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Lewx ONLINE (01/04/2016) [-] Man, I just didn't care for Ray at all.
She's literally Mary Sue.
Is there one ******* thing she isn't immediately amazing at?
She's literally Mary Sue.
Is there one ******* thing she isn't immediately amazing at?
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BenniEGHR (01/05/2016) [-] Luke Skywalker:
can do the force good
Farmer entire life,
Best pilot in galaxy,
Holds own in sword combat with mega sith man 5000,
blown up death star,
rescues princess from planet fortress,
"Wow luke so Cool"
Rey:
scavenger whole life,
cant the force right away,
good pilot,
fixes things,
Han solo says yes to chill,
hold own to whiney crybaby not as good as vader,
"unrealistic what a ******* joke"
can do the force good
Farmer entire life,
Best pilot in galaxy,
Holds own in sword combat with mega sith man 5000,
blown up death star,
rescues princess from planet fortress,
"Wow luke so Cool"
Rey:
scavenger whole life,
cant the force right away,
good pilot,
fixes things,
Han solo says yes to chill,
hold own to whiney crybaby not as good as vader,
"unrealistic what a ******* joke"
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timoyr (01/05/2016) [-] Easiest way to spot the difference:
Luke- after getting a lightsaber for the first time, gets shot bunch of times by a training droid while getting taught by a Jedi Master.
Rey- after getting a lightsabe for the first time, wins a fight with a Sith (without taking any damage) who has been training for years. Yeah, he was shot, but we only saw it affect the Finn fight. He moves normally after.
I personally don't really have a problem with this. I like most Schwarzenegger and Rambo movies afterall.
My biggest problem with the movie (which is still the best Star Wars movie ever imo.), is that the villain loses the first fight we see him in. Granted that can be a really interesting character moment for him, but I just can't see it being worth it.
Luke- after getting a lightsaber for the first time, gets shot bunch of times by a training droid while getting taught by a Jedi Master.
Rey- after getting a lightsabe for the first time, wins a fight with a Sith (without taking any damage) who has been training for years. Yeah, he was shot, but we only saw it affect the Finn fight. He moves normally after.
I personally don't really have a problem with this. I like most Schwarzenegger and Rambo movies afterall.
My biggest problem with the movie (which is still the best Star Wars movie ever imo.), is that the villain loses the first fight we see him in. Granted that can be a really interesting character moment for him, but I just can't see it being worth it.
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angelusprimus ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] Luke never used hand to hand weapon in his life. And even so after only tiny bit of training he can deflect blaster bolts while blindfolded.
I'm a member of ARMA and I assure you there is a difference between people who never used a hand to hand weapon and people who are trained in one when they take up another.
She iis well trained with a use of staff, if she also lets Force guide her she would be about a half decent fighter with a sword. Against an opponent who is NOT able to focus on his anger, because he just killed his dad, who is shot and has to literally punch his wounds to get adrenaline rush to not pass out, who is weak from blood loss and just got his arm cut by another opponent, realistically she'd have a decent chance.
He seems to move more normally after Finn fight, but he really isn't. He was heavily weakened by then.
And Kylo is not THE enemy. He is a foil for main characters. Half trained sith to combat untrained jedi. More powerful and scary but not a BIG bad.
Snoke is the real big bad, and he hasn't even really tipped his hand yet. Snoke vs. Luke is what I'm looking forward to.
I'm a member of ARMA and I assure you there is a difference between people who never used a hand to hand weapon and people who are trained in one when they take up another.
She iis well trained with a use of staff, if she also lets Force guide her she would be about a half decent fighter with a sword. Against an opponent who is NOT able to focus on his anger, because he just killed his dad, who is shot and has to literally punch his wounds to get adrenaline rush to not pass out, who is weak from blood loss and just got his arm cut by another opponent, realistically she'd have a decent chance.
He seems to move more normally after Finn fight, but he really isn't. He was heavily weakened by then.
And Kylo is not THE enemy. He is a foil for main characters. Half trained sith to combat untrained jedi. More powerful and scary but not a BIG bad.
Snoke is the real big bad, and he hasn't even really tipped his hand yet. Snoke vs. Luke is what I'm looking forward to.
