School on monday. . hey Canadians urns and australians have fun at school on mummy we may have school on mummy, but will you have free health care on mummy? WIL School on monday hey Canadians urns and australians have fun at school mummy we may but will you free health care mummy? WIL
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hey Canadians urns and australians have fun at school on
mummy
we may have school on mummy, but will you have free health
care on mummy?
WILL YOU HAVE FREEDOM ON MONDAY?
AMERICA ISNT THE ONLY WITH FREEDOM
so YES, WE WILL HAVE FREEDOM ON MONDAY
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#6 - sandez
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>America
>Freedom

Pick one
#71 to #6 - anon id: 16c3a915
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>Freedom
>Living

Pick one.
User avatar #243 to #71 - toggme
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If you are alive you can do whatever you are ******* capable of physically. Go do it. You are free to do whatever you want if you are alive.
#121 to #6 - anon id: 3eddd655
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Be careful. You might cut yourself on all that edge.
#127 to #6 - anon id: 7942c26b
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Edgey
#300 to #6 - trollolololgabe
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thanks Obama...
User avatar #83 to #6 - gayboard
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A... Ameridom?
#228 to #6 - staviemagee
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Can someone help me out with this one? all I see are the two same words.
#232 to #6 - baconfattie
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#319 to #6 - chillybilly
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#326 to #319 - kaboomz
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#142 to #6 - europe
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When I say that people rage
#233 to #142 - dsgbiohazard
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User avatar #264 to #233 - theodordronen
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Hah, good luck. My dick is smaller than that
#311 to #264 - animedudej
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ohh, this is going to be fun!
User avatar #312 to #233 - Furubatsu
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All that's don't is remind me of a story a doctor said on 8 out of 10 cats
A patient went to Hong Kong and got very, very drunk. So drunk he hired a prostitute but couldn't get it up. He decided that that was means to not pay the prostitute and promptly fell asleep. The furious woman then took his money anyway and left.
A few weeks later back home the man began feeling this weird pain in his groin and after a while began peeing blood. Three months later he finally went to the doctor and an x-ray showed that the prostitute has pushed 8 pins up his penis and into his bladder.
#436 to #312 - benaz
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What the **** negro?
#306 to #233 - durkadurka
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#297 to #233 - rabidaardvark
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User avatar #280 to #142 - mazvaddox
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Probably cause your name is Europe lol.
#1 - deniable
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Freedom sure does look strange these days.
#14 to #1 - okaythen
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You do realize America is the only country with a domestic spying program?
User avatar #16 to #14 - heartlessrobot
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No we aren't, every country with the funds to do so is spying on every country they can afford to, including their own.
User avatar #201 to #16 - lolme
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There is a huge ******* difference between spying on a country to gain intelligence about their current situation and spying on a country by tapping into internet cables and satellites to listen to peoples conversations and view their internet history. America can go **** itself. Norway has the funds to do so, where is our program to spy on others? Stop with your ******** facts.
#283 to #201 - godgnoll
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>" listen to peoples conversations and view their internet history"
Yeah, government has nothing better to do than to listen to random crappy conversations or to look through internet history of random people.
User avatar #340 to #283 - lolme
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I think you need to go read some news cause you're either ignorant or uninformed.
#355 to #340 - godgnoll
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Having the ability to get personal information and actually getting it are different things.
#377 to #355 - godgnoll
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In addition, I don't think that everything that secret agencies are doing is always right, but at the same it is not something to be so concerned about, because it would be extremely difficult for them to use gained information in any hurtful way.
User avatar #459 to #377 - lolme
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Jesus, you can accept that people who have nothing to do with your personal information can get it, view it and assess it without you knowing simply due to the fact that there's almost no chance that they''ll use it against you in a harmful way? No wonder this world is going to ****.
#461 to #459 - godgnoll
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>"this world is going to ****"
You must be living in the differnt world than.
But, getting to the point, the reason why we don't give others our personal information is because they can use it against us. But if such a threat is eliminated than I see no reason to be so protective about it. Of course the idea of being watched seems uncomfortable to many people but after you think about it, it becomes clear that such fears are silly. Nobody is actually actively watching you or reading your messages thoroughly, or listening to your conversations - such activities would be just a waste of time and money because there is no real gain for government from them.
User avatar #462 to #461 - lolme
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You're ignorant, really ignorant. They might be actively watching you right now, all because you mentioned "bomb" in a post or whatever triggered their automated systems to add you into the "suspicious" list. This world is going to ****, and they can use this against us. If there was to break out a civil war in the future over the rights of the people and the government has all the information it needs on the "leaders" of the war, do you not think they will use this to shut them down? Kinda like Russia does with it's citizens when they criticise the government.

