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#124 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
A woman being irresponsible = THE MAN IS A RAPIST
Seriously, what the **** is wrong with society? Why are women allowed to be absolved of any responsibilities just because they have a vagina?
#133 to #124 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
A woman having sex with a ********* drunk man is rape too.
User avatar #196 to #133 - sorcha (10/01/2013) [-]
People tend to forget that rape isnt only a womens problem and its harder for men to come foward
#134 to #133 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
How so? If the man was irresponsible enough to get drunk to the point where he will consent to anybody, how would that be the woman's fault?
#137 to #134 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
Because you can't properly consent if you're drunk, just like a child cannot consent. Yes, it's irresponsible, but that doesn't mean it's okay for the woman to take advantage of him while he is incapable of giving her consent, especially considering you can lose motor function at a certain point. If someone is an idiot and knocks themselves out, does that mean it's okay to have sex with them while they're unconscious just because they were irresponsible in knocking themselves out? No.
#140 to #137 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
A child doesn't choose to be a child, a drunk person chooses to be drunk
#142 to #140 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
Again, refer to the last part of my comment. Choosing to be drunk doesn't automatically imply choosing to be raped. There's really no reason for this to even be an issue. Anybody should know better than to have sex with someone who is so drunk they can't think coherently.
#143 to #142 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
"Choosing to be drunk doesn't automatically imply choosing to be raped." I absolutely agree.

However, giving consent when you were drunk and then regretting it the next morning does not mean you were raped, it means you made an irresponsible decision.
#146 to #143 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
No, it means BOTH. You were raped BECAUSE you made an irresponsible decision. That doesn't make the rapist any less guilty.
User avatar #260 to #146 - sorcha (10/02/2013) [-]
So what about rape of elderly woman having a couple of drinks walking home and attacked is it their ( I also expand this to drunken man this whole concvseration is women get too drunk blah blah men get drunk men get raped if the
women is sober IIT IS RAPE


I have been blackout drunk on more than one occasion I hate to do the I'm irish it's different but we do have a heavy drinking culture and there has been occasions I have put myself in unnessary danger such as the fact I wander off when drunk because I like to chat to new people and yes I have taken for granted the situation I could of out myself in by doing so but I feel being drunk and messy doesnt automatically mean hey baby please take my down an alley and have forceful sex with me
#289 to #260 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/02/2013) [-]
Yeah, I agree. The decision to get so drunk that you cannot make your own decisions is still irresponsible, but that doesn't make the rape any less of a rape.
User avatar #390 to #289 - sorcha (10/02/2013) [-]
But there are also times you think your safe enough in your company to let your guard down and get drunk I dont give it a second thought getting drunk around my friends I know im safe whatever the situation or how badly drunk I get

Some girls/guys trust people that let them down whether they leave them on their own or take advantage

Rapist dont come with handy labels letting you know
#148 to #146 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
So any sexual encounter you regret = rape? I'm sorry but I can't agree with that
#151 to #148 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
No. Any sexual encounter that you do not consent to is rape. A drunk person cannot consent because they are mentally and sometimes physically impaired to the point that they cannot make that kind of decision.
#154 to #151 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
Only because they chose to be
#162 to #154 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
Again, choosing to be drunk does not imply choosing to be raped. We already went over this.
#163 to #162 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
And I already stated that my argument only stands when the person gives consent
#166 to #163 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
And I already stated that drunk people are not capable of giving consent. We're going in circles.
#170 to #166 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
Indeed we are. I suppose we should just end it here and go our separate ways, we both obviously have strong opinions that we will not change
#171 to #170 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/01/2013) [-]
Yeah, sometimes it just comes down to a basic disagreement in reasoning and arguing any further won't make any difference.
#195 to #171 - jazzytheferret (10/01/2013) [-]
But what if both people are drunk? Is the rape rule voided out, or something else?
#283 to #195 - myshipsailedwoutme (10/02/2013) [-]
Then it does get tricky, because in a sense they're raping each other.
User avatar #202 to #195 - sorcha (10/01/2013) [-]
I personally see no problem then red thumb me if i'm wrong
User avatar #136 to #134 - HorriblyCrazy (10/01/2013) [-]
Someone who's drunk is not legally able to consent.

>>Someone who's drunk is not legally able to consent.


Someone who's drunk is not legally able to consent.
User avatar #203 to #136 - sorcha (10/01/2013) [-]
Does walking around in expensive clothes or driving an expensive make it ok for for people to mug you
#139 to #136 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
So it's not their fault that they themselves made the decision to get drunk? That's quite a silly argument
#153 to #139 - HorriblyCrazy (10/01/2013) [-]
It's still rape.   
   
That person may have made the decision to become intoxicated but they did not make the decision to be sexually assaulted.   
This goes for men too. This goes for everybody.   
If you're blackout drunk and can't even move from where you are, that does not mean someone can invite themselves to shove their dick up your ass or really do anything at all, other than get you any medical attention you might need or a blanket, some Advil, and some water.   
Why the 						****					 does everyone want to keep blaming the victim?   
   
It's not you're fault if you're black out drunk and a gay guy or a girl rapes you just because you put yourself near those people, so why the 						****					 is it supposed to be my fault if I'm around people I trust, drink a little too much, and get raped?   
   
   
   
Honestly, if you're still asking what the victim is wearing, how drunk they were, or blaming them for being in that situation, you can go 						****					 yourself with a rusty mace.
It's still rape.

That person may have made the decision to become intoxicated but they did not make the decision to be sexually assaulted.
This goes for men too. This goes for everybody.
If you're blackout drunk and can't even move from where you are, that does not mean someone can invite themselves to shove their dick up your ass or really do anything at all, other than get you any medical attention you might need or a blanket, some Advil, and some water.
Why the **** does everyone want to keep blaming the victim?

It's not you're fault if you're black out drunk and a gay guy or a girl rapes you just because you put yourself near those people, so why the **** is it supposed to be my fault if I'm around people I trust, drink a little too much, and get raped?



Honestly, if you're still asking what the victim is wearing, how drunk they were, or blaming them for being in that situation, you can go **** yourself with a rusty mace.
User avatar #206 to #153 - sorcha (10/01/2013) [-]
Most stories about rape you can change the topic of rape to it was cold out
''She should of been wearing more clothes''
''He would of been ok if he had of stayed at home''

We focuse to much on the behaviour of the victim not the crime of the rapist
#160 to #153 - andrewkinsella (10/01/2013) [-]
I wasn't talking about rape. I'm talking about consensual sex while drunk, rape is a different matter entirely
User avatar #178 to #160 - HorriblyCrazy (10/01/2013) [-]

Circumstances in which a person, CANNOT, by law, give consent:
(no matter what s/he might verbalize):

-The person is severely intoxicated or unconscious as a result of alcohol or drugs
-The person is physically or mentally disabled
-Once a person says “no”. It does not matter if or what kind of sexual behavior has happened previously in the current event, early that day, or daily for the previous six months. It does not matter if it is a current long-term relationship, a broken relationship, or marriage. If one partner says, “NO,” and the other forces penetration it is rape.


Don't **** someone who's drunk. It's that ******* simple.
They have the same rights to consent as a four year old.
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