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Revolutionary rocket engine. I don't post much content, but thought I would share. If this is legit then it is the sweetest tech in my lifetime. Link to article

I don't post much content, but thought I would share. If this is legit then it is the sweetest tech in my lifetime.
Link to article:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/11769030/Impossible-rocket-drive-works-and-could-get-to-Moon-in-four-hours.html

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User avatar #5 - loganmadder ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Moon colonies are ******* coming
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User avatar #21 to #5 - Animefreake (07/29/2015) [-]
I do not think that will happen. We can do it, but there is literally no reason to make a moon colony.
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#24 to #21 - Thescottman (07/29/2015) [-]
actually the main reason why we would make moon colonies is to reach other things in space, as it takes a lot of energy to get out of earths atmosphere, whereas it'll take considerably less energy to get out of the moons sphere of influence
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#27 to #24 - micekill (07/29/2015) [-]
also mining away from the planet?
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User avatar #63 to #27 - minorian (07/29/2015) [-]
and storing of nuclear waste... not to forget nazi moon bases
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User avatar #108 to #24 - siemenz (07/29/2015) [-]
Why don't they just make a station that would serve as a dock then? You know a station for constructing ships. You could get ships, that would be otherwise impossible to lift through the atmo, into the space. This would mean more cargo could be carried, more fuel, more people, more tech etc. etc.
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#78 to #24 - doublepzk (07/29/2015) [-]
I wanted to say that. But yeah, one of the hardest parts to getting into space is leaving the earth.
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#75 to #24 - skebaba (07/29/2015) [-]
Then we could reverse-moonshot stuff we drop on moon from other planets back to Earth, so we let the momentum take the charge of getting the stuff to Earth. Of course before we can actually start colonizing planets, we need a Central Government. Otherwise it turns to **** .
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#79 to #75 - doublepzk (07/29/2015) [-]
Or at least a UN that has power. Though I guess that would itself be a form of government. We need a government for our governments.
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#98 to #79 - skebaba (07/29/2015) [-]
Or have only 1 government. We can't colonize until we learn to live equally between every inhabitant on Earth.
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#117 to #98 - doublepzk (07/29/2015) [-]
A singular government is ideal. But we still have people slaughtering each other because of a difference in their gods. Unless something that would be quite literally revolutionary happens, I don't see that happening any time soon.
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User avatar #67 to #24 - pawnman (07/29/2015) [-]
Also. It is a lot better to test our devices and experimental technologies locally rather than chuck it at mars and hope it works.
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#25 to #21 - loganmadder ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
>No reason
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User avatar #72 to #21 - derpthefifth ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
"No reason to make a moon colony"
>Outpost for further interplanetary travel
>A place to grow crops and ****
>Put literally anything on there if/when we establish an atmosphere
>Raise livestock


Really all we need is a dome and supplies. Also pressurization inside said dome. Hell we could even build it like a structure around the moon and add on a docking bay.
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User avatar #56 to #21 - kriml (07/29/2015) [-]
Wealthy people don´t need reasons
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#74 to #21 - hexenisalive (07/29/2015) [-]
Helium3
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User avatar #69 to #21 - flnonymousseven ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
H3 isotopes baby!!
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User avatar #39 to #21 - Gandalfthewhite (07/29/2015) [-]
overpopulation in the future
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#41 to #39 - boomerpyro (07/29/2015) [-]
re you implying that we will send something like half the current population to space? it would be infinitely cheaper to just stop 50% of the population from reproducing
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User avatar #43 to #41 - Gandalfthewhite (07/29/2015) [-]
that's damn near impossible though. start telling people they can't have kids and you'll have angry ******* on your hands and everyone saying 'why don't we use our technology to live on the moon?'
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#44 to #43 - boomerpyro (07/29/2015) [-]
who said to tell people? statistically speaking someone is bound to attempt it through force
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#50 to #44 - daveprodigy (07/29/2015) [-]
Someone already did.
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#53 to #50 - boomerpyro (07/29/2015) [-]
yeah, but he didn't succeed
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#54 to #53 - daveprodigy (07/29/2015) [-]
Kind of the point, people will always refuse things forced unto them.
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User avatar #73 to #41 - emiyashirou (07/29/2015) [-]
See, the thing is, depopulation has to be gradual or the economy will **** up. We can't just halve the amount of people in the world over 1 generation, it'd need to be done over (pulling a number out of my ass based on vague reasoning) at least 5 or so generations.
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User avatar #105 to #41 - derpthefifth ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
cause money's the only thing that matters in that equation.....
People have not and do not go for population control in democratic nations. It's possible to incentiveize it, but that requires legislation and **** .