I will also add that I feel bad for you, you're willing to give up your rights for privacy simply because you think that the information won't be used to harm you.
#465 to #462 - godgnoll
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First of all Russia doesn't use personal information about its citizens against them, the government shuts them down just with brute force well enough.
And I would really like to hear how actually government can harm me using gained information.
User avatar #467 to #465 - lolme
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I didn't say they used personal information to shut them down, I said that they would shut them down like the russian government does when someone criticises putin or w/e. (Although Russia is quite happy to spy on it's citizens too, just like the US.)
#468 to #467 - godgnoll
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But that kind of proves the point that government has better ways of dealing with unwanted citizens than using their personal information.
User avatar #219 to #201 - heartlessrobot
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The difference is, no one's blown the cover on Norway's unnamed surveillance organization yet.
User avatar #342 to #219 - lolme
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Are you trolling or are you simply this stupid.
User avatar #458 to #342 - heartlessrobot
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No, I'm realistic. Always act like you're being watched, since you most likely are.
User avatar #309 to #14 - coolcalx
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in context, I'm pretty sure okaythen meant "isn't"
#431 to #309 - okaythen
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I did, oops
User avatar #260 to #1 - thrakerzad
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how does the NSA impede freedom? please note that simple looking through all your crap doesn't prevent you from doing things which is the definition of freedom.
User avatar #380 to #260 - deniable
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They impede freedom becau- it's a joke, calm yourself.
#386 to #1 - ncisagentgibbs **User deleted account**
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Oh how I wish the NSA could get their wake-up call.
Oh how I wish the NSA could get their wake-up call.
#2 to #1 - nospyonme
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#289 to #2 - anon id: c0f085b3
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I want in on that deal.
User avatar #293 to #289 - nospyonme
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I put that I enjoy grabbing stranger's junk on my resume, still didnt get hired.
#15 - traelos
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ITT: People who don't know what the word "freedom" means.
#132 to #15 - squeejee
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in the U.S you can own firearms, that's one freedom that the U.S has that not a lot of others have.
User avatar #308 to #132 - nustix
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People are stupid, when people start to realise this they found a government that makes rules. It's not a way to take freedom but to prevent such foolish people from hurting themselves. It's a like a dad watching over to his kid making sure he doesn't swallow lego's.
#393 to #308 - anon id: e52c181f
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i don't want a dad spying through keyholes and watching me masturbate.
worse: i don't want the dad of some boy far across the ocean spying through my keyhole, watching me masturbate.
User avatar #435 to #393 - nustix
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true but that has nothing to do with carrying fire arms and ******* horses.
User avatar #447 to #132 - kyouko
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You can own firearms in many places. It's just a difference in how to achieve them.
#244 to #132 - anon id: c0b47bc6
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not for long
#286 to #244 - squeejee
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its a sad truth
User avatar #145 to #15 - rockamekishiko
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but there are degrees of freedom
#156 to #15 - anon id: 9b640e8a
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Not to mention that it would be extremely difficult to hang somebody in Stalin´s Russia for comparing Stalin´s Russia to Stalin´s Russia.
#24 to #15 - zyketor
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User avatar #305 to #15 - oux
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But I'm not hung if I would compare Sweden to Stalin's Russia either... So what's your point?
User avatar #455 to #305 - traelos
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Neither of them is very comparable to Stalin's Russia.
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User avatar #456 to #138 - traelos
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>2013
>Not understanding why Stalin was evil
>"he spied on his people"
>No one ******* cares
>It's about the whole starving/shooting a couple dozen million of his people *******
>Then comes the economic destruction
>Then comes the "I tell you where you live and what your job is"
>Then comes the gulags
>Then comes the lack of free elections
>Then comes the propaganda campaigns
>Then comes the spying

So no, the U.S. is not on a comparable level of "evil" to Stalin's Russia.
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User avatar #474 to #466 - traelos
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But that makes for an empty comparison.

When you compare the U.S.'s spying program to the U.S.S.R., for one, you're probably doing a **** job of it, since the U.S.S.R.'s spying program was a bad thing only because they then used that information to oppress and murder millions, and for two, you lend credibility to the ever more common misconception that the U.S. government is up to some "spooky ****" as I've heard it called.

There's just so many implications with certain comparisons that they can longer be taken at face value. While you may not be directly saying it, when you compare even the littlest thing in basically any government to the U.S.S.R. or Nazi Germany you are saying "I believe this government intends ill upon its citizens and is a threat to liberty and life everywhere". This is particularly relevant when you're comparing things that appear very commonly, but not usually very openly, such as domestic spying programs.

I mean basically, you're saying we should "rightfully despise" spying programs because Stalin used one to kill millions. However, if you measure on it's own merits and not empty comparisons to other regimes you'd realize the NSA is excessively overstated and does almost nothing. The fact of the matter is all that "spying" and "invasion of privacy" being done by the NSA isn't actually being done. It may be recorded in a database somewhere who you called when, or what website you went to, but no living human being ever has, or ever will see that information. The NSA is spying on you no more than your ISP or phone company is, and to state or imply otherwise is irresponsible and unethical, or at least misinformed/downright stupid.

I mean it's like saying "Hitler came to power through a free election, so did Obama, the U.S. is up to something!"
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User avatar #481 to #478 - traelos
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The only people who think collecting information is something to dislike in and of itself are idiots.

We dislike Stalin because he killed millions of his own people, not because he kept track of them. Understand that.
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User avatar #51 - ninegagxd
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I don't care what people say, America is still way better to live in. And universal healthcare is ******* retarded. Why should we not pay to go to the doctor?
User avatar #147 to #51 - Leopard
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Enjoy the violence.
User avatar #162 to #51 - thedemonic
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I don't have to pay the equivalent of $175 whenever i need a new asthma inhaler, and i have gone through hundreds so far in my life.
User avatar #57 to #51 - thebestpieever
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We pay, we just pay in taxes that cover everything from the flu to a high-risk operation. And our health care expenses are lower than the US.
User avatar #77 to #57 - orkanoidz
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I don't mean to sound like a heretic Being Canadian but, in his defense we have around 1/8 the population. Ratio wise however, we have a higher ratio of expenses. In our defense, these expenses are overwhelmed with the economic income these expenses generate in working citizens.
User avatar #112 to #77 - thebestpieever
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I'm not Canadian, I'm British and I live in the US. But I get what you're saying.
#114 to #112 - orkanoidz
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Happy Face.
Happy Face.
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User avatar #119 to #118 - orkanoidz
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Okay then mate.
User avatar #56 to #51 - orkanoidz
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Canada has a 20% static tax rate. for example may have changed but it's what I think it is As in a man who makes 1mil a year pays 200G's to the government per year, and a man who makes 20G's per year pays 4G's. If both men have an accident that requires a 66,000$ set of procedures; both get it worry free.
#430 to #56 - anon id: f9d8de06
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You don't understand our tax system at all! It's not static, not even a little bit
#349 to #56 - smbiosis
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The ironic part is that your 'static' tax, or flat tax, is considered more 'regressive' than our tax system.
#334 to #56 - anon id: 39fdfbb7
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What sucks though is that it will take both of them month's to get the procedure done.

When you have universal healthcare, healthcare becomes much less available to you.
we have family friends who live in Sault St. Marie, Canada, and when he had a mild heart attack he was told it would be three weeks before he could meet with his physician to discuss treatment.

