"hello? 911? yeah im huh... robbing this guy's home and i found a bunch of pics you might wanna take a look at..."
"hmm what kind of pics?"
"naked kids"
"okay sir we are sending a patrol car dont leave the house"
"okay ill be sitting on the couch"
Classic Canadian criminal case en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_Dallaire Dallaire did not attempt to break down the door, and waited for the police to arrive.
The defense attorney is a professor at my uni and my gf was in his course.
Apparently some extra bits from the case
- When the P.M.'s wife opened the bedroom door instead of the p.m. he apologized to her and walked across the hall and waited for security.
- The officer who arrested him was overweight and out of breath from running up the stairs. (and back and forth due to the forgotten key) The accused took extra care to ensure it was easy for the officer to handcuff him.
The burglar broke in and got a bunch of stuff including some videotapes. When he saw what was there, he sent the vids to the police with the information of the trainer. Spanish police put him on surveillance and soon enough they verified the accusation.
Furthermore, the thief story was consistent because the trainer DID denounced the burglary .
Oh yeah, I remember, it was this guy.
He didn't only rape his one year old stepson, he also killed him and ran away.
That douchebag got what he deserved, if you ask me.
Morality is just an illusion. There is no right. There is no wrong. Where a random assort of organic material that came to life. Floating on a rock in space, probably filled with an endless assortment of sentient species. All of them evolved different. On other worlds evil is good and good is evil. Some species probably have no concept of morality at all. Children, adults, it doesn't matter. If evil exists, though I doubt it does, it doesn't matter who or what it's done too.
It's ridiculous that people claim to believe in morality but support immoral acts happening to people they think deserve it.
And nobody thinks about what they deserve, as parasites of the Earth.
Great throw buzzwords at **** you don't like. Reality isn't nice. Universe is literally a ******* void. Matter is 99.99 percent space. **** . **** isn't true just because you don't like it. Deal with it.
If society decides what is morally right or wrong, then within that society there is a sense of good and evil. I will agree with you that there's no such thing as universal morality. That is, in the state of nature, killing someone isn't an immoral act in itself.
However, humanity is a society, not just a species. Within the context of our society, murder is wrong. Within the context of most societies, child abuse is wrong.
And it´s not self satisfaction, it's pillars to help society function. People cling to moral law because without some form of it, we'd have an extremely difficult time functioning as a species.
The part where we create our own moralities as communities to you know, survive. Self satisfaction is " a feeling of being very pleased or satisfied with yourself and what you have done", not "a feeling of functioning and not being killed on the streets by people who society won't frown upon".
Let me clarify a little by saying that I'm not someone who believes we are born as inherently moral creatures, or that morality is somehow above all else. I think morality is an essential tool to help society work, and that we craft our own definitions of it based on how we'd like our communities to function. That isn't to make ourselves feel nice, that's to avoid conflict and facilitate progress.
Under that logic, charity, self-sacrifice, companionship, love, and whatever else are all different forms of self-satisfaction. I don't openly and vehemently disagree with that perspective, it has some merit. When I donate to a charity, I feel good about it. Denying that is silly.
That said, if all actions we take are self-satisfaction, then why bother painting it out in such a negative light? If there is no such thing as an entirely selfless act, then criticizing systems and actions that are as close to selfless as possible is an exercise in futility.
Defintely not the topic at hand, but your use of words is great. Almost as if I was reading out of a book. And to the anon below these are big words for all non-native speakers, trust me.
You're welcome. On the topic what is at hand though. First off it's a very debatable, what is right and what is wrong. I suppose you are right when you say that we have these morals to keep a functioning society, even though we all though it is entirely our nature. I'll admit I am rather selfish and given the opportunity I will always choose whats best for me but I think that we all tend to that if I'm being frank. Being selfish is not per se a bad thing, it is in what way you are selfish. You can still be selfish but also not be a hinderance to others in any way. Just to clarify I am not saying anyone here is entirely wrong or right on this subject., thats the great thing about it you can discuss endlessly.
