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#9 - gwynn ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
if i may... I think that communism wasn't so bad as everybody thinks. Everyone had a job. After college or university you automatically got a job. People who dident want to work where considered criminals (of course if you couldn't work thats a different story). Everyone was equal.

for example: when Stalin arrived to some event (i can't recall exactly what it was), he was approached by a janitor and asked to stop smoking, because its non smoking area. (yea that janitor dident know that that was Stalin...). You can imagine how that janitor was freaking out when security dragged him away. He was thinking about his execution. But next day janitor was promoted and got a big cash bonus.
#131 to #9 - agenttwox (10/04/2013) [-]
My friend and I have gone about converting friends and acquaintances to such a belief. Along with adopting the belief, we also indirectly allow them to accept the communist propaganda and they have taken to calling us comrade. I in turn call them "Our followers". Us being my friend and I. It's somewhat scary but i get them massive power trip off of it.
User avatar #127 to #9 - xdeathspawnx (10/03/2013) [-]
to be fair, socialism is a very good idea, except for the fact that it is nearly impossible to institute and because humans, and really all living creatures, are selfish. When it really comes down to it, humans almost always care more about themselves than anyone else.

If it could exist, I would love to live in a truly socialist society. It would be like living in a utopia. However, there are almost no circumstances where I would choose to live in a communist society. Communism is not the same as pure socialism. It is a twisted version were instead of everybody being equal, a few elites are given huge privileges at the expense of the test of the citizens. Communist rule is also much more oppressive. People aren't given the choice to make up their own minds, or come up with their own ideas. The elites will also be willing to do almost anything to stay in power, no matter how many citizens they have to kill or torture.
#126 to #9 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
The Soviet Union wasn't communist in the marxist sense. It was in the beginning but Stalin took over as leader. There isn't one leader in marxist communism but a constituents' council made up of elected representatives from each labour union
#125 to #9 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
Yeah Communism is pretty bad but certain degrees of Socialism can be worse.

Honestly Communism would be better for America the way it's going now, but Capitalism is still the best option. Nobody wants to admit that America isn't Capitalist anymore though which is absolute ******** . Haven't been truly Capitalist since the first Farm Subsidies in the late 1800s.
User avatar #123 to #9 - lemonpepsiking (10/03/2013) [-]
I think Marxism is a nice idea in general, but Communism under Stalin was just a mockery of Marx's ideology.
#121 to #9 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
You're leaving out the parts where between fifteen and thirty million people were killed.

And where you and everyone you know could be sent to the Gulags based on nothing more than suspicion.

And, you know, everything bad.

I'll call ******** on that story, since Russia had absolutely massive amounts of propaganda and only the blind didn't know what he looked like.
#111 to #9 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
**** off and die, commy!
User avatar #105 to #9 - wtfareu (10/03/2013) [-]
Really because Stalin was kinda a dick. He executed two guards before because they were making sure he was alright.
User avatar #100 to #9 - ThatsSoFunnyHeHe ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
Although Stalin is almost always used as an example of Communism, he's a terrible example.

What Stalin did was hardly Communism, it was Fascism that was made to look like Communism.
#95 to #9 - generalnippletoast (10/03/2013) [-]
Most of the people who lived in the time of Stalin and were occupied by USSR hated Stalin and USSR.
#77 to #9 - thelouisianan (10/03/2013) [-]
Yeah, a system created by a Jew (Karl Marx) that has been responsible for over 100 million deaths in the world. Held Eastern Europe prisoner and spread violence to Asia creating the cold war. Really good system.....
User avatar #130 to #77 - Ruspanic (10/03/2013) [-]
To be fair, Marx would have said Russia wasn't ready for a proletarian revolution. He considered the industrial-capitalist stage to be essential before socialism could arise, and pre-Communist Russia never reached that stage. Marx's theories mainly had England in mind, an already heavily industrialized capitalist country with dirt-poor manufacturing workers. These industrial wage-laborers were the Proletarian class that was supposed to lead the revolution. There was not a substantial Proletariat in 1917 Russia. Most of the lower class were actually serfs, not wage-laborers, and there was very little industrial development.

China didn't follow the Marxist model either. It also didn't have a substantial urban wage-laborer class and was mostly populated by peasants. The revolution wasn't led or sustained by the people whom the it was supposed to serve, theoretically.

And the other countries with substantial Communist movements were basically third-world countries.

All that said, Marx also didn't foresee the substantial improvements in general welfare and dramatic shifts in class structure that would come as capitalism matured. Today, the Proletarian class is virtually nonexistant in the West, because the manufacturing sector is much smaller than it once was. The remaining "proletarians" are much better off than they were in 1848, and are hardly revolutionary.
User avatar #108 to #77 - sanguinius (10/03/2013) [-]
Finally someone talking sane... Communism is only good for people who never experienced anything that follows such system...
User avatar #76 to #9 - olesc (10/03/2013) [-]
My country was occupied by the Soviet Union for a long time and it was no flowerfest. Now there is still a HUGE amount of Russians and the conflict still continues because a lot of them feel like it's their land or some **** .
#93 to #76 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
Let me guess. You're from Latvia? Then tell me more how all the factories built during the Soviets are not closed and destroyed, how the industry set up by them is not lost, how all the prized sanatoriums and parks are not turned to **** ...