I'm not saying free healthcare is the devil, it has it's merits. But people really need to stop pumping rainbows up it's ass and assuming that there are no downsides to it
#437 to #334 - anon id: 6dbf4c81
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It's true that sometimes it's slower, but it totally depends where you are in Canada, and the severity of your problem. We treat the people who need it most first. I like my system in Canada, because there is so much more humanity. Why should someone die because they can't afford a procedure, when the rich can do it no sweat? We the public have an obligation to help. In Canada, our heavy progressive taxation ensures that everyone can live a minimum quality of life. Also, it keeps the rich in line because the highest tax bracket it just under 30%. This means people pay 29% tax on every dollar 135,054$. Lowest tax bracket is 15$. It might seem less free, but what is freedom?
It's equality of opportunity, (that is opportunity to live a good life). If someone is genetically inclined to disease, how is it liberal to say "pay for it yourself."
It's sad that some people love their hard earned money more than the well being of others.
User avatar #150 to #56 - Darianvincent
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So the overachieving types in Canada get ****** over? Sounds unpleasant
User avatar #161 to #150 - bladeariet
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no the people who can afford it get mildly inconvienced
#288 to #150 - sursum
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Percentage tax rate isn't ******* someone over, if you have a flat $10,000 tax then the man who makes 20,000 a year is paying 50% of his income while the man making 200,000 is only paying 5%. Explain to me how having tax as a percentage of income is unfair.
Percentage tax rate isn't ******* someone over, if you have a flat $10,000 tax then the man who makes 20,000 a year is paying 50% of his income while the man making 200,000 is only paying 5%. Explain to me how having tax as a percentage of income is unfair.
#301 - CapnInterwebz
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Oh god, the free healthcare debate again? The main difference between Europe and the US is that the US was founded with a sense of individuality. From 1776 and the years leading up to it the colonists enjoyed living their lives free of any government influence. Hence, they revolted when King George tried to tax them for various things. Most Americans still feel the need to prove themselves by working hard to pay for what they want on their own terms, without help from some large overhead institution. It might be an archaic way of thinking, but it's there nonetheless. The problem now is that an increasing amount of people can't provide for all the things they want/need, and that's where Obamacare comes in.   
   
Meanwhile, in some European countries (correct me if I'm wrong) there tends to be a greater sense of community and cooperation, some strange end result after spending thousands of years slaughtering each other. In Europe more people are willing to sacrifice a bit more of their own earnings for the collective greater good.    
   
It's a major ideological difference, I think, and it can't be changed by one law or one program. There's no point in debating who's right, because we're talking about two separate cultures forged in different fires that will always hold some differences to the very end.
Oh god, the free healthcare debate again? The main difference between Europe and the US is that the US was founded with a sense of individuality. From 1776 and the years leading up to it the colonists enjoyed living their lives free of any government influence. Hence, they revolted when King George tried to tax them for various things. Most Americans still feel the need to prove themselves by working hard to pay for what they want on their own terms, without help from some large overhead institution. It might be an archaic way of thinking, but it's there nonetheless. The problem now is that an increasing amount of people can't provide for all the things they want/need, and that's where Obamacare comes in.

Meanwhile, in some European countries (correct me if I'm wrong) there tends to be a greater sense of community and cooperation, some strange end result after spending thousands of years slaughtering each other. In Europe more people are willing to sacrifice a bit more of their own earnings for the collective greater good.

It's a major ideological difference, I think, and it can't be changed by one law or one program. There's no point in debating who's right, because we're talking about two separate cultures forged in different fires that will always hold some differences to the very end.

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america was a colonial state ruled by the nations that OWNED the colonies prior to the british and french stomping over most of it then each other n then you guys revolt because u decided to form ur own, our governments have free healthcare and yours dont, the only differance is the thousands of years of history and experience our countries can draw on, while urs is making all the silly selfish mistakes that are leading it into oblivion n because ur country is so dam greedy we are all feeling the pull. your government is signle handedly ruining the modern world and your country is full of uneducated assholes. dont try and defend urself ive been there enoguh times to know what ur country is like, and a country full of selfish stupid assholes dies slowly...at first

#365 to #301 - cadaverbox
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But to clarify, American is right.
#215 - rtorc
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everytime i hear about american freedom I must think about this one day I went to an american school with my english class and we were allowed to visit some classes ( I live near ramstein air base ) an I went to the creative writing class and the teacher said the teenager should write a poem about a person they see every day and this one kid said "hahaha my drug dealer"... me and my german buddy had a good laugh with him but all the other kids and the teacher were shocked... the kid got suspended from class... he then even told me that they were'nt even allowed to color their hair... so yeah... nice freedom
User avatar #262 to #215 - avatarsarefornoobs
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yeah but thats a ******* dumb thing to say, really.
User avatar #240 to #215 - makotoitou
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Somethings tells me that you're not suppose to tell people that you're breaking the law.
User avatar #245 to #240 - randomserb
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Something tells me that jokes shouldn't be taken seriously.
User avatar #249 to #245 - makotoitou
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Tru
#250 to #215 - caplocker
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" ramstein air base"

There's the problem. Our military are probably the least free.
#257 to #250 - rtorc
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I don't know... seemed like a normal school to me and not a military school... but I get your point
#258 to #257 - caplocker
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I've been to both, lol. Trust me, it's not normal.
#256 to #215 - anon id: 156ec34d
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Those schools are run by the Department of Defense- I used to go to one, they're completely different.
User avatar #323 to #215 - nigeltheoutlaw
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There are so many problems with this story that I'm not sure where to begin.
User avatar #237 to #215 - finni
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America is not the only Western Industrialized nation like that. Japan is an example of just that
#338 to #237 - xxmemosxx
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But Japan doesn't go around parading freedom like they invented it... neither do non-retarded Americans but you get the point
User avatar #482 to #338 - finni
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Yeah, they parade other... stuff...
User avatar #433 to #215 - ninjafaggots
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HOLY DICKS I LIVED AT THE GARRISON IN BAUMHOLDER!!!!!

Sorry, never met another DoDDs person on FJ. Thumb for you.
#238 to #215 - spikereynolds
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Yea, but the American school system is ******, man.
User avatar #22 - strikingeight
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Free health care is stupid.
User avatar #25 to #22 - srooblets
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It looks good on paper.. but it doesn't work.
User avatar #26 to #25 - brockyboi
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It does though. You're able to actually look up how it's worked in multiple countries.
#133 to #26 - squeejee
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But it wont work in the U.S. there aren't enough people who want Obama care.
User avatar #310 to #133 - coolcalx
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more people prefer the Affordable Care Act over Obamacare.

which is funny because they're the same thing.
User avatar #27 to #26 - strikingeight
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That money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere is most likely my pay check. Why should I have to pay for other peoples problems?
#59 to #27 - orkanoidz
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The fact is that everything your government does for you is from your damn paycheck. All those pretty roads, various buildings, and many other things come from your paycheck. Why not just add ******* saving people's lives onto that paycheck.    
   