Sorry bad habit from philosophy classes. They graded us on language as well and it's a ****** habit that stuck. If it sounds like I'm replacing logic with vocab words, my bad.
If you don't think it's a bad thing then it's perfectly okay. The tone I got from the guy I replied to at first implied that self-satisfaction was somehow a bad thing, which, if he really is nihilistic and thinks nothing matters, doesn't make much sense to me.
Not really, I'm just tired. It's not really that you use big words, it's that your sentences are kinda drawn out and 'fancy'. We don't take too kindly on your kind here...
Yeah. Well, I think he has one very pertinent point to it... People like to paint themselves as 'better than others' for whatever reason which would be a falsehood if people really only were operating in self interest.
Sure, if you use that definition of murder. Most societies consider killing another man on the battlefield to not be murder, so they don't view it as an immoral act.
The entire point of my comment was that societies are the ones which decide which act is immoral and which is not.
See, that's according to you. According to 99% of modern societies, if you kill someone by accident that's manslaughter. Different charges along with vastly different moral implications.
Other societies had much looser moral rules revolving around killing people. An article on headhunting will show plenty of this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headhunting
If you believe in absolutes, aka killing is always murder, lying is always wrong, etc. That's great, good for you. Expecting other people to subscribe to the same viewpoint is a bit silly though.
I don't see how you'd reach that conclusion. Are you really that feeble minded and fed with lies that you'd start shooting up a school if you came to that realisation?
Now I get it if you were slightly bothered with cognitive dissonance, but if you can't even think of them without thinking shooting up school, then I can only feel sorry for you
You are an antiphilosopher. And not in some cool, deep way either. More in a pseudophilosophical way, like someone who wants very badly to be a poet but can't come up with anything original and decides poetry itself is a crutch. Yes, the universe is absurd, yes, the majority of space is empty, but if you really believe that should reflect any philosophy you should live by... well, then you contradicted yourself by sharing it in the first place, for one. It's like the opposite of being devoutly religious, but just as dogmatic, just as philosophically suicidal. A total dead end, a boring conclusion to waste your time preaching, because Nihilism shouldn't be a conclusion, it should be a vehicle that carries you to existentialism, to absurdity, to exploring all sorts of ideas and philosophies with such a great potential to understand them, accept them, reject them, rinse and repeat, directly through the knowledge that none of them carry any objective truth and are simply ideological paintings and sculptures for your unyielding capacity for speculation and analysis, fields for you to traverse, explore, appreciate and enjoy until you're dead, which, yes, you will one day be...
But, hey, infinitereaper, if Nihilism gives you that sense of purpose you, as a human being, can't help but strive for...well, you do you. But don't argue when people disagree, because, as a Nihilist would say, "What's the point?"
The small minded never understand.
Humans need to evolve. Humanity has to change. But it won't, because it doesn't.
Humanity holds itself back, destroys the biosphere, and ruins itself at every turn and corner.
So exceedingly corrupt. With most nations on the path to national suicide.
The public is ignorant. Deluded, and chooses pretty lies over the cold reality.
You understand nothing. The way I operate is based on reality.
But this poor little world and it's poor people won't stand for it.
They've got to protect their illusions.
Even if it means the decline of our race.
As the population grows the average IQ declines.
As hundreds of years go by the average size of the human brain adjusted for size continues to shrink.
Disease is on the rise, on scale with pollution and the quality of the food supply.
You couldn't be more wrong. I think it all matters.
But in a world of mindless suicidal drones who refuse to let go of their delusions?
It really is pointless.
The only thing left is gaining the power to manipulate the masses, and move these puppets.
Humanity must evolve at any cost.
And I'll be damned, as long as this dying heart continues to beat, if I'll let any of you parasites stand in my way.
It's like you're basing your entire philosophy around some twelve year old's ill conceived book report on the abridged works of Nietzsche... not recognizing that to say that the universe is inherently cold is just as absurd as to say it is inherently warm and good. I wanna say you're being a troll, because I've looked through your youtube channel and you seem normal enough. Then again, your profile doesn't imply you've done too much trolling in the past...
