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> hey anon, wanna give your opinion?
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User avatar #2 - redstonealchemist
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(07/22/2014) [-]
when i'm playing a game i'm not familiar with, i quickly learn which route is correct and then delibirdly go the wrong way to find some loot.
dark souls has punished me for it.
i can't even get to the second bell at the start of the game
User avatar #3 to #2 - elgrind
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>Dark Souls
>First time in Firelink Shrine.
>NPC says "ring the bells, one is up, the other is far below".
>Ok, decide I will do the one "far below".
>Arrive to New Londo.
>******* ghosts everywhere, maybe I must run ?
>Die
>Realise I am stupid.
>I ******* love this game.
User avatar #4 to #3 - redstonealchemist
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iv'e rung the first bell up above and by that time i'm usually about level 20-25, then i go down with the stuff i need to fight the ghosts and get slaughtered evertim1
#10 to #4 - quatre
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gonna set the record straight because anon#7 has it wrong.
-the intended first belltower is the 'above' in undead parish. you can get there by going the intended way, through undead burg, or through new londo->valley of drakes(requires key,master key usable)->darkroot basin->darkroot garden. that second one is a toughie, but is the route that speedrunners take.

-the second bell is located in blighttown. the intended route is to get to blighttown by using the key from undead parish to open the door on the red dragon's bridge and going down to lower undead burg(here you can open a house to rescue the sorcerer trainer). beat the capra demon miniboss for a key to the depths, and beat the depths' gaping dragon to access blighttown. A shortcut is available from the valley of the drakes directly to blighttown, but requires a master key/new londo key.

-if you want to do new londo after the first bell, you can. but it would be advisable to buy a few transient curses from the undead merchant in the waterway. also, sif the grey wolf from darkroot garnen needs to be beaten for loot to survive the abyss(new londo boss area)

going on, spoilers warning
after second bell, go to sen's fortress from undead parish
beating sen's fortress takes you to anor londo
beating anor londo unlocks the following, for any order, but easiest to hardest:
1) blighttown to demons' ruins to lost izalith
2) firelink to catacombs to tombs of giants
3) duke's archives to crystal cave
the four kings boss of new londo is the 4th boss needed to fill the lordvessel, open the gate to the kiln of the first flame, and beat the end boss.
bonus areas:
darkroot basin hydra fight
darkroot garden moonlight butterfly fight
return to undead asylum
painted world from anor londo (requires undead asylum revisit)
the great hollow to ash lake from blighttown (second hydra fight, dragon covenant)
if you have the DLC, Oolacile can the abyss


