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User avatar #5 - europe (10/14/2015) [-]
The ****** a wolf gonna do against a sabretooth tiger?
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User avatar #167 to #5 - Visual (10/15/2015) [-]
What about a pack of wolves?
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User avatar #168 to #5 - wimwam (10/15/2015) [-]
Cat Chases Bear | OrangeCabinet | OrangeCabinet
Doesn't have to kill it, just scare it away
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#136 to #5 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
Lets just say there's a reason cats are scared ******** of dogs.
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User avatar #140 to #136 - europe (10/14/2015) [-]
Because they're smaller? ******* retard
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#150 to #140 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
******* hilarious
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#157 to #5 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
Wolves back then were a lot bigger. Look at the prehistoric wolf.
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User avatar #175 to #5 - fappafappafap (11/03/2015) [-]
A human with a spear+ a wolf is a lot more dangerous than a human with a spear and no wolf.
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User avatar #176 to #175 - europe (11/03/2015) [-]
The ****** down there obviously has no spear
Also why the **** you replying to an ancient comment
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User avatar #177 to #176 - fappafappafap (11/03/2015) [-]
Artist probably was just too lazy to draw a spear anyway.

In reality I'm pretty sure caveman would always want a spear around, never know when a predator might pop up.

Also I wanted to find this content and I saw your comment and I thought it needed another reply.
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#122 to #5 - johrny (10/14/2015) [-]
Wolves of the ice age where ******* huge. They were big as tigers!
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#160 to #122 - anon (10/15/2015) [-]
A single wolf could not do **** against a saber tooth cat though. You'd need a small pack of them to take one on.
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#165 to #160 - anon (10/15/2015) [-]
yeah, however the cat isn't going to start a fight over such a small meal. Big heat for a small take
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User avatar #7 to #5 - rather (10/14/2015) [-]
Dire wolf.
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User avatar #112 to #7 - pokemonstheshiz (10/14/2015) [-]
it's like a regular wolf, but more dire
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#120 to #112 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
ok you made me chuckle
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User avatar #128 to #112 - rather (10/14/2015) [-]
My life for Daiur?
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User avatar #8 to #5 - subaqueousreach ONLINE (10/14/2015) [-]
Akitas are used to hunt grizzly bears. A couple wolves could easily hold a sabertooth at bay while the hunter spears it.
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User avatar #59 to #5 - thematthew ONLINE (10/14/2015) [-]
more than no wolf at all.
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User avatar #1 - kristovsky (10/14/2015) [-]
It was probably one ballsy mother ****** that first said "see that wolf over there? I bet I can make it do what I want".

If you wanna make a dog be obedient you have to be the alpha male of it's pack.
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#166 to #1 - anon (10/15/2015) [-]
Or maybe they found an abandonded cub and raised it. Y' know, like, the easy way to tame animals
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#4 to #1 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
the alpha male ******** has never been true
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User avatar #15 to #4 - hudis (10/14/2015) [-]
It's only not true as far as genetics go. There is no such thing as animals born alpha or animals born beta, but those roles/positions do exist both in the animal and the human kingdom. It's just not as set in stone as a lot of people believe.
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User avatar #93 to #15 - geothermal (10/14/2015) [-]
Actually, ive noticed that some dogs are naturally followers, or want leadership.

Theyre not exactly betas, but they dont strive to be the alpha.
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User avatar #121 to #93 - greyhoundfd (10/14/2015) [-]
That actually is what Beta is. Alpha refers to the animal in charge, while Beta refers to followers who may or may not attempt to supplant the Alpha
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User avatar #97 to #93 - hudis (10/14/2015) [-]
They do if you raise them wrong. Dogs that think they're the alpha can't really be kept as pets in any pleasant way. That's why you don't see it a lot.
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#123 to #15 - bakagaijin (10/14/2015) [-]
**bakagaijin used "*roll picture*"**
**bakagaijin rolled image**That's debatable.... alpha genes carrying on to the next generation can be plausible since what makes a alpha is an arrogant demenor, tenacious attitude and relative large size, all of which can be inherited
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User avatar #125 to #123 - hudis (10/14/2015) [-]
And that could very well make an animal the alpha of the pack, but it won't automatically make it so. 'Alpha' is more a rank, a position and a role than it is a specific type of person or animal.