Stop being such an uneducated **** and think about things for a second. You can either see that it makes sense or you can rationalize it as your money and forget you already are forced to pay money to the government for all the other nice **** the government does for you.
The fact is that everything your government does for you is from your damn paycheck. All those pretty roads, various buildings, and many other things come from your paycheck. Why not just add ******* saving people's lives onto that paycheck.

Stop being such an uneducated **** and think about things for a second. You can either see that it makes sense or you can rationalize it as your money and forget you already are forced to pay money to the government for all the other nice **** the government does for you.
User avatar #61 to #59 - strikingeight
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I'd gladly pay for something that helps me out in life. But why should I help those who can't even help themselves?
User avatar #63 to #61 - fukkentyranitar
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Because its called human compassion?
User avatar #337 to #63 - nigeltheoutlaw
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Whoa man, conservatives in America don't have any of that.
User avatar #65 to #61 - orkanoidz
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It's a tax rate bud. Everyone pays it, chances are, it'll only be 1-2% of your income. Which means everyone is doing the exact same thing as you. Get over it, you live in a democratic nation about creating an equally free state of the people. If one person is ****** over, the funds have to come to make that person able to continue to pursue their craft and make a living. Where do all funds come from in a country?; from taxes.
#220 to #61 - anon id: 65bc7519
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>Implying you won't get a cancer at age 60 and probably die of It because you can't pay the costs of the treatment.

We're humans, we don't let other humans die only because they're poor.

Its funny because almost every unecated cunt who hates obama care would benefit from it. Public healthcare only will "steal money from your paycheck" if you're making like 160k+ a year, and judging how stupid you're I doubt you ever make it.
User avatar #81 to #27 - hudis
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Because humanity would never have gotten anywhere if people only cared about themselves. I don't know if you realise, but this influx of individuality and independence in modern society is a fairly new idea. Previously people had to work together, live together and care about each other even if they didn't know one another to survive and make progress. I would argue that that hasn't changed - and I'm saying that as a very independent introvert who would rather not have that much to do with other people if I didn't believe it was essential.
User avatar #85 to #81 - strikingeight
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WHAT?! LOL. Individualism has been around for centuries. Capitalism seemed to work just fine for America for the past hundred years.
User avatar #90 to #85 - hudis
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By 'new' I mean the recent few centuries - which is a very short time compared to our 10,000+ years of civilization. And yes, individualism has been around for a long time, but it has gotten more and more widespread in the west more recently - largely due to technological development, some say. The thing is that even so, we mustn't delude ourselves that it's solely good even if it's comfortable and feels good. Try imagining a society, a nation, where every single citizen only cares about him/herself and in extension their family. Do you see that working in the long run?
User avatar #94 to #90 - strikingeight
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It breeds competition, which creates better goods. I say that is a good thing.
User avatar #101 to #94 - hudis
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And how do you create goods at all if people refuse to work together because they don't see why they should help anyone else create goods? It works in a business, yes, but a country isn't a business and it shouldn't be run like one.
User avatar #106 to #101 - strikingeight
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Can't earn money if you don't produce goods, need to work with someone else to make goods.
User avatar #412 to #106 - hudis
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Are you being intentionally dense?
#221 to #94 - anon id: 65bc7519
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>All that brainwash pls stop posting bro
User avatar #29 to #27 - brockyboi
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Because the world isn't about you. You were not put on this earth so you could get a paycheck and never have to care about another soul. If you were ever in a disaster, you would be more than happy to accept help and benefits. We're trying to live in a civilization here and it's really hard when people outright refuse to help people in need. Not to mention that one reason why insurance prices are so high is because of uninsured people. I'm sorry I had to let you know that the world doesn't revolve around you, but it's sadly a fact.
#31 to #29 - strikingeight
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It should be my choice whether or not I want to help someone else out economically, not the governments. If they can't afford health care, then that's their own God damn fault. Making me and other successful people (whom probably already are donating to charity) pay for **** ups will not only create more poverty, but will entice more people not to work because they don't have to work for it.
#34 to #31 - blobbo
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So it should be my choice to pay for infrastructures, military and culture? What if you were an orphan? Should i let you die on the street cause you're not me and i will not gain any economic advantage if you survive?
User avatar #35 to #34 - strikingeight
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Health care and basic government necessities are two different things. Actually, there is an economic advantage to helping an orphan. If you raise it right, you can create a productive citizen.
User avatar #43 to #35 - hoponthefeelstrain
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healthy people- person who can work more and benefit the economy. If someone can't afford something it's not their fault, not everyone deserves to be poor and not every poor person is a lazy ****.
User avatar #45 to #43 - strikingeight
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No, no one deserves to be poor. But that doesn't mean I should suffer as well. Most of the time people are being lazy/waste money.
User avatar #62 to #45 - orkanoidz
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Why are you such a generalizing **** head. Everyone suffers ass hole. It's how government works, you're stuck in a ****** world, everything is pre-placed and you have no power to change it. So why not deal with it and realize that every single person around you has to deal with it as well, also realize that for every dollar you spend on tax health care helps to produce a working person of society. Slowly increasing the money income average and making the world a better place.
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I do feel I let my rage get to me here and I sorely apologise for my language. However, my point stands.
User avatar #66 to #62 - strikingeight
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Okay so. You and Tyrone are in school one day. You take a test and get %100, while Tyrone gets %40. Is it fair to give him %20 of your grade so that he can pass the test?
User avatar #67 to #66 - orkanoidz
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Wow, you just combined a school grade percentage to the life and prosperity of a human being. What kind of a feasible argument is this? Should I give you a percentage of my Wifi because you have less than me? Or should you give me 20% of your grade that passes you a master's degree because I ****** up?

Yes, I get your point, why pay money to someone who does nothing? The fact is that is the minority of the group that would need a imposed health care. Some people are ******* selfless assholes that do nothing for an economy.I understand that, and I hope and wish that laws that prevent people like this from abusing the system, or forcing them to reintegrate into the economy.

Your view is idled on the fact that Tyrone over here is an asshole who can't do anything compared to the nine other students that failed the test because they needed extra help and couldn't get it.
User avatar #68 to #67 - strikingeight
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That's how most of these people on welfare are.
User avatar #72 to #68 - orkanoidz
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Again, one little Tyrone, and nine hard working failure's that just couldn't get the help they needed. Go look up studies on this and see most people on welfare seriously need it.