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timoyr (01/05/2016) [-] Darth Vader didn't lose the fight against Obi-Wan, he didn't even the first fight with Luke.
A staff and lightsaber are not the same thing and her being able to train herself to be so good with a staff that she cam beat two bandits could be seen as just another point of jer being too perfect, I gues.
A staff and lightsaber are not the same thing and her being able to train herself to be so good with a staff that she cam beat two bandits could be seen as just another point of jer being too perfect, I gues.
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angelusprimus ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] Darth Vader was a full lord of the Sith and he was the big bad for the first movie. He serves different narrative than Kylo.
Vader is the The Dragon. Scary, nay unstoppable right hand of the Dark Lord. Kylo is The Foil, Foil is here to dark mirror the hero. Foil is never as dangerous as The Dragon, they serve a different purpose.
And who says she taught herself? We don't know anything about her past, she could have had training in staff combat.
Vader is the The Dragon. Scary, nay unstoppable right hand of the Dark Lord. Kylo is The Foil, Foil is here to dark mirror the hero. Foil is never as dangerous as The Dragon, they serve a different purpose.
And who says she taught herself? We don't know anything about her past, she could have had training in staff combat.
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BenniEGHR (01/05/2016) [-] tbh Rey has more melee training cos she ***** about with a staff her whole life, not 20 mins of being booped by a laser testicle.
I like Luke and I like Rey, but I don't see why people call her a Mary sue when its obviously not the case.
its comes from people who see any female or black or whatever character to be pandering to a certain audience. I thought it was a good film and the characters fun.
I like Luke and I like Rey, but I don't see why people call her a Mary sue when its obviously not the case.
its comes from people who see any female or black or whatever character to be pandering to a certain audience. I thought it was a good film and the characters fun.
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anon (01/05/2016) [-]
You're assuming she uses that staff in combat. We only see her using it the one time, outside of intimidation, and it was sub-par. Even then, using a staff if completely different from using a sword. Luke spends time training with it, both on the milennium falcon, and then months on Dagobah working on both saber technique and the force, with both times under the tutelage of a jedi master. And at that point, he still wasn't that great. Didn't do more than lift his xwing and parry a sith apprentice a few times, before getting his hand removed, and then he talked through most of his last encounter, which would have resulted in his death if Vader hadn't switched sides at the last moment.
Also, **** you for trying to cheapen my valid opinion by blaming it on racism/sexism when that's as far from the case as possible. Way to straw-man it up, jackass.
Also, **** you for trying to cheapen my valid opinion by blaming it on racism/sexism when that's as far from the case as possible. Way to straw-man it up, jackass.
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angelusprimus ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] Actually the way she handled the staff in combat was classic Liechtenauer style and was extremely well executed. If you think that's subpar you obviously have absolutely no idea how staff combat works.
And second, while using staff is different than using the sword, anyone who has training in european martial arts will tell you that knowledge crosses over in many ways. Most important being stance and timing.
And your "valid" opinion is just same repeat of same stupidity.
Yeah Luke after few months of training (where he used a hand to hand weapon for the first time in his life) lost to one of the most powerful sith lords who ever lived, in a combat where Sith Lord chose time and place of the fight and was on top of his game.
While Rey, who had years of training in close combat fought a man who just killed his father, was shot, was bleeding and had to inflict pain on himself just to stop himself from passing out. And who had just got his sword arm cut as well on top of all of that.
You are calling her Mary Sue because you want to, not because she was portrayed as such.
And second, while using staff is different than using the sword, anyone who has training in european martial arts will tell you that knowledge crosses over in many ways. Most important being stance and timing.
And your "valid" opinion is just same repeat of same stupidity.
Yeah Luke after few months of training (where he used a hand to hand weapon for the first time in his life) lost to one of the most powerful sith lords who ever lived, in a combat where Sith Lord chose time and place of the fight and was on top of his game.
While Rey, who had years of training in close combat fought a man who just killed his father, was shot, was bleeding and had to inflict pain on himself just to stop himself from passing out. And who had just got his sword arm cut as well on top of all of that.