For example, we can observe in chimpanzees that their brain chemistry is altered immensely when they go up or down in the troop. A "beta" male, or simply put subservient, chimpanzee will have relatively high cortisol levels and low testosterone levels. If that male manages to become the leader of the troop, his testosterone levels will spike and his cortisol levels will go down. That, by default, will make him more assertive and dominant, both alpha traits, over time. It's not the only thing that makes an alpha or beta, but it's one of them. Point is, like I said, it's not as set in stone as people believe.
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#141 to #125 - bakagaijin (10/14/2015) [-]
**bakagaijin used "*roll picture*"**
**bakagaijin rolled image**True, I don't disagree with you, but if you're a gambling man, you would bet on the alpha males offspring rather than a betas offspring to becoming the next alpha... not saying that it's impossible for the latter to become an alpha... but the former is biologically inclined to becoming an alpha
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User avatar #126 to #15 - madjim (10/14/2015) [-]
No such thing as far as genetics go? I think you should read biology 101 again, or watch any video that involves a shrewdness of apes and you'll notice that in pretty much all the cases the alpha male is the biggest (physically) one of the bunch. Forget that, even when it comes to humans, more often or not in a group of friends the dominant person would usually either be tall, muscular or attractive, each of the qualities that has been proven to give people the extra edge over their peers when it comes to charm and charisma in social situations.
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User avatar #130 to #126 - hudis (10/14/2015) [-]
They're not born to the role, that's the point. Physical prowess gives them the advantage required to -become- an alpha, but it doesn't automatically make them an alpha. The way people talk about alpha vs. beta always makes it seem like they think it's something people are born to. A beta will always be a beta, an alpha will always be an alpha, etc. It's simply not true.
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User avatar #133 to #130 - madjim (10/14/2015) [-]
Well I think it's a bit silly to say that they "aren't" born into the role, quite frankly I think that is already the case. Look at children, again not in all but in so many situations, you'd have a bully who would be picking on smaller and weaker children, the bully would usually have a group of other kids who would be followinig him and often participating in his bullying just to get his approval and be accepted. The bully is the alpha, those are children and they don't think why they do stuff, they bully because it's fun, and the bully does it because he's bigger, stronger, because he can. The rest of the children accept him as their alpha and follow him around, and the one who gets bullied accepts his fate and refuses to step up to the bully, because he feels weaker (both because he might be small or something completely different such as low testosterone level which make him be less active and aggresive, whichever the reason it is genetical, biological). And until someone steps up to the bully the bully will remain alpha even of he is hated by his peers, but even when someone steps up to him, it's important to note how everybody accepted him as an alpha to begin with after he desplayed power over others and how they will stop treating him as their alpha once someone desplays power over him.
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User avatar #159 to #133 - etiennesk (10/15/2015) [-]
I agree with you, but especially when it comes to canines, the biggest is not always the most dominant. It has to do with personality of the animal; some canines are naturally dominant, while some are naturally submissive. I remember there was a guy who studied wolves for months in Yellowstone, and what he observed is that the pups who generally showed the most assertion would nearly always become the alpha, regardless of size or even age.

Granted, even for canines, it takes some muscles to back it up in case you get challenged, but when it comes to canines, size doesn't imply dominance.
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User avatar #170 to #159 - madjim (10/15/2015) [-]
Exactly, I never said size was the game breaker, but rather the fact that being alpha is biologically pre-determined, in apes it is usually decided by size and strength, in dogs by assertiveness and aggression, in humans by the person looks as well as stuff like charisma and charm which are offten influenced by once again looks (when a person feels good and comfortable with him/herself) or strength (just like in apes, because after all we are their descendents) and for example, in the case of the praying mantis, by gender where you can argue that the fact that the female kills the male after mating is a sign of an alpha, or rather the leader, the one takes charge.
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User avatar #138 to #133 - akhkharux ONLINE (10/14/2015) [-]
Thank you for that blue text. It made it so much easier to read white after I strained my eyes reading it for so long.
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User avatar #139 to #138 - madjim (10/14/2015) [-]
You're welcomed.
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User avatar #162 to #130 - etiennesk (10/15/2015) [-]
It's not something they're born into, but to an extent it is something they're born with. The canines are born with personalities which determine their assertiveness or submissiveness, and though this can be largely influenced by environmental parameters later in life, many canine's inclination toward "alpha vs beta" is heavily influenced by the physical and mental features of that particular canine.