Stop being ignorant and bring something to the table other than how much of an ignorant prick you are. Preferably some facts on why Health care is stupid and why you should keep your money instead of helping the economy. Because if the economy fails, you are ****** and will die on the streets like everyone else.
#186 to #68 - anon id: 7e98215a
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...cont. heartbroken about how she cant afford to get us much for christmas and now she's trying to sell the engagement ring from her ex so she can pay my PHONE BILL while im at university

Which also, **** you on that point too. I'm a ******* great student, I graduated on the honour roll with straight A's and you know what kind of scholarship money i got? none. zip. zilch. I applied for an entrance bursary of 2000 and got it because i'm from a low income family. My education for one TERM costs $8,343 (and that's a hell of a lot cheaper than most American schools). The only way I am ABLE to go to university and get a good job is that the government gives me grant money and loans. Otherwise i would be stuck working fast food cause my rents fell on hard times at the wrong time.

And by the way, my mom's a university grad too. So you can shut up, educate yourself and have some compassion you entitled piece of ****.
#183 to #68 - anon id: 7e98215a
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Alright mother ****** I'm going to tell you a story.

Don't you ******* dare tell me what people on welfare are like you ignorant ****. My mother worked for an insurance company for 22 years before being let go cause her boss had a stroke and her new boss had a weird prejudice against her. She was a hard working productive member of society and then BAM. **** happens.

She worked at a grocery store until finding another insurance job, which she was let go of two weeks ago for not immediately responding to an email. She's a single mom who's worked her ass of trying to make a home for her kids near our school and now she has no source of income. So yea she's getting government help now.

This ******* welfare will provide enough money to pay for our rent for one last month before she's forced to move back in with our grandma. She calls me everyday telling me about the interviews she's had and how she's trying so hard to find stuff to sell to make her car payment and she's heartbroken..
#36 to #35 - blobbo
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And if you save the life of an ill citizen who is already productive is bad? Damn logic...
User avatar #33 to #31 - brockyboi
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Noooooooooo, that's not how it works. First off, if a kid was born into a poor family where there's only one parent who can't make a decent wage to provide for her family, you're going to just say "**** you" and blame them for being poor? What would you like them to do? Buy more money? And why the hell should YOU be in charge of who gets to be protected? Just because you're alive doesn't really make you all that important to really anybody. I would rather have it law that everyone is insured and protected, rather than just hope that "strikingeight" over here feels like helping someone by donating $10 every now and then to girl scouts. Again, you're on the internet so you're allowed to look up how other countries around the world are doing. The socialist ones are doing just fine and they have a low amount of poor people and have amazing governments that help people. Again, if something terrible were to happen to you, I can almost guarantee that you'd be absolutely begging for help. It's like when some New Yorkers hated all the government spending, then went through hurricane Sandy, and then asked for relief aid. They certainly deserved that aid, but only wanted it because it affected them. You're not trying to help anyone out, you're just a selfish prick.
User avatar #38 to #33 - strikingeight
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That is a rare occurrence. Most of these people have the ability to provide for their family, but instead waste it on trivial items. If they work hard enough, they can support a family (something I want done is making it illegal to have more children if you are on welfare) BECAUSE IT'S MY ******* HARD WORK BEING WASTED ON THESE PEOPLE. I worked for it, I should decide where I want my money to go. Those countries don't have a government spending problem/ massive debt. If they were in the same situation as us, they would've crashed their economy a long time ago. No, I would not be begging for help, I would look for it, but begging is not me. I'm a selfish prick for wanting to get the most I can out of my hard work? No, what is selfish is demanding I "pay my fair share" to people who sit on their ass and do nothing but blow their money away on things they do not need.
#248 to #38 - zhader
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Holy ****, aren't you an ignorant ********..

People on wellfare doesn't blow their money away on trivial items, not if they can't even make ends meet and have to savor every penny, seriously it's common sense?

And if people do, then please sir, do show me the statistics saying that the reason why poor people doesn't have any money, is because they spend it all on useless crap..
User avatar #404 to #31 - hudis
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You are assuming that everyone is as selfish as you are, and as ready to exploit the rights they feel entitled to just because they can. Furthermore, you are putting socialism under a symbol of communism. The only thing that shows is ignorance. Take a look here at this very simple explanation to learn why you are wrong:

www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism
#47 to #31 - anon id: cf6e0989
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Yes, because every poor person was put in their position as a result of their own mistakes, and an accidental injury is completely their fault.
User avatar #44 to #31 - kamusioso
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How is their fault?
User avatar #46 to #44 - strikingeight
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In America, they have everything they need to become successful. An education, prospering business, supportive parents (most of the time), college scholarships, and the list goes on and on. If they don't take advantage of it, it's their own fault.
User avatar #49 to #46 - kamusioso
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No they don't, not everyone does. What if you are born in a poor family and you have to work since you are a little kid and can't get an education? What if you don't have parents because they died in an accident (because some prick decided there wouldn't be universal healthcare)? Or you don't get an scolarship because you don't have perfect grades or you are not excelent in sports? Not everyone can go to college.
Some people drive cabs, become strippers, waiters, and the list goes on and on. Those people can't afford healthcare on their own, and you are neglecting it because you say they didn't effort enough, on what basis? Who are you to judge?
User avatar #52 to #49 - strikingeight
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If you work long enough, you can get a higher paying job there. (Not everyone needs an education to be successful, but if it's here, then you might as well use it to the best of your ability). Again, their parents should've used all that was available to them to the best of their ability which is a lot . If you don't get perfect grades, that's your fault. I do agree that the sports thing is bull ****. They are there because they did not put in enough effort. I'm telling you, if they worked at it when they were younger they would not have such ****** jobs.
User avatar #75 to #52 - nsfwlurkmore
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If I'm dyslexic, or I have other disabilities which make studying near impossible, you want me to get perfect grades? If I'm paralyzed you want me to be athletic? What kind of ****** up person are you.
User avatar #78 to #75 - strikingeight
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If you read further into the conversation you would read that I said you don't need to be good at school and the sports thing is ****** up. Just find a talent.
User avatar #80 to #78 - nsfwlurkmore
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Man whatever, too much **** in this conversation.
I don't agree with your opinion, but I understand why you'd think that way.
User avatar #82 to #80 - strikingeight
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Too hard for you to read I suppose.
User avatar #91 to #82 - nsfwlurkmore
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No, I already read it. That's why I don't feel like saying anything else.
User avatar #96 to #91 - strikingeight
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And yet you continue to reply.
User avatar #53 to #52 - kamusioso
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That's not how the ******* world works... You can work hard all your life and never acomplish anything, and you can not work a day of your life and be wealthier than scrooge mc duck because your rich uncle just died.
There's nothing that ensures you that a person is poor or living on the streets because it didn't work hard enough, and there's nothing that ensures you that if a person works hard enough will be rich. That is ********
Also, not every kid would be able to get perfect grades in school just by working hard, there are kids who need special courses, or psychiatrists, but if they can't afford it, sucks to be them
STOP GENERALISING
User avatar #60 to #53 - strikingeight
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Yes it is actually. Find something you are good at. Everyone has a special ability. Work at it. Put effort into it. You will come out successful. But the majority of people come out with great grades. So are you saying we should all have to pay for the minority?
User avatar #70 to #60 - kamusioso
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Most people have mediocre grades. Second, not everyone is good at something, that's just an illusion that people have not to feel that you are useless, and even if you have a talent, most of them are not suitable for jobs. What's wrong with paying for the minority? You say you'd do charity, it's basically the same thing, and if the situation was the inverse i'd bet my ass you'd love people would pay for you!
User avatar #76 to #70 - strikingeight
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You don't necessarily need good grades to be successful as I've said before to be successful. My father never finished high school and he makes more money than I'll ever make in a life time. Yes, everyone has a talent. Even autistic morons have talents, and they excel at it. It is the majority we need to worry about, we don't need to change everything just because a few people aren't doing as well as the others. I never said that, I said other people would. No, I have pride, I would never take money from other people like that. If anything I would try to seek them out and give their RIGHTFUL COMPENSATION BACK.
User avatar #88 to #76 - kamusioso
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Economy isn't the same as 20, 30 or 40 years ago, my dad also never went to university and we are wealthy too, but that's not possible in todays economy. If you want to get a decent job, you need at LEAST a highschool diploma. If you get perfect grades in high school, you could get a scolarship and go to uni, and maybe graduate and get a better job. HOWEVER, check how many conditionals I have used so far
"we don't need to change everything just because a few people aren't doing as well as the others."
First up, it isn't a few, second up, you are afraid of change
Don't you see everyone is against you in this matter? maybe you are the one that is wrong
PS: I'm not even american
User avatar #92 to #88 - strikingeight
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I am not afraid of change, I like it, but people are changing the wrong things. And compared to the rest of us, it is a few. No, I am doing this on the internet, liberals dominate this place. If I did it in the real world, I would have far more support.
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I'm a conservative, I think you're missing a few chromosomes.

Also I'm a Canadian forced to live in america due to age and having to follow my parents because of the 200 jobs my father applied for with the best qualifications of his field and none picked him because someone else had brownie points.
User avatar #102 to #92 - kamusioso
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It's never a few when it comes to people, remember that
User avatar #84 to #76 - orkanoidz
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Rightful compensation, you mean returning a working or bringing a non-working citizen into the economy to generate funds? Meaning the economy stays strong for your paycheck so you don't end up on the streets?

Everyone's talent is more likely than not going to get them on the streets from massive competition or the fact it has no use for the world to care about.

Also you seem to be the kind of person who would rather instigate Nazi America and kill off all the minority and cause the entire world to hate you and destroy you. Tell me I'm wrong, because abandoning the minority all together achieves the same goal but at a slower pace.
User avatar #87 to #84 - strikingeight
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Capitalism, my dear, is wonderful. To be honest, my only problem with the Nazi's was the holocaust, the rest I actually liked.
User avatar #95 to #87 - orkanoidz
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In capitalism everyone is given the chance to prosper, but the same chance to fail.

You can claim the "minority" to fail when in reality the minority is literally 45% of the USA in your economic standards compared to the amount of money you should keep.

You can claim everyone is just a **** up all you want but it doesn't change the fact that the Universe does whatever the **** it wants and picks and chooses among eighty people looking for the same thing in life to succeed and only chooses seven. Capitalism is competition and even among those equally matched one is chosen and one is forced to live a less prosperous life because the dice did not roll in his favour. Get your head out of your ass and see everything is not black and white, everything has a gradient and in this case the gradient is leaning to the fact many people have no choice or ability to change the way they are living as your "minority".
User avatar #97 to #95 - strikingeight
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All welfare/ "free" healthcare will do is cause more poverty. No one is successful when business fails.
User avatar #100 to #97 - orkanoidz
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All of the nations using universal healthcare beg to differ. All sources of failing economies don't even remotely trace back to Universal Healthcare.

