Revolution or War? why not both!. . I is Revolution is when you it. i no all about da polaticks and gubberment cus i watched a moovee with natalie portman in it Revolution or War? why not both! I is when you it i no all about da polaticks and gubberment cus watched a moovee with natalie portman in
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#15 - popesoybean
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i no all about da polaticks and gubberment cus i watched a moovee with natalie portman in it
#42 to #15 - gammajk
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le epic 4chan man face
#26 - durkadurka
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#1 - schnizel
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What is the difference between a rebellion and a revolution?
What is the difference between a rebellion and a revolution?
User avatar #21 to #1 - xdeathspawnx
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I believe a revolution is on a much larger scale, with the intent of overthrowing a government specifically. a rebellion does not have to be against a government and is usually on a much smaller scale (for example, teenagers often rebel against their parents and other authority figures)
User avatar #32 to #1 - sniperfumbles
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Who won.
#41 to #32 - endospore
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Wait a minute. Who won? I thought he was on first.
User avatar #40 to #1 - puremadmentalged
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The victor
User avatar #3 to #1 - vindictivenature
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A rebellion fails, a revolution succeeds.
User avatar #7 to #3 - rynkar
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Not what Luke Skywalker would say.
User avatar #4 to #3 - schnizel
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Yes.
Why does a rebellion fail?
Why does a revolution succeed?
#6 to #4 - SirMartin
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let us get is **** Straight!

Rebelion:
1. Open, organized, and armed resistance to one's gorverment or ruler.
2. Resistance to or defiance of any authority, control, or tradition.

Revolution:
1. an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established goverment or political system by the people governed.
#31 to #6 - irishlawyer
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See, people don't realize what the word revolution is
It's a re-evolution of the government
User avatar #10 to #6 - honkan
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So, you could say the goal of a rebellion is (often) revolution?
User avatar #11 to #10 - SirMartin
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Revolution is a "sucsessfull" Rabellion
#5 - nationalanthem
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except that all revolutions have been performed by a third party and used as a tool too strip a country of its heritage through centuries...
#8 to #5 - allinthelegs [OP]
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The american revolution was by the american people, with help from france, but it was by the american people. The overthrow of the Shah in Iran was by the iranians, not a third party. The French revolution was by the Bourgoise to overthrow the king, the libyan, syrian and egyptian revolutions are all their own doing. Saying that is just proving you are either a conspiracy theorist or  a dumb person. So maybe you're a ponce, and maybe you are just particularly jaded, but dont spew ********. K thx.
The american revolution was by the american people, with help from france, but it was by the american people. The overthrow of the Shah in Iran was by the iranians, not a third party. The French revolution was by the Bourgoise to overthrow the king, the libyan, syrian and egyptian revolutions are all their own doing. Saying that is just proving you are either a conspiracy theorist or a dumb person. So maybe you're a ponce, and maybe you are just particularly jaded, but dont spew ********. K thx.
#9 to #8 - nationalanthem
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i may have exaggerated alittle bit when i said all.. im well aware that the libyan and american revolution was by the people^^ but i recommend you read "the nameless war" its available as a PDF on the internet^^ that'll probably shed some new light over things!
User avatar #23 to #8 - theguyinthemask
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History is written by the victor bro.
#33 - joethebeast
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#35 to #33 - superhoney
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#36 to #35 - joethebeast
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Qapla'!
#13 - donmakemehlaf
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Remember remember the fifth of November....
#16 to #13 - anon id: 876b124a
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you know that guy fawkes was a monster who tried to blow up innocent people right?
#91 to #16 - anon id: 07d4f7cc
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That's just because he failed.
User avatar #68 to #16 - hydraetis
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That's why the November 5th **** really confuses me. Are we supposed to be celebrating the guy or burning an effigy of him?
User avatar #75 to #68 - pseudobob **User deleted account**
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In V for Vendetta, the graphic novel, V was clearly not portrayed as a good character. He was quite obviously insane. V was fueled by hate and wanted revenge, that much was clear, and he bears more resemblance to a serial killer and terrorist than to any sort of hero. But juxtaposed with a fascist government that's basically Nazi Germany all over again but with nuclear weapons and supercomputers, he's a martyr that died for his people. Maybe for the wrong reasons.

In V for Vendetta, the movie, V is a tragic hero shaped by the evils committed to him, bent on not revenge but revolution. The people he kills are only in his way, and his real worst enemy is the social system. He died for his people and became a martyr, and in the end all his actions are forgiven by all but the bad guys (because they're bad, obviously). Its message was front and centre at the end, too, and he may have gone to Valhalla.

