying. That's why I like characters like Rorschach. He was INCREDIBLY deep and complex, but his motivations were pure and simple: "There is good and there is evil, and evil must be punished".
Indeed a lot of the things the New Justice League did are horrible, including the killing of their own teammates but we have to remember we're not looking at it from the perspective of a citizen, who many would argue that the world is, in fact, a better place to live; but we're looking at it from the view of heroes with morality crisis'.
Also, that's one of the things that really made me dislike the comic over-all, it was just so bias and cherry-picking because the authors WANTED you to agree with Batman and see he was right, and so they made the New Justice League seem far more brutal than it was, simply by the narration of other heroes, than it had to be.
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hotspace (09/19/2014) [-] I see where you're coming from. However, almost all villains are captured and sent to a prison of some sort, at some point during their reign. In a sense, Superheroes are bounty hunters and the courts decide not to kill them. Superheroes tend to hold themselves to a higher standard and to them, a higher standard would be an abhorrence towards killing.
Any superhero can kill and all of them think about it, but they don't, even if they are like wonder woman and trained in war. They do all they can not to kill because it isn't their place. I tend to dislike characters who do kill more because then everything they do because morally ambiguous. It's probably not realistic to paint them like that, but they become too dark in comics.
Also, I do agree that they could have made the new Justice league less brutal and made the story a lot more interesting, if they allowed the reader themselves to decide who they believed was right instead of shoving batman's side down their throats.
Any superhero can kill and all of them think about it, but they don't, even if they are like wonder woman and trained in war. They do all they can not to kill because it isn't their place. I tend to dislike characters who do kill more because then everything they do because morally ambiguous. It's probably not realistic to paint them like that, but they become too dark in comics.
Also, I do agree that they could have made the new Justice league less brutal and made the story a lot more interesting, if they allowed the reader themselves to decide who they believed was right instead of shoving batman's side down their throats.
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captainfuckitall ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] That's just it, though. To me, that kind of mindset is absolutely absurd. I could NEVER let innocent people die and evil people live because "I represent goodness and righteousness. It is not my place. I must be a shining example" simply because I wouldn't have the heart to stand in front of a crowd and give that reason as to why I let a serial-killing mass-murderer escape for the 50th time only to blow up New York. It's just absolute insanity, and I always got the feeling that heroes didn't kill people only because they didn't have the heart to do it and any type of 'moral righteousness' was just ******** they spewed to justify their inefficiency (which is also why I hate Batman the most).
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hotspace (09/20/2014) [-] I see what you're saying, but to me, the idea that after all the trauma that these villains caused not only the world, but the heroes themselves and that the heroes still never kills them, is an amazing concept to me. Also, it's almost never the heroes fault that they escape, it's the corruption within the prisons that allows people to bust them out, like when Bane took over Arkham. As horrible as the situation becomes, the hero never goes against their beliefs. "A man has to have a code" I don't know man, to me I probably wouldn't be able to not kill going through what the villains do either, but that's why I like the heroes that don't, it's amazing their ability to stay true to what they believe.
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zelivingzombie (09/20/2014) [-] I feel like Superman has stopped realizing what matters and he has blurred his own line between right and wrong. Batman had a good point when he said that if you use force to stop the fighting then that solves nothing and I feel like the people around Superman (other than the Sinestro Corps) need to make him see reason
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warlordstuart (09/20/2014) [-] i've read this four times and i still dont get what happened. What did batman do to the watch tower?
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meringueluka ONLINE (09/19/2014) [-] so... what was that really meant to accomplish though? so everyone knows bat is Bruce. what then?
plus couldn't Bruce just stick Alfred in the bat costume and make a public appearance with disused Alfred, i mean, it's hard to deny the physical evidence of the two standing next to each other.
plus couldn't Bruce just stick Alfred in the bat costume and make a public appearance with disused Alfred, i mean, it's hard to deny the physical evidence of the two standing next to each other.
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RageGuyyourmom (09/19/2014) [-]
Its superman saying it though, it would seem pretty reliable...
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destaice (09/20/2014) [-] Wait, can somebody explain this to me?
I get that superman put Batman's real identity on twitter or something, but what's this whole watchtower thing?
I get that superman put Batman's real identity on twitter or something, but what's this whole watchtower thing?
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hellomynameisbill [OP]ONLINE (09/20/2014) [-] he turned the watchtower off.
All they needed to release his identity was a smartphone with 3G
All they needed to release his identity was a smartphone with 3G
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jwfivehundred (09/20/2014) [-]
Realistically, batman would have also hacked their phones and communicators, to make them unusable as well.
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roflstorm (09/20/2014) [-] We JUST got a ******* cease and desist from DC comics no more than 5 days ago.
I swear, f this goes all TheOatmeal on us......
I swear, f this goes all TheOatmeal on us......
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anon (09/20/2014) [-]
deadpoolsupplier.imgur.com/ Here is the source in case anyone cares to read the comic.