How about you consider, just for a moment, your ignorance and current intellectual capacity leave you not understanding my point at all. The world you live in is an illusion. Yet you want to talk about silly.
It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who doesn't see things for what they are.
Warm, cold. There is no such thing.
Humanity is merely a product of it's biology.
The truth isn't found in feelings of justice or meaning. The truth is the truth.
And the truth is more important than anything.
Perhaps one day when you grow up, or have your illusions shattered right before your eyes, you'll think back to my words, and you'll understand.
For now enjoy the bliss. Like the rest of these fools.
American cover art Kirby always looks super edgy. He's angrier looking than the Japanese Kirby. As for the other characters, lesbian goku isn't what I'd use to describe them.
Rust, please behave, you ARE scaring the children and the adults, please, enjoy yourself while you still can, its not like your time here its going to change just because you are being the special one around the block. Life is what it is and there´s no way to change it
You aren't even being philosophical, you're just being edgy. You aren't special, everyone else knows this stuff too, but if you let this stuff dominate your life you're never going to be happy.
Now lets calm down with the philosophy here Platon. There are many rights or wrongs in this world we live in. For everyone its different, that makes uss uniqe.
PS: The egdyness is scaring the children. Isent it right to care for the children
Hey dude, maybe our morals are not the same, but you cannot deny, there's no such human being who does things for the sake of evil itself people always try to do what is "good" whether people see it differently.
People do everything they do in self interest. In other words selfishness. Good, evil. There is no difference. People who do good things do it because it feels good. People who do bad things do it because it feels good. It's all the same. So like I said. Just a game with made up rules. That's all this is. Life. Society. Civilization. For now.
Okay, let's hear a word from someone who was an ************ selfclaimed philosopher himself:
You are right. But experience with society tells me that everyone who doesn't take you serious in any way is right to do so. Because your thougts aren't helpful at all and everyone knows that besides you. Everything you say doesn't provide anything to the discussion and you are better off keeping that thoughts to yourself.
You will probably answer me now with some nihilistic **** . You will tell me that I should accept the truth and that I'm lying to myself. And to be honest, yeah, my answer doesn't matter in any way. But I sorta feel for you, that's why I want to advice you for the sake of your own happiness (and for the happiness of everyone around you) to stop being an edgy ******** as I was. Because it's a really unfullfilling existence.
inb4 "I find my lifestyle very fullfilling!"
No you don't. You just don't know yet how wonderful it is to not feel excluded all the time.
plus there is nothing wrong about self interest man, for as long as you don't harm or disrespect on someone's right. Say would you easily forgive me if I murder you and say It's part of the rules? of course not!
*sigh* well would it be better for people to do what they beleive is right? becuse from my understanding, bad is only "spoiled goodness" everything is good, just that one has to believe through his human nature what is the right thign to do... Plus what's so bad on doing good, to make yourself feel better?
Well, not exactly made up. More of... organically arrived at. For example, a person may feel good about killing people, and society may be unhappy when someone keeps killing people. Therefore, the majority will call this person "evil", and that person themself, with their nontraditional ideology, may try to argue, "but how can I be evil when what I do feels good?"
A silly argument, because society can just as well argue "How can it be good when to us it seems evil?"
You can't make any choice without making it. A Serial Killer kills and society responds as society will respond. Is morality objective? No, its based around years of evolution telling us "It is bad when humans kill humans". The occasional anomaly is treated as such. They aren't subject to some universal objective concept of evil or guilt, no such thing exists, and therefore is not what is being referred to with the word "evil". What is being referred to is what is seen by the accuser (whether they be an individual or a society) as wrong.
Subjective, yes, but still as real as whatever subjective feeling drove you to argue against it.
Jesus man, can I give you a hug and tell you everything will be ok in the end? Because I would really like you to feel a little more optimistic. There's nothing wrong with being a realist, mind you. I just want you to be a bit happier.
Most small-time criminals are just people who don't see any other way to make sure they have what they need , which is why teaching criminals work-related skills in jail is effective at stopping repeats.
I somewhat remember that story too but im pretty sure it ended up that the dad confessed whilst having a breakdown of some sort and it was found that he made up the entire thing about molesting his child.