User avatar #15 to #10 - redstonealchemist
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but wait! there's more!
13 - **** prepare to die edition. i tried it once and couldn't get up the ******* stairs leaving firelink shrine.
14 - i like to grind enemies until their zone is empty, what do you suggest for killing the dragons on the way to the second shrine?
15 - i heard you can hit the ghosts if your'e cursed in general, what other ways can i be cursed at this current time?
16 - yunno that bastard that guards the shortcut from lower undead burg to darkroot basin? is it best to get a spellcaster and burn his ass until i can take him out with ease?
17 - srs is it best for my fighting style to get a magic-using character and wait until i can get balder armour? also is there a kind of magic i can access this early on that ***** with ghosts?
User avatar #14 to #10 - redstonealchemist
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1 - the sorcerer and the holy guy both mention being in a group, how long does it take to find the rest, who are they, where do i find them and how many of them are there?
2 - capra demon, isn't that thte goat thing? how the **** do i kill that and what benefits from beating him, is there are new area that i couldn't access before if i kill him?
3 - gaping dragon?
4 - transient curses are expensive as **** and i kinda want to kill the only guy that sells them a single slash of the drake sword isn't enough and i can't reach him for a second attack
5 - my little brother has played dark souls and advises that i don't kill the wolf just yet, same questions apply as the capra demon.
6 - should i make a character that knows magic, preferably fire magic? i know that balder armour is as good as knight armour from the starting choices, so all i have to do is wait a bit and having an innate ranged attack will help a lot.
7 - what advice do you have concerning the dragon on the bridge?
8 - what's the best way to kill a black knight in order to get their armour and how good is it compared to balder armour?
9 - in comparison how difficult is the hydra the first time round and what tactics do you advise in order to kill it?
10 - i've noticed that bosses drop special loot if you kill them a certain way: taurus demon must be killed in combat, killing it by jumping down and stabbing it doesn't drop the demon greataxe or whatever it's called getting the boar helm requires killitwithfire.oldmeme what do you know of the others, including the thunder slug that leads to the darkroot basin?
11 - what the **** is up with that butterfly? i know a way to kill it, but is it worth it? what happens when you do? do you get to access a new area?
12 - what's the best way to **** with the ghosts? is there a special or special arrow/bolt that will damage them without need for the transient curse?
#21 to #14 - quatre
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there are days i wish i could go back just to play dark souls for the first time all over again. I'll take that your asking me was that you liked a frank response over anon's "follow-the-path" response
1)covenants-not necessary but influence how you get invaded or how you invade others. they're all purely optional, but some items/magic (nothing game breaking) can only be acquired through joining. You can join, get loot, and quit if you want. check a wiki if you want a comprehensive list
2)kill the dogs of the area first if you can. keep your shield up as you head up the stairs and across the ledge. when he gets in your face, fall down and back off. when he falls after you, he's stunned for an easy hit or two. repeat
3)gaping dragon is a fun fight. two npcs to party with, an awesome monster design, the whole package. cut off the tail for a weapon
4)ghosts also drop transient curses fairly frequently, so only a few are needed. also theres no benefit to killing this merchant
5)sif hits hard-ish. you can roll under most of his attacks. i'd wait until after the second bell at least. if you only kill him when you have to, it will be end game, but he's not that hard to wait so long
6)that's all up to you. i found pyromancy more helpful than sorcery. miracles not worth my time, but the buffing doesn't hurt. long attack=bow; mid attack=pyromancy; close attack=melee
7)once you have the drake sword, you can ignore it and kill later. you'll fire an arrow, take a two-handed swing, and run. repeat
8)you can't get black knight armor this way. sorry, it's an end-game set found on a corpse. it's good, but not as good as you'd think
9)get a butt load of arrows and hide in a little hollow behind a rock near the lake. fire at the necks. once most are gone (or all), you can get in closer, run along the shore and attack after the heads lunge
10)most dragons'( and the gargoyles) tails can be cut off. besides that, it's all random
#22 to #21 - quatre
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11)the butterfly guards an ember, an item needed to open a weapon upgrade path. the npc summon helps a lot in this fight
12)ghosts can only be hurt when cursed(real or transient), with the jagged blade(a ghost drop), and a cured form greatsword of artorias (don't bother)
13)git gud, lol. can't comment much, it's the only edition i've played. it's fun though and oolacile adds to the lore, history, and atmoshere
14)shrine? if by that you mean bonfire, you don't have to kill the red drake on the bridge.the drake sword is a nice newbie weapon, but gets out-classed later with smithing weapons
15)cursing isn't common. the basilisks (in the depths and great hollow) are the only common enemy that does it. it cuts your health in half, so it should be avoided. having liquid humanity 5 or greater helps resist it a lot.
16)havel (the bastard in question) can be parry+riposted or preferably backstabbed. getting a solid shield (baldur is great) helps survive being one-shotted. guard his one-handed and roll sideways from his two handed, using his two-handed lag to position yourself and stab him. magic doesn't help much because all his defenses are amazing and you can't critical with magic.
17) magic isn't the answer. it's better as a supplement to a good melee character unless you really know what you're doing and go full mage. a heavy armored mage would be too slow and easily interrupted.
#23 to #22 - quatre
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some more tips:
1)baldur armor is alright if you have it, but the elite knight set is found right before the butterfly, to the right. it has the best defense:weight ratio in the game and solid resistances. last armor you'll need. havel's ring will let you wear it with ease
2)good shields are: baldur (for purely physical), the crest shield (for magic defense), the dragon crest (for fire res), and black knight (lucky you if it drops early). don't worry about lightning, it doesn't come up much
3a)know your stats. leveling up health and endurance early is good, around 22 each will hold you over for bit. aim to be 30-35 vit and 40 end by level 100ish. endurance gives you the stamina to block those heavy hits and more load for heavy armor.
3b)know your stats. pick an offensive stat and stick with it. these are str, dex, int, and faith. find a weapon class you like, and find one with good (B or more) scaling for a stat. beyond having the minimum for a weapon requirement, pour points into this stat (not beyond 40 or 45, diminishing returns after that). I personally like dexterity, as the early and easily available baldur side sword is an end-game viable option. it hits fast, hard enough, good reach, and it scales with dex. The murakamo, dropped from giant skeletons in the graveyard is the big weapon of choice for dex builds.
3c)know your stats. avoid the useless ones. resistance shouldn't be touched. ever. unless you're going full mage, keep attunement to a max 19 (5 slots, plenty for back up pyro and the odd situational sorcery/miracle buff). if you're going melee, and i recommend you do, don't put more than 15 in either int or faith.
4) don't kill a trainer or merchant until you're sure you won't need them. atone for attacking at the very expensive priest right before the first bell (after ringing).
5)patience and level headedness is rewarded. small enemies can bounce off your shield and bigger ones usually have a cool down/opening after a big swing
#24 to #23 - anon id: d3fa2764
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4) Anyone who kills merchants deserves to die constantly in this game.
You can always pick out the idiots by who attacks the merchants and who doesn't.
#25 to #24 - quatre
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your right, but dark souls doesn't make everything so black and white. there are merchants that should be attacked with the right timing. I said 'make sure you don't need them' for a reason.