You are calling her Mary Sue because you want to, not because she was portrayed as such.
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BenniEGHR (01/05/2016) [-] Ray was a scavenger on ********** planet, how much more underdog do you want?
it is a sexism issue when you call the character a mary sue when there is no arguement behind it, or when its hipocritical when the other characters she is compared to are even more "perfect" or "Martin sue" (wtf the male term is) than her.
it shows just a resentment to the character and wanting to find a flaw purely because she is a woman, when its a perfect fit for the star wars universe
it is a sexism issue when you call the character a mary sue when there is no arguement behind it, or when its hipocritical when the other characters she is compared to are even more "perfect" or "Martin sue" (wtf the male term is) than her.
it shows just a resentment to the character and wanting to find a flaw purely because she is a woman, when its a perfect fit for the star wars universe
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aizeinstein (01/05/2016) [-] I get what you're saying. But consider these;
> She was already salvaging electronics
> She already knew melee fighting (because of the staff)
Only thing she's immediately good at is the force, which is the canon deus ex machina of sw universe.
> She was already salvaging electronics
> She already knew melee fighting (because of the staff)
Only thing she's immediately good at is the force, which is the canon deus ex machina of sw universe.
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anon (01/05/2016) [-]
Salvaging electronics is not nearly the same as understanding them, or even knowing what the pieces do. She hasn't built anything, nor has she piloted anything, yet you expect her to be completely proficient not only as a pilot, but as a pilot on the millennium falcon (much more complex than most ships)? And she can outmaneuver people who were literally raised to be pilots? For their whole lives? Nah man, that's bs and you know it. And carrying a staff tells us nothing about her combat abilities, nor would it indicate she has any actual combat experiences. Swordplay takes forever to learn, parrying correctly takes forever to learn, INTERCEPTING SWINGS takes forever to learn. Yet, she's immediately proficient in that too, and once again much better than the individual that has had training.
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anon (01/05/2016) [-]
HURR DURR OH MAN ONE SINGLE POINT OF YOUR OTHERWISE WELL THOUGHT OUT ARGUMENT IS INCORRECT, SO IT'S COMPLETELY INVALID - skebaba, 2016
Even with building the speeder, as I have been informed of since making that post, building something is completely different from piloting it. I certainly wouldn't trust the engineers and builders that make planes to fly one with no training. Just because you understand the reason something works doesn't mean you understand how to MAKE it work. Not to mention, piloting a speeder (essentially a hover motorcycle) is VERY different from piloting a space ship (essentially a bomber, which she proceeded to fly more like a fighter jet).
Even with building the speeder, as I have been informed of since making that post, building something is completely different from piloting it. I certainly wouldn't trust the engineers and builders that make planes to fly one with no training. Just because you understand the reason something works doesn't mean you understand how to MAKE it work. Not to mention, piloting a speeder (essentially a hover motorcycle) is VERY different from piloting a space ship (essentially a bomber, which she proceeded to fly more like a fighter jet).
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anon (01/05/2016) [-]
>>#53,
As for the force, even the best Jedi take years to learn different abilities. Luke was the fastest-trained jedi shown in the movies, and he only had a rudimentary grasp (he was barely past the younglings in the prequel trilogy) under the tutelage of two of the best jedi ever known, and months to learn. Yet, here she is, suddenly able to repel someone whose force mastery is at ridiculous levels (mind-reading is on a whole different level from mind control), and executing a perfect mind control with almost no prompting, nor any idea that this is even a thing that can be done OR that she has force manipulating potential.
tl;dr -- Her entire character is deus ex machina, because J.J. Abrams and the writers couldn't think of literally any other way to notably differentiate Episode VII from Episode IV, so they half-assed her development and made her all-powerful. It's a downright shame, is what it is.
As for the force, even the best Jedi take years to learn different abilities. Luke was the fastest-trained jedi shown in the movies, and he only had a rudimentary grasp (he was barely past the younglings in the prequel trilogy) under the tutelage of two of the best jedi ever known, and months to learn. Yet, here she is, suddenly able to repel someone whose force mastery is at ridiculous levels (mind-reading is on a whole different level from mind control), and executing a perfect mind control with almost no prompting, nor any idea that this is even a thing that can be done OR that she has force manipulating potential.
tl;dr -- Her entire character is deus ex machina, because J.J. Abrams and the writers couldn't think of literally any other way to notably differentiate Episode VII from Episode IV, so they half-assed her development and made her all-powerful. It's a downright shame, is what it is.