If the Soviets ruined the country so bad, then explain to me, why is it that Lithuanians and Estonians, who were occupied just as much, managed to pull their industry and economy miles higher that Latvians in these 20 years?
User avatar #72 to #9 - Grom (10/03/2013) [-]
My moms coworker was a Geneticist in the Soviet Union, a job that anywhere else would have been very well paying. she was making $40 a week, and when she came to the US her degree didn't mean **** because of how bad universities in Soviet Russia were.
#63 to #9 - firesky (10/03/2013) [-]
In theory communism is great!

In practice some people are more "equal" than others like it's in every system. Also because of the lack of competition progress slows down. "Why work hard if I have a safe job nobody can take from me"

In most asian countries it would probably work, tough.
#62 to #9 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
That doesn't sound like Stalin. He would literally execute every person close to him and didn't trust anyone. Even a kid who shot with a slingshot at a poster of Stalin, was sent to the gulag for 10 years. source is my history book
User avatar #60 to #9 - durkadurka (10/03/2013) [-]
I don't know if the millions killed felt as though they were equals.

And then you have the people at the top. They're clearly not equal, and did everything to try and keep it that way.
User avatar #48 to #9 - gayboard (10/03/2013) [-]
Like big dicks, Communism is better in theory than when actually put to test.
#128 to #48 - Yardie (10/03/2013) [-]
Anything can be good in theory. You can say that twisting the President's nipples can create a vibrant economy because the market will react accordingly to the degree of the purple in his nurple in theory, but it obviously wouldn't work.   
The only reason Communism works in theory is because people are way too optimistic and don't think about consequences before they come to conclusions.   
TLDR: "It works in theory" is a 						******					 argument because anything can work "in theory".
Anything can be good in theory. You can say that twisting the President's nipples can create a vibrant economy because the market will react accordingly to the degree of the purple in his nurple in theory, but it obviously wouldn't work.

The only reason Communism works in theory is because people are way too optimistic and don't think about consequences before they come to conclusions.

TLDR: "It works in theory" is a ****** argument because anything can work "in theory".
#38 to #9 - mymissiondaytwo (10/03/2013) [-]
I honestly don't and never will understand why communism had to be a dictatorial regime.
#22 to #9 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
Oh not to mention the success that communism had in Poland and Ukraine... oh wait it ******* didn't. Government was stealing from people and citizens were stealing straight from the government hands back. If you didn't steal then you were poor. Great concept.
The only 'good' thing about communism was the fact that every low class citizen was equally ****** over by the government. Ever heard about millions of deaths because communistic government took away ALL the crops equally from their citizens in Russia? If they didn't agree they were just equally shot. **** this ******** . If someone of old age is going to tell you that communism was better then it means he was one of those higher class that hadn't work for anything and will neglect every communistic crime. ******* commies.
#35 to #22 - darshian (10/03/2013) [-]

This explains it very well. It's been called the Ukrainian Holocaust. The thing is, that wasn't communism. They were treating Ukrainians and Polish as if they weren't part of the USSR and therefore they got screwed for it. Also they weren't taking crops from Russians, only other nationalities from inside the USSR.
User avatar #21 to #9 - danskbank (10/03/2013) [-]
When you say "People who dident want to work where considered criminals (of course if you couldn't work thats a different story). Everyone was equal. " I sure hope you don't refer to the thousand taken to concentration camps and prison camps to work as slaves. Or the farmers who did not share the political views with the bolsjevics who were taken all of their productions and left to starve to death. Actually not only did "enemies of the state" starve. Also farmers who agreed to work on the "public-farms" outstationized by the government starved. You wanna talk Mao, buddy?
#15 to #9 - dedaluminus (10/03/2013) [-]
Communism would be the best form of government-if it weren't for the limitless human capacity for greed and being a dick.    
Gif unrelated.
Communism would be the best form of government-if it weren't for the limitless human capacity for greed and being a dick.

Gif unrelated.
User avatar #113 to #15 - nervaaurelius (10/03/2013) [-]
I hear this a lot but I will disagree. In my opinion even a perfect world communism promotes stagnation. Capitalism promotes innovation in my opinion.
User avatar #92 to #15 - threeeighteen (10/03/2013) [-]
Some mixture of anarchism and communism.
#86 to #15 - morkotlap (10/03/2013) [-]
since government is a system for human interactions, I say it's a pretty ****** form of government.
User avatar #74 to #15 - thesinful (10/03/2013) [-]
Yes, communism as a wonderful theory. However with no incentive to do more, people generally won't do more.
#73 to #15 - anonexplains (10/03/2013) [-]
absolute power corrupts absolutely
User avatar #71 to #15 - wisdombranch (10/03/2013) [-]
Proper sentiment, but horrible execution, comrade.