But I think I understand what you're saying. The animal is not born into it, but rather has to earn it's way into it. This is entirely true, but the factors which generally lead toward a particular canine taking on that role is generally something that the canines are born with or, at least, are conditioned towards at a very early age.
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User avatar #127 to #126 - madjim (10/14/2015) [-]
More often than not*
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#72 to #4 - venomthc (10/14/2015) [-]
Spotted the Beta
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User avatar #71 to #4 - kristovsky (10/14/2015) [-]
You will find that for dogs it is certainly true.
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#171 to #4 - craneflyhivemind (10/15/2015) [-]
117 people have never raised dogs. >_>
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User avatar #26 to #4 - instalation (10/14/2015) [-]
See you're right, but because you're on Funnyjunk, facts don't matter. What people have said for ages does matter though, even if it's wrong.
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#77 to #26 - madchode (10/14/2015) [-]
>>#26, >>#4, >>#49,

If you're saying acting like Alpha doesn't affect the dog's obedience then you've clearly never owned, been around, or know dogs. And if by some miracle you do have a dog, I can guarantee it views you as the bitch... Dogs are pretty basic creatures, they respond to authority without question.

Prime example of this is something that happened a couple months back, a family friend was away on holiday to Spain and decided to leave their dog with us, at first the dog was full of bad habits and thought it ruled everyone (The owners constantly carried it around in their arms, fed it food directly from their plates and pretty much treated it liked a god) but after a week with us, and it getting treated like an absolute bitch and the lowest of the low (I don't exactly mean that in a bad sense) the dog very quickly learned where it stood in the chain, and done everything we asked it to without question or hesitation...

TL;DR dogs respond to Alpha behaviour
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#81 to #77 - craneflyhivemind (10/14/2015) [-]
Of course dogs respond to alpha behavior, all animals do. If I treat you like **** , you'll eventually get the picture too, doesn't mean humans are pack animals with an alpha hierarchy.

Check my ASPCA link, I bet you would like to say THEY don't know dogs either.
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User avatar #105 to #81 - relvel (10/14/2015) [-]
I'm not joining in on the argument, but I would like to add that humans are unique because they weren't always predators. They evolved from prey. I don't know what that says about human hierarchy, but I think that's a big reason why we stick together in large groups. We form a herd so that word will spread quickly when a fellow human dies. When antelope or cows see that a member of their herd is being attacked, they run away. The bull/bulls of the herd stay behind and attack the predator. With humans, everybody is the bull. We're like wasps. Attacking a member of the hive alerts the entire swarm, causing us to turn on the attacker. Again, I don't know if this has any role in a human hierarchy, but I think it's pretty interesting and cool.
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#78 to #77 - craneflyhivemind (10/14/2015) [-]
apdt.com/pet-owners/choosing-a-trainer/dominance/

I'm not arguing with a retard. Here are the facts. Take them and use them to better yourself.
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#143 to #78 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
Dominance training is actually highly NOT suggested by real animal behaviorists. Just my piece.
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User avatar #173 to #143 - lapsushominum ONLINE (10/15/2015) [-]
That's what that paper said though... that dominance training is wrong. Did you not look at it?
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#80 to #78 - madchode (10/14/2015) [-]
I've raised many dogs, so have my friends. I don't need an article to tell me how they behave and respond...

First hand experience > Reading about it online
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#85 to #80 - craneflyhivemind (10/14/2015) [-]
>Implying I lack first hand experience. I guess the APDT lack first hand experience with their dogs, then. Go be stupid somewhere else.
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User avatar #172 to #4 - lapsushominum ONLINE (10/15/2015) [-]
Thing is you're right but got downthumbed anyway. The study that was done that suggested the alpha hierarchy was based on a single study of captive wolves forced to live together. In nature wolves live in family units and the leaders are simply the parents.
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#163 to #4 - anon (10/15/2015) [-]
Found the beta
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User avatar #161 to #4 - emptysuperman (10/15/2015) [-]
Then how was I able to **** your mother?
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User avatar #70 to #4 - platinumaltaria (10/14/2015) [-]
You seem to have confused never for always, but there is no connection to the "alpha vs. beta" in human relationships.
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User avatar #101 to #1 - mrnaanbread (10/14/2015) [-]
'If you wanna make a dog be obedient you have to be the alpha male of it's pack.'
-kristovsky, 18 hours ago, 21 25, 14 oct 15
i have a new favourite quote
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#49 to #1 - craneflyhivemind (10/14/2015) [-]
You should really educate yourself, as should most of this site's retarded-ass community.