When i first heard the story it was just "Dad molests child, gets gang raped in prison" i laughed but then learning the larger story it made me feel like **** .
I remember it prefectly. A guy confessed that his raped and murder his baby and confessed to it. As punishment, the inmates raped him fairly often. The whole thing was brought up because Prison rape was being called to question.
Yeah, in jails, a lot of the dudes in there are fathers, and love their kids. Murder 30 people? People are cautious of you. Raped a kid or child pornographer? You better make peace with God, you're dead.
**thehistorylover used "*roll picture*"** **thehistorylover rolled image**I've heard that in prison, if they find out you hurt a child, especially sexually, or an elderly person, you are going to be everyone's bitch.
A lot of people in gangs that are murderers, at worst, won't rape. You'd think that even most rapists wouldn't do it to a kid. There are also pedophiles who would live and die without acting on their impulses.
The world is weird.
Criminals in prison don't go after child molesters and rapists because their morals. They do it because they know the wardens will look the other way and not punish them severely for it.
It's like you think that criminals are sick, twisted sadists who actually enjoy killing people. **** man, most of them end up the way they do because they were raised in a culture where crime is accepted and the only way to get by in life. They just don't know better.
I'm not saying they don't know it's wrong, I'm saying they don't know how to be any different. Sure, a lot of people escape from that kind of life, but not nearly as many as those who can't figure out how. And unless you've got first-hand experience, I don't see why you would understand this any better than me, ******* .
My dad used to work in as a guard in a prison in Chicago, and he told me that pretty much anyone in the prison system who has any crime related to children (i.e. possession of child pornography, abuse, kidnapping, murder, etc.) are put into solitary confinement to protect them from the rest of the inmates. Surprisingly, inmates in prison have an honor code, and anyone who does anything to children is instantly taunted, abused, raped, and likely killed if not protected 24/7 by the guards.
As a correctional officer I can say, yeah pretty much. Some places they're just shunned by the population (ex. not allowed to watch tv, not allowed to go to recreation) but at others, they are out right hunted down. It's part of the "Convict code".
Honor code my ass. You know what is funny? Serial murderers thinking they have any right to look down upon anyone else let alone child molesters. I mean don't get me wrong molesting a child is pretty horrid crime on its own, but how many lives can a child molester destroy, compared to a serial killer?
They are both scum and both deserve their sentence, but I find it ******* hilarious that murderers think they have some moral high ground over child molesters.
I think that there are actually programs fro prisons in america, where the wardens have to guard pedophiles because they usually get killed or beaten to a pulp.
Look, it was a working prototype created by Howard Hughes. Howard Hughes doesn't build set-legs-on-fire machines, he builds machines that fly, because he's a genius and an American hero. What are you, a commie?
but... why did he check the files on the pc first instead of just picking it up?
was it his plan all along? did he know or suspect him of it and the whole point of the break-in was to find proof?
No they were VHS tapes ( why the **** anyone would steal VHS tapes i beyond me thought ) after seeing the content he dropped them off with directions to the original owner.
Maybe they were in something else he stole, like a box full of stuff or something? Or maybe they were labeled in a way that made him think they were regular pornos or whatever.
What if he was just searching the area of the house for valuables and came across a secret stash? Dunno if you've ever watched Law & Order: SVU, but most molesters hide their contraband somewhere hard to notice, IE under a floorboard, inside ceilings, that sort of thing. If the crook had experience he may have known where to look for valuables and instead finds a child rape stash.
Next thing, he calls the cops because there's a far worse monster involved.
"911, what is your emergency?"
"Yo, I'm robbing this guy's house-"
"You're robbing a house, sir?"
"Yeah, and I figured I could rub one out since they gone for the evening. So I'm on their computer, my draws around my ankles, and the sick mother ****** didn't close his porn! At first I was disgusted and appalled but then I noticed the porn was of young children."
"...So you looked up porn on somebody's computer, who you were trying to rob, and found child pornography."
"And I stole a sandwich from their refrigerator."
"...Cops will be there momentarily, sir."