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MrDeadiron (01/05/2016) [-] Carrying around a walking staff doesnt mean you know **** all about fighting. Also she was just tearing out random pieces on a junk planet that also doesn't mean anything. And she suddenly starts pulling off amazing maneuvers within 10 seconds of being in the millennium falcon.
And another thing, no matter how strong the Jedi it took them a lot of training to start utilizing powers properly. Look at Anakin aka the CHOSEN ONE, he had to train to use his powers, or Luke training with Yoda. Not Rey though, she can suddenly use high level force powers completely untrained.
And another thing, no matter how strong the Jedi it took them a lot of training to start utilizing powers properly. Look at Anakin aka the CHOSEN ONE, he had to train to use his powers, or Luke training with Yoda. Not Rey though, she can suddenly use high level force powers completely untrained.
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kittywithclaws (01/05/2016) [-] "Also she was just tearing out random pieces on a junk planet that also doesn't mean anything."
She literally BUILT that speeder that she uses on Jakku
She literally BUILT that speeder that she uses on Jakku
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kittywithclaws (01/05/2016) [-] It's still true though. It's mentioned in one of the accompanying books, i believe it's the Visual Dictionary, therefor it's canon.
I can see people claiming that she's "too talented" in other areas, and that's an argument for a different day. But fixing/repairing **** is literally her job and life. It's what she's been doing since she was like 5, she's got the backstory to be good at that.
No one argued that a 10 year old Anakin was able to build C3-P0 and a working podracer, and no one called him a Mary Sue /Marty Stu , and he had even less of a reason to be talented at that than Rey does.
I can see people claiming that she's "too talented" in other areas, and that's an argument for a different day. But fixing/repairing **** is literally her job and life. It's what she's been doing since she was like 5, she's got the backstory to be good at that.
No one argued that a 10 year old Anakin was able to build C3-P0 and a working podracer, and no one called him a Mary Sue /Marty Stu , and he had even less of a reason to be talented at that than Rey does.
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MrDeadiron (01/05/2016) [-] Accompanying book, no.
And everyone said that it was retarded that he built C3-P0. The worst argument you could make would be trying to use the prequels as a justification for something.
And everyone said that it was retarded that he built C3-P0. The worst argument you could make would be trying to use the prequels as a justification for something.
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anon (01/05/2016) [-]
The speeder is the only thing she is shown to have built. Speeders in general are much less complex than a space-ship, from a piloting AND construction aspect. She honestly should have had no idea what most of the parts were if she'd only ever made the speeder.
And Anakin was a Mary Stu, and many people have pointed that out. That said, the entire prequel trilogy was garbage. Going "hey, my character is better than this dog **** I stepped in" really doesn't make a strong case. Also, he worked as a slave under Watto for at least 7 years, who built and repaired droids and ships for a living, and often made his slaves do HIS work so he could relax and do nothing. Anakin had every bit of experience needed to make C-3PO. Going from one droid to another droid is a lot more of a believable jump than from space-motorcycle to space-fighter jet. The fact that this ****** 10-year old character had more believable credentials than Rey is just depressing.
And Anakin was a Mary Stu, and many people have pointed that out. That said, the entire prequel trilogy was garbage. Going "hey, my character is better than this dog **** I stepped in" really doesn't make a strong case. Also, he worked as a slave under Watto for at least 7 years, who built and repaired droids and ships for a living, and often made his slaves do HIS work so he could relax and do nothing. Anakin had every bit of experience needed to make C-3PO. Going from one droid to another droid is a lot more of a believable jump than from space-motorcycle to space-fighter jet. The fact that this ****** 10-year old character had more believable credentials than Rey is just depressing.
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Lewx ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] > Do you seriously think junkyard scrappers immediatelly know how to handle maintenance on a ship better THAN ITS OWN CAPTAIN, who's been piloting and modifying it for 40+ years?