content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2007250,00.html
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#60 to #49 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
>Educate yourself
>Link a TIME opinion article with no scientific content.
If you consider a thing like that to be a source of education then you are stupid as hell.
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#76 to #60 - craneflyhivemind (10/14/2015) [-]
www.researchgate.net/profile/Felicia_Pratto/publication/253326431_Social_dominance_theory_and_the_dynamics_of_intergroup_relations_Taking_stock_and_looking_forward/links/02e7e53c532142a599000000.pdf

Okay, since you want real evidence. Here you go. Nice strawman, by the way.
Educate yourself, and the 2 other retards that thumbed me down.
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#83 to #60 - craneflyhivemind (10/14/2015) [-]
apdt.com/pet-owners/choosing-a-trainer/dominance/

So, next you'll say that the ASPCA isn't credible.
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#84 to #83 - craneflyhivemind (10/14/2015) [-]
**APDT
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User avatar #2 to #1 - manueldomingues (10/14/2015) [-]
honestly, it was probably some ppl who found some pups and felt sorry for them, so they raised them. The pups had children and after many generations you have created the dog
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#3 to #2 - cursedjester (10/14/2015) [-]
A combination of attracting the animals with food, providing them with shelter and social influence, along with raising wolf puppies and being 'alpha' of the pack.

Dogs came much later as a result of selective breeding.
I.e. The smartest wolves with longer hair were bred to shepherd livestock from cold, hilly terrains. While stronger wolves with short hair for guarding and fighting.
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#69 - sonnyboii (10/14/2015) [-]
gotta go fast
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User avatar #79 to #69 - derpthefifth (10/14/2015) [-]
Sonic the hedgedog?
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User avatar #86 to #79 - defski (10/14/2015) [-]
no
mario
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#6 - containlettersonly (10/14/2015) [-]
Probably the best symbiotic relationship in the animal kingdom, dogs are awesome.
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#88 - agronimo (10/14/2015) [-]
This ***** gained more than that wolf's trust
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User avatar #124 to #88 - tellybear (10/14/2015) [-]
lewd
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#73 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
Untill one dogless asshole tamed a sabretooth tiger, he ruled the ******* world.
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#91 to #73 - imjared (10/14/2015) [-]
until the sabretooth randomly walked away and ignored the asshole for no apparent reason
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User avatar #16 - sanitarysan (10/14/2015) [-]
just another reason why dogs > cats
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User avatar #43 to #16 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
Cats deal with pests.
Just another reason why cats > dogs.
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User avatar #45 to #43 - sanitarysan (10/14/2015) [-]
where do you live, the sewers?
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User avatar #46 to #45 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
Oh, sorry, do you live in a place infested with sabretooth tigers?
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User avatar #47 to #46 - sanitarysan (10/14/2015) [-]
no, the dogs got rid of them...
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User avatar #48 to #47 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
Not really, but okay.
With the same logic, though, cats got rid of pests.
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User avatar #50 to #48 - sanitarysan (10/14/2015) [-]
what pests?
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User avatar #52 to #50 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
Rodents, bugs, lizards, snakes.
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User avatar #53 to #52 - sanitarysan (10/14/2015) [-]
then they did a sloppy job since they are still around
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User avatar #54 to #53 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
You realize that sabretooth cats didn't die out because of dogs, right?
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User avatar #56 to #54 - sanitarysan (10/14/2015) [-]
*sabertooth tigers
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User avatar #58 to #57 - sanitarysan (10/14/2015) [-]
fair enough
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#137 to #57 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
**anonymous used "*roll picture*"**
**anonymous rolled image**And wtf u think a tiger is? A horse? A dog? R u ******* retarded?
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User avatar #154 to #137 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
Did you reply to the wrong person?
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User avatar #110 to #52 - relvel (10/14/2015) [-]
Dogs get rid of those too. Although they don't really seem to 'hunt' snakes as much as they just stumble upon one and **** around with it until it stops moving for some reason, and then they wander around with it in their mouth until they realize it's not going to wake up.
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User avatar #116 to #110 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
Cats are better at pest control.
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User avatar #117 to #116 - relvel (10/14/2015) [-]
Agreed, but they're also assholes. Except for kittens.
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User avatar #118 to #117 - mutzaki (10/14/2015) [-]
Nah, not really.
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#100 - infinitereaper ONLINE (10/14/2015) [-]
Obviously not sense the world is populated by ******* assholes.
I should know,
I'm a ******* asshole
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#35 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
relevant
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#42 to #41 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
source:
owlturd.com
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#62 to #42 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
single picture-variant
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#90 - brahdin (10/14/2015) [-]
Then ya gotta ride em as sweet ass mounts to hunt large game on.
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#94 to #90 - sabcy (10/14/2015) [-]
couldn't agree more.
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#96 to #94 - tormain ONLINE (10/14/2015) [-]
Aww Yiss, Overlord
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#11 - huntertde (10/14/2015) [-]
Their tongues are touching in the fourth panel.