Or to put it simply, it's a lot ******* easier just to fly some bitches to the moon.
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User avatar #31 to #5 - Darianvincent (07/29/2015) [-]
I think the worst part about a moon colony would probably be the fact there's nothing protecting you from anything hitting the moon.
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User avatar #49 to #31 - eezo (07/29/2015) [-]
There's nothing protecting you from being hit by Grendel's arm
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User avatar #83 to #49 - Darianvincent (07/29/2015) [-]
more like plsno
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User avatar #32 to #31 - loganmadder ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Not until we bring up, like, trees and stuff and make an atmosphere.
I don't do science. That would probably take a lot of trees.
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#48 to #32 - MasterDarkX (07/29/2015) [-]
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the moon is just too small to hold atmosphere.

For instance, Mars used to have a lot thicker atmosphere and liquid water. But it's low gravity caused most of the atmosphere to float away, and without it, the surface water boiled away. (figuratively speaking).

So in short, having water and tress and whatnot on the exposed moons surface just isn't possible due to the low gravitational pull of the moon. Sorry Chap.
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User avatar #57 to #48 - kumimono (07/29/2015) [-]
That got me wondering, if it would be possible to introduce an "atmosphere" into the moon, but have it comprised of heavier gasses, CO2, hexafluoride, etc. Not making it brethable, but dense enough, that heat would stick around, you could walk around in what's essentially a scuba gear, and get protection from meteorites...
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User avatar #76 to #57 - brisineo ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Theoretically you could, and it may possibly last for a while, but for any atmosphere to stick, you need to have a magnetic field, otherwise the sun's solar wind blows it off. It's one of the reasons why Mars lost it's atmosphere but Venus still has one, and as far as we know, the moon doesn't have any large quantity of iron at it's core that could possibly create one. Earths' magnetic field is too weak at that distance to do much good either.

You also have the problem of maintaining plant life, since nitrates are practically non-existent. It's mostly metal or semi-metal oxides up there. (but it makes getting oxygen for colonies pretty easy on the positive side.)
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User avatar #38 to #32 - thelastamerican (07/29/2015) [-]
Water. You don't play with photosynthesis to scrub the atmosphere in space, you take water, run an electric current through it, crack it into hydrogen and oxygen. Plants take up a lot more room than a nuclear reactor.
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User avatar #58 to #5 - icameheretotroll (07/29/2015) [-]
just don't let the british send the colonies
we know how ****** their colonies end up eventually
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User avatar #93 to #58 - ilovehitler ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Well, America turned out to be one of the strongest and wealthiest nations in the world, so that turned out well enough.
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#13 to #5 - atonial ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Is there a right to bear arms in space? I wanna have the first AK model made out of moon ores.
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User avatar #20 to #13 - holdup (07/29/2015) [-]
according to the alien franchise there is.
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User avatar #19 to #13 - fargfive (07/29/2015) [-]
What is this from? It seems far too serious to have Nic Cage in it.
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User avatar #85 to #19 - superduperscooper (07/29/2015) [-]
Lord of War, good movie
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User avatar #16 to #15 - fauxshores (07/29/2015) [-]
Its not warp drive. But so far no one has been able to disprove that the EM Drive is capable of producing thrust without using propellant, a feat that is impossible with our current understanding of physics.

If it ends up being true (which multiple tests in different vacuums and in different labs have shown so far) then the law of conservation of mass is wrong, or at least incomplete.

It might not be warp drive, but this drive would still be capable of getting to pluto in months.
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#46 to #16 - youxbarstard (07/29/2015) [-]
But the thought of being able to reach most if not all of the planets within our solar system in months instead of years is something to be excited about.