Believe what you want to believe, but, considering V is a fictional character and Guy Fawkes failed to do anything noteworthy, I see no reason that the date shouldn't be forgot.
User avatar #24 to #13 - dafiltafish
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****, not this again...
User avatar #37 to #24 - udungoofedup
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****, it's almost like it happens every year!
#47 to #13 - anon id: 765d13fc
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praise jesus i didn't watch that **** movie
User avatar #29 to #13 - thebestpieever
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Yeah, let's celebrate the asshole who was pissed that the Parliament was not being lead by catholic dogma and wanted to blow it up to fix that.
User avatar #30 to #29 - princessren
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to be fair
the King was kinda mean to Catholics when he said he wouldn't be
but....yeah, I am glad he failed
#80 - weirdojones
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User avatar #22 - xdeathspawnx
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Even if almost everyone supported it and a revolution was justified (which it definitely would not be) the US is much too powerful for a revolution to succeed. the only places were revolutions can succeed in this day and age are smaller, third world countries. And often these can't succeed without help from powerful countries like the US. When the American Revolution happened, almost all weapons were on the same level. The firearms citizens had access to were almost as good as the ones that the government did. Because of all of the advanced weaponry all governments have access to, a revolution would even be almost impossible even in places like Canada or Australia, which have relatively small militaries. Imagine people trying to rebel against the US military, even without the weapons and artileries we would have no chance.

tldr: a revolution is not justified and not possible, and I'm getting sick of people bringing it up over and over again.
User avatar #27 to #22 - parttimezombie
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that was the point of the constitution and 2nd amendment. for us to have the same weapons as the government. to keep it from overpowering us. now in some places you aren't even allowed to have a hand gun outside your house >.>
User avatar #28 to #27 - thebestpieever
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Please tell me which one of your neighbours you would trust an AGM to.
User avatar #94 to #28 - parttimezombie
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you would actually be surprised what weapons and vehicles people can still get. granted you have to have a lot of money, but people have tanks(usually older), 50 cal machine guns, grenade launchers, etc.
User avatar #34 to #22 - jrondeau **User deleted account**
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That's why I dislike it when people today say the second amendment is needed to allow the people to rise up against a tyrannical government. In order to rebel, you'd need to be able to beat the military because in a worst case scenario the military sides with the government, and I don't think a bunch of pissed off citizens with guns would be able to take down a military who literally had to tell manufacturers to stop making them tanks because they had too ******* many. The consequence of saying people need means to rebel is that if you actually wanted to be able to rebel against the government, you'd need to be able to own military-grade weapons, and I don't think anyone wants to allow practically anyone to just up and buy a bazooka or something.
#38 to #34 - anon id: ddfa1d72
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50-100 million people in the US own a weapon of some sort, it doesn't matter what kind of technology you have, numbers count for more than anything on the battlefield. Just look at Iraq and afghanistan, a minuscule amount of people are actively fighting against the US and allied forces and yet they've been able to keep relative control of the region for the past 50 years of foreign invasion.

That's why I dislike when people say the second amendment isn't needed for people to rise up, because more often than not people haven't actually thought the situation through.
User avatar #79 to #38 - smithforprez
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The common hunting rifle is the greatest threat an army can face in a foreign country, accurate, long ranged, cheap, reliable and powerful. And we the people own millions of the damn things and hunting is a very, very, very common hobby. Especially so in the areas that would be the most difficult to occupy because of sheer size and emptiness. Any soldier willing to kill on orders from a tyrannical govt would quickly get himself a hole through his head. But this could be avoided, what we really need is a revolution at the voting booth.
#39 to #22 - anon id: ddfa1d72
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Except most of the US military arsenal would be useless in a revolution in the urban environments that battles of today take place in, you can't just throw artillery in the middle of New York without causing SERIOUS collateral damage.
User avatar #44 to #22 - xrangerx
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Correct, also the Colonials won the Revolution only because of French intervention, undoubtedly without the French we would not of won, or at least, not in the manner we know of today.
User avatar #50 to #22 - keiishiyama
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Except only the most terrible soldiers are actually going to fight for their government against the people. All members of the Armed Forces sign an oath to protect the people; failure to do so is treason rivaled by Congress' ********* this month. They fight for country, not for the government.

We the People have more power than you think. The M1 Abrams is a terrifying and incredible piece of modern military ingenuity. It's useless without a driver.
User avatar #52 to #50 - princessren
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but what if the people are "wrong"?
what if they are a bunch of rednecks who want everyone to follow the bible or something?
User avatar #53 to #52 - keiishiyama
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Like Islamic extremists in the Middle East?

Yeah, it could happen. And it'd likely be terrible.

But you never mentioned any context at all. You just said we should let the US become a fascist police state because every single member of the Armed Forces will follow the government without question to kill dissenting citizens and because We the People have no power to stop those soldiers.
User avatar #56 to #53 - princessren
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...I said that?
I was just saying just because the people revolt doesn't mean they are "justified" or "in the right"
so...that really wouldn't make the soldiers terrible if they don't back the people
User avatar #58 to #56 - keiishiyama
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We may be the dumbest first world state, but we're not stupid. No average American wants or expects a theocratic government run by guntoting flannel warriors from southern Arkansas. You underestimate (or I overestimate; Christ, I hope not) the power of the people and of the soldiers who protect them. We don't make huge changes over every minute disagreement; the one time we've ever truly divided against each other was when slavery was a thing. But our government is corrupt, unconstitutional, and blatantly ignoring what the people want. We have the right to create a government that will respond to us like these assholes won't.
#60 to #58 - princessren
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I think you are putting words in my mouth   
I am just saying
I think you are putting words in my mouth
I am just saying
User avatar #61 to #60 - keiishiyama
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Well, I'm trying to say that a second revolution is NOT going to come because the South wants God for President. We the People do have reasons right now to want to revolt against the government; a lot of ********* don't care, but our government is violating the Constitution via NSA and making the country as a whole look like **** for it. We're not being represented by Congress because corporations with infinite wealth can lobby day in and day out.