Please go educated yourself before you spout biased opinions.
User avatar #103 to #100 - strikingeight
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*cough* Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy *cough* The rest of those nations don't have a failing economy. All free healthcare / welfare will do is cause business's to fire it's employees to continue making money.
User avatar #104 to #103 - orkanoidz
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Who's fault is that? Corporate Greed, exactly what you are doing. Now isn't that a surprise.
User avatar #89 to #87 - kamusioso
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Capitalism is the worlds greatest mistake. If you don't even know that, we can't even begin to argue
User avatar #93 to #89 - strikingeight
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Communism destroys the world.
User avatar #105 to #93 - kamusioso
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Communism and Capitalism aren't two sides of a coin. Neither are perfect systems. We need another system that works.
User avatar #108 to #105 - strikingeight
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I like Capitalism right now because it works best, so I'll stick with it until something better comes along.
User avatar #110 to #108 - kamusioso
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What you don't see, is that Capitalism isn't working, it's destroying the planet, and their economies can't live for long
User avatar #99 to #93 - orkanoidz
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Only when Capitalism sais no, **** your way of life, ours is right.
User avatar #64 to #60 - orkanoidz
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You already do pay for the minority.
User avatar #181 to #49 - approval
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I'm allowed to judge cause I was in one of the positions you've mentioned and I think privatized healthcare is better. I was born in a low income house hold, both parents had 2 jobs plus I had problems learning. Then my father died and my mom had to start working a 3rd job just to make ends meet, I really saw her while I was growing up. I ****** up in high school so much(was fairly smart, but I skipped a lot) which caused me to not get my diploma. You want to know how ****** of a feeling that is? I decided taking situations i had in place for granted was something I didn't want to do anymore. So I went back, got my GED and found a job where I started at the lowest position and I worked my way up and now I own my own house and make enough money where living isn't luxury, but comfortable. Most people in every example of life in this country has the opportunity to become something. Most just choose not to and that's what pisses me off. College isn't always the answer. It wasn't something for me and I did something that most people in this country don't do and that's bust my ass to get where I currently am. I do not sympathize with people in these situations cause I was one who was in this situation and did what I needed to do to get myself out.
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So basically. You say, that you have problems learning...
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I'd say I had problems acting like a ******* idiot and making poor choices without realizing the possible consequences.
User avatar #405 to #181 - kamusioso
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Okay, so you say that first, both your parents had 2 jobs, then your dad died, then your mom had a third job, only to feed you, and still you were a little **** and skipped school.
I know how you feel, but wouldn't it have helped your mom if she didn't have to pay healthcare and (therefore) didn't have to take a third job?
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I'd say I was more so a ******* moron than a little ****, but I accepted the consequences I put myself in. Thinking how my mother must of felt only made the guilt that much worse and made me feel more of a piece of **** than I already did. Now we did have healthcare and her 3rd job was what paid for it.
User avatar #472 to #469 - kamusioso
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Exactly, think of it this way, if the government, aka, other people, payed it for you, then your mom wouldn't had to work her ass of 3 jobs, you see my point?
User avatar #473 to #472 - approval
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Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. My only qualm with it is I refuse to believe that it's going to be as good as privatized healthcare. And I do not believe people should be penalized if they refuse to have it.
User avatar #475 to #473 - kamusioso
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But it is working perfectly fine in other countries, maybe we should agree to disagree and leave it here
User avatar #476 to #475 - approval
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I can agree with that lol. We have two different point of views on this and arguing/discussing it won't really lead to anything of value since we're both on opposite sides for this topic anyways.
User avatar #28 to #27 - melontwilight
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So they'll pay for yours as well.
User avatar #32 to #28 - strikingeight
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I already have one I like, and I don't need other people supporting me.
#159 to #22 - alexanderh
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The happiest country, according to the Huffington Post, is Denmark. One of the major reasons is the free health care, and our mentality of helping each other as the only normal thing to do. And the US? They're number 17. For your convenience, here are the reasons listed in the article:
We support parents: We have a very long parental leave, with women getting 18 weeks, and men getting their own 2 weeks of leave. There are all sorts of support for getting someone to care for your child while you work, and most of it is free.
Free health care: We expect and receive free health care (as long as it's not dentistry), and visit our doctor an average of almost seven times per year. It's also the same doctor, which can get comforting. Especially since they usually remember you and what illness you have.
gender equality: We have very high gender equality, with plenty of women in leadership positions. Our current head of state is a woman. We really don't care if it's a man or a woman, as long as they are skilled.
Biking: We generally ride our bikes everywhere. Personally, I ride my bike to school every day, and last year we had temperatures at about -20 degrees celsius. This helps both health and happiness, and saves us millions every year in road maintenance (due to less strain on the road).
"hygge": "hygge" is a danish concept, with no real word for it in english. Basically, during the winter, we sit inside, eat chocolate, and enjoy the company of each other.
collective responsibility: We feel like it is our responsibility that the people around us are happy. We care a lot about each other.

But a major reason is the free health care. All of the top countries have free health care, without exception.

source: www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/denmark-happiest-country_n_4070761.html
And The Huffington Post has their info from a UN survey, with the results published in the World Happiness Report. So I'd say that the source is pretty trustworthy.
User avatar #315 to #159 - wtfduud
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The word you're looking for is Cozy.
(hygge)
#480 to #315 - alexanderh
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It's close, but it doesn't quite cover it. The concept of "hygge" covers more than the word cozy can describe.
User avatar #164 to #159 - strikingeight
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Denmark is also not in massive debt (thanks Obama). If we start free health care here in America, businesses will have to fire workers/lower salaries/shut down. We are too economically unstable to start STEALING from the people who actually make our world go round. They may be happier, but I'd never want to live there. America is far superior to Denmark in numerous ways (evidently not happiness) For example, last year 268,782 patents were issued in America, Denmark isn't even anywhere near that.
#167 to #164 - alexanderh
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Of course we're not close to that, we have less than 6 million people living here!
We had, in 2011, 4272 patents that were granted, and a total of 5,579,204 people, giving us approx. 1306 people per patent. The US:
number of patents granted: 224,505
residents: approx. 311,800,000 people
residents per patent: 1389

So, pretty much the same. That is a completely useless statistic, unless you count the per-capita number, which you obviously didn't. And just to convert it to patents per 1,000 citizens:
DK: 0.7657
US: 0.7200

They are so close, that your argument is really quite irrelevant.

And don't even say freedom, you're number 16 worldwide, while Denmark is 9. (source: www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2013/10/29/the-worlds-happiest-and-saddest-countries-2013/ )
User avatar #407 to #167 - aczzoh
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I love you.
#185 to #22 - anon id: 181f3eb0
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You're like a blind person describing what the moon looks like (or what ever else)
User avatar #241 to #22 - baltman
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Well you're partially right. Because for example in countries where healthcare is free government tries to limit your freedom on things like cigarettes, alcohol and other unhealthy things for example in scandinavia they want ban cigarettes completely in 10 years period since a lot of people get health problems from it and then demand free healthcare.
Now is it good or bad that they want to ban cigarettes you decide but I say its my own damn decision if I want to smoke and drink or not therefore I rather pay for my healthcare.
#314 to #22 - anon id: c6c6cbc1
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what the hell is everyone tripping about, most jobs come with healthcare that you have to pay for but it is not much that you have to pay, there are plenty of ways to pay for healthcare in our country that is plenty affordable, why raise taxes and take money from everyone who are actually working and are able to support themselves and afford healthcare to give everyone this so called [free] healthcare? people who do not work, and people who are just to damn stupid to be able to afford something so cheep should not be granted [free] healthcare when it comes from our pockets and not their own, why should i have to pay for others? i do just fine paying for my family. free healthcare is not free.
#345 to #314 - xxmemosxx
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There is absolutely nothing "cheep" hahaha about American healthcare
#353 to #345 - anon id: c6c6cbc1
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health insurance, if you just break your arm and go the the hospital and have to pay yeah you will have to pay a hell of alot that is what health insurance is for and yeah it is cheap.
#454 to #22 - grandelaquq
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I love, that you comment so much on this post. So far i have been able to give you 30 red thumbs!
User avatar #460 to #22 - srooblets
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Someone please explain how this would ever work? Where does all the money come from? I'm not being negative or anything, I'm genuinely curious on it. SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN ;-;
User avatar #376 to #22 - WheresMyAccount
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There are 3 kinds of stupid in this world