> We saw very little of her staff fighting abilities, and how does that even translate to sword fighting? So we have a total newfag using a sword against someone who was trained by Luke Skywalker, and then by another mentor, and she wipes the floor with him? (I've been trying to rationalize this by saying he was injured, but really that's just ******** )
> Han hands Ray a blaster: "Do you know how to use these?"
Ray: "Nope"
Ray: "Oh lawd, Stormtroopers. Oh lawd, the safety"
> Annihilates 3 storm troopers
> You know, I know very little, if anything at all about Jedis, but you know what? I'm totally gonna use Jedi Mind Tricks on this random Trooper ****** , because I'm a strong independant and empowered woman.
> We saw very little of her staff fighting abilities, and how does that even translate to sword fighting? So we have a total newfag using a sword against someone who was trained by Luke Skywalker, and then by another mentor, and she wipes the floor with him? (I've been trying to rationalize this by saying he was injured, but really that's just ******** )
> Han hands Ray a blaster: "Do you know how to use these?"
Ray: "Nope"
Ray: "Oh lawd, Stormtroopers. Oh lawd, the safety"
> Annihilates 3 storm troopers
> You know, I know very little, if anything at all about Jedis, but you know what? I'm totally gonna use Jedi Mind Tricks on this random Trooper ****** , because I'm a strong independant and empowered woman.
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] >They flat out state in the movie that she's had lots of experience fixing ships, also the millennium falcon's been there for years, so she would be familiar with the kind of systems it uses.
>Kylo Ren didn't have complete training from either of those masters, he was also extremely emotional and had a bleeding wound when they fought, so it's safe to say he was significantly weakened when they fought.
>When Han asked her if she knew how to use a blaster, she said "Yeah, point and shoot." and she did that part pretty well.
>She barely does any more with the force than Luke did before he was trained, and that's because a major part of the story is her being extraordinarily in tune with the force.
>Kylo Ren didn't have complete training from either of those masters, he was also extremely emotional and had a bleeding wound when they fought, so it's safe to say he was significantly weakened when they fought.
>When Han asked her if she knew how to use a blaster, she said "Yeah, point and shoot." and she did that part pretty well.
>She barely does any more with the force than Luke did before he was trained, and that's because a major part of the story is her being extraordinarily in tune with the force.
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kewlkrayfish (01/05/2016) [-] Haha
- she counter mind-rapes a guy who is shown to be very competent at ************ people with the force Poe damereon is portrayed as a tough man who would be very hard to break .
- She out-force-pulls the same guy, who can a stop freaking blaster shot without even looking at it.
- She jedi mind-tricks a dude, after that same dude knows she trying to do some **** and rebuffs her attempt.
ALL WITHOUT TRAINING. In the first movie, no less. Luke is no where near this level of bad-assery, hell even force jesus himself, Anakin Skywalker Its over 20,000!!! gets lots of ******* training before he is seen using these powers -- before his training all he has is heightened reflexes and perception hence the pod-racing ability, BUT he never even finished a race until Qui-Gon showed up .
Please, bro, just admit the Rey's character is not following Star Wars logic and lore.
It was a great movie, but unless the next one intruduces the idea that Rey has in fact been previously trained, she is as Mary Sue-esque as they come.
- she counter mind-rapes a guy who is shown to be very competent at ************ people with the force Poe damereon is portrayed as a tough man who would be very hard to break .
- She out-force-pulls the same guy, who can a stop freaking blaster shot without even looking at it.
- She jedi mind-tricks a dude, after that same dude knows she trying to do some **** and rebuffs her attempt.
ALL WITHOUT TRAINING. In the first movie, no less. Luke is no where near this level of bad-assery, hell even force jesus himself, Anakin Skywalker Its over 20,000!!! gets lots of ******* training before he is seen using these powers -- before his training all he has is heightened reflexes and perception hence the pod-racing ability, BUT he never even finished a race until Qui-Gon showed up .
Please, bro, just admit the Rey's character is not following Star Wars logic and lore.