the male undead merchant of undead burg can be killed once you buy the boxes, the chain armor (if you want it), the heater shield, the bow with a stock of arrows, and maybe a stock of firebombs (if you don't have pyromancy). the early uchigatana is worth it for some, katanas never struck me as worth it.

petrus can, and should, be killed after rescuing rhea from the caves. killing rhea (or petrus if he already killed her) is the only way to get the ivory talisman, the 2nd best talisman in the game and far easier than the moonlight talisman.

shiva can be killed for his wood ring once you buy what you want of his rare/unique wares

three of the four blacksmiths (not the new londo one) have unique hammer drops. vamos in particular should be killed for the additional royal helm. of course, killing a blacksmith is really reserved for just before the final boss or if you really know you're done with them.

i don't know if i can ever kill my sunbro solaire for his iron set and sunlight gear

in the DLC, you need to kill chester and gough to get their unique armor sets if you want them.
#26 to #25 - anon id: d3fa2764
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Well yeah, end-game when you're just trying to collect gear that you want, sure, but I've seen some people attack every NPC they see without even bothering to talk to them or knowing what they drop (which is usually just humanity).
#27 to #26 - quatre
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i think those people tend to be the younger generation of gamers. it used to be you had to talk to every NPC several times to know what the hell to do or where the hell to go. but the new sandbox style games adapt to the player's decisions. As a morrowind fan, I was dumbfounded when skyrim held you back from killing 'essential' NPCs. it's a sign of the times, i tell ya whut
#20 to #14 - anon id: d3fa2764
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Oh, also, while I don't care for Balder armor, their shield is arguably the best in the game. (Lowest mass of the top normal shields, though also slightly weaker elemental blocks.)
#19 to #14 - anon id: d3fa2764
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14) Clarify dragons, you mean the drakes in the valley? Ignore them, too powerful. Poison arrows work well if you're fine with waiting.

15) You need to beat the Capra to find the enemies, but the frogs with huge eyes curse you (which both kills you and halves your health, quarters your health if you're cursed a second time. Don't, just wait until later to bother with New Londo.)

16) The stone armor guy? Oh, I thought that was the butterfly key... Or do you have the master key so you opened the door?
I just backstab him down (let him attack, then run past him to his back when he's recoiling), it takes a while with noob weapons, but I like getting his ring early in the game.

17) No, no. Wait until you know where all the NPCs and items are to make a pure mage. They are really strong, but you need to know where to get which catalyst and which spells.
#18 to #14 - anon id: d3fa2764
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10) Demon's Axe from Taurus is just random as far as I'm aware, you can get it later, same with the boar helm. All of the special weapons are from cutting off tails. If a boss has a tail, try attacking its tip, it probably drops a special weapon.

11) No, you get an ember and a key. The key is for a shortcut near the crystal golems, not a new area, however a mini-boss guarding the shortcut has one of the best rings in the game.

12) Transient curse. Alternatively, get cursed (don't), use their own weapon (rare ghost drop) against them (don't, it's weak), or make a special sword from the wolf's soul (don't, the anti-ghost version is weaker than the normal one, plus it has really high stats and Transient Curses are easy to get if you wait until you actually need to do New Londo).