you're all 3
User avatar #120 to #22 - InflictorOfPain
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>Implying it's "free" in the first place.
User avatar #122 to #120 - strikingeight
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Right?
#140 to #22 - kingkee
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Would you rather have to keep money aside, or take out a loan to cover the costs which inadvertently means you have to suffer with less money in the upcoming weeks, to cover an injury or illness that you receive or not have to worry about it and know that youve paid for any of it already? i seriously cant understand the disdain towards universal healthcare, you're not immune to random illnesses or injuries, why take the risk?
User avatar #157 to #140 - strikingeight
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Because it's legalized stealing. It's not the part about helping other people I have a problem with, it's the part about taking it out of someone's salary.
#282 to #157 - kingkee
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That's completely not right... how is it stealing? its forced preperation, its forcing you to do the thing that is better for you in the long run.
#74 to #22 - deliriix
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Yeah.. **** being healthy, right?
Yeah.. **** being healthy, right?
User avatar #79 to #74 - strikingeight
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**** getting it for free.
User avatar #290 to #79 - sursum
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You're a ******* idiot.
User avatar #111 to #74 - captainstinkypinky
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If we were healthy, then we wouldn't necessarily need health care (other than for yearly checkups/occasional illnesses). Free health care only really benefits those who are terribly unhealthy and truly can't afford treatment, and those who don't/can't make themselves better.

tl;dr- Free health care doesn't help the healthy
User avatar #336 to #111 - nigeltheoutlaw
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"I have no idea what preventative care is, nor how expensive it is!"
#485 to #336 - captainstinkypinky
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No, I know what preventative care is, and I understand there is a need for some of it. But for a majority of people who are unhealthy, excluding those with genetic diseases/diseases they can't control (like cancer, etc.), it's because they don't take good care of themselves, or follow the doctor's orders to stay healthy. I have no issue with creating a system to pay for insurance for those who truly can't afford it, and truly do need it, but I don't think everyone in the country should be given free pass to go to the doctor whenever they get the sniffles.

Pic not really related: my elbow feel funny
#184 to #111 - anon id: 181f3eb0
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Wow you are stupid.
#160 to #111 - anon id: c4e3cae8
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if you're thinking you're a healthy man, you're dead wrong. everyone wont be perfectly healthy.
unless you're monk or padre. they can heal and *****..
User avatar #484 to #160 - captainstinkypinky
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Thats true. I suppose relatively healthy would be a more accurate term. But for the most part, in Murica, at least, people don't bother taking care of themselves, and then expect to go to the doctor and magically become healthy. It just seems unfair that everyone should have to pay for the people like that
#149 - marcassin
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USA fw also paint skills off charts
User avatar #41 - danmanjonesnz
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America seems the least free of any of the colonies/ex-colonies to me. Besides legal protection for shouting stupid **** in public I can't see how their 'freedom' claim holds any water.
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User avatar #48 to #41 - BLOCKATIEL
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To be completely honest, America used to be able to brag about its various freedoms that other countries could not express. Freedom of religion, Free press, etc. But since the early days of the US, the rest of the world has caught up and these freedoms are commonplace in the majority of the world. But America has still latched onto that "We are free" belief.
#113 to #41 - markusantonius
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Really now? Are you saying India , Pakistan , Iraq,Yemen , and not to mention the ******* of former colonies/possesions in Africa , are freer than the U.S.A ?
Really now? Are you saying India , Pakistan , Iraq,Yemen , and not to mention the ******* of former colonies/possesions in Africa , are freer than the U.S.A ?
#413 to #113 - anon id: 40dd2410
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what kind of stupid question is that, ofcourse they are, you guys are mindless drones for ur government jeeze u yanks are braindead
User avatar #123 to #113 - danmanjonesnz
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No I was talking about Australia, Canada & New Zealand. Not countries that were under British rule for a period. The actual colonies where indigenous where conquered/subjugated properly like in the US.
User avatar #124 to #123 - markusantonius
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Conquered/ subjugated properly ? South Africa still has problems and the indigenous population was "properly" subjugated .
User avatar #126 to #124 - danmanjonesnz
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nah, that was under minority rule and now it's some kind of democracy. Sth Africa has more in common with Palestine than the 4 states I mentioned.
User avatar #128 to #126 - markusantonius
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technically all colonies started out with minority rule , natives vastly outnumbered colonists for a time even though the govt was ran by the colonial administrations that were exclusive to colonists even though their decisions affected natives.
User avatar #130 to #128 - markusantonius
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so what your trying to say that under current conditions of former British colonies that have white majorities , the U.S is the least free. There's only one way to confirm this and that's to spend time in every country that matches your criteria. It shall be a joyful endeavor.
User avatar #464 to #130 - danmanjonesnz
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Hey I just looked it up for another reason but I was correct according to research conducted by the Fraser Institute... Canada, Australia and New Zealand are all considered more 'free' than the US.

www.dpreview.com/forums/post/50712780
User avatar #129 to #128 - danmanjonesnz
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yeah you're technically right... my phrasing was all wrong. Put it this way: America is by no means the most 'free' of the countries which have a majority of 'white' people. IMO.
#321 - songemot
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>"free" healthcare
>"free" anything
#444 to #321 - dross
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Yeah...

"If I wreck my liver with all the beer I drink, I'll rest safe in the knowledge I'll have free healthcare* to fix me up!"

*Paid for with all the VAT and Alcohol Duty I've already pissed away. Like probably twice the cost of the medical care by then.

It's all swings and roundabouts, the government will turn your ass upside-down and rattle you about for their money in some way or another. The beauty is when they do it without you even ******* noticing.