"Warn them not to go into the bathroom, Taco Bell came back and kicked my ass like I owed rent."
My mind is a weird place.
Posting as anon because this opinion typically russles jimmies, but hear me out.
I always feel really bad for people who are attracted to children. They are seen as the epitome of evil and scum of the Earth and are often publicly humiliated. At the end of the day they can't help being attracted to children. It's in their programming. Albeit, something has clearly gone wrong, but I am of the opinion that something must also have gone wrong in homosexuals and transgenders and all the other tumblr-fairies who aren't merely pretending. There is no evolutionary advantage in being attracted to members of the same sex nor in being attracted to members of the species too young to procreate. These particular traits do not propagate the species in any way and therefore are against evolution and so I would dare to use the word 'unnatural'.
Now, I am not a homophobe - I believe that the existence of celebrated homosexuality in today's Western society is something to be really proud of. It is evidence that we as a species have transcended merely trying to survive: as individuals we now have much more purpose than to simply procreate. I simply use the term 'unnatural' because I am talking about a natural process - homosexuality is not chosen it is a part of an individual's nature, but in the same way that you don't choose to be gay - you don't choose to be attracted to children.
The difference is that being attracted to children is a problem, whereas being homosexual is not. Children are inherently naive and therefore any form of sexual contact with a child is and should be considered a violation of that child's rights. Put simply, children should be completely off-limits. There is no way to make a paedophile's attraction a safe reality but that does not make that individual evil, just in need of help. The only way forward is to 'cure' that individual. I feel sorry for them because there does not exist a method more advanced than psychology to assist them, and because the general public demonise them to the point where they are worse than men who chose to murder, who chose to steal and so I imagine it would be a monumental task to open up to anyone about these 'feelings'.
I am aware that paedophiles who go to prison choose to molest kids. My sympathy goes to those who are attracted to children and have managed to stifle their libido for their entire lives, those who cannot tell anyone of their unnatural desires to get help.
I agree with you on the morals. Just some minor nitpicking, there is a biological advantage to homosexuality, for the entire species in case of strict homosexuality and for the individual in the case of bisexuality. Some reptile species have males that attract more females if they engage in regular homosexual activites, oddly enough. Human homosexuals are not completely explained in this regard, though.
This is exactly what i believe but my friends think im secretely a pedophile for sympathizing with them. The thirst is real, especially when you cant quench it. It sucks all around
I completely agree with you. I kinda think the possesion of CP shouldn't be punishable. Or at least not by huge jail sentences. Distribution? Perhaps.
I mean when comes to owning CP, the damage has already been done, it's not like you can "unmolest" the victims and the dudes just want to have some good fap, which may reduce the chance they will actually commit to the act since they quenched the thirst. But maybe I'm wrong.
"So hey, since I told you guys about the kiddy porn, would you be like, totally ******* pissed if I made off with his TV to sell for crack? Just asking."
"It's one thing to be a criminal, it's another to be actual ******* scum"
Tumblr logic at work here, people. These people are scum. They're robbing other people's **** and selling it for a profit. This is what scum is.
I don't think all crime constitutes being called scum. Not everyone who smokes weed or shoplifts are scum.
But people who break into other people's homes are scum.
It's just that some scum is less scummy than other scum.
What's awesome is this is not an isolated case, This whole 'robber finds evidence on paedophile' has happened numerous times before.
My faith in humanity is far from broken.
I chatted for a while with a couple of prisoners on day release from a nearby prison For those who don't know, dayrelease is where prisoners with good behaviour and nearing the end of their sentence can be released from prison daily to volunteer, though they have to be back in prison by an allotted time and cant go elsewhere (we were both volunteering at a charity store), both said one universal thing from petty thieves to hardened criminals is that anyone that harms or abuses children is immediately considered the bottom-of-the-barrel scum and said prisoners convicted of these crimes are relentlessly beaten, tortured, raped in prison.
Dude thieves are made of best friend material if you keep your pockets empty. Though I've never stolen anything I can't say going on adventures with said friend hasn't brought forth some of the best experiences I've ever had.