13) How? Prepare to die is the same as normal. It just comes with the DLC areas (no changes to the core game).
#17 to #14 - anon id: d3fa2764
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6 cont) No need to make a fire magic specific character though, you'll find a pyromancer after the Capra. Pyromancy has no stat requirements and is very powerful, so it's OP for everyone.

7) Ignore it. You can kill it, you can run past it, whatever. If you want to run past it and loot, stand in the corner just past the stairs and maybe shoot it a few times. It should eventually fly down, when it starts the animation, start running. Once you reach the doorway, it should fly away.

8) You cant get black knight armor by killing, you find it later on in a chest. I can't answer the usefulness of balder armor, I go for looks over power. But you can get the best armor in the game pretty soon after the second bell (Giants, after one more boss).

9) Easy. You can safe spot it in a few areas if you can find out where the heads don't hit. Stay close to the edge of the underwater cliff, and it will melee you. The heads are easy to block, and you can attack them melee.
#16 to #14 - anon id: d3fa2764
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1) Different groups. The Preists group shows up after the Capra I think (for a short time), the Sorcerer is a "group" of two NPCS, you'll find the other after the second bell.

2) Yes, he drops a key to a door further down the alley, it leads to an entire area. Run past the dogs and up the stairs to try to split them for an easy kill.
3) A cool boss, ignore his spoilers.

4) As I said, don't waste your time, he doesn't know what he's talking about. Unless you have reason to beat New Londo before end game, don't bother. (There are reasons, but they aren't important unless you are looking for a certain item or are OCD as hell and want to min-max as much as possible into a single playthrough.)

5) Capra does nothing, but in the DLC version, you can get a different cutscene if you beat the DLC before fighting the wolf (if I recall correctly).

6) Magic in general is easy mode IF you know what you're doing. If not, you won't know where to get your power ups.
#11 to #10 - anon id: d3fa2764
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Anon 7 is not wrong, you are. OP said THEY ALREADY RANG THE FIRST BELL.
At least read their post...

And I gave directions with far fewer proper nouns because I didn't want to ruin the entire game (As you have done. Not only are my directions are easier to follow, they've also referred to the stated goal, not beating the entire game).
Additionally, OP shouldn't be playing with the master key, so I assumed they weren't.

You didn't even focus on telling OP how to ring the second bell, you told them how to beat the game and get to the Abyss.
#7 to #4 - anon id: d3fa2764
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New Londo isn't the second bell, that's end game (though fully beatable before end game, it's the only one of the final bosses which can be challenged from the start of the game.).

There are two ways to get where you're headed.
1) The intended method: Grab the key from the corpse under the gate near the first belltower. Run back to the start of the dragon bridge and open the door. Follow that path through multiple areas until you find the boss.

2) Go through Darkwood Basin. At the bottom, you'll be able to go down an elevator into a crossroads type area, and one of the areas accessible from there has the second belltower (This also skips a few bosses, I wouldn't recommend it, fighting is fun and one of the skipped bosses is pretty good).
#8 to #7 - anon id: d3fa2764
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Oh, I forgot to say where Darkwood is.
Near the first belltower, there's a smith, you've found him right?
Run past that lightning demon. You don't need to kill it, just run.
User avatar #12 to #8 - redstonealchemist
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the lightning slug is easy as **** to kill, it takes about 130 crossbow bolts / arrows of the lowest tier. the hard part is that even though i can take down some black knights with about 3 hits, the one guarding the shortcut and the shrine is very hard to kill, but sometimes you can get him with a glitch where he accidentally runs off the mountain and you even get his souls/items
User avatar #6 to #4 - thefates
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Yeah you need to take New Londo extremely slowly or the ghosts will surround you and attack through walls to all attack you at once.
User avatar #13 to #6 - redstonealchemist
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it's the first trap where they do exactly that that gets me, once i got to the second trap, thought by some to be the most dangerous room at this point excluding boss fights, and in the second trap room i was doing great... until my ******* curse ran out!! that ******* thing needs a timer... and to be ******* cheaper
User avatar #9 to #2 - heartlessrobot
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>Go the wrong way on purpose
Skyrim: You get some gold coins, maybe jewels, occasionally something awesome
Borderlands: You get a pop-culture reference
Darksouls: You get brutally anally raped. If you do it right though, you get some high level gear before you're supposed to, like the Crimson Set or the Epee.
User avatar #1 - fezzo
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Can't go wrong when playing portals
#5 - anon id: 4115c71d
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this game was guided by random light poles so YES you are going in th right direction.