So any reason the American people decide to use if/when they rise up against the government will, I assure you, be VERY well justified, and true Americans in the Armed Forces would join us.

Maybe I'm the minority, but since I'm living in the land of the free, a constitutional republic, I'd like to have my voice and opinions heard by the people who are supposed to listen to ME, an INDIVIDUAL, without having to invade my privacy to do it.
User avatar #62 to #61 - princessren
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so...are you just gonna sit on the internet and talk about it?
or are you actually gonna do something?
User avatar #64 to #62 - keiishiyama
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There's nothing I can do about it yet save talk about it, tell other people what I think and have it spread like that. Another friend of mine has been doing this on Facebook for quite a while, and I've been joining him. But I've been 18 for 15 days, and I'm a college freshman; no one gives a **** about what I have to say right now, so I have no influence.

When I can make a difference, you're damn right I will do something.
User avatar #65 to #64 - princessren
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kk
User avatar #25 to #22 - durkadurka
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You assume that all military personnel would obey the government.
User avatar #51 to #25 - hachigomo
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You would need a REALLY good reason for them to revolt as well. NSA big brother really isn't enough to make people care.
User avatar #57 to #51 - durkadurka
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It seems like it would take a lot to get anyone to actually consider any sort of armed revolution (which is a good thing).

I just don't think the military would be willing to shoot civilians if things ever got to that point. Look at what happened with the Russian Revolution.
User avatar #54 to #22 - thebannedzombie
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Have you ever heard of guerrilla warfare? You don't form up a line and stand in the middle of a field during a revolution, you plant mines on roads and take potshots at marching soldiers out of windows. If the majority of the citizens supported a revolution, it would succeed, simply because our government is incapable of the mass genocide required to quell such a force.
User avatar #89 to #54 - smithforprez
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Not many of our soldiers would stoop to that, even if it was ordered.
User avatar #59 to #54 - xdeathspawnx
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have you ever heard of drone strikes. someone hundreds of miles away pilots a plane on a computer. They fly at extremely high altitudes extremely fast and then fire missiles at the ground. You're already dead by the the you would have the chance to even see or hear it. And that's just the **** they let us know about. They kept the stealth bomber a secret for years before anyone found out about it. The helicopters they used to get to osama bin laden were also classified technology.
User avatar #63 to #59 - thebannedzombie
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... You must have a very low opinion of the armed forces if you believe that the soldiers would go along with dropping bombs on American cities. They aren't monsters and nearly all of them have families. Also, that's the best way to turn %100 of the population against the government, and they would lose all of what little support they had left. You also seem to ignore the possibility of parts of the armed forces supporting each side (as happened in both the revolutionary war and the civil war).

There are 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the US, and approximately 300 million citizens. Short of killing every single person that owns a gun, they could not win. Do you really believe our government is capable of murder on that scale? Do you really believe those guys you went to highschool with who enlisted in the army are going to kick down your door in the middle of the night and kill you?
User avatar #71 to #63 - xdeathspawnx
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I think that any attempt at rebellion would be squashed almost instantly, before soldiers have a chance to question whether what they are doing is right or wrong. The government would do its best to send the message that they are the ones with power, to try and make everyone to afraid to fight back. You are acting like this is all going to happen overnight, and that everyone will instantly support the cause.

Basically I think that in the environment we live in, some terrible things would have to happen before people would be willing to die for a rebellion, and that it would still take a couple of months to a year to get it actually started, by which time the government will have already stopped it, sending a message to everyone else in the country.

right now our country can't agree on anything, so I have no idea why anyone would think that everyone would be willing to support a rebellion. Half of the country would probably still support the old, broken way of doing things no matter how bad they are, because people fear change. In the back of their mind they would always be wondering if things could end up worse after a rebellion
#66 to #22 - swagbot
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Heh....

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong... wrong....

1) Revolution in the U.S. is completely justifiable. Almost the entire bloated Federal Government is illegal, not to mention the spying, indefinite detention, groping, checkpoints, raids and arrests on journalists, assassinations for of U.S. citizens and foreigners, interventions in other countries' affairs by the CIA/NSA/military. The list is almost inexhaustible, and grows every day.

2) The people perpetrating the illegal acts above have only misdirection as their primary tool of defense. If the populace wakes up and that goes away, they will have a few hundred-thousand Jackboots from the DHS and other Federal agencies, and some True Believers from the military, but that's it. Anti-Federal sentiment in the Military is HUGE nowadays by many accounts. Add that to the BILLIONS of rounds of ammo and MILLIONS of pissed-off and already-awake American Civilians, and yeah... a violent overthrow would almost certainly end in a Constitutionalists' Victory.
#72 - lordhaha
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meanwhile at the progressive HQ
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