It was a great movie, but unless the next one intruduces the idea that Rey has in fact been previously trained, she is as Mary Sue-esque as they come.
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] I'll concede that her force powers are a stretch, but I think they're going for the narrative that she's at a completely new level, even compared to Anakin. Whether or not you like that decision is a different argument. I completely stand by everything else, though.
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kewlkrayfish (01/05/2016) [-] I won't fault you for standing by it. Personally the movie left a bad taste in my mouth, star wars at least to me has always been about the struggle.
Luke gets his ass kicked all over the place and is same by his friends five times more often than he succeeds. He grows and overcomes his fear and it takes three movies and two teachers to do that.
Rey has no struggle, except maybe against abandonment, and every mistake she makes she fixes herself. Often for greater gain. She never really needs to be rescued or have others watching her back, and Finn is characterized as a bumbling cowardly loser because of this. But thats just my opinion
Luke gets his ass kicked all over the place and is same by his friends five times more often than he succeeds. He grows and overcomes his fear and it takes three movies and two teachers to do that.
Rey has no struggle, except maybe against abandonment, and every mistake she makes she fixes herself. Often for greater gain. She never really needs to be rescued or have others watching her back, and Finn is characterized as a bumbling cowardly loser because of this. But thats just my opinion
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] >Bumbling cowardly loser
>Betrayed and successfully escaped the first order, practically saving the resistance
>Fought Kylo Ren, despite having no experience or skill with a lightsaber, and being rightfully scared ******** .
>Betrayed and successfully escaped the first order, practically saving the resistance
>Fought Kylo Ren, despite having no experience or skill with a lightsaber, and being rightfully scared ******** .
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kewlkrayfish (01/05/2016) [-] Yeah he starts out great
- trained in the art of shooting and fighting from birth
- grows a conscience
- breaks out of a first order stronghold
HOLD THE PHONE THOUGH
-He then proceeds to try and help a 95lb girl fend off two attackers, and instead gets chased down and ass-beat by that girl.
-Is shown to be less than cool under pressure, sweating and stuttering, and constantly saying they need to run far far away
-Literally is so scared of the first-order he tries to ditch his new friends for a mining job
-Gets beat down by TR8-TR
-Is revealed to be a sanitation worker
-All his romantic intentions are rebuffed, and he is friend-zoned
-Tries a grand gesture of rescuing the girl, but even that is undermimed by her alreay escaping
At least he holds his own against Kylo, but if you are to be believed, kylo's advanced state of injury negates that achievement.
Seriously I had high hopes for Finn but they really did not want him to ever outshine Rey, or look competent.
- trained in the art of shooting and fighting from birth
- grows a conscience
- breaks out of a first order stronghold
HOLD THE PHONE THOUGH
-He then proceeds to try and help a 95lb girl fend off two attackers, and instead gets chased down and ass-beat by that girl.
-Is shown to be less than cool under pressure, sweating and stuttering, and constantly saying they need to run far far away
-Literally is so scared of the first-order he tries to ditch his new friends for a mining job
-Gets beat down by TR8-TR
-Is revealed to be a sanitation worker
-All his romantic intentions are rebuffed, and he is friend-zoned
-Tries a grand gesture of rescuing the girl, but even that is undermimed by her alreay escaping
At least he holds his own against Kylo, but if you are to be believed, kylo's advanced state of injury negates that achievement.
Seriously I had high hopes for Finn but they really did not want him to ever outshine Rey, or look competent.
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mangoroid (01/05/2016) [-] I need to wholeheartedly agree with this one. I went to the movies with my gf who loves star wars universe and she was thoroughly dissapointed with the second half of the movie, especially with Rey character development, which have almost none sense whatsoever when comparing to other Star Wars canon Jedi characters.
Personally, as for Finn, I have much hope regarding his character development in the next movies. Considering the fact that in whole movie he shifted from soldier to deserter, next he wanted to cowardly escape from all the struggle, and at the end he found the courage to fight with the Order which he was scared of (seems perfectly humanesque when you experience from first hand what Order is capable of) is a great development in my opinion.