Not sure why I noticed, but I did.

Hawt
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User avatar #89 - neokun (10/14/2015) [-]
I'd imagine it was more likely that the humans took care of puppies as opposed to becoming friendly with adult wolves.
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User avatar #145 - madcoww (10/14/2015) [-]
Perhaps the "dogless assholes" could use their lack of generosity and emotions to gain authority over other humans and therefore wouldn't need the dogs.
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User avatar #149 to #145 - tigronn (10/14/2015) [-]
it kinda hard having authority while getting eaten by a sabertooth tiger
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User avatar #153 to #149 - madcoww (10/14/2015) [-]
But if you could kick one's ass, you would certainly have earned it.
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User avatar #155 to #153 - tigronn (10/14/2015) [-]
good luck kicking its ass on your own
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User avatar #108 - distortedflare (10/14/2015) [-]
Actually Cave men took the pups of dead wolfs or killed the parents and raised them to obey humans killing off the aggressive lines whilst breeding the most tame and loyal lines.
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#98 - anon (10/14/2015) [-]
Then some men just stopped being pansies and learnt to master the tigers.
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User avatar #115 to #98 - relvel (10/14/2015) [-]
They then rose to the top of the food chain, and flourished as apex predators. But everything changed when the fire nation attacked when the cats walked away and pretended like their old masters didn't even exist. ******* cats, man.
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User avatar #75 - JonathanNowFuckYou (10/14/2015) [-]
nah wolves just followed men around to scavenge from what was left of their kill. then they just started working together *****
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User avatar #152 - chewiewhatawookie ONLINE (10/14/2015) [-]
>Gained the companionship of a wolf

Things that never happened.
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User avatar #99 - kves (10/14/2015) [-]
>the humans who were kind,generous and capable of feeling emotions like empathy gained the companionship pf a wolf
>Domestic dogs evolved from a group of wolves that came into contact with European hunter-gatherers between 18,800 and 32,100 years ago
>race is just skin deep the cultural influence made us different
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User avatar #74 - solidderking (10/14/2015) [-]
is there any proof for this theory ?
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User avatar #82 to #74 - lolollo (10/14/2015) [-]
The fact that an overwhelming majority of the population give in to ideals like compassion and empathy.
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User avatar #87 to #82 - solidderking (10/14/2015) [-]
that doesn't proof anything.
well, at least no empirical proof, which is what i wanted. i should have said that tho
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User avatar #95 to #87 - lolollo (10/14/2015) [-]
You realize you're asking for something that's a philosophical impossibility, right? The theory is that the domestication of dogs aided in the social evolution of humanity, where the only way to deny that is to be able to look at a 5th dimensional representation of humanity having not domesticated the wolf.

So yes, you're right, there is no "fool proof, 100% empirical, beyond any doubt proof" that the domestication of the wolf is what drove the social evolution of humanity, but to deny the evidence that is out there that owning a dog is self reported to improve your life, which then implies the connection it had on early humans, is sniping dangerously close to the nervanha fallacy.
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#9 - kingderps (10/14/2015) [-]
The first humans to take in cats were sick of rats, so they bribed cats to hang around in hopes the cats would kill local rats. They accepted our tribute and they killed **** .
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User avatar #10 to #9 - catkyte (10/14/2015) [-]
im pretty sure cats were just sick as **** of sleeping outside and hunting their own food. they probably just moved in and took over.
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#20 to #10 - elseano (10/14/2015) [-]
yeah but they do/did serve a purpose- prevented vermin from eating food stores. cats got a warm home and easy food, humans kept their hard-earned food.
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User avatar #25 to #9 - drummerperson (10/14/2015) [-]
Uh i dunno. I'm pretty sure cats were the only animals to domesticate themselves. For your exact reason, they kinda just showed up to eat the rats. catkyte is right, they moved in on their own interests, eventually humans were like "d'awwww" and then started feeding them.
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