Though one thing I've always thought about is what that sort of thing would do to things like the economy and any political standings, I very much doubt that it would bring us closer to world peace.
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#62 to #14 - anon (07/29/2015) [-]
Nice clickbait site. ****** didnt even read what they cited.
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#55 - egosumproxi ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
As soon as I read "em drive"...
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#34 - verycoolcat (07/29/2015) [-]
I've seen so god damn many 'BREAKTHROUGHS' and 'REVOLUTIONARY' ideas involving electromagnetic aeronautic/vacuum propulsion and 100% of em have been ******** .
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User avatar #90 to #34 - mountainyard (07/29/2015) [-]
Both the EM-drive and the Cannae-drive give thrust. They will NOT be sending us to the moon in four hours.
The thing about these engines is that they give about 90 micronewtons of energy from 17 watts of power. That's supposed to be physically impossible, and we can't figure it out.
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User avatar #113 to #90 - thefates ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
To be fair, no one is sure how much thrust the EM-Drive can give because no one other than private companies are building prototypes. Thus, no information is being released.
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#11 - anon (07/29/2015) [-]
Doesn't it produce like 5 nano newtons of thrust or something ridiculously small?
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User avatar #114 to #11 - thefates ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
A different test on a larger scale here. Apparently it produced .1 newtons.

nextbigfuture.com/2015/02/more-emdrive-experiment-information.html
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User avatar #115 to #11 - thefates ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
In case you miss it at the bottom.

"The thrust performance of this next generation tapered test article has been analytically determined to be in the 0.1 newton per kilowatt regime."
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User avatar #61 to #11 - lean [OP](07/29/2015) [-]
Yeah, microNewtons actually. But the thing is any measure of thrust should be impossible. If this is not some elaborate hoax that Nasa and the Dresden researchers can't figure out, then Newton's laws are either incorrect or incomplete. 15 years of studying this thing and they can't figure out why it works. The tests performed are so small a scale because if it works on a large scale it would cause havok in the lab.
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User avatar #80 to #61 - kittylactose ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Our understanding of the universe in general is very small and limited so alot of stuff that might seem impossible could be possible. We could just be looking at physics from the wrong perspective thus why scientists can't understand why the EM drive works.
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User avatar #70 - historybuff ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Jesus christ this is ******** , what the **** telegraph get your **** together. It hasn't been proven, they're testing it, they can't figure out how it works and most important of all the thrust they HAVE been able to make with it is so miniscule they thought it was statistical error at first
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#84 to #70 - lean [OP](07/29/2015) [-]
Supposedly testing has resulted in predictable outcomes. Don't forget, Einstein modified Newton's gravitational laws to accompany his general relativity theory.
Black Science man believes that the majority of scientific theories are incomplete, and waiting for another piece of the puzzle to be solved. Observable physics that apply here and are held as scientific law may not be universal truths. We can only quantify observable outcome. Personally I hope that the theory behind this rocket is sound, and known science is just having a hard time observing it.
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User avatar #89 to #84 - historybuff ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
trust me I play KSP all the time and totally got to Duna and back once
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User avatar #88 to #84 - historybuff ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
While everything you said is true, the fact of the matter is that it is, as of yet, still unverified, and the forces we're talking about here are on the scale of micronewtons. To put that in perspective, to put something in space you need to average a force (dependent on the mass of the object) in kilonewtons
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User avatar #91 to #88 - lean [OP](07/29/2015) [-]
I hear ya, it is two quotes from the article that I find most interesting:
"Our test campaign cannot confirm or refute the claims of the EM Drive but intends to independently assess possible side-effects in the measurements methods used so far," said Prof Tajmar.

"Nevertheless, we do observe thrust close to the actual predictions after eliminating many possible error sources that should warrant further investigation into the phenomena."