Communism is the best culture/society. The problem is that it it the worst form of Government.
User avatar #70 to #15 - realreality (10/03/2013) [-]
Honestly that's the only problem with it. The human problem
#36 to #15 - somekindofname (10/03/2013) [-]
Wouldn't the best way of life be anarchy and then communism?
Just wondering.
#37 to #36 - dedaluminus (10/03/2013) [-]
Nope. Communism (if done perfectly) is every person working for the good of the whole. Farmers grow food and feed everyone, everyone takes care of each other, and everyone lives in an equal state of plenty and comfort. (Which never happens, because, as previously declared, people are assholes.) Anarchy, however, is every man, woman, and child for himself. It is an ultimately free state of existence, but as every person would do exactly as they wanted, the likelihood of people working together is very low. And while people can do fine on their own, cooperation is what makes truly great things possible.

Pyc ynrylytyd.
User avatar #67 to #37 - thejerseyjenn (10/03/2013) [-]
I believe Winston Churchill had a quote that you would like "Democracy is a terrible form of government, but every other type is even worse"

I might have misplaced a few words but that was the basic quote.
User avatar #40 to #37 - Mahazama (10/03/2013) [-]
Any sort of cooperation would lead to a system, and system is anathema to anarchy. Eventually that cooperation would expand into a small scale government.
#39 to #37 - somekindofname (10/03/2013) [-]
Wouldn't perfect anarchy be more like everyone works for the good of everyone at the expense of no one?
Honestly, perfect democracy, communism, anarchy or a dictatorship for that matter would all be pretty good in their own way so it's kinda hard to wrap ones head around either way no?
#43 to #39 - dedaluminus (10/03/2013) [-]
It depends on the definition of anarchy that is used, for there are several. However, the most common one implies a society where people don't harm anyone else but only labor for their own benefit, nobody else's.

Pic unrelorterd.
#44 to #43 - somekindofname (10/03/2013) [-]
Agree. Nice small talk and all. Thanks for the pictures, they are going into a folder to be dragged along for later unrelatedness. See you around.
#45 to #44 - dedaluminus (10/03/2013) [-]
Have one for the road.
User avatar #16 to #15 - yunoavailable ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
I have actually thought that many times before, if it weren't for our greed and the fact that we would be lazy since working harder would yield little to no immediate personal rewards communism would be an excellent system
User avatar #47 to #16 - adu ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
If human greed and lust for power was no longer a factor, would communism as a form of government even be relevant? Or would all needs just be satisfied by individual generosity?
User avatar #66 to #47 - yunoavailable ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
good point
I don't know. I'll have to think about that one
#24 to #16 - icefall (10/03/2013) [-]
I agree on the greed part, but on the lazy part... that is just a propaganda spread by the US govt. during the Cold war. In recent years, many economists and behavioral scientists have suggested that direct incentives (salaries depending on your results) might actually decrease the efficiency of jobs that require cognitive skills. Of course, when it comes to physical labor, your point still stands valid.
User avatar #27 to #24 - yunoavailable ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
huh, didn't now that
#132 to #27 - icefall (10/08/2013) [-]
I know this is a old post but I just wanted to share this video.


It's quite interesting and changes many of the paradigms people have.
User avatar #133 to #132 - yunoavailable ONLINE (10/08/2013) [-]
that is really neat. glad you shared it.
User avatar #17 to #16 - dedaluminus (10/03/2013) [-]
Unfortunately, since being a dick is a standard part of human behavior, balanced democracy is the best we've got (so far.)
#25 to #17 - icefall (10/03/2013) [-]

Thing about democracy is that it works for small groups of people. Since a minority of a small group remains to be small. But in large countries, minorities become a huge amount of people regardless they are a minority with in the country.

I wish someone in the near future comes up with a better way to form a government...
User avatar #117 to #25 - lastsensei (10/03/2013) [-]
Hello, here LastSensei talking.
Democracy would be good if it was divided in regions or "streets" and then when everyone has voted they start giving the results to the "main" region "government". And like this everytime you have to decide everything that involves the people it's a fast and their opinion really counts.
Yes, it would be REALLY difficult to organise, but if they know how to get organised correctly it would be the best option, in my opinion.
So, making a summary:
Region -> Region government -> State.
I know my opinion counts nothing
Oh, and sorry for bad english ^^
User avatar #18 to #17 - yunoavailable ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
User avatar #19 to #18 - dedaluminus (10/03/2013) [-]
If we had an ultimately fair, ultra-intelligent, unsleeping ruler, dictatorship would be the best.
User avatar #20 to #19 - yunoavailable ONLINE (10/03/2013) [-]
yeah, truthfully pretty much anything would work if everyone just had infinite compassion towards others and were perfect
User avatar #13 to #9 - dimppa (10/03/2013) [-]
yea but 1/3 russian were killed in 1920's and and due to equality no one tried to work more/ harder to gain more so progress was slllooooww
User avatar #12 to #9 - dadkors (10/03/2013) [-]
If you ask most elder people here, they say communism was actually better than today´s situation. It wasn´t very good, but not as bad as today.
User avatar #14 to #12 - konradkurze (10/03/2013) [-]
yeah, low pay is better than no pay
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