Also, as for Finn past, he is very skilled in fighting with blasters and hand-to-hand combat, have great tactical capabilities, and was praised (being 1% of Top stormtroopers) when he was trained in the Order - hence he was leader of 4 person squad (I don't know why they decided to make his movie character seem weaker than his history in book is telling, maybe it was due to his fear of the Order that made him not able to fully utilise his talents) Though he was looked down upon in Order due to his empathy which could be percieved as a mental instability or weakness. His performance in the movie was not bad, but he was just outshined by "strong and independent Disney princess Rey".
Considering everything I mentioned above, I expect very much of Finn (also Poe's character interests me) in the next parts, so until I wont see anything interesting in the trailer bits, I will pass with going to cinemas for next one.
Personally, as for Finn, I have much hope regarding his character development in the next movies. Considering the fact that in whole movie he shifted from soldier to deserter, next he wanted to cowardly escape from all the struggle, and at the end he found the courage to fight with the Order which he was scared of (seems perfectly humanesque when you experience from first hand what Order is capable of) is a great development in my opinion.
Also, as for Finn past, he is very skilled in fighting with blasters and hand-to-hand combat, have great tactical capabilities, and was praised (being 1% of Top stormtroopers) when he was trained in the Order - hence he was leader of 4 person squad (I don't know why they decided to make his movie character seem weaker than his history in book is telling, maybe it was due to his fear of the Order that made him not able to fully utilise his talents) Though he was looked down upon in Order due to his empathy which could be percieved as a mental instability or weakness. His performance in the movie was not bad, but he was just outshined by "strong and independent Disney princess Rey".
Considering everything I mentioned above, I expect very much of Finn (also Poe's character interests me) in the next parts, so until I wont see anything interesting in the trailer bits, I will pass with going to cinemas for next one.
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] I think Kylo Ren's injuries put him on an even playing field with rey, who, in terms of power, vastly outclasses Finn. As far as him being scared of the first order, I think his fear is justified. Being raised in the first order, he probably believes them to be the most powerful organization in the universe, capable of tracking down and killing anyone.
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kewlkrayfish (01/05/2016) [-] Well, all i am saying is that the writers sacrificed a lot in order to make Rey the super-woman she is. Unfortunately much more could have been done with Finn and Poe who had very little screen time , like how both Han and Leia in A New Hope were such unique and strong characters. In TFA, Rey was given all the cards
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] Yeah, I absolutely agree that the relationship between Finn and Poe should have been focused on more. What I hope for the next movies is for the other characters to be focused on more, and for Rey and Ren to be fleshed out better, which is what I think will happen.
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lamyth (01/05/2016) [-]
she didn't really wipe the floor with ren though, he simply was holding the idiot ball.
Seriously, that whole fight is basically her thrusting her saber ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) towards him for him to block and continue walking menacingly while not doing anything besides punching himself in the side. He also forgets to use his crossguard on her when they did that pressing thing (which he used against finn in the same situation), or any kind of force ability at all while realising that she had NO force-training whatsoever.
At least, that's how I remember it from watching twice. If there's anything wrong, please correct me
Seriously, that whole fight is basically her thrusting her saber ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) towards him for him to block and continue walking menacingly while not doing anything besides punching himself in the side. He also forgets to use his crossguard on her when they did that pressing thing (which he used against finn in the same situation), or any kind of force ability at all while realising that she had NO force-training whatsoever.
At least, that's how I remember it from watching twice. If there's anything wrong, please correct me
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bendingtimeisgood ONLINE (01/05/2016) [-] Actually, I think her fighting Kylo Ren's mind reading might have made him afraid to use the force against her, because he doesn't know how much she's capable of.
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sptnfouroneseven (01/05/2016) [-] She was taught how to repair ships from what she said in the movie. Also, knew the owners of the Melenium Flacon(Minus Han before hand) so she knew what mods were installed. Not that far of a stretch.
And yes, as soon as you take the safety off a weapon they're fairly easy to fire with the exception of high rate of fire rifles, a pistol is pretty much aim and shoot.
And yes, as soon as you take the safety off a weapon they're fairly easy to fire with the exception of high rate of fire rifles, a pistol is pretty much aim and shoot.