The second quote there hints at a phenomenal coincidence, the results are close to predictions. That would be pretty amazing if it was some unforeseen error. Also I don't think they are testing the full power, just input/ output ratios. You don't test something claiming to be thousands of times more powerful than traditional rocket engines in the lab.
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User avatar #92 to #91 - historybuff ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
No but you do test it outside if you get my meaning. I mean, we're not exactly hesitant animals. When we first started seriously testing rockets we literally put them on a railroad line and strapped a guy to it to see if going that fast would hurt you.
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User avatar #104 to #92 - lean [OP](07/29/2015) [-]
this is all i can find on the net concerning this thing. bottom line- it is the real deal
nextbigfuture.com/2015/02/more-emdrive-experiment-information.html
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User avatar #1 - luciuseternal ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
www.iflscience.com/no-em-drive-will-not-lead-warp-travel-any-time-soon
Sadly it doesn't allow us to go into the glorious Warp
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User avatar #40 to #1 - thechosentroll (07/29/2015) [-]
Isn't the warp filled with unimaginable horrors and demons made of crystalized rape and lemon juice, anyway? Why would anyone want to go there?
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#42 to #40 - luciuseternal ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
'cause that's where the cool guys are
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#2 to #1 - nexdemise (07/29/2015) [-]
It's enough to establish bases on Moon, Mars, and Titan however.
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User avatar #3 to #2 - luciuseternal ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
We can only hope.
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#100 - scorpidea (07/29/2015) [-]
I'll just leave this here...
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User avatar #111 to #35 - thefates ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
At the very least NASA has said that it "works".
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User avatar #82 - xtwinblade (07/29/2015) [-]
So many sites and science journals that spread out misinformation about things like this.
The EM drive havent been proven, there isnt even a functional prototype yet, there has only been tests done.
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User avatar #110 to #82 - thefates ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Well the video of the test that WAS released at least shows thrust being exerted. The man who invented it says that it's unlikely anyone will see prototypes though because the people trying to produce it are all competing with eachother.

At the very least NASA has said that it "works".
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#65 - anon (07/29/2015) [-]
add to the fact that living on a few different planets make extinction far less likely for the human race
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#68 to #65 - chokebee (07/29/2015) [-]
This is not supposed to be said by anonymous. It's a fact, not something to be despised for.
Yes - our specie won't survive on one planet for too long.
But hey! There are always some ******* cat videos to watch, or facebook **** to update, eh?
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User avatar #96 - pucemagician (07/29/2015) [-]
noahlikespie
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User avatar #116 to #96 - noahlikespie (07/29/2015) [-]
pucemagician >>#96
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User avatar #77 - kittylactose ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
Hook that ship up to a nuclear powered microwave and see how much more thrust we can get.

We could be looking at physics from the wrong perspective. Plus we don't know everything about it and on top of that, alot of the laws we came up with came out before computers and sensors and fancy equipment.
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User avatar #10 - frenzyhero (07/29/2015) [-]
*3 decades
not a few hours.
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User avatar #6 - pocketstooheavy (07/29/2015) [-]
>The Telegraph

Yeah... doubt.
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User avatar #17 to #6 - erkas (07/29/2015) [-]
Doesn't seem too impossible. New Horizon passed the moon's orbit in just 9 hours
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#71 to #17 - anon (07/29/2015) [-]
New Horizons was on a ************* rocket scrub
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User avatar #9 to #6 - Waldowitharedhat (07/29/2015) [-]
The telegraph, although very right winged, is actually a credible source.

Unless it's an article about politics, you can expect it to be unbiased.
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User avatar #30 to #9 - Rockaman (07/29/2015) [-]
Telegraph very right winged? Lol wut? It's centre-right. If you want very right winged look at the Daily Mail or Star.
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User avatar #97 to #30 - Waldowitharedhat (07/29/2015) [-]
I'm not from the UK, I literally just googled "is the telegraph a credible source" and most of the results claimed it was right winged.
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#107 - anon (07/29/2015) [-]
>written by a woman

None of this is factual.
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#101 - pugsy ONLINE (07/29/2015) [-]
WAIT TILL THE MEGACORPS START SELLING MOON WATER OH BOY
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#99 - anon (07/29/2015) [-]
Prepare ship for ludicrous speed, old chap!
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#95 - anon (07/29/2015) [-]
noahlikespie I summon thee
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